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Thread started 09/28/06 9:56am

vainandy

Solo artists that started in a group need to stay in a group....

From what I've seen, almost every time an artist that was originally in a group and goes solo, the music is never as good afterwards for that artist and the group he or she left.

For instance, look at Lionel Richie solo compared to with The Commodores. All funk left Lionel's body. The same goes for Charlie Wilson of The Gap Band and Babyface from The Deele. It's like they lose all their rhythm and become a balladeer. If they do an uptempo song, it's usually something weak and poppy.

Michael Jackson did very well on his own but his best and hardest stuff is with his brothers. Chaka Khan did some pretty good stuff on her own also but I still prefer her stuff with Rufus. Even artists like Jesse Johnson, who did some hard jammin' stuff, I still like the stuff with The Time better.

Even people who were solo artists to begin with such as Prince and Rick James. They need people around them that influence them for the better. Prince was much better with Andre and Dez around and Rick was much better with The Stone City Band around.

It seems like when one person is completely in control of the music, they will fuck it up every time. They need other folks around to bring out their good parts and shoot down their weak points. What do you guys think?
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Reply #1 posted 09/28/06 10:03am

jayaredee

Janet?
Reply #2 posted 09/28/06 10:12am

vainandy

jayaredee said:

Janet?


She was always solo, except maybe for the little guest appearances on the family's TV show. lol
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #3 posted 09/28/06 10:13am

MikeMatronik

vainandy said:



She was always solo, except maybe for the little guest appearances on the family's TV show. lol


She was the shadow member of the jackson 5... cool
Reply #4 posted 09/28/06 10:16am

jayaredee

Another Janet thread clapping

I'm sorry Andy for jacking your thread, but it's Janet's big week so i hope you understand.
Reply #5 posted 09/28/06 11:43am

namepeace

ARGUABLY, this applies to artists across the board. is Sting's music, as good as it is, better than the Police's output? Is Diana Ross better without the Supremes?

The only example I can think of, off the top of the dome, that was better solo, is Michael Jackson.
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Reply #6 posted 09/28/06 11:44am

Tom

Billy Corgan comes to mind. I wasn't crazy about the Thom Yorke album either.
Reply #7 posted 09/28/06 12:01pm

sextonseven

vainandy said:

From what I've seen, almost every time an artist that was originally in a group and goes solo, the music is never as good afterwards for that artist and the group he or she left.

For instance, look at Lionel Richie solo compared to with The Commodores. All funk left Lionel's body. The same goes for Charlie Wilson of The Gap Band and Babyface from The Deele. It's like they lose all their rhythm and become a balladeer. If they do an uptempo song, it's usually something weak and poppy.

Michael Jackson did very well on his own but his best and hardest stuff is with his brothers. Chaka Khan did some pretty good stuff on her own also but I still prefer her stuff with Rufus. Even artists like Jesse Johnson, who did some hard jammin' stuff, I still like the stuff with The Time better.

Even people who were solo artists to begin with such as Prince and Rick James. They need people around them that influence them for the better. Prince was much better with Andre and Dez around and Rick was much better with The Stone City Band around.

It seems like when one person is completely in control of the music, they will fuck it up every time. They need other folks around to bring out their good parts and shoot down their weak points. What do you guys think?
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The one person with which I will have to disagree is Jesse. I mean how much did he (or any of the other Time members) contribute on those first three albums? I think I heard "Jungle Love" is his song and maybe "My Drawers"(?) but after that, what? Did Jesse even play at all on the first two albums?
Reply #8 posted 09/28/06 12:06pm

vainandy

sextonseven said:

vainandy said:

From what I've seen, almost every time an artist that was originally in a group and goes solo, the music is never as good afterwards for that artist and the group he or she left.

For instance, look at Lionel Richie solo compared to with The Commodores. All funk left Lionel's body. The same goes for Charlie Wilson of The Gap Band and Babyface from The Deele. It's like they lose all their rhythm and become a balladeer. If they do an uptempo song, it's usually something weak and poppy.

Michael Jackson did very well on his own but his best and hardest stuff is with his brothers. Chaka Khan did some pretty good stuff on her own also but I still prefer her stuff with Rufus. Even artists like Jesse Johnson, who did some hard jammin' stuff, I still like the stuff with The Time better.

Even people who were solo artists to begin with such as Prince and Rick James. They need people around them that influence them for the better. Prince was much better with Andre and Dez around and Rick was much better with The Stone City Band around.

It seems like when one person is completely in control of the music, they will fuck it up every time. They need other folks around to bring out their good parts and shoot down their weak points. What do you guys think?
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[Edited 9/28/06 11:46am]


The one person with which I will have to disagree is Jesse. I mean how much did he (or any of the other Time members) contribute on those first three albums? I think I heard "Jungle Love" is his song and maybe "My Drawers"(?) but after that, what? Did Jesse even play at all on the first two albums?


I can understand Jesse leaving because he wasn't able to contribute as much as he wanted and the whole band was made to feel as if they were Prince's puppets. I only mentioned him because I like The Time's albums better than his. I will hand it to Jesse though, he had great solo albums that were hard and full of funk. Most folks that leave and go solo go the boring ass ballad or pop route.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #9 posted 09/28/06 12:09pm

Xavier23

Gwen stefani
Rob Thomas
Beyonce
etc.
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Reply #10 posted 09/28/06 12:12pm

vainandy

Patti LaBelle was much better with LaBelle than solo. Keep that "Somebody Loves You" shit and give me some more stuff like "Lady Marmalade". lol.
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Reply #11 posted 09/28/06 12:16pm

sextonseven

vainandy said:

Patti LaBelle was much better with LaBelle than solo. Keep that "Somebody Loves You" shit and give me some more stuff like "Lady Marmalade". lol.
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I remember when "If Only You Knew" was all over R&B radio for the longest time. I couldn't stand that song! lol
Reply #12 posted 09/28/06 12:24pm

vainandy

sextonseven said:

vainandy said:

Patti LaBelle was much better with LaBelle than solo. Keep that "Somebody Loves You" shit and give me some more stuff like "Lady Marmalade". lol.
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I remember when "If Only You Knew" was all over R&B radio for the longest time. I couldn't stand that song! lol


I was OK with that one.

I don't know if you are familiar with the song "Joy To Have Your Love". Is that Patti solo or with LaBelle. I'd love some more stuff like that.
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Reply #13 posted 09/28/06 12:33pm

Xavier23

sextonseven said:

vainandy said:

Patti LaBelle was much better with LaBelle than solo. Keep that "Somebody Loves You" shit and give me some more stuff like "Lady Marmalade". lol.
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I remember when "If Only You Knew" was all over R&B radio for the longest time. I couldn't stand that song! lol

whats wrong with "if only you knew" the best part of that song is coming on to the ned when she does that iiiifffff only you knew how much i care for you. that shit is magical
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Reply #14 posted 09/28/06 12:34pm

sextonseven

vainandy said:



I was OK with that one.

I don't know if you are familiar with the song "Joy To Have Your Love". Is that Patti solo or with LaBelle. I'd love some more stuff like that.


Don't know that one.

"If Only You Knew" was the first Patti solo song I ever heard since that was around the time I started listening to radio. The followup "Love Need And Want You", even though it was top 10 R&B I think, didn't get that much airplay in NYC. Damn stations were stuck on the first single for months. But I can see why that song doesn't bother you so much. It's more of an old school type ballad before Whitney hit the scene in the mid-80s and changed everything.
Reply #15 posted 09/28/06 12:38pm

vainandy

sextonseven said:

vainandy said:



I was OK with that one.

I don't know if you are familiar with the song "Joy To Have Your Love". Is that Patti solo or with LaBelle. I'd love some more stuff like that.


Don't know that one.

"If Only You Knew" was the first Patti solo song I ever heard since that was around the time I started listening to radio. The followup "Love Need And Want You", even though it was top 10 R&B I think, didn't get that much airplay in NYC. Damn stations were stuck on the first single for months. But I can see why that song doesn't bother you so much. It's more of an old school type ballad before Whitney hit the scene in the mid-80s and changed everything.


Exactly! There was lots of slow jams I liked before her. After her, I liked very few because everyone was making her type of slow songs which were boring as hell.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #16 posted 09/28/06 1:03pm

funkpill

Sly...


Wasn't the same after the original Family Stone broke up.


He had energy when he was with them biggrin
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Reply #17 posted 09/28/06 1:07pm

vainandy

funkpill said:

Sly...


Wasn't the same after the original Family Stone broke up.


He had energy when he was with them biggrin


I didn't know he did any solo stuff.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #18 posted 09/28/06 1:10pm

sextonseven

vainandy said:



Exactly! There was lots of slow jams I liked before her. After her, I liked very few because everyone was making her type of slow songs which were boring as hell.


Klymaxx's "I Miss You" was one of those ballads that I thought was Whitney-like even though it was recorded before Whitney released her first album. I liked Klymaxx's funky songs (The Men All Pause, Meeting In The Ladies Room, Lock And Key, Sexy, Divas Need Love Too), but hated their ballads. Fenderella didn't have that much solo success.
Reply #19 posted 09/28/06 1:27pm

vainandy

sextonseven said:

vainandy said:



Exactly! There was lots of slow jams I liked before her. After her, I liked very few because everyone was making her type of slow songs which were boring as hell.


Klymaxx's "I Miss You" was one of those ballads that I thought was Whitney-like even though it was recorded before Whitney released her first album. I liked Klymaxx's funky songs (The Men All Pause, Meeting In The Ladies Room, Lock And Key, Sexy, Divas Need Love Too), but hated their ballads. Fenderella didn't have that much solo success.


I liked "I Miss You". I don't think that sounded Shitney-like at all. I liked very few slow songs beginning with 1985. A few I liked that come to mind were:

Anything by Surface
All Cried Out - Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam
For Lisa For Love - LA Dream Team
Anything by Prince and his protegees.

Other than that, I can't think of any slow songs I liked during that time period. I hated the newcomers at the time like Anita Baker, Freddie Jackson, and Mikki Howard. Everything during that era seemed to be along those lines.

I used used to love earlier slow jams by the funk groups such as Cameo, Con-Funk-Shun, The Barkays, Midnight Star, etc. They had a more ...."after midnight, pick a stranger up a club, and sleep with them" ....type sound. The slow songs of the late 1980s had an adult contemporary friendly ...."my mama even likes that song".... type feel to them. lol
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Reply #20 posted 09/28/06 1:28pm

funkpill

vainandy said:



I didn't know he did any solo stuff.



He did one album under his name.

Others are under The Family Stone name, but you can tell

its an solo album.
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Reply #21 posted 09/28/06 1:30pm

ThePunisher

I got someone for you Andy. How about Teddy Pendergrass? He was good with Harold Melvoin & The Blue Notes" But his music stayed very FUNKY after he went solo. Sadly, I think his best stuff was made before the car accident.
Reply #22 posted 09/28/06 1:32pm

vainandy

ThePunisher said:

I got someone for you Andy. How about Teddy Pendergrass? He was good with Harold Melvoin & The Blue Notes" But his music stayed very FUNKY after he went solo. Sadly, I think his best stuff was made before the car accident.


Yeah, he was good. There are always exceptions. I LOVE "Get Down, Get Funky, Get Loose". "Love TKO" was pretty good too.

Ray Parker, Jr. needed to be slapped and forced back into Raydio. lol
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #23 posted 09/28/06 1:35pm

funkpill

vainandy said:



Yeah, he was good. There are always exceptions. I LOVE "Get Down, Get Funky, Get Loose". "Love TKO" was pretty good too.

Ray Parker, Jr. needed to be slapped and forced back into Raydio. lol




TAWK!!!


biggrin
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Reply #24 posted 09/28/06 1:37pm

funkpill

How about James 'JT' Taylor of Kool & The Gang??? hmmm


He always comes to mind on topics like this..
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Reply #25 posted 09/28/06 1:39pm

vainandy

funkpill said:

vainandy said:



Yeah, he was good. There are always exceptions. I LOVE "Get Down, Get Funky, Get Loose". "Love TKO" was pretty good too.

Ray Parker, Jr. needed to be slapped and forced back into Raydio. lol




TAWK!!!


biggrin


For someone who went from making jams like "For Those Who Like To Groove", "Still In The Groove", and "Hot Stuff" to resort to making something like "Ghostbusters"....he needed his ass beat. lol
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Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #26 posted 09/28/06 1:41pm

funkpill

vainandy said:



For someone who went from making jams like "For Those Who Like To Groove", "Still In The Groove", and "Hot Stuff" to resort to making something like "Ghostbusters"....ne needed his ass beat. lol



nod yup


Sold out big time!!! lol
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Reply #27 posted 09/28/06 1:44pm

vainandy

funkpill said:

How about James 'JT' Taylor of Kool & The Gang??? hmmm


He always comes to mind on topics like this..


I think I remember him doing a solo project also in the 1990s. Like they used to say on "In Living Color"....."Hated it!" lol
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Reply #28 posted 09/28/06 1:44pm

sextonseven

vainandy said:



For someone who went from making jams like "For Those Who Like To Groove", "Still In The Groove", and "Hot Stuff" to resort to making something like "Ghostbusters"....he needed his ass beat. lol
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Is "The Other Woman" Ray Parker solo? I like that song.
Reply #29 posted 09/28/06 1:45pm

funkpill

vainandy said:



I think I remember him doing a solo project also in the 1990s. Like they used to say on "In Living Color"....."Hated it!" lol




It just goes to show that some people aren't meant

to go solo... biggrin
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Reply #30 posted 09/28/06 1:45pm

sextonseven

vainandy said:



Yeah, he was good. There are always exceptions. I LOVE "Get Down, Get Funky, Get Loose". "Love TKO" was pretty good too.


"Love TKO" is hot. nod
Reply #31 posted 09/28/06 1:46pm

sextonseven

How does Jeffrey Osborne compare with LTD?
Reply #32 posted 09/28/06 1:46pm

vainandy

sextonseven said:

vainandy said:



For someone who went from making jams like "For Those Who Like To Groove", "Still In The Groove", and "Hot Stuff" to resort to making something like "Ghostbusters"....he needed his ass beat. lol
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Is "The Other Woman" Ray Parker solo? I like that song.


That's solo. I like that one too as well as "Don't Let Go" from the same album. Another solo one I like is "Invasion" from his 1983 album, "Woman Out Of Control". Still for me, nothing beats that Raydio stuff though.
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Reply #33 posted 09/28/06 1:48pm

vainandy

sextonseven said:

How does Jeffrey Osborne compare with LTD?


I didn't care for much of his solo stuff at all. I like "Baby Stay With Me Tonight" and that's about it. I didn't like it enough to buy it though. lol
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Reply #34 posted 09/28/06 1:50pm

funkpill

sextonseven said:

How does Jeffrey Osborne compare with LTD?




I think with LTD, he was great..


Other than his brother, Billy

and some baled-headed brotha' name Onion Miller

who knew the rest of em'?? lol
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Reply #35 posted 09/28/06 2:07pm

phunkdaddy

I agree with this thread to an extent. However; guys like lionel and
babyface were just too talented as songwriters and producers to be
held back. Same goes for jeffery osborne. I think what happened in
the 80's a lot of lead singers left their bands because the music
landscape changed and they saw it as opportunity to make money. It
worked for some lead singers and others like mary davis of the s.o.s band,
skip martin of the dazz band,and tawatha agee of mtume it just did not
work. You had lead singers of pop or rock bands in the 80's like
mick jagger, darryl hall,and phil collins who would do their solo
project on the side but they would always remain loyal to their band.
Reply #36 posted 09/28/06 2:11pm

Adisa

Bobby Brown (and BBD) was better without New Edition, but that ain't saying much.
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Reply #37 posted 09/28/06 2:17pm

phunkdaddy

funkpill said:

sextonseven said:

How does Jeffrey Osborne compare with LTD?




I think with LTD, he was great..


Other than his brother, Billy

and some baled-headed brotha' name Onion Miller

who knew the rest of em'?? lol


Onion Miller. lol lol

I barely remember reading the back of their album
covers and reading his name. Yeah LTD joints were
definitely better than jeffrey's solo stuff.
Favorite LTD jams were love ballad,back in love again,
party hearty, we both deserve each other's love, jam,
and concentrate on you.

when we party we party hearty
when we boogie we boogie boogie lol
Reply #38 posted 09/28/06 2:18pm

vainandy

Adisa said:

Bobby Brown (and BBD) was better without New Edition, but that ain't saying much.



I like Bobby Brown and BBD's work better than New Edition's work once they got with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis as producers. My favorite New Edition is the first album that Maurice Starr produced. The second one with "Cool It Now" was alright but I hated the album that was produced by Jam and Lewis. That was kind of the mellow side of Jam and Lewis (which I didn't like) like a lot of Alexander O'Neil's songs. If Jam and Lewis had given them a hardcore jam like "Innocent", I would have loved it. lol
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Reply #39 posted 09/28/06 2:21pm

vainandy

phunkdaddy said:

funkpill said:





I think with LTD, he was great..


Other than his brother, Billy

and some baled-headed brotha' name Onion Miller

who knew the rest of em'?? lol


Onion Miller. lol lol

I barely remember reading the back of their album
covers and reading his name. Yeah LTD joints were
definitely better than jeffrey's solo stuff.
Favorite LTD jams were love ballad,back in love again,
party hearty, we both deserve each other's love, jam,
and concentrate on you.

when we party we party hearty
when we boogie we boogie boogie lol


I love a lot of LTD's stuff but actually my favorite jam of their's is after Jeffrey Osborne left the group....."Kickin' Back". That jam is a pure ass shaker!
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #40 posted 09/28/06 2:24pm

Adisa

vainandy said:




I like Bobby Brown and BBD's work better than New Edition's work once they got with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis as producers. My favorite New Edition is the first album that Maurice Starr produced. The second one with "Cool It Now" was alright but I hated the album that was produced by Jam and Lewis. That was kind of the mellow side of Jam and Lewis (which I didn't like) like a lot of Alexander O'Neil's songs. If Jam and Lewis had given them a hardcore jam like "Innocent", I would have loved it. lol
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Agree, kinda. I think the second album is the best. But you know we're in the minority on this forum, right?
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Reply #41 posted 09/28/06 2:26pm

vainandy

And now, speaking of groups who continue recording after one of the main members leave.....The Commodores' "Night Shift" and "Goin' To The Bank" (or whatever the hell that song is called) is far from the days of jams like "Brick House", "Machine Gun", "Too Hot Ta Trot", or "Slippery When Wet".
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Reply #42 posted 09/28/06 2:27pm

vainandy

Adisa said:

vainandy said:




I like Bobby Brown and BBD's work better than New Edition's work once they got with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis as producers. My favorite New Edition is the first album that Maurice Starr produced. The second one with "Cool It Now" was alright but I hated the album that was produced by Jam and Lewis. That was kind of the mellow side of Jam and Lewis (which I didn't like) like a lot of Alexander O'Neil's songs. If Jam and Lewis had given them a hardcore jam like "Innocent", I would have loved it. lol
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Agree, kinda. I think the second album is the best. But you know we're in the minority on this forum, right?


I have three 45s from that album....

Cool It Now
Mr. Telephone Man
Lost In Love

I've been looking for the album because it contains a jam I love called "My Secret".
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Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #43 posted 09/28/06 2:28pm

sextonseven

vainandy said:




I like Bobby Brown and BBD's work better than New Edition's work once they got with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis as producers. My favorite New Edition is the first album that Maurice Starr produced. The second one with "Cool It Now" was alright but I hated the album that was produced by Jam and Lewis. That was kind of the mellow side of Jam and Lewis (which I didn't like) like a lot of Alexander O'Neil's songs. If Jam and Lewis had given them a hardcore jam like "Innocent", I would have loved it. lol
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I love New Edition's 'Candy Girl' album. Didn't care that much for the next three (Under The Blue Moon barf ). I started listening to them again when Jam & Lewis took over, but I know what you mean about them not being as funky producing New Edition. They admitted it themselves saying they were purposely going in a more "street" direction with their sound for NE. I still like "If It Isn't Love" and the 12" remix of "Crucial".
Reply #44 posted 09/28/06 2:30pm

AlexdeParis

Adisa said:

vainandy said:




I like Bobby Brown and BBD's work better than New Edition's work once they got with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis as producers. My favorite New Edition is the first album that Maurice Starr produced. The second one with "Cool It Now" was alright but I hated the album that was produced by Jam and Lewis. That was kind of the mellow side of Jam and Lewis (which I didn't like) like a lot of Alexander O'Neil's songs. If Jam and Lewis had given them a hardcore jam like "Innocent", I would have loved it. lol


Agree, kinda. I think the second album is the best. But you know we're in the minority on this forum, right?

I'll split the middle. The second album and Heart Break are my two favorites. "Cool It Now," "My Secret," "If It Isn't Love," "You're Not My Kind of Girl"... music
"Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis
Reply #45 posted 09/28/06 2:31pm

vainandy

sextonseven said:

(Under The Blue Moon barf )


Oh, I forgot about that one! I HATED it!!!!!
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #46 posted 09/28/06 2:32pm

sextonseven

vainandy said:



I have three 45s from that album....

Cool It Now
Mr. Telephone Man
Lost In Love

I've been looking for the album because it contains a jam I love called "My Secret".
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"My Secret" was the fourth single from that album. I think I remember "Kinda Girls We Like" as being a little funky. The third album had a funky track called "S.C.H.O.O.L.".
Reply #47 posted 09/28/06 2:33pm

Adisa

AlexdeParis said:

Adisa said:


Agree, kinda. I think the second album is the best. But you know we're in the minority on this forum, right?

I'll split the middle. The second album and Heart Break are my two favorites. "Cool It Now," "My Secret," "If It Isn't Love," "You're Not My Kind of Girl"... music

"Kinda Girls We Like", "Mr. Telephone Man" "Hide and Seek" (5 Star's version is better, tho)

dancing jig
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Reply #48 posted 09/28/06 2:38pm

Adisa

I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
Reply #49 posted 09/28/06 2:46pm

100MPH

vainandy said:



I can understand Jesse leaving because he wasn't able to contribute as much as he wanted and the whole band was made to feel as if they were Prince's puppets. I only mentioned him because I like The Time's albums better than his. I will hand it to Jesse though, he had great solo albums that were hard and full of funk. Most folks that leave and go solo go the boring ass ballad or pop route.

The 1rst Time-album was completely played and recorded by P himself though ... without much assistence of Andre or Dez .
And i recall even P's 1rst 2 albums to be performed all by himself .
So in that perspective , i think he could do well on his own .
I'm also a big fan of that early era , but i can understand P's quest for new work .
The New Power Soul-album seems to be an underrated album among many fans , but imo , it was a cool solid direction in2 funk again .


I don't know x-actly how to observe to solo-joints from George Clinton or Roger Troutman , since a lot of their musical families joined them on those albums .

Steve Arrington did 3 to 4 slamming projects with Slave and stood out right away with dropping 2 years of albums with his Hall Of Fame-band .
His crossover-gospel direction got him exposure in the commercial (Soul) charts , but was not my cup-a-tea .

Jeffrey Osborne did not bad after LTD , but indeed , more in the direction to balladeering ( a few fast jams exepted ) .

George Michael has definitely grown after Wham .

Robbie Williams skyrocketed after Take That .
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Reply #50 posted 09/28/06 2:49pm

sextonseven

Adisa said:



That was better than I remembered. lol Very electro--almost freestyle-ish.
Reply #51 posted 09/28/06 2:57pm

Adisa

sextonseven said:

Adisa said:



That was better than I remembered. lol Very electro--almost freestyle-ish.

Yep. Cool choreography, too. But something about those outfits. The look like they stink.
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
Reply #52 posted 09/28/06 3:48pm

ThePunisher

vainandy said:



For someone who went from making jams like "For Those Who Like To Groove", "Still In The Groove", and "Hot Stuff" to resort to making something like "Ghostbusters"....he needed his ass beat. lol
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Ghostbusters was bad (The music was stolen from Huey Lewis & The News) But the WORST song Ray ever did was a song called "Girls Are More Fun" Remember that one? I do because of the video. Irene Cara was in it at the beginning. And Ray was dressed up in drag at the end. He needed his @$$ SHOT for both the music and for making the UGLIEST drag queen this side of creation.
Reply #53 posted 09/28/06 3:48pm

ThePunisher

vainandy said:



For someone who went from making jams like "For Those Who Like To Groove", "Still In The Groove", and "Hot Stuff" to resort to making something like "Ghostbusters"....he needed his ass beat. lol
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Ghostbusters was bad (The music was stolen from Huey Lewis & The News) But the WORST song Ray ever did was a song called "Girls Are More Fun" Remember that one? I do because of the video. Irene Cara was in it at the beginning. And Ray was dressed up in drag at the end. He needed his @$$ SHOT for both the music and for making the UGLIEST drag queen this side of creation.
Reply #54 posted 09/28/06 4:20pm

Krytonite

How about Curtis Mayfield? Was he better with The Impressions?
Reply #55 posted 09/28/06 4:21pm

Krytonite

How about Curtis Mayfield? Was he better with Impressions?
Reply #56 posted 09/28/06 4:26pm

funkpill

Krytonite said:

How about Curtis Mayfield? Was he better with Impressions?



wow...


Good question hmmm
Sorry For The Delay, Home Laptop Isn't Functioning
Reply #57 posted 09/28/06 4:41pm

namepeace

For someone who went from making jams like "For Those Who Like To Groove", "Still In The Groove", and "Hot Stuff" to resort to making something like "Ghostbusters"....he needed his ass beat.


The list of great artists who cashed in and sold out in the 80's is long and winding.

I can think of fewer pictures that sum it up like this.

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
Reply #58 posted 09/28/06 5:09pm

Najee

Most of these acts you're naming -- Lionel Richie, Michael Jackson and Jeffrey Osborne -- became solo acts when soul music was changing from the socially aware brand of funk of the '70s to a more AC-type format in the early to mid-'80s. Even Teddy Pendergrass was heading down that road before his paralyzing accident in early 1982.
THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
Reply #59 posted 09/28/06 6:43pm

100MPH

With exceptions like Aurra , The BarKays , Don Blackman , Bootsy , Tyrone Brunson , Brick , Cameo , Ca$hlow , Chocolate Milk , Civil Attack , Collage , Con Funk Shun , Dazz Band , The Deele , Ebonee Webb , Fatback , Freedom , Funkadelic , Gap Band , General Caine , Rick James , Junie , Kleeer , Lakeside , Klymaxx , Magic Lady , Mantra , Midnight Star , Mtume , Bobby Nunn , Ohio Players , One Way , Parliament , Prince , The Reddings , Slave , Stone City Band , Sun , T-Connection , Tease , The Time , Twennynine , Steve " The Fearless Leader " Washington , Wreckin' Crew , Bernard Wright , Wynd Chymes , Zapp , Zoom and some others who kept the funk alive during a few years in the 80's .
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Reply #60 posted 09/28/06 6:55pm

jacktheimprovident

funkpill said:

Krytonite said:

How about Curtis Mayfield? Was he better with Impressions?



wow...


Good question hmmm


I'd say he was more interesting when he went solo, but he still had collaborators in his band and his co-arrangers in his solo career.

I think vainandy's initial point is that every artist is best when they have somebody to bounce their ideas off of. Nobody creates in a vaccuum and nobody ever really does everything themselves, and sometimes people need someone to fill in the gaps in their ideas. Each of the Beatles solo careers are inferior to the material they made together, and often times the worst tendencies each had as a beatle were made all the more apparent in their solo careers: Paul could get far too sappy, John could get too aloof and tasteless, George could get too preachy and boring, and...well Ringo pretty much sucks.

Stevie Wonder serves as an interesting example too because even though his prime material came after he renegotiated his contract and took over most of the instrumentation, writing and production himself, he still had very important collaborators in his engineers/associate producers Malcolm Cecil and Robert Margouleff. These guys didn't get ripped off in co-writing credit or anything like that, but their contribution to stevie's prime is very underappreciated. Basically, they pushed him into being as good as he could be: they would purposefully botch takes so that he'd have to record the vocals over and over again until his voice sounded hoarse and angry (as on Living For the City), they would try and annoy/irritate him so that he would get pissed off (which was allegedly extremely difficult because of how friendly and good-natured stevie is naturally) and channel that energy into his performance. Occasionally they would even introduce him to a chord progression or mode he wasn't familiar with, which he would modify or rearrange and use as the basis of a song. One could argue that Stevie's prime began to wane after he stopped working with them.

And yes Prince definitely was in his prime when he was around musicians who he saw as genuine colleagues/peers rather than just employees; people he felt comfortable allowing some creative input from who could tell him when something wasn't working, add their own input and genuinely be creative partners, something he hasn't had to anywhere near the same extent since he disbanded the revolution. Even though Sign O'The times was a non revolution album, it was heavily influenced by them via the experiences he had with him, the styles/flavors they'd already introduced him to, even if they didn't directly collaborate with him on most of the material.
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Reply #61 posted 09/28/06 7:01pm

Moonbeam

Björk is definitely better than The Sugarcubes.
It's only mountains...
Reply #62 posted 09/28/06 10:55pm

Abdul

vainandy said:

Patti LaBelle was much better with LaBelle than solo. Keep that "Somebody Loves You" shit and give me some more stuff like "Lady Marmalade". lol.
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Yeah she was bascially a mid-tempo/ballad singer post Labelle, but her first solo single from 1979 'MUSIC IS MY LIFE"is a good party jam.
Reply #63 posted 09/29/06 4:15am

BT11

jacktheimprovident said:

funkpill said:




wow...


Good question hmmm


I'd say he was more interesting when he went solo, but he still had collaborators in his band and his co-arrangers in his solo career.

I think vainandy's initial point is that every artist is best when they have somebody to bounce their ideas off of. Nobody creates in a vaccuum and nobody ever really does everything themselves, and sometimes people need someone to fill in the gaps in their ideas. Each of the Beatles solo careers are inferior to the material they made together, and often times the worst tendencies each had as a beatle were made all the more apparent in their solo careers: Paul could get far too sappy, John could get too aloof and tasteless, George could get too preachy and boring, and...well Ringo pretty much sucks.Stevie Wonder serves as an interesting example too because even though his prime material came after he renegotiated his contract and took over most of the instrumentation, writing and production himself, he still had very important collaborators in his engineers/associate producers Malcolm Cecil and Robert Margouleff. These guys didn't get ripped off in co-writing credit or anything like that, but their contribution to stevie's prime is very underappreciated. Basically, they pushed him into being as good as he could be: they would purposefully botch takes so that he'd have to record the vocals over and over again until his voice sounded hoarse and angry (as on Living For the City), they would try and annoy/irritate him so that he would get pissed off (which was allegedly extremely difficult because of how friendly and good-natured stevie is naturally) and channel that energy into his performance. Occasionally they would even introduce him to a chord progression or mode he wasn't familiar with, which he would modify or rearrange and use as the basis of a song. One could argue that Stevie's prime began to wane after he stopped working with them.

And yes Prince definitely was in his prime when he was around musicians who he saw as genuine colleagues/peers rather than just employees; people he felt comfortable allowing some creative input from who could tell him when something wasn't working, add their own input and genuinely be creative partners, something he hasn't had to anywhere near the same extent since he disbanded the revolution. Even though Sign O'The times was a non revolution album, it was heavily influenced by them via the experiences he had with him, the styles/flavors they'd already introduced him to, even if they didn't directly collaborate with him on most of the material.
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nod
music
Reply #64 posted 09/29/06 9:15am

FuNkeNsteiN

funkpill said:

vainandy said:



I didn't know he did any solo stuff.



He did one album under his name.

Others are under The Family Stone name, but you can tell

its an solo album.

High On You is not a bad album neutral
It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.

- Lammastide
Reply #65 posted 09/29/06 9:26am

funkpill

FuNkeNsteiN said:

funkpill said:




He did one album under his name.

Others are under The Family Stone name, but you can tell

its an solo album.

High On You is not a bad album neutral




agree...

That was the only album under his name alone.
Sorry For The Delay, Home Laptop Isn't Functioning
Reply #66 posted 09/29/06 9:33am

FuNkeNsteiN

funkpill said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:


High On You is not a bad album neutral




agree...

That was the only album under his name alone.

nod
It has the coolest cover out of all of Sly's albums cool
It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.

- Lammastide
Reply #67 posted 09/29/06 11:45am

sextonseven

How about Slave vs. Steve Arrington?
Reply #68 posted 09/29/06 11:58am

bublebath

Paul McCartney..... Get Back, the Beatles's years are waiting for you...
...Dorothy made me laugh (ha ha)...

THE ORG TOP 50
http://www.prince.org/msg/8/192731


PRINCE or MESHELL NDEGEOCELLO
http://www.prince.org/msg...02?jump=51

The Funny Thread About the Album Kiss
http://www.prince.org/msg...0652?&pg=1
Reply #69 posted 09/29/06 12:07pm

kisscamille

I don't know if anyone has mentioned George Michael yet. I was NEVER a fan of Wham, but George on his own is amazing. He's one of my top 10 favourite artists, but Wham was just too sappy for my liking.
Reply #70 posted 09/29/06 1:30pm

vainandy

Krytonite said:

How about Curtis Mayfield? Was he better with The Impressions?


I liked him better solo.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #71 posted 09/29/06 1:32pm

vainandy

Najee said:

Most of these acts you're naming -- Lionel Richie, Michael Jackson and Jeffrey Osborne -- became solo acts when soul music was changing from the socially aware brand of funk of the '70s to a more AC-type format in the early to mid-'80s. Even Teddy Pendergrass was heading down that road before his paralyzing accident in early 1982.


That adult comtemporary shit didn't take over until 1985 and later. The early 1980s was mostly funk, funk, and more funk. Even Luther Vandross was funky with jams like "She's A Super Lady".
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #72 posted 09/29/06 1:39pm

ThePunisher

sextonseven said:

How about Slave vs. Steve Arrington?
Ohhhh that's tough, But I think I'll go with Slave on the strength of "Watching You" and "Snapshot"
Reply #73 posted 09/29/06 1:41pm

vainandy

100MPH said:

With exceptions like Aurra , The BarKays , Don Blackman , Bootsy , Tyrone Brunson , Brick , Cameo , Ca$hlow , Chocolate Milk , Civil Attack , Collage , Con Funk Shun , Dazz Band , The Deele , Ebonee Webb , Fatback , Freedom , Funkadelic , Gap Band , General Caine , Rick James , Junie , Kleeer , Lakeside , Klymaxx , Magic Lady , Mantra , Midnight Star , Mtume , Bobby Nunn , Ohio Players , One Way , Parliament , Prince , The Reddings , Slave , Stone City Band , Sun , T-Connection , Tease , The Time , Twennynine , Steve " The Fearless Leader " Washington , Wreckin' Crew , Bernard Wright , Wynd Chymes , Zapp , Zoom and some others who kept the funk alive during a few years in the 80's .
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Great list! There was also Skyy, Bill Summers and Summers Heat, Rafael Cameron, Carl Carlton, Junior, Shalamar, Dynasty, The Whispers, Evelyn "Champaigne" King, Jerry Knight, Sho-Nuff, The Stone City Band, The Isley Brothers, Michael Henderson, Tom Browne, Frankie Smith, One Way, Glass, Warp 9, The Mary Jane Girls, Margie Joseph, Cheri, Kano, Mass Production, Secret Weapon, Tyrone Brunson, Paul Hardcastle,....hell, the list goes on and on forever.

Funk ruled the early 1980s. Almost everyone was doing funk. Shitney Houston would have had bricks thrown at her a few years earlier. lol
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Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #74 posted 09/29/06 1:41pm

sextonseven

ThePunisher said:

sextonseven said:

How about Slave vs. Steve Arrington?
Ohhhh that's tough, But I think I'll go with Slave on the strength of "Watching You" and "Snapshot"


I could listen to "Just A Touch Of Love" over and over and over...
Reply #75 posted 09/29/06 1:43pm

vainandy

sextonseven said:

How about Slave vs. Steve Arrington?


Steve Arrington is great but I like Slave better.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #76 posted 09/29/06 1:44pm

vainandy

ThePunisher said:

sextonseven said:

How about Slave vs. Steve Arrington?
Ohhhh that's tough, But I think I'll go with Slave on the strength of "Watching You" and "Snapshot"


And "Stone Jam" and "Sizzlin' Hot".
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #77 posted 09/29/06 1:50pm

ThePunisher

Here's one. I think that Eddie Kane Jr. was much better when he left "The Five Heartbeats" to turn solo! "NIGHTS LIKE THIS.....I WISH....THAT RAINDROPS WOULD..... FAAAAALLLLL!!!!! lol lol lol lol
Reply #78 posted 09/29/06 6:18pm

Najee

100MPH said:

With exceptions like Aurra , The BarKays , Don Blackman , Bootsy , Tyrone Brunson , Brick , Cameo , Ca$hlow , Chocolate Milk , Civil Attack , Collage , Con Funk Shun , Dazz Band , The Deele , Ebonee Webb , Fatback , Freedom , Funkadelic , Gap Band , General Caine , Rick James , Junie , Kleeer , Lakeside , Klymaxx , Magic Lady , Mantra , Midnight Star , Mtume , Bobby Nunn , Ohio Players , One Way , Parliament , Prince , The Reddings , Slave , Stone City Band , Sun , T-Connection , Tease , The Time , Twennynine , Steve " The Fearless Leader " Washington , Wreckin' Crew , Bernard Wright , Wynd Chymes , Zapp , Zoom and some others who kept the funk alive during a few years in the 80's .
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And of course, the majority of these acts you named were limited to marginally successful. And even then, acts like Con Funk Shun started down its road to ballads, with "Love's Train" and "Baby I'm Hooked."
THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
Reply #79 posted 09/29/06 6:28pm

100MPH

Najee said:

100MPH said:

With exceptions like Aurra , The BarKays , Don Blackman , Bootsy , Tyrone Brunson , Brick , Cameo , Ca$hlow , Chocolate Milk , Civil Attack , Collage , Con Funk Shun , Dazz Band , The Deele , Ebonee Webb , Fatback , Freedom , Funkadelic , Gap Band , General Caine , Rick James , Junie , Kleeer , Lakeside , Klymaxx , Magic Lady , Mantra , Midnight Star , Mtume , Bobby Nunn , Ohio Players , One Way , Parliament , Prince , The Reddings , Slave , Stone City Band , Sun , T-Connection , Tease , The Time , Twennynine , Steve " The Fearless Leader " Washington , Wreckin' Crew , Bernard Wright , Wynd Chymes , Zapp , Zoom and some others who kept the funk alive during a few years in the 80's .

And of course, the majority of these acts you named were limited to marginally successful. And even then, acts like Con Funk Shun started down its road to ballads, with "Love's Train" and "Baby I'm Hooked."

Limited ? lol ... in what context ? ... that they didn't lead the commercial charts ?

If we have to bring up the statistics then ...

- The Dazz Band received a Grammy for best live-act in the season of 1982-1983 .

- Many Cameo-albums already sold platinum ( etc ) , years before their commercial hit with Word Up .
Hence their (?)"limited"(?) liveshows ... most fierce & theatrical funk-opera i ever saw from them in 1987 .
Limited ? ... dude , Larry Blackmon always stated that he and his C-Army "respect" the stage ... and they proved to do so .



If they were all so limited ...why the heck keep 2day's producers using their samples ?
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Reply #80 posted 09/29/06 6:37pm

vainandy

Najee said:

100MPH said:

With exceptions like Aurra , The BarKays , Don Blackman , Bootsy , Tyrone Brunson , Brick , Cameo , Ca$hlow , Chocolate Milk , Civil Attack , Collage , Con Funk Shun , Dazz Band , The Deele , Ebonee Webb , Fatback , Freedom , Funkadelic , Gap Band , General Caine , Rick James , Junie , Kleeer , Lakeside , Klymaxx , Magic Lady , Mantra , Midnight Star , Mtume , Bobby Nunn , Ohio Players , One Way , Parliament , Prince , The Reddings , Slave , Stone City Band , Sun , T-Connection , Tease , The Time , Twennynine , Steve " The Fearless Leader " Washington , Wreckin' Crew , Bernard Wright , Wynd Chymes , Zapp , Zoom and some others who kept the funk alive during a few years in the 80's .
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And of course, the majority of these acts you named were limited to marginally successful. And even then, acts like Con Funk Shun started down its road to ballads, with "Love's Train" and "Baby I'm Hooked."


The best thing about these acts are they achieved what they wanted to achieve....R&B success only. They had no desire to venture into pop. When R&B acts started trying to get a pop hit, that's when the music suffered.

As far as Con-Funk-Shun goes, they did funk and ballads.....all the funk acts did. However, ballads by funk groups had a far different sound than some damn "Saving All My Love For You" by Shitney Houston.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #81 posted 09/29/06 6:40pm

100MPH

vainandy said:



The best thing about these acts are they achieved what they wanted to achieve....R&B success only. They had no desire to venture into pop. When R&B acts started trying to get a pop hit, that's when the music suffered.

As far as Con-Funk-Shun goes, they did funk and ballads.....all the funk acts did. However, ballads by funk groups had a far different sound than some damn "Saving All My Love For You" by Shitney Houston.

X-actly , put their 7-album from 1981 on the decks ... slowz & fast jamz are TIGHT !
Reply #82 posted 09/29/06 7:01pm

vainandy

100MPH said:

vainandy said:



The best thing about these acts are they achieved what they wanted to achieve....R&B success only. They had no desire to venture into pop. When R&B acts started trying to get a pop hit, that's when the music suffered.

As far as Con-Funk-Shun goes, they did funk and ballads.....all the funk acts did. However, ballads by funk groups had a far different sound than some damn "Saving All My Love For You" by Shitney Houston.

X-actly , put their 7-album from 1981 on the decks ... slowz & fast jamz are TIGHT !


And the "trying to get a hit with mostly ballads" thing didn't start until Michael Cooper went solo, which is another person to add to the list of entertainers who fuck up when they go solo. lol

However, in the present day, I notice that Michael Cooper tours with Con-Funk-Shun and they perform plenty of funk. Hmmmmm.....I wonder why? Looks like he finally realizes that over time that the songs that most people want to hear are the ones when he was with the group. Doing what?....Funk! evillol
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #83 posted 09/29/06 7:13pm

100MPH

vainandy said:



And the "trying to get a hit with mostly ballads" thing didn't start until Michael Cooper went solo, which is another person to add to the list of entertainers who fuck up when they go solo. lol

However, in the present day, I notice that Michael Cooper tours with Con-Funk-Shun and they perform plenty of funk. Hmmmmm.....I wonder why? Looks like he finally realizes that over time that the songs that most people want to hear are the ones when he was with the group. Doing what?....Funk! evillol

It's not their middle-name 4 nuffin' lol

I kinda dig Mike Coop's 1rst album though ... "Love Is Such A Funny Game" is a solid midtempo-jam .

CFS did some live-shows for radio in the 80's ... i tracked a playlist somewhere :

From a show in 1986 :

- Turn The Music Up
- CFS Medley
- Pretty Lady
- Leaving
- Ffun
- Ms. Got The body
- Love's Train
- Electric Lady
Reply #84 posted 09/29/06 7:32pm

vainandy

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Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #85 posted 09/29/06 7:37pm

vainandy

100MPH said:

vainandy said:



And the "trying to get a hit with mostly ballads" thing didn't start until Michael Cooper went solo, which is another person to add to the list of entertainers who fuck up when they go solo. lol

However, in the present day, I notice that Michael Cooper tours with Con-Funk-Shun and they perform plenty of funk. Hmmmmm.....I wonder why? Looks like he finally realizes that over time that the songs that most people want to hear are the ones when he was with the group. Doing what?....Funk! evillol

It's not their middle-name 4 nuffin' lol

I kinda dig Mike Coop's 1rst album though ... "Love Is Such A Funny Game" is a solid midtempo-jam .

CFS did some live-shows for radio in the 80's ... i tracked a playlist somewhere :

From a show in 1986 :

- Turn The Music Up
- CFS Medley
- Pretty Lady
- Leaving
- Ffun
- Ms. Got The body
- Love's Train
- Electric Lady


You should check out these CDs. All the tracks are live in concert:



1. Party Train - The Gap Band
2. Keep It Hot - Cameo
3. Too Tight - Confunkshun
4. Sweet Sticky Thing - Ohio Players
5. Say Yes - Lakeside
6. Why Have I Lost You - Cameo
7. There I Go - Dazz Band
8. Bop Gun - George Clinton & The P-Funk All-Stars
9. Outrageous - Lakeside




1. All The Way Live - Lakeside
2. Drop The Bomb - The Gap Band
3. Aqua Boogie - George Clinton & The P-Funk All-Stars
4. Candy - Cameo
5. I Wanna Hold Your Hand - Lakeside
6. Yearning For Your Love - The Gap Band
7. Love's Train - Confunkshun
8. Fire - Ohio Players
9. FFun - Confunkshun




DISC 1
1. Tom Joyner Intro
2. Party Time - UWF All Stars
3. Ffun - Confunkshun
4. Take Your Time (Do It Right) - SOS Band
5. Freak Show On The Dance Floor - The Bar-Kays
6. Burn Rubber On Me (Why You Wanna Hurt Me) - Charlie Wilson
7. You Dropped A Bomb On Me - Charlie Wilson
8. Love's Train - Confunkshun
9. Just Be Good To Me - SOS Band
10. Let It Whip - Dazz Band
11. Shake And Dance With Me - Confunkshun

DISC 2
1. Party Train - Charlie Wilson
2. Heartbeat - Dazz Band
3. Anticipation - The Bar-Kays
4. Shake It Easy - Confunkshun
5. Move Your Boogie Body - The Bar-Kays
6. Computer Love - Charlie Wilson/UWF All Stars
7. Outstanding - Charlie Wilson
8. Oops Upside Your Head - Charlie Wilson
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #86 posted 09/29/06 7:55pm

100MPH

vainandy said:



You should check out these CDs. All the tracks are live in concert:



1. Party Train - The Gap Band
2. Keep It Hot - Cameo
3. Too Tight - Confunkshun
4. Sweet Sticky Thing - Ohio Players
5. Say Yes - Lakeside
6. Why Have I Lost You - Cameo
7. There I Go - Dazz Band
8. Bop Gun - George Clinton & The P-Funk All-Stars
9. Outrageous - Lakeside




1. All The Way Live - Lakeside
2. Drop The Bomb - The Gap Band
3. Aqua Boogie - George Clinton & The P-Funk All-Stars
4. Candy - Cameo
5. I Wanna Hold Your Hand - Lakeside
6. Yearning For Your Love - The Gap Band
7. Love's Train - Confunkshun
8. Fire - Ohio Players
9. FFun - Confunkshun




DISC 1
1. Tom Joyner Intro
2. Party Time - UWF All Stars
3. Ffun - Confunkshun
4. Take Your Time (Do It Right) - SOS Band
5. Freak Show On The Dance Floor - The Bar-Kays
6. Burn Rubber On Me (Why You Wanna Hurt Me) - Charlie Wilson
7. You Dropped A Bomb On Me - Charlie Wilson
8. Love's Train - Confunkshun
9. Just Be Good To Me - SOS Band
10. Let It Whip - Dazz Band
11. Shake And Dance With Me - Confunkshun

DISC 2
1. Party Train - Charlie Wilson
2. Heartbeat - Dazz Band
3. Anticipation - The Bar-Kays
4. Shake It Easy - Confunkshun
5. Move Your Boogie Body - The Bar-Kays
6. Computer Love - Charlie Wilson/UWF All Stars
7. Outstanding - Charlie Wilson
8. Oops Upside Your Head - Charlie Wilson

thumbs up!







I'll be back 4 the tracklists later .
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Reply #87 posted 09/29/06 8:01pm

vainandy

100MPH said:


thumbs up!







I'll be back 4 the tracklists later .
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I used to see that one in the record stores all the time. Cameo and The Gap Band have a live album also.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #88 posted 09/29/06 8:17pm

100MPH



Their D-Xposure live-joint in Frisco includes an instrumental & improvised jazz-version of "Let It All Blow" ... nothing limited about that lol
Reply #89 posted 09/29/06 8:20pm

vainandy

100MPH said:



Their D-Xposure live-joint in Frisco includes an instrumental & improvised jazz-version of "Let It All Blow" ... nothing limited about that lol


Now that album I haven't seen.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #90 posted 09/29/06 8:22pm

100MPH

vainandy said:


I used to see that one in the record stores all the time. Cameo and The Gap Band have a live album also.

nod

Also Lakeside & The Ohio Players .
Most of them came out around 1996 on Intersound Records .
Reply #91 posted 09/29/06 8:24pm

100MPH

Reply #92 posted 09/29/06 8:25pm

100MPH

vainandy said:



Now that album I haven't seen.

An ABSOLUTE recommender ... from the same series as Intersound .
Them jams on there are ULTRA-tight !
Reply #93 posted 09/29/06 8:33pm

vainandy

100MPH said:

vainandy said:


I used to see that one in the record stores all the time. Cameo and The Gap Band have a live album also.

nod

Also Lakeside & The Ohio Players .
Most of them came out around 1996 on Intersound Records .


I didn't know Lakeside had one. I want that one!
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #94 posted 09/29/06 8:43pm

100MPH

Reply #95 posted 09/29/06 9:26pm

ThePunisher

100MPH said:

vainandy said:


I used to see that one in the record stores all the time. Cameo and The Gap Band have a live album also.

nod

Also Lakeside & The Ohio Players .
Most of them came out around 1996 on Intersound Records .
Speaking of the Ohio Players, Didn't Sugarfoot come out with with a solo album in the late 80's? I think Roger Troutman produced some tracks for him. Needless to say, it didn't do very well.
Reply #96 posted 09/29/06 9:50pm

100MPH

ThePunisher said:

100MPH said:


nod

Also Lakeside & The Ohio Players .
Most of them came out around 1996 on Intersound Records .
Speaking of the Ohio Players, Didn't Sugarfoot come out with with a solo album in the late 80's? I think Roger Troutman produced some tracks for him. Needless to say, it didn't do very well.

The re-do of Fire ( "Fire 85" ) was bumpin' .
Reply #97 posted 09/29/06 10:00pm

ThePunisher

100MPH said:

ThePunisher said:

Speaking of the Ohio Players, Didn't Sugarfoot come out with with a solo album in the late 80's? I think Roger Troutman produced some tracks for him. Needless to say, it didn't do very well.

The re-do of Fire ( "Fire 85" ) was bumpin' .
That's it! I remember that one. You're right, It was FONKY!
Reply #98 posted 09/29/06 11:54pm

funkpill

ThePunisher said:

Here's one. I think that Eddie Kane Jr. was much better when he left "The Five Heartbeats" to turn solo! "NIGHTS LIKE THIS.....I WISH....THAT RAINDROPS WOULD..... FAAAAALLLLL!!!!! lol lol lol lol



Nobody sang like Eddie Kane Jr. whistle


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Reply #99 posted 09/29/06 11:56pm

funkpill

100MPH said:

vainandy said:



And the "trying to get a hit with mostly ballads" thing didn't start until Michael Cooper went solo, which is another person to add to the list of entertainers who fuck up when they go solo. lol

However, in the present day, I notice that Michael Cooper tours with Con-Funk-Shun and they perform plenty of funk. Hmmmmm.....I wonder why? Looks like he finally realizes that over time that the songs that most people want to hear are the ones when he was with the group. Doing what?....Funk! evillol

It's not their middle-name 4 nuffin' lol

I kinda dig Mike Coop's 1rst album though ... "Love Is Such A Funny Game" is a solid midtempo-jam .

CFS did some live-shows for radio in the 80's ... i tracked a playlist somewhere :

From a show in 1986 :

- Turn The Music Up
- CFS Medley
- Pretty Lady
- Leaving
- Ffun
- Ms. Got The body
- Love's Train
- Electric Lady






That is a jam!!! music


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Reply #100 posted 09/30/06 12:00am

GaryMF

Xavier23 said:

sextonseven said:



I remember when "If Only You Knew" was all over R&B radio for the longest time. I couldn't stand that song! lol

whats wrong with "if only you knew" the best part of that song is coming on to the ned when she does that iiiifffff only you knew how much i care for you. that shit is magical


School him Xavier!!!! If Only You knew is saanging! And live it's off the chain!

And andy, Joy To Have Your Love is Miss Patti solo..... if you like that you'll also like Music is My Life. It's even funkier.

Diana is much better on her own than with the SUpremes (Ain't No Mountain, The Nile Rodgers stuff (I'm coming out/upside down), the 80s stuff (Swept away, etc.).


And to answer your original question..... 2 words: JOdy Watley!
rainbow
Reply #101 posted 09/30/06 12:10am

Pr3ttyM3ss

Everlast from the House of Pain...
Reply #102 posted 09/30/06 12:14am

funkpill

GaryMF said:

Xavier23 said:


whats wrong with "if only you knew" the best part of that song is coming on to the ned when she does that iiiifffff only you knew how much i care for you. that shit is magical


School him Xavier!!!! If Only You knew is saanging! And live it's off the chain!

And andy, Joy To Have Your Love is Miss Patti solo..... if you like that you'll also like Music is My Life. It's even funkier.

Diana is much better on her own than with the SUpremes (Ain't No Mountain, The Nile Rodgers stuff (I'm coming out/upside down), the 80s stuff (Swept away, etc.).


And to answer your original question..... 2 words: JOdy Watley!



You think??? hmmm
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Reply #103 posted 09/30/06 12:21am

GaryMF

funkpill said:

GaryMF said:



School him Xavier!!!! If Only You knew is saanging! And live it's off the chain!

And andy, Joy To Have Your Love is Miss Patti solo..... if you like that you'll also like Music is My Life. It's even funkier.

Diana is much better on her own than with the SUpremes (Ain't No Mountain, The Nile Rodgers stuff (I'm coming out/upside down), the 80s stuff (Swept away, etc.).


And to answer your original question..... 2 words: JOdy Watley!



You think??? hmmm

Yeah..... Shalamar has some great songs.... but Jody is buried on most of them.....

Her 1st solo album is great from the 1st track to the last. Classic 80s.
[Edited 9/30/06 0:22am]
rainbow
Reply #104 posted 09/30/06 1:09am

FuNkeNsteiN

sextonseven said:

ThePunisher said:

Ohhhh that's tough, But I think I'll go with Slave on the strength of "Watching You" and "Snapshot"


I could listen to "Just A Touch Of Love" over and over and over...

Whoa, so you do have a funky side lol
It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.

- Lammastide
Reply #105 posted 09/30/06 1:10am

FuNkeNsteiN

sextonseven said:

How about Slave vs. Steve Arrington?

Hard one hmmm
It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.

- Lammastide
Reply #106 posted 09/30/06 5:04am

100MPH

ThePunisher said:

100MPH said:


The re-do of Fire ( "Fire 85" ) was bumpin' .
That's it! I remember that one. You're right, It was FONKY!

highfive
Reply #107 posted 09/30/06 5:05am

100MPH

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[Edited 9/30/06 5:06am]
Reply #108 posted 09/30/06 5:09am

100MPH

funkpill said:

100MPH said:


I kinda dig Mike Coop's 1rst album though ... "Love Is Such A Funny Game" is a solid midtempo-jam .


That is a jam!!! music


biggrin

dancing jig 2 da quintet of OWWWWW !

Coop , Sugahfoot , Dodson , Blackmon & Prof T.
Reply #109 posted 09/30/06 5:13am

100MPH

FuNkeNsteiN said:

sextonseven said:

How about Slave vs. Steve Arrington?

Hard one hmmm

It's a kinda tie indeed
I personally would say :
Slave : 1977-1981
Steve Arrington's Hall Of Fame : 1982-1984

The releases after those years have initial moments .
Reply #110 posted 09/30/06 8:12am

funkpill

100MPH said:

funkpill said:


That is a jam!!! music


biggrin

dancing jig 2 da quintet of OWWWWW !

Coop , Sugahfoot , Dodson , Blackmon & Prof T.




Lionel did some OWWWWW's!!! too... biggrin
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Reply #111 posted 09/30/06 8:24am

TonyVanDam

Boy George (if he can ever stay sober) needs to stay in Culture Club.

The now-single again Bobby Brown needs New Edition more than ever.

Bring back En Vogue!
Reply #112 posted 09/30/06 8:25am

Militant

moderator

ThePunisher said:

100MPH said:


nod

Also Lakeside & The Ohio Players .
Most of them came out around 1996 on Intersound Records .
Speaking of the Ohio Players, Didn't Sugarfoot come out with with a solo album in the late 80's? I think Roger Troutman produced some tracks for him. Needless to say, it didn't do very well.


Yup, it was called "Sugar Kiss", all produced by Roger and there were some serious jams on there. If I was running Warners, I would re-issue that shit on CD for sure, because its only ever been on vinyl AFAIK.
Reply #113 posted 09/30/06 8:28am

TonyVanDam

vainandy said:



For someone who went from making jams like "For Those Who Like To Groove", "Still In The Groove", and "Hot Stuff" to resort to making something like "Ghostbusters"....he needed his ass beat. lol
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[Edited 9/28/06 13:42pm]


And that's EXACTLY what piss me off the most! Ray Parker Jr. was a musical genius in his own right. But instead of modern pop culture remember this, the first thing that come to their mind is that damn Ghostbusters theme song.

THAT freaking song ruined Ray's career. Quote me on this!
Reply #114 posted 09/30/06 8:32am

TonyVanDam

funkpill said:

How about James 'JT' Taylor of Kool & The Gang??? hmmm


He always comes to mind on topics like this..


JT is still with Kool & The Gang on-again, off-again.
Reply #115 posted 09/30/06 8:39am

TonyVanDam

vainandy said:




I like Bobby Brown and BBD's work better than New Edition's work once they got with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis as producers. My favorite New Edition is the first album that Maurice Starr produced. The second one with "Cool It Now" was alright but I hated the album that was produced by Jam and Lewis. That was kind of the mellow side of Jam and Lewis (which I didn't like) like a lot of Alexander O'Neil's songs. If Jam and Lewis had given them a hardcore jam like "Innocent", I would have loved it. lol
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[Edited 9/28/06 14:19pm]


Speaking of the Maurice Starr, what do all of you think about his work with the New Kids On The Block?!?
Reply #116 posted 09/30/06 8:47am

TonyVanDam

Adisa said:



New Edition does Freestyle! I'll be damn!worship

This is one more reason why I love synthesizers.
Reply #117 posted 09/30/06 8:50am

TonyVanDam

namepeace said:

For someone who went from making jams like "For Those Who Like To Groove", "Still In The Groove", and "Hot Stuff" to resort to making something like "Ghostbusters"....he needed his ass beat.


The list of great artists who cashed in and sold out in the 80's is long and winding.

I can think of fewer pictures that sum it up like this.




Apart from Grace Slick, those aren't the original members of Jefferson Airplane or Jefferson Starship.

Even today, Grace has acknowledge tha Starship was a mistake.
lol
Reply #118 posted 09/30/06 12:01pm

sextonseven

FuNkeNsteiN said:

sextonseven said:



I could listen to "Just A Touch Of Love" over and over and over...

Whoa, so you do have a funky side lol


I love Prince so of course I have a funky side! lol
Reply #119 posted 09/30/06 12:02pm

sextonseven

I'll give you guys an easy one: Earth Wind & Fire vs. Philip Bailey
Reply #120 posted 09/30/06 12:05pm

sextonseven

GaryMF said:

Xavier23 said:


whats wrong with "if only you knew" the best part of that song is coming on to the ned when she does that iiiifffff only you knew how much i care for you. that shit is magical


School him Xavier!!!! If Only You knew is saanging! And live it's off the chain!



The song doesn't bother me so much now. But back then when I was 14 years old, I wasn't into ballads really, especially one that was as overplayed as that one was at the time.
Reply #121 posted 09/30/06 2:40pm

vainandy

GaryMF said:

And to answer your original question..... 2 words: JOdy Watley!


Now that's a hard one because Shalamar was so great when Jody Watley and Jeffery Daniels was in the group. I didn't like Shalamar near as much with their two replacements. As for Jody Watley solo, her music (especially that first album) was great but it's because of Andre Cymone. After the second album, I dropped her because she had become a balladeer like all the rest of them.

As for Howard Hewitt, he should have replaced Shalamar members as many times as he could to keep his career going because his solo stuff was horrible. He had lost all funkiness. lol
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #122 posted 09/30/06 2:42pm

vainandy

TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:



For someone who went from making jams like "For Those Who Like To Groove", "Still In The Groove", and "Hot Stuff" to resort to making something like "Ghostbusters"....he needed his ass beat. lol
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[Edited 9/28/06 13:42pm]


And that's EXACTLY what piss me off the most! Ray Parker Jr. was a musical genius in his own right. But instead of modern pop culture remember this, the first thing that come to their mind is that damn Ghostbusters theme song.

THAT freaking song ruined Ray's career. Quote me on this!


"Ghostbusters" turned Ray Parker Jr. into a joke. People laugh when they hear his name these days. I have a Ray Parker Jr. greatest hits compilation and the word "Ghostbusters" is in the damn title of the CD.
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[Edited 9/30/06 14:50pm]
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #123 posted 09/30/06 2:43pm

vainandy

sextonseven said:

I'll give you guys an easy one: Earth Wind & Fire vs. Philip Bailey


Earth, Wind, and Fire by far. I think I remember Maurice White having a solo album also and remember not liking it.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #124 posted 09/30/06 3:05pm

ThePunisher

vainandy said:



"Ghostbusters" turned Ray Parker Jr. into a joke. People laugh when they hear his name these days. I have a Ray Parker Jr. greatest hits compilation and the word "Ghostbusters" is in the damn title of the CD.
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[Edited 9/30/06 14:50pm]
Ghostbusters may have been bad. (Mainly because he ripped off the music from Huey Lewis & The News "I Wanna New Drug") But "Girls Are More Fun" was worse! Remember that one? The video SUCKED just as bad as the song. It starts out with Ray trying to hit on Irene Cara (Where's She Been?) She shoots him down real quick. And near the end, Ray is dressed up as a Drag Queen.... A very ugly drag queen. He was uglier then Wesley Snipes in "Thanks From Julie Newmar" lol
Reply #125 posted 09/30/06 3:49pm

TonyVanDam

vainandy said:



"Ghostbusters" turned Ray Parker Jr. into a joke. People laugh when they hear his name these days. I have a Ray Parker Jr. greatest hits compilation and the word "Ghostbusters" is in the damn title of the CD.
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[Edited 9/30/06 14:50pm]


Chartbusters was the first of many Ray Parker Jr. Greatest Hits compilation (which is out of print now). It's also the one with Jamie on it.

Right now, I looking for a compilation with Girls Are More Fun & She Need To Get Some.
Reply #126 posted 10/01/06 7:56am

carlcranshaw

David Lee Roth. Although the Eat 'Em And Smile group was great.
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