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Reply #30 posted 01/31/05 2:22pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

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i remember the second Motown special when basically a lot of White performers did a bunch of duets with Black Motown artists..George Michael sang "Love's in Need of Love" with Stevie Wonder and they brought the house down...Joe Cocker and Patti Labelle did You are So Beautiful to Me...Boy George did something i can't remember...anywhoo...it was a great show



Boy George sand a duet with Luther Vandross. I think it was Part Time Lover.



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Reply #31 posted 01/31/05 2:27pm

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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

meltwithu said:

i remember the second Motown special when basically a lot of White performers did a bunch of duets with Black Motown artists..George Michael sang "Love's in Need of Love" with Stevie Wonder and they brought the house down...Joe Cocker and Patti Labelle did You are So Beautiful to Me...Boy George did something i can't remember...anywhoo...it was a great show



Boy George sand a duet with Luther Vandross. I think it was Part Time Lover.



Miguel
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Nah, it was Stevie and Patti was about to give poor Joe Cocker a heart attack with that rendention of "You Are So Beautiful To Me." One more note and the poor guy would've killed over.
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Reply #32 posted 02/01/05 9:02am

Rhondab

hmm When did this happen.....


ya'll have some hella memories...
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Reply #33 posted 02/01/05 9:04am

MIGUELGOMEZ

Rhondab said:

hmm When did this happen.....


ya'll have some hella memories...




This was between 10-15 years ago, I think. I still have it on tape. I think it was a year or two after the famous Michael Jackson Billy Jean performance on the Motown Special.


Miguel
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Reply #34 posted 02/01/05 9:39am

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CynicKill said:

If I remember my history correctly it was Freddy Jackson (remember him?) who was personally offended by George's prominance on the R&B charts that year.

freddy jackson was a fat little fucker biggrin
it's called "sour grapes".
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Reply #35 posted 02/01/05 10:08am

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MIGUELGOMEZ said:[quote]

Rhondab said:

hmm When did this happen.....


ya'll have some hella memories...




This was between 10-15 years ago, I think. I still have it on tape. I think it was a year or two after the famous Michael Jackson Billy Jean performance on the Motown Special.


probably closer to 20 or more years ago....1985 sounds about right
you look better on your facebook page than you do in person hmph!
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Reply #36 posted 02/01/05 11:30am

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1988
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Reply #37 posted 02/01/05 2:05pm

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You don't have to be black to have soul. Teena Marie, George Michael, Phil Collins, maybe Justin Timberlake (depending on who you ask). It's all about being able to convincingly make us feel the mood of the song. Freedom was a great album with great soul ballads. I've purchased the tape and the cd it's timeless.
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Reply #38 posted 02/01/05 2:16pm

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I have a love-indifferent relationship with Josh Stone. Sure that white girl gots some soul, but at times she comes off as too young. But I heard this new song of hers and she tears it up. I say give her ten years when she really learns how to feel a record then watch out!
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Reply #39 posted 02/01/05 2:17pm

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paisleypark4 said:


I Want Your Sex, Monkey, Hard Day are not really soul records.


That's right, those records were funk! Especially Jam & Lewis' remix of Monkey.
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Reply #40 posted 02/01/05 2:22pm

VanitySixx

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I have a love-indifferent relationship with Josh Stone. Sure that white girl gots some soul, but at times she comes off as too young. But I heard this new song of hers and she tears it up. I say give her ten years when she really learns how to feel a record then watch out!


Yeah, thats why I didn't mention her...she needs more life experience to be believable.
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Reply #41 posted 02/01/05 2:22pm

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I didnt know any black people (including myself) that didn't give George Michael props for this faith album. I think its actually less of an inssue with race in the black music community if the person is truly soulful and not just labeled as such. Same with other white or Bi-racial artist. Look at Jon B in the 90's his voice was so soulful I didn't notice he was white. Same with Bobby Calwell if you never saw him you'd swear that "What you wont do for love was by a black artist. But I do believe that sometimes and every race is guilty of it, we'll vote for someone of our race just because they maybe the underdog in thier field ie the eminem/Lenny Kravitz syndrome, they are both very talented but they maybe the only or one of few sucessful artist of their race in their particular genre.

BTW I really hate Dionne Warwick, what happend to her psychic powers when she tried to get that weed thru the airport.
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Reply #42 posted 02/01/05 2:33pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

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I didnt know any black people (including myself) that didn't give George Michael props for this faith album. I think its actually less of an inssue with race in the black music community if the person is truly soulful and not just labeled as such. Same with other white or Bi-racial artist. Look at Jon B in the 90's his voice was so soulful I didn't notice he was white. Same with Bobby Calwell if you never saw him you'd swear that "What you wont do for love was by a black artist. But I do believe that sometimes and every race is guilty of it, we'll vote for someone of our race just because they maybe the underdog in thier field ie the eminem/Lenny Kravitz syndrome, they are both very talented but they maybe the only or one of few sucessful artist of their race in their particular genre.

BTW I really hate Dionne Warwick, what happend to her psychic powers when she tried to get that weed thru the airport.



Oh my God. I just heard Bobby Caldwell's song a second ago and all my life I thought he was black.

I agree on the blue-eyed soul thing. I think George Michael and Lisa Stansfield are great examples. I don't care what color they are as long as it sounds true to the genre. Just as if I was listening to country music, they better sound country.

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Reply #43 posted 02/01/05 3:05pm

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I have a love-indifferent relationship with Josh Stone. Sure that white girl gots some soul, but at times she comes off as too young. But I heard this new song of hers and she tears it up. I say give her ten years when she really learns how to feel a record then watch out!


That's if the industry is still interested in ten years. Mostly likely, a new "young" girl would be getting all the attention.
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Reply #44 posted 02/01/05 9:55pm

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I do believe that sometimes and every race is guilty of it, we'll vote for someone of our race just because they maybe the underdog in thier field ie the eminem/Lenny Kravitz syndrome, they are both very talented but they maybe the only or one of few sucessful artist of their race in their particular genre.


Black folks never supported Lenny Kravitz en masse. Macy Gray either.
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Reply #45 posted 02/01/05 10:02pm

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okaypimpn said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:




Boy George sand a duet with Luther Vandross. I think it was Part Time Lover.



Miguel
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Nah, it was Stevie and Patti was about to give poor Joe Cocker a heart attack with that rendention of "You Are So Beautiful To Me." One more note and the poor guy would've killed over.
Luther also performed with Boy George on What Becomes Of The Broken Hearted. Let just say, BG couldn't keep up. lol
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Reply #46 posted 02/01/05 10:03pm

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sextonseven said:

paisleypark4 said:


I Want Your Sex, Monkey, Hard Day are not really soul records.


That's right, those records were funk! Especially Jam & Lewis' remix of Monkey.
nod Especially Shep Pettibone's remix of Hard Day.
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Reply #47 posted 02/01/05 10:08pm

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WhamBamGlamSlam said:

I do believe that sometimes and every race is guilty of it, we'll vote for someone of our race just because they maybe the underdog in thier field ie the eminem/Lenny Kravitz syndrome, they are both very talented but they maybe the only or one of few sucessful artist of their race in their particular genre.


Black folks never supported Lenny Kravitz en masse. Macy Gray either.


Yeah you right but if you ask many black people who claim to like rock many times the will say o(+> then lenny automatically.
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Reply #48 posted 02/01/05 11:32pm

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thesexofit said:



George just got criticized 4 it a bit, even though of course it was not his fault. It wasn't a major story, which is why I brought it up to get peoples views on it etc.....

U can understand how blacks could be a bit miffed at George winning. The soul album catorgory is one that blacks want the most.....they work hard 4 that and then a white guy comes along and takes it! U can see some anger surely?
[Edited 1/28/05 11:13am]


Some blacks would take George Michael (Faith-era) over Justin Timberlake in a heartbeat!!!
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Reply #49 posted 02/01/05 11:36pm

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Harlepolis said:

thedoorkeeper said:

I don't remember that happening - most have missed that one.
I do remember when he won the Soul Train award
& Dionne Warwick threw a hissy fit.


Speaking of Soul Train.

Remember when Whitney got booed th fuck out? OMG that dog disbelief lol


Or MC Hammer? Or Color Me Badd? Or TLC after winning more than 2 awards?
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Reply #50 posted 02/01/05 11:37pm

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Soulchild82 said:

WhamBamGlamSlam said:



Black folks never supported Lenny Kravitz en masse. Macy Gray either.


Yeah you right but if you ask many black people who claim to like rock many times the will say o(+> then lenny automatically.


...and KISS or Aerosmith!
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Reply #51 posted 02/02/05 2:32am

Janfriend

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You don't have to be black to have soul. Teena Marie, George Michael, Phil Collins, maybe Justin Timberlake (depending on who you ask). It's all about being able to convincingly make us feel the mood of the song. Freedom was a great album with great soul ballads. I've purchased the tape and the cd it's timeless.


That little fucker does not have soul!

Anyway, this thread is hilarious. I don't remember the ruckus over George, but "Faith" was considered and r&b/soul album eek What brand of crack were they smokin'? Why are people surprised by the anger over it? What it comes down is r&b, soul,jazz, and blues was considered solely "black music" by white folks until they decided they wanted to do it themselves. Then, it suddenly isn't about race anymore, everybody can have soul now. What a crock of shit!

So, you refuse to play us on your stations and have white artists cover our songs until you decide it's acceptable by all and put one of yours in one of the categories you set aside for us because we couldn't be included in yours

Where's the confusion, really. I completely understand why Freddy, Dionne and who the fuck ever would be angry. I'm still not getting the whole "Faith" being r&b/soul thing confuse That's the same as putting Timberfake's ass in the same category as D'Angelo, Angie Stone, and Maxwell. Don't make sense
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Reply #52 posted 02/02/05 7:24am

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Rhondab said:

hmm When did this happen.....


ya'll have some hella memories...


This was on a salute to the Apollo show that was on in 1985 or 1986 if memory serves, on NBC. It was a couple years after that Motown special , which was a big hit. I remember Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson, Luther Vandross, George Michael, Boy George, Joe Cocker, Patti Labelle, Rod Stewart, and I think Wilson Pickett.
I had this on tape, too. Should go dig it out and watch it again
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Reply #53 posted 02/02/05 7:49am

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WhamBamGlamSlam said:

I do believe that sometimes and every race is guilty of it, we'll vote for someone of our race just because they maybe the underdog in thier field ie the eminem/Lenny Kravitz syndrome, they are both very talented but they maybe the only or one of few sucessful artist of their race in their particular genre.


Black folks never supported Lenny Kravitz en masse. Macy Gray either.


That's because generally "Black" radio stations and video outlets have a limited view of what constitutes Black music . Artists who do styles (or even more important it seems, dresses or looks a certain way), that doesn't fit what's considered acceptable on these stations , are kept out, and don't get exposure to the Black audience. And most people aren't that adventurous in their musical tastes, so they accept what they're fed, and don't go out of their way to hear new things and learn to appreciate them .

I really wish there was a station that focused on Black music that played everything from Ella to Muddy Waters to Chuck Berry to Charlie Pride to
Wynton Marsalis to Public Enemy to the Ojays, but I guess that's only a dream
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Reply #54 posted 02/02/05 8:18am

MIGUELGOMEZ

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Rhondab said:

hmm When did this happen.....


ya'll have some hella memories...


This was on a salute to the Apollo show that was on in 1985 or 1986 if memory serves, on NBC. It was a couple years after that Motown special , which was a big hit. I remember Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson, Luther Vandross, George Michael, Boy George, Joe Cocker, Patti Labelle, Rod Stewart, and I think Wilson Pickett.
I had this on tape, too. Should go dig it out and watch it again



I watched this tape last night. It was called Back to the Apollo. It really was a great show. (I watched it because I taped it for an orger) Patti Labelle tore it up. Sam Harris sang Somewhere Over The Rainbow Jennifer Holiday style and tore it up too. This show actually made me get into Sarah Vaughn. She performed live and there was clip of her singing The Nearness of You. Wow!!! It was nice to watch again after all these years.

Miguel
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Reply #55 posted 02/02/05 8:22am

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okaypimpn said:



Nah, it was Stevie and Patti was about to give poor Joe Cocker a heart attack with that rendention of "You Are So Beautiful To Me." One more note and the poor guy would've killed over.
Luther also performed with Boy George on What Becomes Of The Broken Hearted. Let just say, BG couldn't keep up. lol



You know, I absolutely LOVE Boy George's voice BUT you are absolutely right. In both of his performances, w/Stevie and w/Luther Boy couldn't catch up. There are some few moments that are good but not overall. Part Time Lover was out of his range he had to go low register and it didn't sound good. George Michael and Rod Stewart sang way better than he did unfortunately.

Miguel
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Reply #56 posted 02/02/05 8:50am

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George Michael got some hate by blacks at the american music awards in 1988 when he beat Bobby Brown, Keith sweat etc to win soul album of the year? Should he of been in that catorgory in the first place?

Did u agree that George should not of even been nominated for soul album of the year? U reckon he won because whites saw a white guy in a black catorgory so deliberately voted for him just because of his skin colour?

Anyone remember this? Whats ur view on it now? I understand why some black people were pissed off, but "faith" was a soul album right?.....the backing vox, the rhythm of the tracks.....all black influence!
[Edited 1/28/05 11:14am]


So on this premise. Prince, MJ, Jimi etc... could not qaulify for rock awards becasue they are black?

I like to leave color out of it. If it was a soul album, regardless of who made it, and their level of skin pigmintation, it should have been in the running. GM was widely accepted as a soul artist back then, so it was legit.

Your right though, the "we need white savor" syndrome ia always a factor!
ala Justin Timberlake now he is a ripoff if there ever was one!
But GM was legit.
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Reply #57 posted 02/02/05 9:32am

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Dissonance said:

thesexofit said:

George Michael got some hate by blacks at the american music awards in 1988 when he beat Bobby Brown, Keith sweat etc to win soul album of the year? Should he of been in that catorgory in the first place?

Did u agree that George should not of even been nominated for soul album of the year? U reckon he won because whites saw a white guy in a black catorgory so deliberately voted for him just because of his skin colour?

Anyone remember this? Whats ur view on it now? I understand why some black people were pissed off, but "faith" was a soul album right?.....the backing vox, the rhythm of the tracks.....all black influence!
[Edited 1/28/05 11:14am]


So on this premise. Prince, MJ, Jimi etc... could not qaulify for rock awards becasue they are black?

I like to leave color out of it. If it was a soul album, regardless of who made it, and their level of skin pigmintation, it should have been in the running. GM was widely accepted as a soul artist back then, so it was legit.

Your right though, the "we need white savor" syndrome ia always a factor!
ala Justin Timberlake now he is a ripoff if there ever was one!
But GM was legit.





and as both a black rocker and a huge gm fan....whoever hated, let 'em hate
gm is the bomb

listen without prejudice, pun intended...
posture your mandables towards the sky
and oscilate them in an apathetic manner

throw your hands in the air and wave 'em like you just don't care
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Reply #58 posted 02/02/05 3:41pm

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I remember this well as it was a topic amongst some friends of mine for quite some time. This was the same year that Bobby McFerrin won best pop album of the year. It was an issue for many on the black community at the time because George's record wasn't THAT popular among black folks. Since the black community is a huge minority when it comes to Grammy votes, lots of people were pissed. At the time, R&B was considered primarily black folk's music. This was before the overly political correct 90s era, so it was understood and no one seemed to have a problem with it. Since most of the Grammy voters are white males, many found it offensive that George was "aced in" by his own people. Black folk liked George - even I like George, but at the time not more than the other nominees. Back then, the Grammys held more merit than they do these days. Personally, I was done with them in '87 when they voted Paul Simon's "Graceland" as album of the year over Janet Jackson's
Control" That was some bullshit. Never cared about a Grammy since.
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Reply #59 posted 02/07/05 8:17am

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Janfriend said:

VanitySixx said:

You don't have to be black to have soul. Teena Marie, George Michael, Phil Collins, maybe Justin Timberlake (depending on who you ask). It's all about being able to convincingly make us feel the mood of the song. Freedom was a great album with great soul ballads. I've purchased the tape and the cd it's timeless.


That little fucker does not have soul!

Anyway, this thread is hilarious. I don't remember the ruckus over George, but "Faith" was considered and r&b/soul album eek What brand of crack were they smokin'? Why are people surprised by the anger over it? What it comes down is r&b, soul,jazz, and blues was considered solely "black music" by white folks until they decided they wanted to do it themselves. Then, it suddenly isn't about race anymore, everybody can have soul now. What a crock of shit!

So, you refuse to play us on your stations and have white artists cover our songs until you decide it's acceptable by all and put one of yours in one of the categories you set aside for us because we couldn't be included in yours

Where's the confusion, really. I completely understand why Freddy, Dionne and who the fuck ever would be angry. I'm still not getting the whole "Faith" being r&b/soul thing confuse That's the same as putting Timberfake's ass in the same category as D'Angelo, Angie Stone, and Maxwell. Don't make sense


Whoa.....soul is not exclusive to blacks u know! What the fuck r u smoking?
Comparing George to Timberlake is bollocks too. Timberlake had black producers so theres that answer.....Goerge did it all his damn self!
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