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Thread started 03/27/07 11:07am

NWF

CAMEO

This thread is dedicated to one of the baddest Funk bands of the 70's and 80's (as well as all time). I remember that thread a while back about favorite albums by them and I started this long drawn-out debate about which era of Cameo was the most important. I said that they really found their sound and identity when they started moving into Synth-Funk and codpieces. giggle I believe that began with the "She's Strange" album. Or maybe it was "Style". I got some heat for that however because I also said that before their move into the mainstream, they were just another Funk band that sounded like second-rate versions of their contemporaries (P-Funk, EWF, Ohio Players, etc.). I'm kinda worng about that since upon further listening I'd say they really found themselves when they released "Cameosis". But that's neither here nor there.

Anyways, this band has been my lastest flame for the past 4 months, and since there's no major sites devoted to them, I have a few unanswered questions: What are the details of bassist Michael Burnett's recent death? Will their records be remasted and re-released? What's the story with Wayne Cooper? (who was an amazing falsetto singer, even better than dare I say, Prince); Why is "Alligator Woman" the most popular among fans? Is Larry Blackmon really crazy? lol Will there be another tour this year (a 30-year retrospect would be quite nice actually)? What's this I'm hearing about the "Cameo Collective" concert coming up in Minneapolis? How funky is "I Just Want To Be"? What was up with that codpiece? lol Will there be a new Cameo album? What was with the numerous line-up changes? What's this rumor I heard about the band performing on the soundtrack to the upcoming "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" movie?.....and so forth and so on.

With all that said, Cameo is the funky ass truth! headbang
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
Reply #1 posted 03/27/07 11:29am

Stymie

I love Cameo, particularly the songs Use It or Lose It, Freaky Dancing, I Never Knew, Back and Forth, I Just Wanna Be and Attack Me With Your Love.

Mr. Burnett had a heart attack. Mr. Cooper passed away over twenty years ago from complications of AIDS.
Reply #2 posted 03/27/07 11:39am

wonder505

I love Cameo! They represent a special part in music history for me. I remember when I first got into Prince around the Purple Rain days, that Cameo was really big for me too. Those were the days of great music. Not this crap today. My favorites will always be She's Strange, Back and Forth and Single Life-which I used to play to death. cool
Reply #3 posted 03/27/07 12:01pm

psychodelicide

I love Cameo! Their song, "Single Life" is my theme song; I totally dig that tune. music
Reply #4 posted 03/27/07 12:20pm

NWF

wonder505 said:

I love Cameo! They represent a special part in music history for me. I remember when I first got into Prince around the Purple Rain days, that Cameo was really big for me too. Those were the days of great music. Not this crap today. My favorites will always be She's Strange, Back and Forth and Single Life-which I used to play to death. cool


Hell yeah. That was when I was into them. I might've only been in pre-school, but I remember those tunes very vividly.

And for some reason I always associate my memory of hearing "Single Life" with my love for animal crackers. lol
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
Reply #5 posted 03/27/07 12:21pm

Militant

moderator

Cameo are one of my favorite bands of all time. I recently got a hold of a CD containing all the extended 12" mixes of their tracks - excellent!
Reply #6 posted 03/27/07 12:32pm

NWF

Oh yeah, and have there been any books written about Cameo?
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
Reply #7 posted 03/27/07 12:39pm

theAudience

Back and Forth
(one of the tunes I spun on the way to work today)


tA

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Reply #8 posted 03/27/07 1:06pm

NWF

Hells yeah. I remember when Cameo was all over the radio here in NYC (especially in the 'hood where I was raised).

And I wonder if they were the first guys to sport high-top fades. hmmm I figured they kinda set that trend for all brothers to follow in the years to come.
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
Reply #9 posted 03/27/07 1:18pm

Adisa

Last month my sister called me and asked me if they were gay. shrug I asked why and she told me about the "Shake Your Pants" video.


falloff

Anyway...Cameo rocks!!
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
Reply #10 posted 03/27/07 1:28pm

CoolMF

NWF said:

This thread is dedicated to one of the baddest Funk bands of the 70's and 80's (as well as all time). I remember that thread a while back about favorite albums by them and I started this long drawn-out debate about which era of Cameo was the most important. I said that they really found their sound and identity when they started moving into Synth-Funk and codpieces. giggle I believe that began with the "She's Strange" album. Or maybe it was "Style". I got some heat for that however because I also said that before their move into the mainstream, they were just another Funk band that sounded like second-rate versions of their contemporaries (P-Funk, EWF, Ohio Players, etc.). I'm kinda worng about that since upon further listening I'd say they really found themselves when they released "Cameosis". But that's neither here nor there.

Anyways, this band has been my lastest flame for the past 4 months, and since there's no major sites devoted to them, I have a few unanswered questions: What are the details of bassist Michael Burnett's recent death? Will their records be remasted and re-released? What's the story with Wayne Cooper? (who was an amazing falsetto singer, even better than dare I say, Prince); Why is "Alligator Woman" the most popular among fans? Is Larry Blackmon really crazy? lol Will there be another tour this year (a 30-year retrospect would be quite nice actually)? What's this I'm hearing about the "Cameo Collective" concert coming up in Minneapolis? How funky is "I Just Want To Be"? What was up with that codpiece? lol Will there be a new Cameo album? What was with the numerous line-up changes? What's this rumor I heard about the band performing on the soundtrack to the upcoming "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" movie?.....and so forth and so on.

With all that said, Cameo is the funky ass truth! headbang




Can't speak for others, but Alligator Woman is one of my favorites because it rocks and funks at the same time and is simply a bad tune. Lyrically, like much of Cameo's catalogue, Alligator Woman makes being p---y whipped over a girl sound macho and cool.
Reply #11 posted 03/28/07 12:38am

funkpill

Funk !! Funk!! headbang


biggrin
Reply #12 posted 03/28/07 12:44am

SoulAlive

Cameo is quite popular on this site lol We always have a Cameo thread every few weeks.These guys have so many kickass jams! I can't even pick a favorite song.Currently,my favorite song is "Freaky Dancing",it gives me fond memories of the summer of '81...

in order to move like this
you've got to have confidence!


worship
Reply #13 posted 03/28/07 1:50am

FuNkeNsteiN

Cameo was at its finest when they still had all those cats around and before they started doing all that synth stuff...
Anyway, paying all those musicians and paying for the massive load of stage props they had around for their tours cost a lot of money, so Mr. Blackmon decided it was time to fire some people so they could actually start making money. Hence the three-man Cameo was born. I think getting rid of Wayne Cooper was incredibly stupid. The man has one of the most beautiful falsettos ever. He died of AIDS sad

My fav Cameo album is...


My fav tracks include:
Find My Way
We're Goin' Out Tonight
Why Have I Lost You
We All Know Who We Are
Shake Your Pants
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Reply #14 posted 03/28/07 6:24am

NWF

Yes, and only now I've realized that Wayne Cooper was an amazing falsetto vocalist that could put Prince and Phillip Bailey to shame. I tend to think that Cameo's other ballads sound like EWF ripoffs, but "Why Have I Lost You" definitely has its own merits.

But you know, times were changing and I can see why Larry downsized the group. Horns were out and synths were in. Not that it was really a bad thing. I mean, that's how they came up with stuff like "She's Strange" and "Single Life".


But why do people still dig "Alligator Woman" so much?
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
Reply #15 posted 03/28/07 6:27am

SoulAlive

NWF said:

Yes, and only now I've realized that Wayne Cooper was an amazing falsetto vocalist that could put Prince and Phillip Bailey to shame. I tend to think that Cameo's other ballads sound like EWF ripoffs, but "Why Have I Lost You" definitely has its own merits.

But you know, times were changing and I can see why Larry downsized the group. Horns were out and synths were in. Not that it was really a bad thing. I mean, that's how they came up with stuff like "She's Strange" and "Single Life".


But why do people still dig "Alligator Woman" so much?


What's wrong with "Alligator Woman"? That song is fierce (very New Wav-ish,so you of all people should love it,lol) and the album is their best work!
Reply #16 posted 03/28/07 6:36am

NWF

SoulAlive said:

NWF said:

Yes, and only now I've realized that Wayne Cooper was an amazing falsetto vocalist that could put Prince and Phillip Bailey to shame. I tend to think that Cameo's other ballads sound like EWF ripoffs, but "Why Have I Lost You" definitely has its own merits.

But you know, times were changing and I can see why Larry downsized the group. Horns were out and synths were in. Not that it was really a bad thing. I mean, that's how they came up with stuff like "She's Strange" and "Single Life".


But why do people still dig "Alligator Woman" so much?


What's wrong with "Alligator Woman"? That song is fierce (very New Wav-ish,so you of all people should love it,lol) and the album is their best work!


Well I'm not saying it's bad at all. In fact I think it's very good. A little weird, but hey, that was New Wave right? wink

I was just wondering why that album gets the popular vote as opposed to...I don't know...."Word Up".
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
Reply #17 posted 03/28/07 6:40am

SoulAlive

NWF said:

SoulAlive said:



What's wrong with "Alligator Woman"? That song is fierce (very New Wav-ish,so you of all people should love it,lol) and the album is their best work!


Well I'm not saying it's bad at all. In fact I think it's very good. A little weird, but hey, that was New Wave right? wink

I was just wondering why that album gets the popular vote as opposed to...I don't know...."Word Up".


It's a better album than 'Word Up',imo lol
Reply #18 posted 03/28/07 8:58am

FuNkeNsteiN

SoulAlive said:

NWF said:



Well I'm not saying it's bad at all. In fact I think it's very good. A little weird, but hey, that was New Wave right? wink

I was just wondering why that album gets the popular vote as opposed to...I don't know...."Word Up".


It's a better album than 'Word Up',imo lol

Word Up is overrated.
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Reply #19 posted 03/28/07 9:19am

phunkdaddy

FuNkeNsteiN said:

SoulAlive said:



It's a better album than 'Word Up',imo lol

Word Up is overrated.


Agree with you on that. I started the previous thread of top 5 cameo albums and
i don't think it was but one person that listed word up in their top 5.
I even liked their obscure album style better than word up. My favorite is
definitely alligator woman followed by knights of the round table.
Reply #20 posted 03/28/07 9:25am

IDEJJD

http://www.emancipationradio.com/tomi.html

Check out this interview with Tomi Jenkins, we even address the codpiece !!
Reply #21 posted 03/28/07 10:27am

Najee

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Word Up is overrated."


As someone who bought all of Cameo's albums, I have to disagree with that. The title track, "Candy" and "Back and Forth" alone make it worth the price of admission.
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Reply #22 posted 03/28/07 11:44am

Sowhat

NWF said:

....But why do people still dig "Alligator Woman" so much...?



Are you kidding.....with songs like "Alligator Woman", "Soul Army","Flirt", "Be Yourself", "I owe it all to you".....THAT is why so many people dig this album so much!
"Always blessings, never losses......"

Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!

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Reply #23 posted 03/28/07 11:56am

Sowhat

phunkdaddy said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


Word Up is overrated.


Agree with you on that. I started the previous thread of top 5 cameo albums and
i don't think it was but one person that listed word up in their top 5.
I even liked their obscure album style better than word up. My favorite is
definitely alligator woman followed by knights of the round table.


(Isn't it Knights of the SOUND table????)

Anyway....Knights by Nights!!!!! I love that song! I even won a high school T.V. broadcasting class gong show performing that song!
"Always blessings, never losses......"

Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!

mad I'm a guy!!!!

"....i can open my-eyes "underwater"..there4 i will NOT drown...." - mzkqueen03 eek lol
Reply #24 posted 03/28/07 12:37pm

FuNkeNsteiN

Sowhat said:

phunkdaddy said:



Agree with you on that. I started the previous thread of top 5 cameo albums and
i don't think it was but one person that listed word up in their top 5.
I even liked their obscure album style better than word up. My favorite is
definitely alligator woman followed by knights of the round table.


(Isn't it Knights of the SOUND table????)

nod
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Reply #25 posted 03/28/07 12:56pm

NWF

Yeah, I like that one too. That's the one with "Freaky Dancing" and "Don't Be So Cool". cool
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Reply #26 posted 03/28/07 12:57pm

blackguitaristz

Love Cameo. One of my all time faves. All-time Fave Cameo album;

"Alligator Woman"

All Time Underrated Cameo Song;

"Keep It Hot"

I've been into Cameo ever since I was 11 years old. Have every single album. Cameo was crucial. They always had their own brand of funk. They came when funk was kinda getting blended in with disco but they stayed true. They also fought out of the shadow of Parliament. Their production on their albums, especially their earlier ones, were excellent. The musicianship was flawless. I think their underrated for that element. They hung on all through the hella crucial years of the 80's MTV explosion and came out grinning and winning with their huge "Word Up!" album. I remember hearing folks say that they had sold out. Not even a valid claim. That album is as much a "Cameo sounding" album as the rest of theirs. I was happy for them to hear "Word Up!" and the fantastic "Candy" all over pop radio. "You're giving me a heart attack. It's the kind I lack!" Love that shit. Instead of saying "like", Larry kept it black by saying "lack".
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Reply #27 posted 03/28/07 1:18pm

NWF

Yeah, a lot of the die-heard Cameo heads were hating on "Word Up" since it became so commercially successful. But really, what's wrong with that? I don't think it was any less funky as the rest of their work. Also, they were the guys that helped kick-start the whole New Jack funk that would make up the late 80's R&B music.

See, Cameo was ahead of their time. nod
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
Reply #28 posted 03/28/07 1:24pm

NWF

Sowhat said:

NWF said:

....But why do people still dig "Alligator Woman" so much...?



Are you kidding.....with songs like "Alligator Woman", "Soul Army","Flirt", "Be Yourself", "I owe it all to you".....THAT is why so many people dig this album so much!


I mean, I have the singles on a best of CD, but I don't have the whole album. And since the album isn't in print or hasn't been remastered, it's a little hard to find. (*cough* *cough* any offers? *cough* *cough*) But I can't deny the absolute funkiness of "Be Yourself" and "Flirt". Those were some wicked ass jams.
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
Reply #29 posted 03/28/07 1:30pm

Etorres

Sparkle is one of my favs .....Cameo rocks .....Chocolate City !!!
Youth is wasted on the young .....
Reply #30 posted 03/28/07 1:46pm

Sowhat

NWF said:

Sowhat said:




Are you kidding.....with songs like "Alligator Woman", "Soul Army","Flirt", "Be Yourself", "I owe it all to you".....THAT is why so many people dig this album so much!


I mean, I have the singles on a best of CD, but I don't have the whole album. And since the album isn't in print or hasn't been remastered, it's a little hard to find. (*cough* *cough* any offers? *cough* *cough*) But I can't deny the absolute funkiness of "Be Yourself" and "Flirt". Those were some wicked ass jams.


I wish I could help you wink , but I simply cannot find "Alligator Woman" anywhere. I have bought several Cameo compilation albums to try to get as many songs from that album as possible, but I have only Got Alligator Woman/Secrets of Time, Be Yourself, Flirt, and I owe it all to you. I had it on cassette way back in the day, but all my cassettes from back then don't work anymore.


I don't know why Alligator Woman was ever re-issued since other Cameo classics like Ugly Ego, Secret Omen, Cameosis, Knights of the Sound Table, We all Know who we are, She's Strange, Word Up have all been re-issued?????





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[Edited 3/28/07 13:47pm]
"Always blessings, never losses......"

Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!

mad I'm a guy!!!!

"....i can open my-eyes "underwater"..there4 i will NOT drown...." - mzkqueen03 eek lol
Reply #31 posted 03/28/07 2:37pm

NWF

Sowhat said:

NWF said:



I mean, I have the singles on a best of CD, but I don't have the whole album. And since the album isn't in print or hasn't been remastered, it's a little hard to find. (*cough* *cough* any offers? *cough* *cough*) But I can't deny the absolute funkiness of "Be Yourself" and "Flirt". Those were some wicked ass jams.


I wish I could help you wink , but I simply cannot find "Alligator Woman" anywhere. I have bought several Cameo compilation albums to try to get as many songs from that album as possible, but I have only Got Alligator Woman/Secrets of Time, Be Yourself, Flirt, and I owe it all to you. I had it on cassette way back in the day, but all my cassettes from back then don't work anymore.


I don't know why Alligator Woman was ever re-issued since other Cameo classics like Ugly Ego, Secret Omen, Cameosis, Knights of the Sound Table, We all Know who we are, She's Strange, Word Up have all been re-issued?????





.
[Edited 3/28/07 13:47pm]


I don't know why myself, but I think it's about time they did remaster them.
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
Reply #32 posted 03/28/07 2:44pm

Sowhat

NWF said:

Sowhat said:



I wish I could help you wink , but I simply cannot find "Alligator Woman" anywhere. I have bought several Cameo compilation albums to try to get as many songs from that album as possible, but I have only Got Alligator Woman/Secrets of Time, Be Yourself, Flirt, and I owe it all to you. I had it on cassette way back in the day, but all my cassettes from back then don't work anymore.


I don't know why Alligator Woman was ever re-issued since other Cameo classics like Ugly Ego, Secret Omen, Cameosis, Knights of the Sound Table, We all Know who we are, She's Strange, Word Up have all been re-issued?????





.
[Edited 3/28/07 13:47pm]


I don't know why myself, but I think it's about time they did remaster them.


clapping !!!!!
"Always blessings, never losses......"

Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!

mad I'm a guy!!!!

"....i can open my-eyes "underwater"..there4 i will NOT drown...." - mzkqueen03 eek lol
Reply #33 posted 03/28/07 4:51pm

AzhnConnectzhn

NWF said:

This thread is dedicated to one of the baddest Funk bands of the 70's and 80's (as well as all time). I remember that thread a while back about favorite albums by them and I started this long drawn-out debate about which era of Cameo was the most important. I said that they really found their sound and identity when they started moving into Synth-Funk and codpieces. giggle I believe that began with the "She's Strange" album. Or maybe it was "Style". I got some heat for that however because I also said that before their move into the mainstream, they were just another Funk band that sounded like second-rate versions of their contemporaries (P-Funk, EWF, Ohio Players, etc.). I'm kinda worng about that since upon further listening I'd say they really found themselves when they released "Cameosis". But that's neither here nor there.

Anyways, this band has been my lastest flame for the past 4 months, and since there's no major sites devoted to them, I have a few unanswered questions: What are the details of bassist Michael Burnett's recent death? Will their records be remasted and re-released? What's the story with Wayne Cooper? (who was an amazing falsetto singer, even better than dare I say, Prince); Why is "Alligator Woman" the most popular among fans? Is Larry Blackmon really crazy? lol Will there be another tour this year (a 30-year retrospect would be quite nice actually)? What's this I'm hearing about the "Cameo Collective" concert coming up in Minneapolis? How funky is "I Just Want To Be"? What was up with that codpiece? lol Will there be a new Cameo album? What was with the numerous line-up changes? What's this rumor I heard about the band performing on the soundtrack to the upcoming "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" movie?.....and so forth and so on.

With all that said, Cameo is the funky ass truth! headbang


omfg I had no idea that this had happened! Shit!!! I've always loved Cameo since I was just a kid! I'm always sure to see them every time they come around my way. They are my favorite funk band of all time.

Top picks: Candy, We're Going Out Tonight, Skin I'm In, Single Life, Keep It Hot, Secrets Of Time, Freaky Dancing, Why Have I Lost You (original version) .
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Reply #34 posted 03/28/07 5:01pm

debbiedean2

MY TOP FIVE CUTS ARE:
CANDY
SPARKLE
ATTACK ME WITH YOUR LOVE
HANGING DOWNTOWN
SHAKE YOUR PANTS
I'M NOT SHOUTING, JEEZ!
Reply #35 posted 03/28/07 5:33pm

LoDog

FuNkeNsteiN said:

SoulAlive said:



It's a better album than 'Word Up',imo lol

Word Up is overrated.


I can't beleive this dumb-ass said Word Up is overrated. Not only is it one of the funkiest songs of all time, it's also one of my fave Cameo albums. I used to playit back and forth (get it). Secret Omen and Cameosis are also great gems to have. The song Single Life bu itself reminds me of me. A true player to the end. Peace!
Peace and be wild!
Reply #36 posted 03/28/07 5:36pm

Najee

NWF said:

Yeah, a lot of the die-heard Cameo heads were hating on "Word Up" since it became so commercially successful. But really, what's wrong with that? I don't think it was any less funky as the rest of their work. Also, they were the guys that helped kick-start the whole New Jack funk that would make up the late 80's R&B music."


IMO, some people hate on "Word Up!" for no other reason than it became an unexpected crossover hit; you can't accuse Cameo of changing its sound because the song is a clone of "Single Life" (a song most Cameo fans generally dig).

As for the New Jack Swing connection, there is none. "Word Up!" is a funk song using a popular catchphrase typically associated with rappers; Teddy Riley's sound used rap elements over R&B music to give it an edge.
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Reply #37 posted 03/28/07 5:39pm

AzhnConnectzhn

..."think from a positive place, and eliminate the negative fate"...
Reply #38 posted 03/28/07 5:42pm

AzhnConnectzhn

LoDog said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


Word Up is overrated.


I can't beleive this dumb-ass said Word Up is overrated. Not only is it one of the funkiest songs of all time, it's also one of my fave Cameo albums. I used to playit back and forth (get it). Secret Omen and Cameosis are also great gems to have. The song Single Life bu itself reminds me of me. A true player to the end. Peace!


Nah, fuck that! Word Up is overrated! The song, that is.
..."think from a positive place, and eliminate the negative fate"...
Reply #39 posted 03/28/07 5:43pm

Najee

NWF said:

"But you know, times were changing and I can see why Larry downsized the group. Horns were out and synths were in. Not that it was really a bad thing. I mean, that's how they came up with stuff like 'She's Strange' and 'Single Life.'

But why do people still dig 'Alligator Woman' so much?"


It's album where Larry Blackmon downsized Cameo and dramatically changed its sound. The changeover allowed Cameo to stay relevant for another eight years. Also, "Alligator Woman" was the band's most consistent album -- and in this case, consistently good.

I have the album on compact disc (I bought it as an import eight years ago) and it's worth owning.
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Reply #40 posted 03/28/07 11:12pm

FuNkeNsteiN

LoDog said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


Word Up is overrated.


I can't beleive this dumb-ass said Word Up is overrated. Not only is it one of the funkiest songs of all time, it's also one of my fave Cameo albums. I used to playit back and forth (get it). Secret Omen and Cameosis are also great gems to have. The song Single Life bu itself reminds me of me. A true player to the end. Peace!

Riiight. You're the guy who said Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey are the greatest R&B singers ever falloff
... and Word Up is overrated.
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Reply #41 posted 03/29/07 12:19am

funkpill

NWF said:

Sowhat said:



I wish I could help you wink , but I simply cannot find "Alligator Woman" anywhere. I have bought several Cameo compilation albums to try to get as many songs from that album as possible, but I have only Got Alligator Woman/Secrets of Time, Be Yourself, Flirt, and I owe it all to you. I had it on cassette way back in the day, but all my cassettes from back then don't work anymore.


I don't know why Alligator Woman was ever re-issued since other Cameo classics like Ugly Ego, Secret Omen, Cameosis, Knights of the Sound Table, We all Know who we are, She's Strange, Word Up have all been re-issued?????





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I don't know why myself, but I think it's about time they did remaster them.



add Rigor Mortis to that list confused
Reply #42 posted 03/29/07 9:20am

phunkdaddy

I wouldn't say we are hating on word up because it was commercially
successful on the pop charts. It was just plastic funk. It was okay but
overrated compared to their earlier stuff. Songs like keep it hot, shake your pants, soul army, be yourself,freaky dancing,style,i just wanna be were just
funkier and raw. As for larry downsizing the band to obtain commercial success or whatever as someone earlier stated, ewf or kook & the gang obtained that same
success without downsizing. The band was tighter before they downsized but still okay during their word up era.
Reply #43 posted 03/29/07 9:20am

FuNkeNsteiN

phunkdaddy said:

I wouldn't say we are hating on word up because it was commercially
successful on the pop charts. It was just plastic funk. It was okay but
overrated compared to their earlier stuff. Songs like keep it hot, shake your pants, soul army, be yourself,freaky dancing,style,i just wanna be were just
funkier and raw. As for larry downsizing the band to obtain commercial success or whatever as someone earlier stated, ewf or kook & the gang obtained that same
success without downsizing. The band was tighter before they downsized but still okay during their word up era.

nod
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Reply #44 posted 03/29/07 9:34am

vainandy

One of the best funk bands ever, especially from the beginning of their career through the "Alligator Woman" album. They got weaker after that but they still were OK.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #45 posted 03/29/07 9:34am

FuNkeNsteiN

vainandy said:

One of the best funk bands ever, especially from the beginning of their career through the "Alligator Woman" album. They got weaker after that but they still were OK.

nod
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Reply #46 posted 03/29/07 9:35am

vainandy

FuNkeNsteiN said:

LoDog said:



I can't beleive this dumb-ass said Word Up is overrated. Not only is it one of the funkiest songs of all time, it's also one of my fave Cameo albums. I used to playit back and forth (get it). Secret Omen and Cameosis are also great gems to have. The song Single Life bu itself reminds me of me. A true player to the end. Peace!

Riiight. You're the guy who said Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey are the greatest R&B singers ever falloff
... and Word Up is overrated.


That explains why "Word Up" is his favorite Cameo album. lol
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Reply #47 posted 03/29/07 9:36am

FuNkeNsteiN

vainandy said:



That explains why "Word Up" is his favorite Cameo album. lol

falloff
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Reply #48 posted 03/29/07 9:41am

vainandy

phunkdaddy said:

I wouldn't say we are hating on word up because it was commercially
successful on the pop charts.


I am. lol

Seriously though, I love the song "Word Up". It's the other songs on the album such as "Candy" and "Back and Forth" that are weak as hell compared to Cameo's earlier work. As Najee said earlier, Cameo had dramatically changed it's sound earlier (which I found weaker than before).....but it's the fact that "Word Up" had pop success that irks me. I've seen too many great R&B or funk acts lose their strength after they achieve pop success. lol
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Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #49 posted 03/29/07 7:15pm

phunkdaddy

vainandy said:

phunkdaddy said:

I wouldn't say we are hating on word up because it was commercially
successful on the pop charts.


I am. lol

Seriously though, I love the song "Word Up". It's the other songs on the album such as "Candy" and "Back and Forth" that are weak as hell compared to Cameo's earlier work. As Najee said earlier, Cameo had dramatically changed it's sound earlier (which I found weaker than before).....but it's the fact that "Word Up" had pop success that irks me. I've seen too many great R&B or funk acts lose their strength after they achieve pop success. lol
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I know for a fact larry blackmon had been complaining about the lack of commercial success after the single life album so maybe he and the record
company had a lot to do with promoting the album to pop radio. Even if word
up had not received the commercial success it did i still think most fans would
still agree the album was stale compared to earlier stuff. Even the single life album was not that great. Side one of that album was the shit. But side two of
that album sucked hard. The band does a great live version of i've got your image from single life. I had the opportunity to meet cameo backstage in 1996 after a show in columbia,sc. Larry and Tomi are both cool as hell. Nathan Leftenant is wild as hell. He was smoking a cig and i said what's up nate cameo still got it. He said hell yeah man what you think we getting old. We started
talking about cameo's live album they were doing at the time and music in general. They really are cool guys that don't let the show biz get to their head.
Reply #50 posted 03/29/07 8:58pm

Thumparello

vainandy said:

One of the best funk bands ever, especially from the beginning of their career through the "Alligator Woman" album. They got weaker after that but they still were OK.




I agree they are one of the greatest funk bands of all time!
Reply #51 posted 03/30/07 2:47am

SoulAlive

There is one Cameo album that I've never heard...their 1983 'Style' album.This is a mysterious album that came and went.In my area,the title track got a little airplay but I never heard anything else from this album.Is it any good? Anybody recommend this album? What are the standout tracks?
Reply #52 posted 03/30/07 4:19am

FuNkeNsteiN

SoulAlive said:

There is one Cameo album that I've never heard...their 1983 'Style' album.This is a mysterious album that came and went.In my area,the title track got a little airplay but I never heard anything else from this album.Is it any good? Anybody recommend this album? What are the standout tracks?

Come to think of it, neither have I. It's almost never mentioned anywhere... heck, I've probably never even seen the album cover.
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Reply #53 posted 03/30/07 4:20am

FuNkeNsteiN

Oh wait, I do recall seeing this album cover once before
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Reply #54 posted 03/30/07 4:26am

SoulAlive

FuNkeNsteiN said:

SoulAlive said:

There is one Cameo album that I've never heard...their 1983 'Style' album.This is a mysterious album that came and went.In my area,the title track got a little airplay but I never heard anything else from this album.Is it any good? Anybody recommend this album? What are the standout tracks?

Come to think of it, neither have I. It's almost never mentioned anywhere... heck, I've probably never even seen the album cover.


It seems to be a rare,forgotten album.Does anyone know what the singles were (besides the title track)? I wonder why it didn't get as much attention as the album that came before it ('Alligator Woman') and the album that came after it ('She's Strange').

Does it continue the synth-New Wave-styled funk of 'Alligator Woman'?
Reply #55 posted 03/30/07 4:31am

FuNkeNsteiN

SoulAlive said:

Does it continue the synth-New Wave-styled funk of 'Alligator Woman'?

shrug

You could, of course, purchase it from GEMM.Com and find out...
http://www1.gemm.com/item/CAMEO/STYLE/GML881674665/
wink
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Reply #56 posted 03/30/07 4:34am

SoulAlive

FuNkeNsteiN said:

SoulAlive said:

Does it continue the synth-New Wave-styled funk of 'Alligator Woman'?

shrug

You could, of course, purchase it from GEMM.Com and find out...
http://www1.gemm.com/item/CAMEO/STYLE/GML881674665/
wink



Thanks for the link.I'm sure I'll eventually come across it during one of my vinyl digs lol I can find it for much cheaper than $16.00.
Reply #57 posted 03/30/07 4:37am

FuNkeNsteiN

SoulAlive said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


shrug

You could, of course, purchase it from GEMM.Com and find out...
http://www1.gemm.com/item/CAMEO/STYLE/GML881674665/
wink



Thanks for the link.I'm sure I'll eventually come across it during one of my vinyl digs lol I can find it for much cheaper than $16.00.

Yea well, you're in the States. It's much easier to go on vinyl digs and find funk lps over there than it is over here in Finland wink
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Reply #58 posted 03/30/07 4:38am

SoulAlive

FuNkeNsteiN said:

SoulAlive said:




Thanks for the link.I'm sure I'll eventually come across it during one of my vinyl digs lol I can find it for much cheaper than $16.00.

Yea well, you're in the States. It's much easier to go on vinyl digs and find funk lps over there than it is over here in Finland wink



I'm surprised that people in Finland even know what funk is lol (just kidding) wink
Reply #59 posted 03/30/07 4:40am

FuNkeNsteiN

SoulAlive said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


Yea well, you're in the States. It's much easier to go on vinyl digs and find funk lps over there than it is over here in Finland wink



I'm surprised that people in Finland even know what funk is lol (just kidding) wink

Unfortunately, most don't. There are some of us around but like 80% of the population listen to metal music lol
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Reply #60 posted 03/30/07 4:42am

SoulAlive

FuNkeNsteiN said:

SoulAlive said:




I'm surprised that people in Finland even know what funk is lol (just kidding) wink

Unfortunately, most don't. There are some of us around but like 80% of the population listen to metal music lol



How did you become such a big (and very knowledgable) funk fan? Aren't you only 19 years old?! lol
Reply #61 posted 03/30/07 4:43am

FuNkeNsteiN

I just listened to their Gold compilation on my iTunes... dayum...
We All Know Who We Are, followed by Insane, followed by I Just Want To Be 12''... fro headbang music
To quote Wayne Cooper...
"I'm in heaaaveeen"
wink
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Reply #62 posted 03/30/07 4:48am

FuNkeNsteiN

SoulAlive said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


Unfortunately, most don't. There are some of us around but like 80% of the population listen to metal music lol



How did you become such a big (and very knowledgable) funk fan? Aren't you only 19 years old?! lol

Yea, I'm 19. Well, I started listening to Michael Jackson back when I was like 7 or 8 and then saw The Most Beautiful Girl In The World on MTV, and got hooked on Prince. After that I just sorta started branching out, finding bands by surfing allmusic.com and prince.org, talking to the guy who used to work at my local record store (which sort of went out of business neutral) and reading books about the subject (Funk: The Music, The People and The Rhythm Of The One and Funk by Dave Thompson).
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Reply #63 posted 03/30/07 4:48am

SoulAlive

I have that 2-CD compilation too.I listen to it all the time in my car music The version I have is titled 'Cameo Anthology'.Same tracks as the 'Cameo Gold' set.
Reply #64 posted 03/30/07 4:49am

FuNkeNsteiN

SoulAlive said:

I have that 2-CD compilation too.I listen to it all the time in my car music The version I have is titled 'Cameo Anthology'.Same tracks as the 'Cameo Gold' set.

Great comp thumbs up!
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Reply #65 posted 03/30/07 5:16am

SoulAlive

FuNkeNsteiN said:

SoulAlive said:

I have that 2-CD compilation too.I listen to it all the time in my car music The version I have is titled 'Cameo Anthology'.Same tracks as the 'Cameo Gold' set.

Great comp thumbs up!


nod All the hits are accounted for,except for maybe one or two.
Reply #66 posted 03/30/07 6:06am

StarMon

CFunk fan for life. I'm finna' hit the media player and start this morning off with "We All Know Who We Are".
The NFL...frohornsNational Funk League
hornsI think I'll multiply, and do it 2 U from all sides horns
Reply #67 posted 03/30/07 6:28am

murph

Cameo...One of the few '70s acts that was able to make a brilliant transition into the '80s...Larry Blackmon doesn't get enough credit as a producer...Very underrated act...
Reply #68 posted 03/30/07 6:40am

NWF

I'm sorry but "Word Up" definitely has some merits. And what's wrong with crossing over to the pop mainstream? I'd say they were ready for it after being around all those years. But I don't think that commercial success diminishes the fact that "Word Up" was funky. I mean, Prince was popular too, but he was still funky.

However, it was their later albums like "Machismo" and "Real Men Wear Black" that are questionable. I know they were trying to get further into the New Jack/Hip-Hop thang, but I don't think it really worked out for them.

But you know what's funny, when I listened to The Gap Band's late 80's foray int o the New Jack Swing I thought their songs weren't that bad.
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.
Reply #69 posted 03/30/07 6:59am

funkpill

murph said:

Cameo...One of the few '70s acts that was able to make a brilliant transition into the '80s...Larry Blackmon doesn't get enough credit as a producer...Very underrated act...



He wrote and produce Bobby Brown's Girl Next Door

biggrin
Reply #70 posted 03/30/07 7:02am

SoulAlive

FuNkeNsteiN said:

SoulAlive said:




How did you become such a big (and very knowledgable) funk fan? Aren't you only 19 years old?! lol

reading books about the subject (Funk: The Music, The People and The Rhythm Of The One and Funk by Dave Thompson).





I have both of those books....a must-have if you're a funk fan thumbs up!
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Reply #71 posted 03/30/07 7:46am

FuNkeNsteiN

SoulAlive said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


reading books about the subject (Funk: The Music, The People and The Rhythm Of The One and Funk by Dave Thompson).





I have both of those books....a must-have if you're a funk fan thumbs up!

thumbs up!
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Reply #72 posted 03/30/07 9:02am

vainandy

SoulAlive said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


Come to think of it, neither have I. It's almost never mentioned anywhere... heck, I've probably never even seen the album cover.


It seems to be a rare,forgotten album.Does anyone know what the singles were (besides the title track)? I wonder why it didn't get as much attention as the album that came before it ('Alligator Woman') and the album that came after it ('She's Strange').

Does it continue the synth-New Wave-styled funk of 'Alligator Woman'?


I didn't buy the "Style" album, I only bought the 45. The very next thing I rememeber hearing on the radio afterwards was "You're Talking Out The Side Of Your Neck" (which I didn't care for so didn't even attempt to buy). I don't know if that one is on "Style" or "She's Strange".

After the "Alligator Woman" album, I only bought Cameo 45s or 12 Inches of particular songs I like because Cameo's music seemed to be getting weaker. The next full album of their's that I bought was "Machismo". I loved "You Make Me Work" but didn't care much for the rest of the album. I also bought their 1990s albums "Emotional Violence" and "In The Face Of Funk". It was the 1990s then and singles were scarce....especially from a funk group. I had no choice but to buy the albums.
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Reply #73 posted 03/30/07 9:19am

ThePunisher

Yes!, CAMEO! I was in Jr High at the time. A bunch of us were outside playing Basketball at the park, This dude came with a Boom-Box, Turned it on, And "Shake Your Pants" started playing. Dude with the ball stopped the game and said "That Song is BAAAAAD!! "Who's this By?" "CAMEO". That was my introduction to the band. I love the bassline to "CAMEOSIS" whoever played bass on that track, Tore it up!
Reply #74 posted 03/30/07 9:21am

FuNkeNsteiN

ThePunisher said:

Yes!, CAMEO! I was in Jr High at the time. A bunch of us were outside playing Basketball at the park, This dude came with a Boom-Box, Turned it on, And "Shake Your Pants" started playing. Dude with the ball stopped the game and said "That Song is BAAAAAD!! "Who's this By?" "CAMEO". That was my introduction to the band. I love the bassline to "CAMEOSIS" whoever played bass on that track, Tore it up!

It's either Larry Blackmon or Aaron Mills smile
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Reply #75 posted 03/30/07 9:40am

StarMon

funkpill said:

murph said:

Cameo...One of the few '70s acts that was able to make a brilliant transition into the '80s...Larry Blackmon doesn't get enough credit as a producer...Very underrated act...



He wrote and produce Bobby Brown's Girl Next Door

biggrin



Some more of his signature production for other artist.



Cashflow: Cashflow, *Big Money (Atlanta Artist, 1986,*1988)
Charles Earland: Earland's Jam (CBS, 1982)
Eddie Murphy: So Happy (Columbia, 1989)
George Howard: Personal (MCA, 1989)
LA. Connection: Connection feat. Cameo (MCA, 1982)
Mantra: Mantra (Casablanca, 1981)
Miki Howard: Miki Howard (Atlantic, 1989)
Reddings: If Looks Could Kill (Polydor, 1985)
Tomi Jenkins: Tomi (Atlanta Artists, 1989)
The NFL...frohornsNational Funk League
hornsI think I'll multiply, and do it 2 U from all sides horns
Reply #76 posted 03/31/07 5:35pm

phunkdaddy

SoulAlive said:

There is one Cameo album that I've never heard...their 1983 'Style' album.This is a mysterious album that came and went.In my area,the title track got a little airplay but I never heard anything else from this album.Is it any good? Anybody recommend this album? What are the standout tracks?


I recommend this album. I would rank it behind alligator woman,knights of the
sound table, and cameosis. Very underrated album. The standout tracks were style, this life is not for me, you're a winner which was soulful and bluesy
like you don't love me like you say from she's strange,heaven knows, and the
elvis pressley remake can't help falling in love which was the second single from the album, and the funky opening track aphrodisiac. Funkateers should like that one. Cameo throws down on aphrodisiac. I would strongly recommend this album if anyone can find it. Due to it's obscurity, it won't be found on cd. That is why i will definitely hang on to my vinyl copy.
Reply #77 posted 03/31/07 5:56pm

murph

funkpill said:

murph said:

Cameo...One of the few '70s acts that was able to make a brilliant transition into the '80s...Larry Blackmon doesn't get enough credit as a producer...Very underrated act...



He wrote and produce Bobby Brown's Girl Next Door

biggrin



LOL...Funny...But I was talking about as Cameo's producer and creative engine...
Reply #78 posted 03/31/07 6:03pm

phunkdaddy

vainandy said:



I didn't buy the "Style" album, I only bought the 45. The very next thing I rememeber hearing on the radio afterwards was "You're Talking Out The Side Of Your Neck" (which I didn't care for so didn't even attempt to buy). I don't know if that one is on "Style" or "She's Strange".

After the "Alligator Woman" album, I only bought Cameo 45s or 12 Inches of particular songs I like because Cameo's music seemed to be getting weaker. The next full album of their's that I bought was "Machismo". I loved "You Make Me Work" but didn't care much for the rest of the album. I also bought their 1990s albums "Emotional Violence" and "In The Face Of Funk". It was the 1990s then and singles were scarce....especially from a funk group. I had no choice but to buy the albums.
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Talkin out the side of your neck was from she's strange. Style album was very good. My favorite from machismo was skin i'm in and in the night with miles davis. Did not like you make me work. The next album was real men wear black
which only had two good tracks close quarters and i want it now. When they came out with emotional violence i was like yeah the title track was real funky then i bought the cd and was disappointed and took it back. In the face of funk only had the good slave cover of slide. 2000's sweet sexy thing fared a little better with the funky track you make me crazy which they currently perform live.
Like you said though albums and singles today are scarce from a funk band like cameo.
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Reply #79 posted 03/31/07 6:04pm

funkpill

murph said:

funkpill said:




He wrote and produce Bobby Brown's Girl Next Door

biggrin



LOL...Funny...But I was talking about as Cameo's producer and creative engine...




oh lol


he's a very talented person biggrin
Reply #80 posted 03/31/07 8:07pm

Krystal666

Classic! Are they coming to Minneapolis? That would be a fun show to see!
Reply #81 posted 03/31/07 9:02pm

DJJillMonroe

Maybe I should replay the Cameo show I did last year...had an extensive interview with Tomi Jenkins as well...THEE baddest band live.....


http://www.emancipationradio.com/listen.html

I sooo love my job cool
Why You Jive Turkey You....
Reply #82 posted 04/01/07 7:38pm

Najee

phunkdaddy said:

I know for a fact larry blackmon had been complaining about the lack of commercial success after the single life album so maybe he and the record company had a lot to do with promoting the album to pop radio.

Even if word up had not received the commercial success it did i still think most fans would still agree the album was stale compared to earlier stuff. Even the single life album was not that great. Side one of that album was the shit. But side two of that album sucked hard.


The reality is that outside of "Alligator Woman," most of Cameo's albums had no more than two or three good songs on an album. So I'm not quite getting the complaint about "Word Up!," which had three strong songs (something Cameo never boasted before or since on an album) -- the title track, "Candy" and "Back and Forth."

I'm also not quite getting "the lack of commercial success" comment, because Cameo consistently had gold albums before "Word Up!" No, the group never had a pop hit before then, but I'm not seeing some of these comments about the act watering down its sound.
THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
Reply #83 posted 04/01/07 7:41pm

Najee

SoulAlive said:

There is one Cameo album that I've never heard...their 1983 'Style' album.This is a mysterious album that came and went.In my area,the title track got a little airplay but I never heard anything else from this album.Is it any good? Anybody recommend this album? What are the standout tracks?


"Style" was mostly a replay of the "Alligator Woman" album. The title track was the lead single (a top 20 R&B hit) that was a clone of "Be Yourself." The album also had Cameo making a cover of the Elvis Presley ballad, "Can't Help Falling in Love with You" and a jazz-influenced midtempo song "Aphrodisiac" (basically a a melodic chorus singing a la "Flirt" and in feel a precursor to the song "She's Strange." I personally don't feel you're missing anything here if you have never heard it.
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THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
Reply #84 posted 04/01/07 7:44pm

Najee

vainandy said:

I didn't buy the "Style" album, I only bought the 45. The very next thing I rememeber hearing on the radio afterwards was "You're Talking Out The Side Of Your Neck" (which I didn't care for so didn't even attempt to buy). I don't know if that one is on "Style" or "She's Strange".


"Talking Out the Side of Your Neck" was the second single of the "She's Strange" album, which meant you missed the run of the title track (Cameo's first No. 1 single).
THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
Reply #85 posted 04/01/07 7:59pm

Najee

phunkdaddy said:

I wouldn't say we are hating on word up because it was commercially successful on the pop charts. It was just plastic funk. It was okay but overrated compared to their earlier stuff. Songs like keep it hot, shake your pants, soul army, be yourself,freaky dancing,style,i just wanna be were just funkier and raw. As for larry downsizing the band to obtain commercial success or whatever as someone earlier stated, ewf or kook & the gang obtained that same success without downsizing. The band was tighter before they downsized but still okay during their word up era.


Most of the songs you named were pre-"Alligator Woman" Cameo songs, save for "Style" and "Soul Army." By that time, Cameo had long ditched the brass-laden style of music it made with "I Just Want to Be," "Shake Your Pants" and "Keep It Hot." I can't see how "Word Up!" is "plastic" and songs like "Soul Army" and "Style" (which IMO are inferior to "Word Up!") are not.

Larry Blackmon downsized Cameo because economically it didn't make sense to have a 13-member band when he could replicate the same concept with fewer members (not to mention it made financial sense). He kept the four members that contributed the most to the sound -- Nathan Leftenant, Tomi Jenkins (who reportedly also owned a piece of the Cameo name), relative newcomer Charlie Singleton and keyboardist Greg Johnson (who was dismissed after the "Alligator Woman" album).

As for Earth, Wind & Fire and Kool & the Gang, both bands did downsize. When EWF reformed for its "System of Survival" album in 1987, founder Maurice White reduced the group to five members. Kool & the Gang downsized by its 1986 "Victory" album and in several videos before that were only showing a handful of members as its band.

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Reply #86 posted 04/01/07 8:05pm

Najee

double post.
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Reply #87 posted 04/01/07 9:05pm

funkpill

and keyboardist Greg Johnson (who was dismissed after the "Alligator Woman" album).




Wondered what happen??? hmmm

He was in the band since day one...
Reply #88 posted 04/01/07 9:15pm

Najee

funkpill said:

"Wondered what happen??? hmmm

He was in the band since day one..."


I remember in a Cameo interview, Blackmon addressed dismissing Gregory Johnson because he said he had gotten to the point where he wasn't contributing anything musically to the group.
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Reply #89 posted 04/01/07 9:27pm

LittleBLUECorvette

SoulAlive said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


reading books about the subject (Funk: The Music, The People and The Rhythm Of The One and Funk by Dave Thompson).





I have both of those books....a must-have if you're a funk fan thumbs up!

I think I stole this book from my high school libray about 2 years ago.
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Reply #90 posted 04/02/07 9:11am

phunkdaddy

Najee said:

phunkdaddy said:

I know for a fact larry blackmon had been complaining about the lack of commercial success after the single life album so maybe he and the record company had a lot to do with promoting the album to pop radio.

Even if word up had not received the commercial success it did i still think most fans would still agree the album was stale compared to earlier stuff. Even the single life album was not that great. Side one of that album was the shit. But side two of that album sucked hard.


The reality is that outside of "Alligator Woman," most of Cameo's albums had no more than two or three good songs on an album. So I'm not quite getting the complaint about "Word Up!," which had three strong songs (something Cameo never boasted before or since on an album) -- the title track, "Candy" and "Back and Forth."

I'm also not quite getting "the lack of commercial success" comment, because Cameo consistently had gold albums before "Word Up!" No, the group never had a pop hit before then, but I'm not seeing some of these comments about the act watering down its sound.


The lack of commercial success i was referring to was pop radio. In a nutshell
larry basically stated in a interview he knew that there had to be more than just blacks buying his records before the word up album was released. He obviously was ready to take cameo to a new audience which i had no problem with. I just personally like others felt like word up was not on par with their earlier work. Hell i grew up on cameo so i know they had "success" before word up but primarily on black radio. The irony is that the pop audience automatically assumes that cameo is a one hit wonder or one album wonder because of word up. They aren't or weren't familiar with cameo's body of work
before word up as even a few here have admitted.
I also disagree with you on your comment on other cameo albums besides alligator woman being less than 3 songs deep. I know the majority here would agree with me too. Knights of the round table had freaky dancing, knights by knights was a funky cameo favorite when they toured on that album. Use it or lose it was good also other funky tracks like don't be so cool and i like it.
Cameosis was also an album that was 5 tracks deep. The feel me album was also deep with keep it hot, let's go dancing, the title track, your love takes me out.
Now you consider back and forth from word up to be strong and that's cool but
others like myself saw it as watered down and weak. The only song i bothered to listen to from that album other than word up was the ballad don't be lonely.
Nobody's really trashing the song word up, most of us just feel it was not up to par with cameo's earlier body of work.
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Reply #91 posted 04/02/07 10:39am

NWF

Najee said:

SoulAlive said:

There is one Cameo album that I've never heard...their 1983 'Style' album.This is a mysterious album that came and went.In my area,the title track got a little airplay but I never heard anything else from this album.Is it any good? Anybody recommend this album? What are the standout tracks?


"Style" was mostly a replay of the "Alligator Woman" album. The title track was the lead single (a top 20 R&B hit) that was a clone of "Be Yourself." The album also had Cameo making a cover of the Elvis Presley ballad, "Can't Help Falling in Love with You" and a jazz-influenced midtempo song "Aphrodisiac" (basically a a melodic chorus singing a la "Flirt" and in feel a precursor to the song "She's Strange." I personally don't feel you're missing anything here if you have never heard it.
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I'm pretty sure Melvin Riley and his friends were listening closely to "Style", since it kinda sorta bears a resemblance to "Oh Sheila". lol
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Reply #92 posted 04/02/07 10:54am

Najee

NWF said:

"I'm pretty sure Melvin Riley and his friends were listening closely to 'Style,' since it kinda sorta bears a resemblance to "Oh Sheila.'" lol


Cameo's "Style" is a clone of "Be Yourself." Personally, Ready For The World's "Oh Sheila" sounds like something composed to emulate a Prince/The Time song -- if anything, Jesse Johnson's "Be Your Man" was more similar to the Cameo songs, given the strong emphasis on the bassline as the dominant rhythm arrangement.
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Reply #93 posted 04/02/07 11:04am

Najee

phunkdaddy said:

"I also disagree with you on your comment on other cameo albums besides alligator woman being less than 3 songs deep. I know the majority here would agree with me too. Knights of the round table had freaky dancing, knights by knights was a funky cameo favorite when they toured on that album. Use it or lose it was good also other funky tracks like don't be so cool and i like it. Cameosis was also an album that was 5 tracks deep. The feel me album was also deep with keep it hot, let's go dancing, the title track, your love takes me out."


Interesting, considering you started naming Cameo albums that only had three or so quality songs on them. I have all of Cameo's albums and they are arguably my favorite group after The Isley Brothers, and IMO all those songs you named on those albums were pretty much it.

A typical Cameo album was not filled with potential hit songs, or even viable commercial releases. "Knights of the Sound Table" was basically "Freaky Dancin'" and "I Like It;" "Feel Me" was basically "Keep It Hot," "Your Love Takes Me Out" and the title track. A lot of that also had to do with the fact that in the late 1970s/early 1980s Cameo released albums on top of each other -- in a less than two-year span, Cameo released four albums: "Ugly Ego," "Cameosis," "Feel Me" and "Knights of the Sound Table."


phunkdaddy said:

"Now you consider back and forth from word up to be strong and that's cool but others like myself saw it as watered down and weak. The only song i bothered to listen to from that album other than word up was the ballad don't be lonely. Nobody's really trashing the song word up, most of us just feel it was not up to par with cameo's earlier body of work."


You also have to keep in mind that Cameo had been released a string of albums and hit songs nonstop over a seven-year period, so at some point a group's creative output may become stagnant. As for "Back and Forth," I felt it was stronger than some on their other hit songs, such as "Talking Out the Side of Your Neck" and anything from the "Style" album.
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Reply #94 posted 04/02/07 11:26am

Najee

IMO, Cameo started adding other elements to their core style once Larry Blackmon downsized the group. The new wave influence was evident on the "Alligator Woman" album; with "She's Strange," the title track and songs like "Groove with You" and "Love You Anyway" showed more of a jazz influence; with "Candy" the group used more of a rock edge while "Back and Forth" had more of a breezy, soul/contemporay jazz touch.

In other words, Cameo was no longer locked-in to that gut-bucket funk it made when it was a 13-member band. Maybe some of you see that as being watered-down, but Cameo's music hardly qualified as that, IMO.

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Reply #95 posted 04/02/07 11:48am

NWF

Najee said:

IMO, Cameo started adding other elements to their core style once Larry Blackmon downsized the group. The new wave influence was evident on the "Alligator Woman" album; with "She's Strange," the title track and songs like "Groove with You" and "Love You Anyway" showed more of a jazz influence; with "Candy" the group used more of a rock edge while "Back and Forth" had more of a breezy, soul/contemporay jazz touch.

In other words, Cameo was no longer locked-in to that gut-bucket funk it made when it was a 13-member band. Maybe some of you see that as being watered-down, but Cameo's music hardly qualified as that, IMO.

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And that's what I liked. The fact that Cameo branched off into other styles like Jazz, Hard Rock, and New Wave (wink), or rather incorporated elements of those sounds into their raw Funk style. And at least they stopped sounding like their Funk contemporaries at that point.
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Reply #96 posted 04/02/07 12:12pm

Sowhat

NWF said:

Najee said:



"Style" was mostly a replay of the "Alligator Woman" album. The title track was the lead single (a top 20 R&B hit) that was a clone of "Be Yourself." The album also had Cameo making a cover of the Elvis Presley ballad, "Can't Help Falling in Love with You" and a jazz-influenced midtempo song "Aphrodisiac" (basically a a melodic chorus singing a la "Flirt" and in feel a precursor to the song "She's Strange." I personally don't feel you're missing anything here if you have never heard it.
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I'm pretty sure Melvin Riley and his friends were listening closely to "Style", since it kinda sorta bears a resemblance to "Oh Sheila". lol


eek

"Oh Sheila" and RFTW's whole first album was heavily influenced by Prince and the Minneapolis sound.

IMHO Cameo and their song "Style" did not influence RFTW at all.
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Reply #97 posted 04/02/07 1:45pm

vainandy

Najee said:

vainandy said:

I didn't buy the "Style" album, I only bought the 45. The very next thing I rememeber hearing on the radio afterwards was "You're Talking Out The Side Of Your Neck" (which I didn't care for so didn't even attempt to buy). I don't know if that one is on "Style" or "She's Strange".


"Talking Out the Side of Your Neck" was the second single of the "She's Strange" album, which meant you missed the run of the title track (Cameo's first No. 1 single).


Oh, I definately remember "She's Strange" when it was out. I just couldn't remember which one came first because Cameo was dropping them so fast back then and I didn't buy the "Style" or the "She's Strange" album.
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Reply #98 posted 04/02/07 2:54pm

ThePunisher

Anybody feeling "Attack Me With Your Love"? That song is FONKY!
Reply #99 posted 04/02/07 6:22pm

Najee

NWF said:

And that's what I liked. The fact that Cameo branched off into other styles like Jazz, Hard Rock, and New Wave (wink), or rather incorporated elements of those sounds into their raw Funk style. And at least they stopped sounding like their Funk contemporaries at that point.


As someone who bought all of Cameo's albums (first as LPs then as CDs), I agree. As good as the horn-laden version of Cameo was, to the unknowledgeable person the group was fairly indistinguishable from their contemporaries like Con Funk Shun and The Bar-Kays.

The fact the group was able to transform both in members and in musical styles (while still retaining its funk core) is what made Cameo's career intriguing. Songs like "She's Strange," "Attack Me with Your Love," "Single Life" and "Flirt" added to the group's legacy.
THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
Reply #100 posted 04/02/07 6:27pm

Najee

Sowhat said:

eek

"Oh Sheila" and RFTW's whole first album was heavily influenced by Prince and the Minneapolis sound.

IMHO Cameo and their song "Style" did not influence RFTW at all.


I said the same thing. If you're looking for a song that evoked Cameo's bassline-dominated songs like "Be Yourself" and "Style," that would be Jesse Johnson's "Be Your Man."
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Reply #101 posted 04/02/07 7:05pm

phunkdaddy

Najee said:

NWF said:

And that's what I liked. The fact that Cameo branched off into other styles like Jazz, Hard Rock, and New Wave (wink), or rather incorporated elements of those sounds into their raw Funk style. And at least they stopped sounding like their Funk contemporaries at that point.


As someone who bought all of Cameo's albums (first as LPs then as CDs), I agree. As good as the horn-laden version of Cameo was, to the unknowledgeable person the group was fairly indistinguishable from their contemporaries like Con Funk Shun and The Bar-Kays.

The fact the group was able to transform both in members and in musical styles (while still retaining its funk core) is what made Cameo's career intriguing. Songs like "She's Strange," "Attack Me with Your Love," "Single Life" and "Flirt" added to the group's legacy.


Part of the reason they sounded like their funk contemporaries was because they
were heavily influenced by them. Larry Blackmon once said he learned the ropes from touring with the barkays over the years. Cameo was also originally named the new york city players but changed to cameo as to not be confused with the ohio players whom influenced cameo as well. What cameo did was not neccessarily groundbreaking on their latter day albums. All of their contemporaries always changed with the times to as technology caused bands change.
Reply #102 posted 04/02/07 7:17pm

Najee

phunkdaddy said:

Part of the reason they sounded like their funk contemporaries was because they were heavily influenced by them. Larry Blackmon once said he learned the ropes from touring with the barkays over the years. Cameo was also originally named the new york city players but changed to cameo as to not be confused with the ohio players whom influenced cameo as well.


Larry Blackmon also has said he was influenced by George Clinton's Parliament/Funkadelic concepts, which he adopted into their stage show (such as when LB used to emerge from a coffin). Another person Blackmon has cited repeatedly was Maurice White.

phunkdaddy said:

What cameo did was not neccessarily groundbreaking on their latter day albums. All of their contemporaries always changed with the times to as technology caused bands change.


I would have to say albums such as "Alligator Woman" and songs such as "Be Yourself" and "She's Strange" were things Cameo's contemporaries (namely, The Bar-Kays and Con Funk Shun) were not doing; if anything, it was the latter two who copied Cameo's style -- see The Bar-Kays' "Boogie Body Land" and to a degree "Do It (Let Me See You Shake)" and Con Funk Shun's "Electric Lady."
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Reply #103 posted 04/02/07 7:47pm

phunkdaddy

Najee said:

phunkdaddy said:

Part of the reason they sounded like their funk contemporaries was because they were heavily influenced by them. Larry Blackmon once said he learned the ropes from touring with the barkays over the years. Cameo was also originally named the new york city players but changed to cameo as to not be confused with the ohio players whom influenced cameo as well.


Larry Blackmon also has said he was influenced by George Clinton's Parliament/Funkadelic concepts, which he adopted into their stage show (such as when LB used to emerge from a coffin). Another person Blackmon has cited repeatedly was Maurice White.

phunkdaddy said:

What cameo did was not neccessarily groundbreaking on their latter day albums. All of their contemporaries always changed with the times to as technology caused bands change.


I would have to say albums such as "Alligator Woman" and songs such as "Be Yourself" and "She's Strange" were things Cameo's contemporaries (namely, The Bar-Kays and Con Funk Shun) were not doing; if anything, it was the latter two who copied Cameo's style -- see The Bar-Kays' "Boogie Body Land" and to a degree "Do It (Let Me See You Shake)" and Con Funk Shun's "Electric Lady."
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It is no secret confunkshun's electric lady mirrored cameo's sound but an outside producer named larry smith known for his work with whodini was brought
on board to update confunkshun's sound. Outside of that project, confunkshun stayed true to its sound. I actually think confunkshun was more diverse than any funk band of its time especially more so than cameo. Just like you stated cameo did try some different things on their latter day albums but only skin i'm in and in the night with miles davis stood out. They even went back to their hardcore funk roots on i want it now from the real men wear black lp.
Confunkshun always did their thing whether it was funk or ballads from day one.
I think that seperated them from their funk contemporaries and their ballads were usually more appealing than cameo's. The barkays were influenced more so by parliament/funkadelic, sly stone, and the ohio players. Cameo came after the barkays and confunkshun so cameo was like the third generation funk band.
The thing that always stood out to me with the barkays is their live show. They were probably the fiercest live band that ever hit the stage. I have seen them repeatedly tear down headliners.
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I noticed you also stated that larry was also influenced by maurice white. I remember when ewf was reuniting for the touch the world album, larry blackmon was on board as a producer for the project. Maurice White scrapped the larry blackmon produced tracks because he said it sounded to much like cameo. I was looking forward to it but it never happened. Side one of touch the world was good but the side two of that album was pretty bland.
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Reply #104 posted 04/02/07 8:40pm

magnificentsynthesizer

a Cameo thread! drool

they have some of the tastiest bass lines in funk, i'm willing to bet even george clinton and prince stood in line for a serving of some of them grooves.
Reply #105 posted 04/03/07 6:44am

NWF

Sowhat said:

NWF said:



I'm pretty sure Melvin Riley and his friends were listening closely to "Style", since it kinda sorta bears a resemblance to "Oh Sheila". lol


eek

"Oh Sheila" and RFTW's whole first album was heavily influenced by Prince and the Minneapolis sound.

IMHO Cameo and their song "Style" did not influence RFTW at all.


Yeah, but listen to both songs closely and you'll hear a resemblance. But yeah, "Style" does sound like Cameo was treading water. lol
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Reply #106 posted 04/03/07 6:45am

NWF

phunkdaddy said:

Najee said:



I would have to say albums such as "Alligator Woman" and songs such as "Be Yourself" and "She's Strange" were things Cameo's contemporaries (namely, The Bar-Kays and Con Funk Shun) were not doing; if anything, it was the latter two who copied Cameo's style -- see The Bar-Kays' "Boogie Body Land" and to a degree "Do It (Let Me See You Shake)" and Con Funk Shun's "Electric Lady."
[Edited 4/2/07 19:20pm]


It is no secret confunkshun's electric lady mirrored cameo's sound but an outside producer named larry smith known for his work with whodini was brought
on board to update confunkshun's sound. Outside of that project, confunkshun stayed true to its sound. I actually think confunkshun was more diverse than any funk band of its time especially more so than cameo. Just like you stated cameo did try some different things on their latter day albums but only skin i'm in and in the night with miles davis stood out. They even went back to their hardcore funk roots on i want it now from the real men wear black lp.
Confunkshun always did their thing whether it was funk or ballads from day one.
I think that seperated them from their funk contemporaries and their ballads were usually more appealing than cameo's. The barkays were influenced more so by parliament/funkadelic, sly stone, and the ohio players. Cameo came after the barkays and confunkshun so cameo was like the third generation funk band.
The thing that always stood out to me with the barkays is their live show. They were probably the fiercest live band that ever hit the stage. I have seen them repeatedly tear down headliners.
[Edited 4/2/07 19:49pm]

I noticed you also stated that larry was also influenced by maurice white. I remember when ewf was reuniting for the touch the world album, larry blackmon was on board as a producer for the project. Maurice White scrapped the larry blackmon produced tracks because he said it sounded to much like cameo. I was looking forward to it but it never happened. Side one of touch the world was good but the side two of that album was pretty bland.
[Edited 4/2/07 19:54pm]


Exactly. Listen to some of Cameo's early ballads like "We All Know Who We Are" and "Feel Me". They just sound like they were taken out of the EWF playbook. lol
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Reply #107 posted 04/03/07 6:45am

SoulAlive

the first time I heard "Oh Sheila",I thought 'this sounds like Cameo's "Style" lol the synth line is very similiar
Reply #108 posted 04/03/07 6:47am

NWF

OWWWWW!!!!!

Larry pretty much put his signature on that one, even though I'm sure he took it from Sugarfoot of the Ohio Players. That's why my mother doesn't like Cameo. She says they're just Ohio Player clones. lol
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Reply #109 posted 04/03/07 6:52am

murph

Najee said:

NWF said:

And that's what I liked. The fact that Cameo branched off into other styles like Jazz, Hard Rock, and New Wave (wink), or rather incorporated elements of those sounds into their raw Funk style. And at least they stopped sounding like their Funk contemporaries at that point.


As someone who bought all of Cameo's albums (first as LPs then as CDs), I agree. As good as the horn-laden version of Cameo was, to the unknowledgeable person the group was fairly indistinguishable from their contemporaries like Con Funk Shun and The Bar-Kays.

The fact the group was able to transform both in members and in musical styles (while still retaining its funk core) is what made Cameo's career intriguing. Songs like "She's Strange," "Attack Me with Your Love," "Single Life" and "Flirt" added to the group's legacy.


I agree...all this talk of Cameo becoming watered down when they went for a more stripped down, synthesized sound and smaller lineup makes little sense...And for those who say Word Up was a weak release, I don't know if we are listening to the same joints....Larry and guys crossed over on their own terms; that's what made their success so cool...
Reply #110 posted 04/03/07 6:59am

FuNkeNsteiN

NWF said:

OWWWWW!!!!!

Larry pretty much put his signature on that one, even though I'm sure he took it from Sugarfoot of the Ohio Players. That's why my mother doesn't like Cameo. She says they're just Ohio Player clones. lol

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Reply #111 posted 04/03/07 8:54am

phunkdaddy

No one is saying that cameo did not make it's mark in the game but i have
a problem with saying that cameo stepped out and did so much that their contemporaries didn't do when in fact cameo was influenced by all these same bands i.e parliament/funkadelic, ohio players, confunkshun, barkays, all of
whom cameo followed. Yes saleswise word up was their landmark album(crossover success)but that does not make it their best album. MC Hammer's hammer don't hurt em sold 8 million copies but that doesn't make it better than any cameo album. Even with their landmark album, they tried to repeat themselves on machismo. You make me work was a clone of word up, and honey was a complete replica of candy. Skin i'm in was this albums gem. I dig all the funk bands from the 70's but i'm like everyone else. You have different albums you favor more so than others. This has been one hell of a thread. I would like to see more like this. lol
Reply #112 posted 04/03/07 9:08am

FuNkeNsteiN

phunkdaddy said:

This has been one hell of a thread. I would like to see more like this. lol

nod
There have been quite a lot of good threads in the past couple of weeks, actually.
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Reply #113 posted 04/03/07 9:19am

wonder505

FuNkeNsteiN said:

phunkdaddy said:

This has been one hell of a thread. I would like to see more like this. lol

nod
There have been quite a lot of good threads in the past couple of weeks, actually.


this is an excellent thread. learned alot. there was so much I didn't know about Cameo.
Reply #114 posted 04/03/07 10:14am

NWF

I'd still like to know if the band is still touring. I would love to see them live. I missed the opportunity when I was in L.A. a few years ago. sad
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Reply #115 posted 04/03/07 11:21am

Sowhat

NWF said:

I'd still like to know if the band is still touring. I would love to see them live. I missed the opportunity when I was in L.A. a few years ago. sad



I don't know if Cameo is currently touring but I got to see them in Oakland way back in 1982 (or was it 1981???) when they (along with One Way) opened up for Rick James on the "Throwin' Down" Tour.

This was right after the release of "Alligator Woman" and I actually liked Cameo's show better than Rick's. Rick's was too busy getting high and talking, Cameo was just straight bringing the funk!





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Reply #116 posted 04/03/07 2:17pm

NWF

Sowhat said:

NWF said:

I'd still like to know if the band is still touring. I would love to see them live. I missed the opportunity when I was in L.A. a few years ago. sad



I don't know if Cameo is currently touring but I got to see them in Oakland way back in 1982 (or was it 1981???) when they (along with One Way) opened up for Rick James on the "Throwin' Down" Tour.

This was right after the release of "Alligator Woman" and I actually liked Cameo's show better than Rick's. Rick's was too busy getting high and talking, Cameo was just straight bringing the funk!





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Now see that would've been the show to see. Why did I only have to be born that year? pout
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Reply #117 posted 04/03/07 3:34pm

phunkdaddy

I saw them perform last at a music festival 2002 in south carolina. They opened
for george clinton & parliament. I know tomi jenkins has a my space page and he
promoted his solo album but i don't think he mentioned anything about what cameo is currently up to.
Reply #118 posted 04/03/07 7:28pm

Najee

murph said:

"I agree...all this talk of Cameo becoming watered down when they went for a more stripped down, synthesized sound and smaller lineup makes little sense...And for those who say Word Up was a weak release, I don't know if we are listening to the same joints....Larry and guys crossed over on their own terms; that's what made their success so cool..."


This is the only place I have ever heard of anyone calling Cameo's watered down after Larry Blackmon stripped down the band. I also would like to know what is so "watered-down" about "Word Up," "Candy," "Back and Forth," "She's Strange," "Single Life," etc.

If anything, this was when Cameo had its own sound and didn't sound like some Con Funk Shun/Bar-Kays clones. Blackmon saw the hand-writing on the wall; if Cameo continued down its path, the group likely would have fell off the planet by the mid-1980s.

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THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
Reply #119 posted 04/03/07 7:34pm

Najee

phunkdaddy said:

"Even with their landmark album, (Cameo) tried to repeat themselves on machismo. You make me work was a clone of word up, and honey was a complete replica of candy. Skin i'm in was this albums gem. I dig all the funk bands from the 70's but i'm like everyone else. You have different albums you favor more so than others."


Cameo making sound-alike follow-up songs is not anything new. "Shake Your Pants" could have been called "I Just Want to Be Part II." "Word Up!" and "You Make Me Work" are direct descendants of "Single Life." "Style" was a clone of "Be Yourself."

So that was Cameo's motif both as a 13-member, horn- and brass-bassed band and as a stripped-down model featuring Larry Blackmon, Nathan Leftenant, Tomi Jenkins and their "friends."
THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
Reply #120 posted 04/04/07 12:50am

funkpill

Najee said:[quote]

phunkdaddy said:

"Even with their landmark album, (Cameo) tried to repeat themselves on machismo. You make me work was a clone of word up, and honey was a complete replica of candy. Skin i'm in was this albums gem. I dig all the funk bands from the 70's but i'm like everyone else. You have different albums you favor more so than others."

[color=darkred]Cameo making sound-alike follow-up songs is not anything new. "Shake Your Pants" could have been called "I Just Want to Be Part II." "Word Up!" and "You Make Me Work" are direct descendants of "Single Life." "Style" was a clone of "Be Yourself."



yup..nod

very true


I remember when 'Word Up' hit the scene, and I was telling people, who just discovered them, to expect them make a sequel to that album, which they did lol

But still a great band biggrin
Reply #121 posted 04/04/07 5:50pm

phunkdaddy

Najee said:

murph said:

"I agree...all this talk of Cameo becoming watered down when they went for a more stripped down, synthesized sound and smaller lineup makes little sense...And for those who say Word Up was a weak release, I don't know if we are listening to the same joints....Larry and guys crossed over on their own terms; that's what made their success so cool..."


This is the only place I have ever heard of anyone calling Cameo's watered down after Larry Blackmon stripped down the band. I also would like to know what is so "watered-down" about "Word Up," "Candy," "Back and Forth," "She's Strange," "Single Life," etc.

If anything, this was when Cameo had its own sound and didn't sound like some Con Funk Shun/Bar-Kays clones. Blackmon saw the hand-writing on the wall; if Cameo continued down its path, the group likely would have fell off the planet by the mid-1980s.

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No one claimed she's strange,single life,to be watered down,however;those albums especially single life wasn't as strong as their earlier albums. Only side 1 of the single life album was relevant. She's strange was a good album
even better than word up. The main argument about word up is not that it was
watered down, the song or album was not as good as their earlier albums.
The people here have spoken on a previous thread i started about the top five
cameo albums. Only a few even put word up in the top five. Who cares about the chart success of the album which is primarily your main point. If we went by
chart success we would be fans of the bullshit that is running across radio today. Our generation bought records because they were good not whether or not the album sold 2 million copies.
Trust me save electric lady, no one would ever get cameo confused with confunkshun as both felton pilate or michael cooper are far better vocalists than larry or tomi jenkins. As i stated many times, cameo was inspired by parliament, barkays, and ohio players so there were gonna be some similarities
but each funk band bought their own thing to the table.






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Reply #122 posted 04/05/07 4:58am

SoulAlive

I think 'Word Up' is a decent album but hardly their best.It doesn't even compare to albums like 'Alligator Woman' and 'Knights Of The Sound Table'.

It's odd that the song "Word Up" became their big crossover hit.The song "Alligator Woman" should have been their big pop crossover success,since it's clearly New Wave/pop sounding.The video should have been all over MTV.
Reply #123 posted 04/05/07 5:05am

SoulAlive

Najee said:

SoulAlive said:

There is one Cameo album that I've never heard...their 1983 'Style' album.This is a mysterious album that came and went.In my area,the title track got a little airplay but I never heard anything else from this album.Is it any good? Anybody recommend this album? What are the standout tracks?


"Style" was mostly a replay of the "Alligator Woman" album. The title track was the lead single (a top 20 R&B hit) that was a clone of "Be Yourself." The album also had Cameo making a cover of the Elvis Presley ballad, "Can't Help Falling in Love with You" and a jazz-influenced midtempo song "Aphrodisiac" (basically a a melodic chorus singing a la "Flirt" and in feel a precursor to the song "She's Strange." I personally don't feel you're missing anything here if you have never heard it.



thanks for the info.I listened to the song "Style" yesterday and it is whack disbelief There's a reason why I hardly ever play that song.It is a complete carbon copy of "Be Yourself"...same groove,same music! I can't believe they released such a blatant carbon copy single.Needless to say,finding this album is no big priority for me,lol.I'll eventually track it down,though.
Reply #124 posted 04/05/07 6:29am

NWF

SoulAlive said:

I think 'Word Up' is a decent album but hardly their best.It doesn't even compare to albums like 'Alligator Woman' and 'Knights Of The Sound Table'.

It's odd that the song "Word Up" became their big crossover hit.The song "Alligator Woman" should have been their big pop crossover success,since it's clearly New Wave/pop sounding.The video should have been all over MTV.


"Alligator Woman" probably would've been at hit as well. But you gotta remember that in the early days of MTV, they ran the network like an FM Rock radio station. That meant that they wouldn't give Black artists the time of day. Bastards. rolleyes

But thank goodness Michael Jackson and Prince changed all that. wink
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Reply #125 posted 04/05/07 6:37am

NWF

I will defend to the death the importance of "Word Up". See, that along with the "Single Life" was my introduction to Cameo since I was a child of the 80's. So they crossed over...so what? To me crossing over means that you're getting your message across to a broader audience. And they were bringing their brand of Funk to the masses, and it was great. cool
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Reply #126 posted 04/05/07 6:40am

SoulAlive

a funny story: back in '82 when that song was out,I used to go around singing the lyrics to girls I would see at the mall:

hey lady,whatcha say
How about some fun today
Is it yes,is it no
Whatever it is,just let me know


lol hey,I was in my teens...young and dumb
Reply #127 posted 04/05/07 6:44am

NWF

SoulAlive said:

a funny story: back in '82 when that song was out,I used to go around singing the lyrics to girls I would see at the mall:

hey lady,whatcha say
How about some fun today
Is it yes,is it no
Whatever it is,just let me know


lol hey,I was in my teens...young and dumb


And I'm sure you got many of these talk to the hand

lol
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Reply #128 posted 04/05/07 6:55am

SoulAlive

NWF said:

SoulAlive said:

a funny story: back in '82 when that song was out,I used to go around singing the lyrics to girls I would see at the mall:

hey lady,whatcha say
How about some fun today
Is it yes,is it no
Whatever it is,just let me know


lol hey,I was in my teens...young and dumb


And I'm sure you got many of these talk to the hand

lol


nod lol
Reply #129 posted 04/05/07 7:03am

vainandy

NWF said:

I will defend to the death the importance of "Word Up". See, that along with the "Single Life" was my introduction to Cameo since I was a child of the 80's. So they crossed over...so what? To me crossing over means that you're getting your message across to a broader audience. And they were bringing their brand of Funk to the masses, and it was great. cool


Once the masses are exposed to funk, it's usually not a good thing for future albums coming from the particular group that crossed over. After people crossover, they usually weaken their future music to try to continue to appeal to a large group of people that never cared for funk anyway. The people that get fucked over in the process are the funk lovers because they are getting a weak product.

Just look how Lionel Richie turned out once he got pop success. Hell, Shitney went after the pop audience from day one. Michael Jackson fucked up not only his music but his appearance as well going after a pop audience. Hell, just look how rap turned out once MTV got their hands on it. Even Prince was never as strong again once he got a pop audience. He may have not turned his back on the funk but he made so much money that he could become artsy/fartsy and not worry about his old fans dropping him. I've never seen crossing over as a good thing. I've seen it as a horrible thing.

Actually, I liked radio best when the stations were segregated....not by black or white, but by funk or rock. You did not hear rock on funk stations and you did not hear funk on rock stations. White funkers like Teena Marie were welcome on funk radio but, of course, black rockers like Prince should have been welcome on rock radio. My thing is, keep the genres together on their own stations and if you get in the mood to hear some rock, turn to a rock station. If you get in a funk mood, turn to a funk station. Never mix the two though because then the artists are going to start watering down their music so they can please everyone. Like I've always said...."Make the hardest music you can and if the other side doesn't like it, fuck 'em.".
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #130 posted 04/05/07 7:09am

SoulAlive

vainandy said:



Once the masses are exposed to funk, it's usually not a good thing for future albums coming from the particular group that crossed over. After people crossover, they usually weaken their future music to try to continue to appeal to a large group of people that never cared for funk anyway. The people that get fucked over in the process are the funk lovers because they are getting a weak product.

Just look how Lionel Richie turned out once he got pop success. Hell, Shitney went after the pop audience from day one. Michael Jackson fucked up not only his music but his appearance as well going after a pop audience. Hell, just look how rap turned out once MTV got their hands on it. Even Prince was never as strong again once he got a pop audience. He may have not turned his back on the funk but he made so much money that he could become artsy/fartsy and not worry about his old fans dropping him. I've never seen crossing over as a good thing. I've seen it as a horrible thing.

Actually, I liked radio best when the stations were segregated....not by black or white, but by funk or rock. You did not hear rock on funk stations and you did not hear funk on rock stations. White funkers like Teena Marie were welcome on funk radio but, of course, black rockers like Prince should have been welcome on rock radio. My thing is, keep the genres together on their own stations and if you get in the mood to hear some rock, turn to a rock station. If you get in a funk mood, turn to a funk station. Never mix the two though because then the artists are going to start watering down their music so they can please everyone. Like I've always said...."Make the hardest music you can and if the other side doesn't like it, fuck 'em.".



You make some valid points.Sometimes,crossover success isn't all it's cracked up to be.The pop audience can be very fickle and of course,Cameo never had another big hit after the 'Word Up' album.
Reply #131 posted 04/05/07 11:23am

NWF

vainandy said:



Once the masses are exposed to funk, it's usually not a good thing for future albums coming from the particular group that crossed over. After people crossover, they usually weaken their future music to try to continue to appeal to a large group of people that never cared for funk anyway. The people that get fucked over in the process are the funk lovers because they are getting a weak product.

Just look how Lionel Richie turned out once he got pop success. Hell, Shitney went after the pop audience from day one. Michael Jackson fucked up not only his music but his appearance as well going after a pop audience. Hell, just look how rap turned out once MTV got their hands on it. Even Prince was never as strong again once he got a pop audience. He may have not turned his back on the funk but he made so much money that he could become artsy/fartsy and not worry about his old fans dropping him. I've never seen crossing over as a good thing. I've seen it as a horrible thing.

Actually, I liked radio best when the stations were segregated....not by black or white, but by funk or rock. You did not hear rock on funk stations and you did not hear funk on rock stations. White funkers like Teena Marie were welcome on funk radio but, of course, black rockers like Prince should have been welcome on rock radio. My thing is, keep the genres together on their own stations and if you get in the mood to hear some rock, turn to a rock station. If you get in a funk mood, turn to a funk station. Never mix the two though because then the artists are going to start watering down their music so they can please everyone. Like I've always said...."Make the hardest music you can and if the other side doesn't like it, fuck 'em.".



disbelief OK, See I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with you here. There's nothing wrong with crossing over and incorporating other genres into one's music if the results are good. I think the best artists are ones who don't stick to one formula: Prince, Cameo, Talking Heads, P-Funk, David Bowie, Lenny Kravitz, Chili Peppers, The Clash, Beck, Scritti Politti, Paul Weller, Outkast, Michael Jackson, etc.

What you're basically saying is that music shouldn't be diversified and should be formatted into separate genres. Maybe you personally would like for that but I'm a very musically moody person. I can't just be into one thing at a time. I like it when artists mix things up and create new sounds out of whatever hybrids. And I don't think that when these artists want to try different sounds or happen to cross over they water down their sound, especially if their music is good. And it's not like they're trying to turn their back on their old audience. They just wanna expand and allow the listener to explore their new directions. For example, you're saying that when Prince crossed over with "Purple Rain" and "Around The World..." you're accusing him of being "artsy-fartsy" and stuff. Obviously you missed the point of where he was coming from by stereotyping his sound. His music was still pretty funky and catchy. Just because he added elements of Psychedelic Pop, Jazz, Classical, Worldbeat, etc. doesn't mean it didn't sound good. I thought what he did was brilliant. It made him unpredictable and daring.

The best artists are the ones who step outside the box and explore new things. It gives you the anticipation of seeing what they'll do next. I mean, if they kep on doing the same thing over and over again then it's just gonna sound stale and boring. As far as the FUNK! Well, it's great for what it is, but it isn't everything. And if a Funk band like Cameo wants to add some Pop or Rock to their sound then that's fine. They probably should've re-invented themselves after "Word Up" which would've made them not make the mistake of sounding stale afterwards. I'll admit that they did kinda go downhill from there. But that was because they kept trying to emulate themselves instead of trying different new things.

I hate it so much when people aren't willing to give their heroes a chance to cahnge and become successful with it. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with crossing over if the music works and the artists become successful as a result. Isn't success what all artists strive for anyways? wink

But then again I can kinda see your point. Some artists just completely sell-out and lose their way at some point (No Doubt, Black Eyed Peas, etc.). But I think that may have to do with the artists selfish desire for more financial gain. But that's just me. But I mentioned that there are artists such as the aforementioned that are great in whatever style they play. If a Funk band wants to rock, let 'em rock. headbang


Just like Funkadelic sang, "Who says a Funk band can't play Rock...?"
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Reply #132 posted 04/05/07 2:01pm

NWF

Oh yeah, my friend who is my favorite DJ tells me that back in the day when he was living in Arizona, he used to see Larry ride his motorcycle often. Interesting, especially since Cameo was based in NY and the ATL. shrug
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Reply #133 posted 04/05/07 2:23pm

vainandy

NWF said:

disbelief OK, See I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with you here. There's nothing wrong with crossing over and incorporating other genres into one's music if the results are good.


That's the keyword...if it's "good". Most of the time it's not.

Having a strong funk song like "Sexy Dancer" and a strong rock song like "Bambi" on the same album is fine. Both are different genres but strong and true to each genre. Even combining the elements on a song like The Isley Brothers "Livin' In The Life" is fine also. They are combined but both are equally as strong.

When it becomes fucked up is when you weaken the funk elements such as drums, bass, rhythm, etc. or whatever it is that makes a song funky because a pop audience might not like the song because it sounds "too black". Racism existed in the 1980s and many pop listeners would not buy a song if it sounded "too black". I have a problem with R&B acts watering down their music to please people like that.

If an artist like Tina Turner wants to make rock tracks like "Better Be Good To Me" and "Simply The Best", that's fine. She kept them straight rock and didn't try to make an R&B song that would please a pop audience. If R&B audiences didn't like the song, that's fine, it wasn't for them because it wasn't R&B to begin with. A black artist doesn't have to stick with strictly R&B just because they are black.

When you get folks like Shitney Houston though, that little boring ass tries to get money from both audiences so she waters down R&B so the pop audience will like it. The end result is a weak product for both audiences.

What you're basically saying is that music shouldn't be diversified and should be formatted into separate genres. Maybe you personally would like for that but I'm a very musically moody person. I can't just be into one thing at a time. I like it when artists mix things up and create new sounds out of whatever hybrids.


I like different things also but, when I'm in a mood, I'm in that mood. I don't want to hear a funk song, then follow it by a rock song, then follow it by a slow song. I want to hear maybe 30 minutes of funk around the same tempo, slow it down with maybe two or three songs in a row, and speed the tempo back up again for another 30 or 40 minutes. When I'm a horny whore, then I like to hear all slow stuff. When I'm mad as hell, I like to hear all rock. It's just according to what mood I'm in. I usually like my music in blocks. With different stations of all one format, you can switch stations when your mood changes.


For example, you're saying that when Prince crossed over with "Purple Rain" and "Around The World..." you're accusing him of being "artsy-fartsy" and stuff. Obviously you missed the point of where he was coming from by stereotyping his sound. His music was still pretty funky and catchy. Just because he added elements of Psychedelic Pop, Jazz, Classical, Worldbeat, etc. doesn't mean it didn't sound good. I thought what he did was brilliant. It made him unpredictable and daring.


Prince never watered his down. He simply switched gears altogether. All I'm simply saying is that he could never have afforded to do that back when he had a mostly R&B audience. So for that reason, yes, I would have preferred if he never gained a pop audience. Why would I want him to be able to afford to stop making what I want to hear? As for "Well, that's what Prince wants", I'm consumer, I'm more concerned with what I want, not what Prince wants. By the way, I love the stuff after the style change. I'm not going to lie though, I prefer the stuff before the style change and would love to have had about 4 or 5 more years of it until R&B music changed as a whole.
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Reply #134 posted 04/05/07 4:18pm

woogiebear

WAYNE COOPER REST IN PEACE!!!!! OTHER THAN "WHY HAVE I LOST YOU", HE KICKS ASS ON THE SONG "TWO OF US" FROM THE "UGLY EGO" LP (1978). AND ACTUALLY, THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF "WHY HAVE I LOST YOU" IS ON "WE ALL KNOW WHO WE ARE". I GIVE THAT ONE THE NOD OVER THE VERSION ON "CAMEOSIS"!!!!!

ANOTHER QUESTION IS WHERE IS FORMER KEYBOARDIST GREGORY JOHNSON?????
Reply #135 posted 04/05/07 4:21pm

woogiebear

ThePunisher said:

Yes!, CAMEO! I was in Jr High at the time. A bunch of us were outside playing Basketball at the park, This dude came with a Boom-Box, Turned it on, And "Shake Your Pants" started playing. Dude with the ball stopped the game and said "That Song is BAAAAAD!! "Who's this By?" "CAMEO". That was my introduction to the band. I love the bassline to "CAMEOSIS" whoever played bass on that track, Tore it up!


AARON MILLS!!!!! HE ALSO PLAYS ON "MS. JACKSON" BY OUTKAST!!!!!
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Reply #136 posted 04/05/07 8:13pm

Najee

phunkdaddy said:

"No one claimed she's strange,single life,to be watered down,however;those albums especially single life wasn't as strong as their earlier albums. Only side 1 of the single life album was relevant. She's strange was a good album even better than word up."


To tell the truth, I found only "Alligator Woman" to be a complete album from their discography. "Single Life" was little more than a two-song album, but albums such as "Ugly Ego" were also uneven. And at least "Single Life" was an attempt to try more diverse songs such as "Little Boys, Dangerous Toys" and "Urban Warrior;" albums such as "We All Know Who We Are" were basically in the same locked-in sound.

phunkdaddy said:

"The main argument about word up is not that it was watered down, the song or album was not as good as their earlier albums. The people here have spoken on a previous thread i started about the top five cameo albums. Only a few even put word up in the top five."


Not that I would call that a scientific poll, and I've read some other comments on this board that made me scratch their head. You also have the same people gravitating to the same threads, and if you have several people saying the same thing I guess it does sound like a "consensus."

phunkdaddy said:

"Who cares about the chart success of the album which is primarily your main point. If we went by chart success we would be fans of the bullshit that is running across radio today."


The only person who keeps harping on "chart success" is you. In fact, you bring it up and then "smack it down" as a strawman argument. I've never said anything about "Word Up!" save that it seems to be a reason for some people to dislike it.

Wow, "Word Up!" sold 1 million copies -- which means is slightly more than what albums like "Single Life," "Alligator Woman," "Feel Me," "Knights of the Sound Table" did. I'm challenging this argument that "Word Up!" was a lesser album because Cameo stripped down its band.


phunkdaddy said:

"Trust me save electric lady, no one would ever get cameo confused with confunkshun as both felton pilate or michael cooper are far better vocalists than larry or tomi jenkins."


No, what I said is that Cameo was too similar to acts like The Bar-Kays and Con Funk Shun, in that same style of music. Where Cameo started differentiating itself from these acts is when Larry Blackmon slashed the group and started moving away from its same old locked-in sound its peers were stuck doing.
THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
Reply #137 posted 04/06/07 9:57am

phunkdaddy

All in all, cameo is still one of my favorite funk bands najee.
I understand you like the alligator woman and word up albums best.
Did you buy emotional violence? When that single came out, i was like yeah then when i bought it, I was like aw hell naw.
I bought the promo of their last release sweet sexy thing back in 2000
for 5 dollars. I actually dig it. My favorite from the album is you make me
crazy which they played at the last show i saw them perform in 2002. They are
great live. Have you seen cameo perform live?

I am shocked i thought word up actually moved 2 million units because it was
popular across the board.
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Reply #138 posted 04/07/07 1:38pm

PFunkjazz

Cameo had a tremendous influence on Miles Davis' 80s band. Davis modeled his band after first-hand observances of Cameo (though I'm more inclined to say PFunk).

Miles was into the music of Cameo and the group attended Miles's 62nd birthday party. Miles also said that Cameo had influenced his live act. "I learn from Prince and Cameo," said Miles. "I like the way Cameo does their live shows....Seeing the way Cameo featured the other musicians first helped me do the same thing in my shows."


THE LAST MILES - George Cole pg 430
http://thelastmiles.com/

Cole also cites that Vince Wilburn Jr, Miles' nephew and a drummer, played with Miles on his initial return from retirement (MWTH '80/81)


and later again, after a stint with Cameo, from '83 to '85 on DECOY and YUA.



Wilburn is currently involved in a project to integrate the music of Miles Davis with hip-hop artists. Along with cousins, Erin and Cheryl, they comprise The Miles Davis Estate.

http://www.jazzreview.com/article/review-5292.html
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Reply #139 posted 04/07/07 4:45pm

ThreadBare

A couple of years ago, I joined a band with an old college chum of mine. It was to be a funk act with singers. When drawing up songs to learn, we paused once and were like: "What to do from Cameo?" We settled on "Candy." That song just can't be topped for groovability. The riff alone catches people's ears. It rocks!!!

In their prime, they were the truth, for real.
Reply #140 posted 04/07/07 6:13pm

Najee

phunkdaddy said:

I understand you like the alligator woman and word up albums best.


I NEVER SAID I LIKED "WORD UP!" THE BEST AMONG CAMEO'S ALBUMS! Will you get that out of your head?!?! I challenged this assumption the album (and particularly the title track) was some watered-down attempt by Cameo to reach some crossover audience, when IMO "Word Up!" was as good as any song the band ever made.

As I said before, the "Word Up!" album wasn't inferior to most of the group's other albums and it was the only album where the band was able to sustain a string of hit songs -- the title track and "Candy" were No. 1 singles on the Billboard R&B singles charts and "Back and Forth" was in the top three.

I also challenged this assumption that "Word Up!" was watered-down because it was a top 10 pop hit. IMO, that's silly because if that was the case then "Single Life" (a song generally considered one of Cameo's best) was equally watered-down, because "Word Up!" was its musical derivative -- and it's really contradictory because "Single Life" did not cross over.

Also, this assertion by you and vainandy that soul songs that cross over "must have been watered down to appeal to non-soul fans (i.e. white people)." That's not always the case, and I can name plenty of the most definitive soul songs that were pop hits.

I doubt anyone is going to call Aretha Franklin's "Respect" watered down. Virtually every Marvin Gaye single (especially in the 1970s) was a pop hit -- "What's Going On," "Let's Get It On," "Got to Give It Up" were No. 1 pop singles. One of The Isley Brothers' definitive songs -- "Fight the Power"-- was a top five pop hit, and I've never heard anyone call that song "watered down." The list goes on from there.


phunkdaddy said:

Did you buy emotional violence? When that single came out, i was like yeah then when i bought it, I was like aw hell naw.


By that point, Cameo was finished creatively. The soul music scene also had moved away from funk by the early 1990s.

phunkdaddy said:

I am shocked i thought word up actually moved 2 million units because it was popular across the board.


I can't verify that because the RIAA's Web site is down, but I don't recall "Word Up!" selling that many units by the end of its commercial run. I would not be surprised if it was more than 2 million in units sold today.
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Reply #141 posted 04/10/07 2:07pm

vainandy

Najee said:

Also, this assertion by you and vainandy that soul songs that cross over "must have been watered down to appeal to non-soul fans (i.e. white people)." That's not always the case, and I can name plenty of the most definitive soul songs that were pop hits.


No, not all the time. Just most of the time.

I doubt anyone is going to call Aretha Franklin's "Respect" watered down. Virtually every Marvin Gaye single (especially in the 1970s) was a pop hit -- "What's Going On," "Let's Get It On," "Got to Give It Up" were No. 1 pop singles. One of The Isley Brothers' definitive songs -- "Fight the Power"-- was a top five pop hit, and I've never heard anyone call that song "watered down." The list goes on from there.


Those weren't from the 1980s either. The 1980s was the era when stuff had to be watered down to crossover. The pop world had such a strong hatred for disco in the 1980s and a lot of them considered anything black and uptempo in the 1980s as disco (something they hated and despised). Just look at the new disco compilations that have been coming out in the last few years. They have included uptempo jams from the 1980s such as "Let It Whip" that came years after disco's death.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #142 posted 04/10/07 2:29pm

NWF

vainandy said:

Najee said:

Also, this assertion by you and vainandy that soul songs that cross over "must have been watered down to appeal to non-soul fans (i.e. white people)." That's not always the case, and I can name plenty of the most definitive soul songs that were pop hits.


No, not all the time. Just most of the time.

I doubt anyone is going to call Aretha Franklin's "Respect" watered down. Virtually every Marvin Gaye single (especially in the 1970s) was a pop hit -- "What's Going On," "Let's Get It On," "Got to Give It Up" were No. 1 pop singles. One of The Isley Brothers' definitive songs -- "Fight the Power"-- was a top five pop hit, and I've never heard anyone call that song "watered down." The list goes on from there.


Those weren't from the 1980s either. The 1980s was the era when stuff had to be watered down to crossover. The pop world had such a strong hatred for disco in the 1980s and a lot of them considered anything black and uptempo in the 1980s as disco (something they hated and despised). Just look at the new disco compilations that have been coming out in the last few years. They have included uptempo jams from the 1980s such as "Let It Whip" that came years after disco's death.


I'll agree with you on that. A lot of the Funk groups like The Dazz Band, Gap Band, Midnight Star, etc. unfortunately got lumped into the "Disco" category.
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Reply #143 posted 04/10/07 3:27pm

phunkdaddy

Najee said:

phunkdaddy said:

I understand you like the alligator woman and word up albums best.


I NEVER SAID I LIKED "WORD UP!" THE BEST AMONG CAMEO'S ALBUMS! Will you get that out of your head?!?! I challenged this assumption the album (and particularly the title track) was some watered-down attempt by Cameo to reach some crossover audience, when IMO "Word Up!" was as good as any song the band ever made.

As I said before, the "Word Up!" album wasn't inferior to most of the group's other albums and it was the only album where the band was able to sustain a string of hit songs -- the title track and "Candy" were No. 1 singles on the Billboard R&B singles charts and "Back and Forth" was in the top three.

I also challenged this assumption that "Word Up!" was watered-down because it was a top 10 pop hit. IMO, that's silly because if that was the case then "Single Life" (a song generally considered one of Cameo's best) was equally watered-down, because "Word Up!" was its musical derivative -- and it's really contradictory because "Single Life" did not cross over.

Also, this assertion by you and vainandy that soul songs that cross over "must have been watered down to appeal to non-soul fans (i.e. white people)." That's not always the case, and I can name plenty of the most definitive soul songs that were pop hits.

I doubt anyone is going to call Aretha Franklin's "Respect" watered down. Virtually every Marvin Gaye single (especially in the 1970s) was a pop hit -- "What's Going On," "Let's Get It On," "Got to Give It Up" were No. 1 pop singles. One of The Isley Brothers' definitive songs -- "Fight the Power"-- was a top five pop hit, and I've never heard anyone call that song "watered down." The list goes on from there.




By that point, Cameo was finished creatively. The soul music scene also had moved away from funk by the early 1990s.

phunkdaddy said:

I am shocked i thought word up actually moved 2 million units because it was popular across the board.


I can't verify that because the RIAA's Web site is down, but I don't recall "Word Up!" selling that many units by the end of its commercial run. I would not be surprised if it was more than 2 million in units sold today.
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No dude i never insinuated that word up was watered down because it crossed over. I stated that it was watered down particularly back and forth and candy
compared to earlier cameo records. Janet's control album was happening around
the same time and it was just as funky as ever. Jimmy and Terry admitted they were just expecting the album to go gold and reach just every fan of r&b music but since it reached the pop audience it was cool just as long as it was understood as producers their goal was to reach the r&b audience. I never said that just because an r&b record crosses over it is watered down. I never called whitney or shitney, as vainandy calls her, a sellout because truthfully i have never been a fan of hers. She could sing her ass off but i always found her music boring until she did the heartbreak hotel joint with kelly price and
faith evans.
Reply #144 posted 04/13/07 6:40am

chewwsey

StarMon said:

funkpill said:




He wrote and produce Bobby Brown's Girl Next Door

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Some more of his signature production for other artist.



Cashflow: Cashflow, *Big Money (Atlanta Artist, 1986,*1988)
Charles Earland: Earland's Jam (CBS, 1982)
Eddie Murphy: So Happy (Columbia, 1989)
George Howard: Personal (MCA, 1989)
LA. Connection: Connection feat. Cameo (MCA, 1982)
Mantra: Mantra (Casablanca, 1981)
Miki Howard: Miki Howard (Atlantic, 1989)
Reddings: If Looks Could Kill (Polydor, 1985)
Tomi Jenkins: Tomi (Atlanta Artists, 1989)

yes
nipsy
Reply #145 posted 04/13/07 5:35pm

Thumparello

Cameo/Funkadelic had some tight ass funk! Then they grew into their own...


Word up eek

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