URL: http://prince.org/msg/7/85954/
Date printed: Sun 22nd Nov 2009 7:06pm PST
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It's official: Billboard article on Sony/Columbia releasing Musicology April 20th-Updated http://www.billboard.com/bb/biz/index.jsp
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P&D = Piss-on & Destroy?
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p & d= press & distribute Silence Speaks A Thousand Words. |
jagshrapnel said: P&D = Piss-on & Destroy?
Isnt the free CD at the concerts just the single? Cant see him giving away the album, he needs the $$$ for Mani's new hat! [This message was edited Tue Mar 23 13:42:20 2004 by jagshrapnel] According to reports...no. It appears to be the full album. This was posted today on a seperate thread. I had been wondering this myself. Glad to hear it's the whole album. Christian Zombie Vampires |
The cd given away at the concerts and simulcast movie theater shows is the whole album. That's why the simulcast shows are $15.00 instead of the usual $8.50 movie price. The cost of the cd is included in there. Probably included in the concerts ticket price as well, as was discussed earlier when all this came about. Everybody involved is gonna make their money. Sony definitely would not have put their $$ in if they saw no potential for profit. Contrary to what some folks may think here, I believe that Prince has put a lot of thought into 2004, and he's probably gonna have a frickin' party (cha-CHING!)with his accountant (cha-CHING!) after all is said and done |
OdysseyMiles said: ....instead of the usual $8.50 movie price.
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I read on www.velvetrope.com that Sony also takes over the catalogue from WB and will remaster the lot, but personally i don't blieve that for a second. Anyone? "It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."
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i just talked to a buddy at columbia and they said that everyone is psyched about the new single.. and contrary to what i have read in some corners the warner bros. catalog did not come with him. |
yeah it has 2 b the ful album. He didnt need Sony 2 release them via the NPG, it doesnt need a barcode on it. I dunno. When we say that the purpose of life is to find God, surely that desire to find God is an escape from life -Conciouscontact
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Hope Sony do/did get the back catalog - theyre fast-ish at getting stuff remastered onto SACD, altho WB did a stellar job with Fleetwood Mac's Rumours 24/96 remaster.
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By all accounts, this isn't a record deal in the regular sense. This is an Emancipation/Rave type distribution/promtion deal.
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SpcMs said: I read on www.velvetrope.com that Sony also takes over the catalogue from WB and will remaster the lot, but personally i don't blieve that for a second. Anyone?
That's very possible. It happened with AC/DC. AC/DC acquired the rights to their music and inked a longterm P&D deal. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Okay, Excellent - Anyone know what kind of style this cd will be?
"3 1 2 1" |
facedown7 said: Okay, Excellent - Anyone know what kind of style this cd will be?
Ask again in about 6 days. |
Someone 2 xplain the meanin' of "P & D" deal, please????? The Ignorant asserts,The learned doubts,The wise thinks.
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packaging and distribution |
facedown7 said: Okay, Excellent - Anyone know what kind of style this cd will be?
Round. Purple Fact #542: Prince can make a Weeble™ fall down. |
The "first" single....hmmmm
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Just hope it's funky funky funky -
"3 1 2 1" |
Yeah , its too tough.
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Oh yeah, some people keep wanting Purple Rain and 1999 over and over again. And it just isn't going to happen "3 1 2 1" |
I think this is great news! When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. |
YES it is excellent news - long over due "3 1 2 1" |
marcdeondotcom said: Now the question is:
What kind of bonus material will be included on the Sony release? He can't just give away tens of thousands of albums. There has to be something that will make the Sony release special. Ya know, something that will make us want to buy it again. jagshrapnel said: U get a Jehova pamphlet with the CD
...and the inside sleeve folds out to the shape of Mani's big HAT. Seriously - I hope that the giveaways don't hurt his legitimate sales. Is it safe to assume that the freebies don't count towards record sales figures for Billboard??? If Prince.Org shuts down, I'm writing SLAVE on my left buttcheek! |
marcdeondotcom said: Now the question is: What kind of bonus material will be included on the Sony release? He can't just give away tens of thousands of albums. There has to be something that will make the Sony release special. Ya know, something that will make us want to buy it again. Exactly what I was thinking!! I'm seeing him in Boston on 8/17. So am I supposed to wait until August to get the CD for free? Buy the CD when it comes out (which, presumably, I've already paid for with my ticket purchase)? Or download it next week (via Kazaa or one of "those" places) and get a "real" copy in August? Rrrrrr..... "Radio Boy Said It Wasn't Rock / Another Said It Wasn't Urban Pop / Man This Bullshit Here Has Got To Stop / I'm Just Trying To Make Some Music" - Stevie Salas, Tell Your Story Walkin' (1995) |
and the beat goes on... OK Prince. This year... if your ready, then Im ready.
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I'm gettin a copy of Musicology on Monday & I can't wait 2 buy the Sony copy Don't u want to come , 3121. It's gonna be so much fun, 3121. That's where the party be, 3121. Y'all can come if u want to, but u can never leave! |
PurpleJedi said: Seriously - I hope that the giveaways don't hurt his legitimate sales. Is it safe to assume that the freebies don't count towards record sales figures for Billboard???
At least freebies don't count in UK. I doubt they would count as sales in the US either. |
muleFunk said: Yeah , its too tough.
I am impressed with Prince and the ability to walk off the street and release an album.Clearly the folks see some potential in the album and hopefully do it "right". However ! Prince can release the next Purple Rain, SOTT, 1999 and people here will cry,bitch,and moan because ...."it wasn't like_____!" Peace to Prince ! Sad but true... Blue |
PUBLISHING and distribution. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on |
Stax said: PUBLISHING and distribution.
Exactly. |
From Reuters: Former corporate 'slave' Prince signs with Sony
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It's basically just a one album deal. Distribution. |
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Here's more! from a movie scene. I said, "Don't mind, but what do you mean I am the one who will dance on the floor in the round?" Rest in Peace Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009 |
So what cities are these simulcasts being broadcast in? www.adamjames.net -official website
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what about a CD (musicology) & DVD (musicology tour opener concert) combo release from Sony (or maybe we could order via npgmc -i don't care!) ..... that way...all that saw the concert in theatres in the states can 'buy a special 'bonus edition' to go with their free copy, (ie Prince gets paid twice!)...and all us ppl stuck outside the US...can get 2 see the concert....that way no-one loses and prince makes more $$$....what do u all think? doubt it'll happen...but if Bowie can do it and a lot of other bands r doing that now....y not prince?
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guitarslinger44 said: So what cities are these simulcasts being broadcast in?
Anywhere there's a Regal Cinema, I think. from a movie scene. I said, "Don't mind, but what do you mean I am the one who will dance on the floor in the round?" Rest in Peace Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009 |
daPrettyman said: SpcMs said: I read on www.velvetrope.com that Sony also takes over the catalogue from WB and will remaster the lot, but personally i don't blieve that for a second. Anyone?
That's very possible. It happened with AC/DC. AC/DC acquired the rights to their music and inked a longterm P&D deal. wrong. AC/DC was never signed to Atlantic. They were signed to an indie in OZ that liscensed the music to Atlantic. When AC/DC went to Sony. Sony was given the same deal by the origional label. so it's not a valid argument. |
The chances are that the Sony version will be fuller or have added bonus disc. Record companies compete even within themselves due to different release dates and tracklisiting. If the US release something 6 weeks prior to Europe then the European release will often have more tracks or a second disc with DVD / remixes. (to get those that bought on import to re-buy their version)
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NME said: The chances are that the Sony version will be fuller or have added bonus disc. Record companies compete even within themselves due to different release dates and tracklisiting. If the US release something 6 weeks prior to Europe then the European release will often have more tracks or a second disc with DVD / remixes. (to get those that bought on import to re-buy their version)
This would be i viable way for Sony to make this profitable for them, while letting Prince give away his 'weaker' package at the gigs..... There have to be additions / changes in some respects. Although having said that, when (assuming he does) Prince gets his ass over to Europe, we all will have bought the damn cd already. So if he goes hiking the ticket prices to include a "free" cd he knows damn well we already have, i'll be pissed. If it's along the lines of giving Rave in2 out at European concerts knowing that we all have Rave un2, then that's cool. But otherwise ebay is going to be over-frickin-run with copies. "Super Rare Prince CD !!!" etc etc. |
Romance1600 said: By all accounts, this isn't a record deal in the regular sense. This is an Emancipation/Rave type distribution/promtion deal.
Presumably based on this release only? "Sources say the new deal offers Columbia the possibility to work with Prince on future releases" It says "the possibility". Seems like a lose deal for the future. Hope Prince has that same "possibility" and not an obligation to work with them again. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. |
July said: Stax said: PUBLISHING and distribution.
Exactly. Nah, packaging/ manufacturing and distribution of the disc, no publishing. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. |
Abrazo said: July said: Exactly. Nah, packaging/ manufacturing and distribution of the disc, no publishing. Yeah. |
I think it is a good deal for Prince. I think he knows what he is doing. |
I think it's a great deal for...Sony. I mean, they're surely gon make money out of this deal. They aint got to give no budget to the artist to create the album or nothing, all them gotta do is put the album out. And receive the money. And they know for sure that this album is gonna go at least Gold. Gold if there aint no hit in it, Platinum if any single makes an impact.
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DaIllest said: I think it's a great deal for...Sony. I mean, they're surely gon make money out of this deal. They aint got to give no budget to the artist to create the album or nothing, all them gotta do is put the album out. And receive the money. And they know for sure that this album is gonna go at least Gold. Gold if there aint no hit in it, Platinum if any single makes an impact.
BTW, that release date (April 20th) is only for the US??? When will we europeans get the album? That's the trade off. They don't get into the creative part. Prince is paying them to get it out to the customers. They are the albums hot plate servers.
They carry it to the table and set it down. That is what they do. Prince is the Chef. |
Tiens, tiens... |
If the cd is gonna have a $18.98 price, and people going to see the live show at the movie theatres are only paying $15 AND get a free album... Well, that's like giving them £3.98 for just turning up!!! Good deal!!!
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Bull said: packaging and distribution
That means P gets no money up front like with (Rave/Eman)... he takes the full risk And he had to forfeit the exclusive rights But half a loaf is better than... |
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facedown7 said: Oh yeah, some people keep wanting Purple Rain and 1999 over and over again. And it just isn't going to happen
I don't think people want these albums again but rather the FEELING they/we had when we first heard these, and other, classic Prince albums. That's all. We want that high again!! The drug can change and the dealer should remain the same, but we want to be on another damn high!!!! |
facedown7 said: Just hope it's funky funky funky -
no more jazz or piano solo stuff - it's time to get back to the FUNK! Co-sign |
alexnvrmnd said: facedown7 said: Oh yeah, some people keep wanting Purple Rain and 1999 over and over again. And it just isn't going to happen
I don't think people want these albums again but rather the FEELING they/we had when we first heard these, and other, classic Prince albums. That's all. We want that high again!! The drug can change and the dealer should remain the same, but we want to be on another damn high!!!! Great answer. We don't want to relive those albums, we want to really enjoy the music! |
herb4 said: facedown7 said: Just hope it's funky funky funky -
no more jazz or piano solo stuff - it's time to get back to the FUNK! Co-sign Although I doubt anyone is going to choose Princes old school muzak/funk over todays fresh club dance trax and modern videos... its good to see him return to the FUNK! |
July said: Stax said: PUBLISHING and distribution.
Exactly. Nope. Prince has a long term publishing deal with Universal Music Group. P&D stands for Packaging & Distribution (that's the industry standard term for this). Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) |
Keep in mind, if Prince and Sony plan to do a full out promotional campaign for this disc, then much of the average public would buy it in the stores, completely unaware of the giveaway promotion. Also, fans who would have to wait for him to come to their town months down the line won't wait for the concert, they'll buy it in the stores. I seriously doubt that the giveaway at concerts and movie theaters is going to negatively imapct sales all that much. Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) |
facedown7 said: Oh yeah, some people keep wanting Purple Rain and 1999 over and over again. And it just isn't going to happen
- TRUE! I just hope he makes great songs. I mean, strong compositions and kick ass band work. Peace
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This is the first Prince album ever where the songs couldn't be found on bootleg a year before hand. About time. |
JediMaster said: July said: Exactly. Nope. Prince has a long term publishing deal with Universal Music Group. P&D stands for Packaging & Distribution (that's the industry standard term for this). Like I said, PRESSING & distribution. http://www.concentric.net/~Cpaglia/Terms.html a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on |
July said: DaIllest said: I think it's a great deal for...Sony. I mean, they're surely gon make money out of this deal. They aint got to give no budget to the artist to create the album or nothing, all them gotta do is put the album out. And receive the money. And they know for sure that this album is gonna go at least Gold. Gold if there aint no hit in it, Platinum if any single makes an impact.
BTW, that release date (April 20th) is only for the US??? When will we europeans get the album? That's the trade off. They don't get into the creative part. Prince is paying them to get it out to the customers. They are the albums hot plate servers.
They carry it to the table and set it down. That is what they do. Prince is the Chef. and makes more money too. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. |
metalorange said: It seems we can't come to a conclusion what 'P' in P&D deal is. Promotion? Publishing? Packaging? I'd prefer 'Promotion' because albums can fail if no one bothers to go out there and tell anyone!
It's packaging as in producing the copies that will be distributed, also called pressing, but promotion is surely also a part of it. I think it's likely they agreed that both have to do their part in that... [This message was edited Wed Mar 24 8:10:13 2004 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. |
Sorry it's in Dutch (www.sonymusic.nl)
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a little info on p & d deals:
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jagshrapnel said: Hope Sony do/did get the back catalog - theyre fast-ish at getting stuff remastered onto SACD, altho WB did a stellar job with Fleetwood Mac's Rumours 24/96 remaster.
So George Michael leaves Sony and goes to the Internet and Prince leaves Internet and goes to Sony, who saw that coming? My goodness, when I saw the title of this thread I was thinking the same thing! 'dre Official ORG Sex Symbol: Totally SHEXY!
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My guess is that this will happen:
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So Prince is in charge of the promotion? Oh my. Then it'll be difficult to sell. |
phunkymunky said: My guess is that this will happen:
1) CD given away at concerts will be the Musicology album (all new material) 2) CD available at record stores will be a double CD - CD1 being the same Musicology CD as given away at the concerts plus a bonus disc of jazzy/revamped versions of classic songs like 'Kiss' and 'The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker' - It would be very interesting Peace
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GustavoRibas said: phunkymunky said: My guess is that this will happen:
1) CD given away at concerts will be the Musicology album (all new material) 2) CD available at record stores will be a double CD - CD1 being the same Musicology CD as given away at the concerts plus a bonus disc of jazzy/revamped versions of classic songs like 'Kiss' and 'The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker' - It would be very interesting How about 1) CD Given away at concerts with at least 14 new songs 2) CD available in stores with a bonus cd of extended jazz/classical pieces that REALLY show of his "Musicology" skills or 3) A Bonus DVD. Plenty of artists do this nowadays. |
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