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Printabledatdude said: Seven? Seven Even? Dumb spelling, confusing. Can't get excited unless Mike can assure us of no more "media songs" (Privacy, Leave Me Alone etc.), no more "fright songs" (Threatened, Thriller), no more obligatory rock-pop Beat It sequels featuring Slash (or whomever the "hot guitarist" of the day is) and definitely no more epic save the world/children songs. this formula is tired; surrounded by 2-3 overproduced uptempo songs by the "it" hip-hop/R&B producers of the moment. MJ needs more creative song writing and great vocals like on Whatever Happens and Butterflies and a mature producer who will make a cohesive album, not a couple of "hit singles"
Exactly.MJ needs to stop using the same strategy with each album! Try something entirely different for once!! Instead of using a bunch of flavor-of-the-moment producers,he should enter the studio with *ONE* unknown producer that no one has ever heard of before.Lock themselves in the studio for two weeks and come up with something truly edgy and unique....something that doesn't sound like everything else on the radio.If he would travel the world,visit different nightclubs in different countries,meet some new people and listen to demos from up-and-coming producers,the results could be really interesting! As it stands right now,he's making 'Invincible Part 2' 
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SoulAlive said: datdude said: Seven? Seven Even? Dumb spelling, confusing. Can't get excited unless Mike can assure us of no more "media songs" (Privacy, Leave Me Alone etc.), no more "fright songs" (Threatened, Thriller), no more obligatory rock-pop Beat It sequels featuring Slash (or whomever the "hot guitarist" of the day is) and definitely no more epic save the world/children songs. this formula is tired; surrounded by 2-3 overproduced uptempo songs by the "it" hip-hop/R&B producers of the moment. MJ needs more creative song writing and great vocals like on Whatever Happens and Butterflies and a mature producer who will make a cohesive album, not a couple of "hit singles"
Exactly.MJ needs to stop using the same strategy with each album! Try something entirely different for once!! Instead of using a bunch of flavor-of-the-moment producers,he should enter the studio with *ONE* unknown producer that no one has ever heard of before.Lock themselves in the studio for two weeks and come up with something truly edgy and unique....something that doesn't sound like everything else on the radio.If he would travel the world,visit different nightclubs in different countries,meet some new people and listen to demos from up-and-coming producers,the results could be really interesting! As it stands right now,he's making 'Invincible Part 2'
... [Edited 5/15/07 7:14am] I wouldn't mind "Invincible Part II", if only for songs such as "Butterflies", "Break of Dawn",YRMW,"Heaven Can Wait"and "Whatever Happens". All are great songs; almost half of the album. I still ascertain that if all of the negativity had not been surrounding the album,and that if the promotion had been as it should have been with videos, singles,etc. no one would be fussing about Invincible. R&B radio carried that album by ignoring the media and playing the hell of of the first four ballads that I mentioned. People also bought the album on word-of-mouth. I haven't seen non-fans buy a MJ album like that in a long time.People liked it that much. Hopefully, Michael does NOT come up with a dance-electronica sound for his album.I absolutly abhor that type of music. It will not work with US audiences. He shouldn't depend on POP radio because they are basically full of shit;especially in the US. They lie and say that no one wants to hear his music, even when it is requested. The point being that no one wants to hear the crap that they play on radio now;but,they play it anyway. The media and others claim that Invincible was a failure when it sold over 2.3 million albums in the US in less than a year and 10-13 million worldwide. What other peers of Michael have done the same? Even those who have been on non-stop tours, given away free albums with concert tickets, performed on every show and venue possible, had non-stop positive media reaction have come close to MJ's success with Invincible. Michael has always been the one to start "trends". People seem to forget that when they say that he is latching onto whatever is popular at the moment. Pharrel has said many times that the entire time that he was working with Justin on his first solo album,they were trying to get Michael's "sound". Michael set the bar that everyone else achieves for. Unfortunately, everyone EXPECTS for MJ to surpass that bar every single time. That expectation is not put on any other artist. For those that say that MJ fans are whining or overly sensitive, I say if the double standards weren't so blatantly obvious,we wouldn't have to fuss,debate or "whine"(if that's what people want to call it). | |
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I agree that invincible was awesome though I could do without some of the tracks. If the tracks you mentioned plus the newer tracks done on the ultimate collection is the direction he's going in, he's totally on the right track because the melodies are there and the music is on point | |
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CHIC0 said: Graycap23 said: Based on that list of producers it's going 2 take 7 minutes 4 me 2 throw that cd in the trash can.
 I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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skyecute said: SoulAlive said: Exactly.MJ needs to stop using the same strategy with each album! Try something entirely different for once!! Instead of using a bunch of flavor-of-the-moment producers,he should enter the studio with *ONE* unknown producer that no one has ever heard of before.Lock themselves in the studio for two weeks and come up with something truly edgy and unique....something that doesn't sound like everything else on the radio.If he would travel the world,visit different nightclubs in different countries,meet some new people and listen to demos from up-and-coming producers,the results could be really interesting! As it stands right now,he's making 'Invincible Part 2'
... [Edited 5/15/07 7:14am] I wouldn't mind "Invincible Part II", if only for songs such as "Butterflies", "Break of Dawn",YRMW,"Heaven Can Wait"and "Whatever Happens". All are great songs; almost half of the album. I still ascertain that if all of the negativity had not been surrounding the album,and that if the promotion had been as it should have been with videos, singles,etc. no one would be fussing about Invincible. R&B radio carried that album by ignoring the media and playing the hell of of the first four ballads that I mentioned. People also bought the album on word-of-mouth. I haven't seen non-fans buy a MJ album like that in a long time.People liked it that much. Hopefully, Michael does NOT come up with a dance-electronica sound for his album.I absolutly abhor that type of music. It will not work with US audiences. He shouldn't depend on POP radio because they are basically full of shit;especially in the US. They lie and say that no one wants to hear his music, even when it is requested. The point being that no one wants to hear the crap that they play on radio now;but,they play it anyway. The media and others claim that Invincible was a failure when it sold over 2.3 million albums in the US in less than a year and 10-13 million worldwide. What other peers of Michael have done the same? Even those who have been on non-stop tours, given away free albums with concert tickets, performed on every show and venue possible, had non-stop positive media reaction have come close to MJ's success with Invincible. Michael has always been the one to start "trends". People seem to forget that when they say that he is latching onto whatever is popular at the moment. Pharrel has said many times that the entire time that he was working with Justin on his first solo album,they were trying to get Michael's "sound". Michael set the bar that everyone else achieves for. Unfortunately, everyone EXPECTS for MJ to surpass that bar every single time. That expectation is not put on any other artist. For those that say that MJ fans are whining or overly sensitive, I say if the double standards weren't so blatantly obvious,we wouldn't have to fuss,debate or "whine"(if that's what people want to call it). He use to set trends, not anymore. I can't exactly see want trends he was setting with Bad, Dangerous and History. People tend to be inspired most by his earlier work. | |
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whatsgoingon said: dag said: I have to agree with you on that one. You Are My Life, Speechless are the sappiest songs ever. It´s too sweet even for me. But I think that Earth song is a masterpiece. I do love his ballads, but the more dramatical ones like Stranger in Moscow, Smile, Little Susie and others. Also the "sexy ones" are cool, like Break of dawn, Heaven can wait etc. And as you said earlier, I don´t think it´s him trying to be mainstream. MJ has always loved melodies and they are very attractive to ppl. A great melody always gets you. And I don´t think it´s him that much trying to portray some sort of image. He´ll always sing about healing the world and the kids cause he really believes that. I don´t think it´s a pose. I think that up till Dangerous his music were more about him telling certains stories, but since History, he´s become more personal. BTW, I was so pleased today. The kids that I played Heal the World to, were asking me in the hall, if we were going to listen to MJ again. I think I´m gonna turn the whole class into his fans soon.  But there are ballads and there is plain sappy. She's Out of My Life, Lady in My Life and I can't Help it are all wonderful ballads, that are not necessarily sappy. But MJ has gone from those kind of ballads to disney sappyness, that is the difference and I do believe the type of sappy songs he has been doin in the last 16 yrs is tied up with his PeterPan image that he is always trying to convey. For me, his sappyness on the Invincible had more to do with him being a father than anything else. I just noticed him being so relaxed since than (not, of course, during the trial). I mean History was so aggressive because he had a lot to say after the first allegations. That´s how I see it. I think Speechless, You are my life and other songs are mostly about his kids, that´s why they are so sappy. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: whatsgoingon said: But there are ballads and there is plain sappy. She's Out of My Life, Lady in My Life and I can't Help it are all wonderful ballads, that are not necessarily sappy. But MJ has gone from those kind of ballads to disney sappyness, that is the difference and I do believe the type of sappy songs he has been doin in the last 16 yrs is tied up with his PeterPan image that he is always trying to convey. For me, his sappyness on the Invincible had more to do with him being a father than anything else. I just noticed him being so relaxed since than (not, of course, during the trial). I mean History was so aggressive because he had a lot to say after the first allegations. That´s how I see it. I think Speechless, You are my life and other songs are mostly about his kids, that´s why they are so sappy. The sappyness started long before Vince and long before he had children. It started in earnest with Dangerous and continued from there. The sappiness is more to do with his PeterPan image. He has acquired the PeterPan look and why not deliver the PeterPan songs to go with it. I mean can you imagine him during the late 70s and early 80s doing all those sappy songs. I can't even imagine him doing such songs when he was 12, but then again at the age of 12 he wanted to be seen as a soul brotha, not Pete Pan. | |
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whatsgoingon said: dag said: For me, his sappyness on the Invincible had more to do with him being a father than anything else. I just noticed him being so relaxed since than (not, of course, during the trial). I mean History was so aggressive because he had a lot to say after the first allegations. That´s how I see it. I think Speechless, You are my life and other songs are mostly about his kids, that´s why they are so sappy. The sappyness started long before Vince and long before he had children. It started in earnest with Dangerous and continued from there. The sappiness is more to do with his PeterPan image. He has acquired the PeterPan look and why not deliver the PeterPan songs to go with it. I mean can you imagine him during the late 70s and early 80s doing all those sappy songs. I can't even imagine him doing such songs when he was 12, but then again at the age of 12 he wanted to be seen as a soul brotha, not Pete Pan.Well, We are the world is sappy as well. It´s not a 70´s song, but still. I don´t know. I just don´t connect his music with the Peter Pan image. I can see that Peter pan image in him as a person(ality), but not in his music. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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whatsgoingon said: dag said: For me, his sappyness on the Invincible had more to do with him being a father than anything else. I just noticed him being so relaxed since than (not, of course, during the trial). I mean History was so aggressive because he had a lot to say after the first allegations. That´s how I see it. I think Speechless, You are my life and other songs are mostly about his kids, that´s why they are so sappy. The sappyness started long before Vince and long before he had children. It started in earnest with Dangerous and continued from there. The sappiness is more to do with his PeterPan image. He has acquired the PeterPan look and why not deliver the PeterPan songs to go with it. I mean can you imagine him during the late 70s and early 80s doing all those sappy songs. I can't even imagine him doing such songs when he was 12, but then again at the age of 12 he wanted to be seen as a soul brotha, not Pete Pan.LOL @ sappyness.
I think it started with the commercial success of "We Are The World" and Mike's been trying to milk that cow for all she's worth. Dude's been following these same type of formulas for decades, e.g a rock number, a women-are-so-evil number, a boo-hoo-woe-is-me number ("Blues Away from 1976 and "That's What You get For Being Polite from 1978, etc. etc) a we-are-the-world so lets-start-with-the-man-in-the-mirror and im-bad-and-rough-and-tough.  Give it a rest man.I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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Adisa said: whatsgoingon said: The sappyness started long before Vince and long before he had children. It started in earnest with Dangerous and continued from there. The sappiness is more to do with his PeterPan image. He has acquired the PeterPan look and why not deliver the PeterPan songs to go with it. I mean can you imagine him during the late 70s and early 80s doing all those sappy songs. I can't even imagine him doing such songs when he was 12, but then again at the age of 12 he wanted to be seen as a soul brotha, not Pete Pan.LOL @ sappyness.
I think it started with the commercial success of "We Are The World" and Mike's been trying to milk that cow for all she's worth. Dude's been following these same type of formulas for decades, e.g a rock number, a women-are-so-evil number, a boo-hoo-woe-is-me number ("Blues Away from 1976 and "That's What You get For Being Polite from 1978, etc. etc) a we-are-the-world so lets-start-with-the-man-in-the-mirror and im-bad-and-rough-and-tough. Give it a rest man.I don't think it is the themes that are the problem, it's more of the delivery. As you said "Blues Away" and "That's what you get for being polite" are biographies in a way about his own depression and frustration, but compare the way he delivers those songs with something like "Childhood", completely different.  I actually use to hear "Blues Away" on Jazz FM, whereas "Childhood" belongs on some sappy, disney cartoon film. It's almost like when he decided to turn himself into a cartoon he decided to sing songs exclusively for disney cartoons too. | |
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THE SAPPY HAS TO GO
"Childhood" and "Lost Children" could have been outtakes from Pocohontas and Aladdin. You can imagine MJ in the studio with his wide-eyed enthusiam singing about "pirates and sorcerer's dreams" or whatever he gushes about. Straight outta Andrew Lloyd Webber's behind I tells ya. 
whatsgoingon said: I don't think it is the themes that are the problem, it's more of the delivery. As you said "Blues Away" and "That's what you get for being polite" are biographies in a way about his own depression and frustration, but compare the way he delivers those songs with something like "Childhood", completely different. I actually use to hear "Blues Away" on Jazz FM, whereas "Childhood" belongs on some sappy, disney cartoon film. It's almost like when he decided to turn himself into a cartoon he decided to sing songs exclusively for disney cartoons too. | |
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I don´t have a problem with the way Childhood and other songs are. I like some of them better some of them less, but hey that´s the matter of taste.
I am glad he changes styles though. If he stayed with the styles he did in the 70´s/80´s, you´d say, he´s all the same. It would be boring. To me, he´s found the perfect balance between keeping his own fingerprint as well as trying some new stuff. He doesn´t change too much to the extend that you would not know what to expect from him and he hasn´t stayed the same and become boring. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: I don´t have a problem with the way Childhood and other songs are. I like some of them better some of them less, but hey that´s the matter of taste.
I am glad he changes styles though. If he stayed with the styles he did in the 70´s/80´s, you´d say, he´s all the same. It would be boring. To me, he´s found the perfect balance between keeping his own fingerprint as well as trying some new stuff. He doesn´t change too much to the extend that you would not know what to expect from him and he hasn´t stayed the same and become boring. No one expects to do the same styles as he was doing 25 years ago, but I don't expect him to be sounding more childish and sappy than he did when he was 11, that not evolving that's like going backward. Michael in his 40s should be sounding more sophsticated and classy regardless of the genre he chooses to embrace. | |
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whatsgoingon said: dag said: I don´t have a problem with the way Childhood and other songs are. I like some of them better some of them less, but hey that´s the matter of taste.
I am glad he changes styles though. If he stayed with the styles he did in the 70´s/80´s, you´d say, he´s all the same. It would be boring. To me, he´s found the perfect balance between keeping his own fingerprint as well as trying some new stuff. He doesn´t change too much to the extend that you would not know what to expect from him and he hasn´t stayed the same and become boring. No one expects to do the same styles as he was doing 25 years ago, but I don't expect him to be sounding more childish and sappy than he did when he was 11, that not evolving that's like going backward. Michael in his 40s should be sounding more sophsticated and classy regardless of the genre he chooses to embrace. well, that´s just the site that we, the public, will never understand. I am not saying I am that way, but I respect this child-like quality about him and find it cute actually. I am not sure what you mean exactly by sophisticated and classy. To me, MJ´s always been classy. Never fell low into trying to get the attention by being rude. Anyway I think that a human being can´t get any higher than to the point of really "wanting to save the world". That´s what a lot of ppl were admired for the most in history (mother Theresa etc. - not that I claim that he is Mother Theresa). But Lennon and others were also admired for it, if I am not mistaken. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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whatsgoingon said: skyecute said: I wouldn't mind "Invincible Part II", if only for songs such as "Butterflies", "Break of Dawn",YRMW,"Heaven Can Wait"and "Whatever Happens". All are great songs; almost half of the album. I still ascertain that if all of the negativity had not been surrounding the album,and that if the promotion had been as it should have been with videos, singles,etc. no one would be fussing about Invincible. R&B radio carried that album by ignoring the media and playing the hell of of the first four ballads that I mentioned. People also bought the album on word-of-mouth. I haven't seen non-fans buy a MJ album like that in a long time.People liked it that much. Hopefully, Michael does NOT come up with a dance-electronica sound for his album.I absolutly abhor that type of music. It will not work with US audiences. He shouldn't depend on POP radio because they are basically full of shit;especially in the US. They lie and say that no one wants to hear his music, even when it is requested. The point being that no one wants to hear the crap that they play on radio now;but,they play it anyway. The media and others claim that Invincible was a failure when it sold over 2.3 million albums in the US in less than a year and 10-13 million worldwide. What other peers of Michael have done the same? Even those who have been on non-stop tours, given away free albums with concert tickets, performed on every show and venue possible, had non-stop positive media reaction have come close to MJ's success with Invincible. Michael has always been the one to start "trends". People seem to forget that when they say that he is latching onto whatever is popular at the moment. Pharrel has said many times that the entire time that he was working with Justin on his first solo album,they were trying to get Michael's "sound". Michael set the bar that everyone else achieves for. Unfortunately, everyone EXPECTS for MJ to surpass that bar every single time. That expectation is not put on any other artist. For those that say that MJ fans are whining or overly sensitive, I say if the double standards weren't so blatantly obvious,we wouldn't have to fuss,debate or "whine"(if that's what people want to call it). He use to set trends, not anymore. I can't exactly see want trends he was setting with Bad, Dangerous and History. People tend to be inspired most by his earlier work. That's just the point. Michael has ALREADY set the trends that everyone else in POPular music is trying to repeat. MJ doesn't have to set trends anymore, he has already done more than any other artist in that respect. Michael's career is what all other artists seek to attain. He doesn't have to prove anything anymore, he has already done it all. All he has to be is himself, which he has always done. Whether he uses one collborater/producer or many, Michael's style, influence, charisma and musicality will shine through. He makes everything that he records, sings, or performs his OWN. That's what makes him so great. | |
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whatsgoingon said: No one expects to do the same styles as he was doing 25 years ago, but I don't expect him to be sounding more childish and sappy than he did when he was 11, that not evolving that's like going backward. Michael in his 40s should be sounding more sophsticated and classy regardless of the genre he chooses to embrace.
Well those are the type of things MJ likes to sing about. I am not a big fan of all those sappy songs he sings either but that's what he likes. At the end of the day, MJ is gonna sing what MJ wants to sing about regardless and if he chooses to include those disney type songs on the new album there's nothing anyone can do about it (unfortunately )."And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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I'd like to see him revive New Jack Swing. Take that mofo into the 21st century.  I'm afraid of Americans. I'm afraid of the world. | |
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missfee said:  i'm trying to decide if i should even care about this or not.Graycap23 said: Based on that list of producers it's going 2 take 7 minutes 4 me 2 throw that cd in the trash can.
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Every Michael Jackson album has been near perfect, and his next will be no exception. Michael Jackson never puts out a poor album.
Invincible was better than Dangerous. Invincible was easily the best album to come out in 2001. The fact that Invincible was successfully portrayed as a failure clearly illustrates the media's power to brainwash the populice. It also shows how the media message can be purchased (by those determined to ruin Michael). How else could a multi-platinum album be portrayed as a failure?!? Unless there are major developments in the music industry in the coming decades, there will never be another record that sells like Thriller. Just because Michael Jackson can't top his own record does not make him a failure. No one ever questions the absurdity of the media's portrayal of all things related to Michael Jackson simply due to the fact that he looks different, or "weird". It is sad to see a society so easily manipulated by the use of imagery. Michael Jackson is a perfect performer and a legend. No one can take that away, or make MJ a thing of the past, not even the media, though they will persist in attempting to do so. | |
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Eloquently put. Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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spacedolphin said: I'd like to see him revive New Jack Swing. Take that mofo into the 21st century.
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vanity2 said: Every Michael Jackson album has been near perfect, and his next will be no exception. Michael Jackson never puts out a poor album.
Invincible was better than Dangerous. Invincible was easily the best album to come out in 2001. The fact that Invincible was successfully portrayed as a failure clearly illustrates the media's power to brainwash the populice. It also shows how the media message can be purchased (by those determined to ruin Michael). How else could a multi-platinum album be portrayed as a failure?!? Unless there are major developments in the music industry in the coming decades, there will never be another record that sells like Thriller. Just because Michael Jackson can't top his own record does not make him a failure. No one ever questions the absurdity of the media's portrayal of all things related to Michael Jackson simply due to the fact that he looks different, or "weird". It is sad to see a society so easily manipulated by the use of imagery. Michael Jackson is a perfect performer and a legend. No one can take that away, or make MJ a thing of the past, not even the media, though they will persist in attempting to do so. The fans do, but they are seen as lunatics for that. Anyways, this´s gotta be the post of 2007! [Edited 5/17/07 6:53am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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But there are ballads and there is plain sappy. She's Out of My Life, Lady in My Life and I can't Help it are all wonderful ballads, that are not necessarily sappy. But MJ has gone from those kind of ballads to disney sappyness, that is the difference and I do believe the type of sappy songs he has been doin in the last 16 yrs is tied up with his PeterPan image that he is always trying to convey.
16 years? More like 25. Michael has been talking about Peter Pan since 1983, with his llamas, Bubbles, saying the word 'magic' fiftyleven times and shit. Strangely, no one thought it was weird than  But he had just made Thriller so I guess it was okay 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EZnrxk-dpVA http://youtube.com/watch?v=yg2ILcrqyQA http://youtube.com/watch?v=5F1es_ckoYY When he tells La Toya "you know, your voice is very irritating" I think that has to be the most observant thing he's ever said. Maybe one day I can find an interview where he tells Jermaine that he needs to let go of the high-top finger wave jheri curl concoction on the top of his head for the last two decades. The sappyness started long before Vince and long before he had children. It started in earnest with Dangerous and continued from there. The sappiness is more to do with his PeterPan image. He has acquired the PeterPan look and why not deliver the PeterPan songs to go with it. lol I mean can you imagine him during the late 70s and early 80s doing all those sappy songs. I can't even imagine him doing such songs when he was 12, but then again at the age of 12 he wanted to be seen as a soul brotha, not Pete Pan.
Singing a love song about your befriended rat is not exactly soul brotha #1 GOOD-GOD! to me. a women-are-so-evil number
Well thats what he gets for messing with White women, lmao. Let me be quiet. "Childhood" and "Lost Children" could have been outtakes from Pocohontas and Aladdin. You can imagine MJ in the studio with his wide-eyed enthusiam singing about "pirates and sorcerer's dreams" or whatever he gushes about. Straight outta Andrew Lloyd Webber's behind I tells ya. no no no!
Maybe they should get Mike for the upcoming Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack. Yo-ho...a pirates life for me. HOO! Speaking of POTC and Johnny Depp, Willa Wonka and the Chocolate Factory was an uber-biopic on Michael Jackson. Either that or Ronald Dahl has physic foreshadowing story telling in the 70s... [Edited 5/19/07 13:13pm] [Edited 5/19/07 13:14pm] White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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Invincible could've been SO MUCH better. Remove Heartbreaker, the title track, Privacy, You Are My Life, Cry, The Lost Children, and Threatened. Strip down the production on Unbreakable and add Fall Again and The Way You Love Me, you have a way better album.
Bad doesn't sound like anything from 1987. I think his method is take what other people are doing.....and PERFECT it, while adding the Jackson vibe "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Bad doesn't sound like anything from 1987. I think his method is take what other people are doing.....and PERFECT it, while adding the Jackson vibe
Thats so true. He elevates anything he is inspired by significantly. Kind of like Whitney and Mariah's habit of remaking people's songs and singing it better than the original. I'd cut a bitch if that happened to me. White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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Back then everyone was starting with the syths and keyboards, so he and Quincy went in and perfected it "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Singing a love song about your befriended rat is not exactly soul brotha #1 GOOD-GOD! to me.
Oh please, he was 13 then, plus the song was written for him. I don't expect a 13 yr old to be singing songs like "Sexual Healing". But all in all he has probably sang far more songs like "Ben" since he turnt 30(which was almost 20 yrs ago)than he did when he was 13. Plus at least with Ben the concept of the song was unusual. It wasn't the same old Save the World/Save the children type of songs that he has been singing for the last 20 yrs.And considering what he has been accuse of twice over, I the childhood type of songs just sound sinister as well as sappy now...
And true, he may have been going on about "Magic" and "Peter Pan" in 1983, but at least he didn't look like Peter Pan ....yet. And the album Bad IMO has been MJ most mainstream album to date, I don't hear Anything original or unique about that allbum it also sounds the most dated. [Edited 5/19/07 23:28pm] | |
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whatsgoingon said: And the album Bad IMO has been MJ most mainstream album to date, I don't hear Anything original or unique about that allbum it also sounds the most dated. It's dated. But Speed Demon is unique, it's a shit song though. Smooth Criminal is that shit though, not exactly mainstream, it's a showtune with flavor, the video also helped to. | |
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lilgish said: whatsgoingon said: And the album Bad IMO has been MJ most mainstream album to date, I don't hear Anything original or unique about that allbum it also sounds the most dated. It's dated. But Speed Demon is unique, it's a shit song though. Smooth Criminal is that shit though, not exactly mainstream, it's a showtune with flavor, the video also helped to. Speed Demon is the worst song on there imo. As for Smooth Criminal it is the video that made the song. That's another problem with Michael he started to make music for video as opposed making music to listen to. It's the reason why alot his music don't have melody anymore. Most of his music post Thriller can't even be dance to anymore, unless you want to try and impersonate his videos on the dance floor, which is not always a good idea. I have never gone to a club, especially urban clubs and they have played anything post Thriller. They would play things from the Destiny album, the Truimph album, even The Jacksons, Off The Wall but nothing from Bad onwards. | |
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