lrn36 said:

jaawwnn said:

Two negatives make a positive right? Rap can be art, just like pop can be art. Cool, cool. Good thread.

Rap goes all the way back.

https://www.youtube.com/w...gvCCWcR5dM

https://www.youtube.com/w...UAzLpG8sf8

https://www.youtube.com/w...RS62nccwmw

https://www.youtube.com/w...jlhzf_84JM

word...and it goes back even further than that...WAY further...to Africa and the Middle East.

thebanishedone said:

During the whole decade of the 80's Prince was redefining musical landscapes

without any fear he was pushing the enveloupe.

But starting with the 1991 Diamonds And Pearls Prince incorporated rap into his sound

and overall dumbed his sound to make it safe.I think we can agree

that Diamonds And Pearls is Prince at his safest ,a far cry from the 1980-1988 daring artist.

Why Prince start with compromises when it comes to his music?

Was it being disillusion with his own vision?

Getting scared from the new sounds coming from the streets that he couldn't relate to?

Financial loss from commercial flops of his projects or something else?

Prince didn't make money from the Lovesexy Tour. Batman gave him the cash infusion he probably was expecting from Lovesexy, and then Graffitti Bridge was a flop while Paisley Park was bleeding cash. I don't know why Prince did the things he did, but I think one can surmise that he felt he needed money, and needed to get on the mains stream charts to keep his relevance.

Honestly. I think he would have avoided the mainstream slump in America if he had just toured Sigh of the Times in the U.S.

BanishedBrian said:

Margot said:

Oh, my.

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Which part is inaccurate?

I agree with you..."Oh, my" was directed @ Prince's actions

I think gradual conservatism comes naturally with age, life events, increased assets and 'overhead'.

He had PP, musicians, engineers, additional homes, Larry, JW's, wives, death of a child, other costly projects, etc...each will take a bite from your creativity.

Vannormal said:

Polo1026 said:

Incorporating Rap means you've compromised your art?

Is Rap NOT art?

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No no no.

remeber the interview with Susan Rogers ?

There she said it exactly the way it was. Rap was 'it'. The new thing.

And Prince knew somhow he was going to be overtaken by this other new movement that was not his own.

In a way it manifested itself through the new youngsters with a new street attitude and a new street sound, while Prince changed his street credibity for stardom.

Th)t kinda rap he incorporated was indeed a compromise,and yes it remains art.

But not the kind of art that came from his guts, from his deapest soul and rudeness he knew before.

He started to 'copy' a style. The guy basically was uptil then a innovator.

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Rap IS art. I have loads of damn good rap albums, Prince would never ever be able to make.

Like Bob Dylan never would be able to make a funk album like 1999.

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GREAT Rap is ART!

So would an ARTIST be compromising his ART to try expressing it through another artistic expression?

NO!

There would be nothing wrong with Dylan trying a funk album should he feel it was a vehicle to express something he wanted to convey to an audience.

Whether or not Prince was good at rap is irrelevant. An artist has license to try and express themselves through any ART available to them.

Polo1026 said:

rednblue said:

Margot said:

Margot said:

I think gradual conservatism comes naturally with age, life events, increased assets and 'overhead'.

He had PP, musicians, engineers, additional homes, Larry, JW's, wives, death of a child, other costly projects, etc...each will take a bite from your creativity.

I'm more radical than I have ever been.

heartpeacesheart said:

You peeps really should check out "The Art of Rap" documentary that featured Ice T.

Polo1026 said:

GREAT Rap is ART!

So would an ARTIST be compromising his ART to try expressing it through another artistic expression?

NO!

There would be nothing wrong with Dylan trying a funk album should he feel it was a vehicle to express something he wanted to convey to an audience.

Whether or not Prince was good at rap is irrelevant. An artist has license to try and express themselves through any ART available to them.

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@heartpeacesheart :

Exactly.

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@Polo1026:

Sure Bob can do whatever he wants. I'll be the first to listen to it.

Sure every artist can try whatever style.

Sure that Prince's rap being good or bad is irrelevant.

I'd like to be the judge of when it feels compromising or not (to me).

It's a personal humble opinion, just like all my opinions.

Peace though.

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JudasLChrist said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

JudasLChrist said:

I'm more radical than I have ever been.

Politically he got more radical but musically,nope.

Prince became a full on social conservative for a minute. And he used to give large amounts of money to Minnesota's Republican Senator back in the 90s.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

heartpeacesheart said:

JudasLChrist said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

JudasLChrist said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Yes

Gotta broken heart again

Prince was always about making money. Always. He didn't compromise, he followed a formula and his music changed with the times. He wasn't always as good at it as others, but everything he did was exactly what he always did, just with varying degrees of success.

heartpeacesheart said:

JudasLChrist said:

Prince became a full on social conservative for a minute. And he used to give large amounts of money to Minnesota's Republican Senator back in the 90s.

I don't think that ever happened 😂

All I can find is on Google right now is $3000 and $2000, and then in another post I say "$24,000". But I remember he gave a big amount of money to Rudy Boschwitz back in the day. It was a topic of discussion. I remember people my age in the music scen dismissing Prince because he had become a Republican.

JudasLChrist said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

JudasLChrist said: Politically he got more radical but musically,nope.

Prince became a full on social conservative for a minute. And he used to give large amounts of money to Minnesota's Republican Senator back in the 90s.

It's hard for people to reconcile by Prince's father was very conservative and Prince was very much like him. in the last 15yrs of his life he was very much so.

The interview about him liking Muslim societies because the way of things is plain for everyone and some other things showed a lot of his conservative side.

Many high-net worth people are Republican; they want to conserve their wealth and pay less tax.

Add JW to the mix and he may have had some conservative times.

OldFriends4Sale said:

JudasLChrist said:

Prince became a full on social conservative for a minute. And he used to give large amounts of money to Minnesota's Republican Senator back in the 90s.

It's hard for people to reconcile by Prince's father was very conservative and Prince was very much like him. in the last 15yrs of his life he was very much so.

The interview about him liking Muslim societies because the way of things is plain for everyone and some other things showed a lot of his conservative side.

His worst era. Most definitely.

thebanishedone said:

During the whole decade of the 80's Prince was redefining musical landscapes

without any fear he was pushing the enveloupe.

But starting with the 1991 Diamonds And Pearls Prince incorporated rap into his sound

and overall dumbed his sound to make it safe.I think we can agree

that Diamonds And Pearls is Prince at his safest ,a far cry from the 1980-1988 daring artist.

Why Prince start with compromises when it comes to his music?

Was it being disillusion with his own vision?

Getting scared from the new sounds coming from the streets that he couldn't relate to?

Financial loss from commercial flops of his projects or something else?

I never saw nothin wrong with Prince including rap in his music. I was glad cuz he was finally gettin with the times and at the same time still his own artist. He probably didn't like it at first and then it started growing on him and he started liking it later on.

JudasLChrist said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It's hard for people to reconcile by Prince's father was very conservative and Prince was very much like him. in the last 15yrs of his life he was very much so.

The interview about him liking Muslim societies because the way of things is plain for everyone and some other things showed a lot of his conservative side.

His worst era. Most definitely.

the hate is real

JudasLChrist said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It's hard for people to reconcile by Prince's father was very conservative and Prince was very much like him. in the last 15yrs of his life he was very much so.

The interview about him liking Muslim societies because the way of things is plain for everyone and some other things showed a lot of his conservative side.

His worst era. Most definitely.

This was the 20Ten album period ?