PeteSilas said:

funkenberry said he was seeing dead people in his dreams or something too and he was saying he astral projected, he was close to death, I still think that the others on here who claim to know him hinting that he had some sort of underlying health issue(s) were right and that he was coping with more than an opiate addiction.

Sadly, I'm still waiting for any scientific evidence that any of the above (in bold) is possible. And I say "sadly" because I wish it, and used to believe it was possible, but at this stage in my life, I've come to the conclusion that any such thing is very unlikely to be real.

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As far as coping with more than an opiate addiction I demand evidence, no more no less.

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Which does not mean that one can't have an intuition about one's own death. I think when you've been struggling with pain for years and abusing opiates as a consequence, and you add a little dose of depression on top of it, there is a strong chance that you may know you're pushing yourself beyond your capacities and that you may not go one forever like this. It's pretty much the same with recreational drugs or alcohol addictions, which often result from depression anyway: at some point you know you're playing with your life. And worse than that, depression makes you feel like your life is over and there is no perspective anyway, so you unrealistically expect the end to be near, and actually sometimes work on it actively by using drugs or meds abusively

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could be right.

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

funkenberry said he was seeing dead people in his dreams or something too and he was saying he astral projected, he was close to death, I still think that the others on here who claim to know him hinting that he had some sort of underlying health issue(s) were right and that he was coping with more than an opiate addiction.

Sadly, I'm still waiting for any scientific evidence that any of the above (in bold) is possible. And I say "sadly" because I wish it, and used to believe it was possible, but at this stage in my life, I've come to the conclusion that any such thing is very unlikely to be real.

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As far as coping with more than an opiate addiction I demand evidence, no more no less.

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Which does not mean that one can't have an intuition about one's own death. I think when you've been struggling with pain for years and abusing opiates as a consequence, and you add a little dose of depression on top of it, there is a strong chance that you may know you're pushing yourself beyond your capacities and that you may not go one forever like this. It's pretty much the same with recreational drugs or alcohol addictions, which often result from depression anyway: at some point you know you're playing with your life. And worse than that, depression makes you bfeel like your life is over and there is no perspective anyway, so you unrealistically expect the end to be near, and actually sometimes work on it actively by using drugs or meds abusively

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databank said:

Unlikely, or if I may say convenient now that we know what we know. We know that he chose to push himself regadless of illness and when you do that you know you won't last forever, but we also kind of know that he chose to do a piano tour so he could sit and perform and that he wanted to see an addiction doctor right before he passed, so I'm not sure he knew his days were numbered, they wouldn't have been if he'd been off the drugs and had taken care of his illness the way most regular people would in his situation. It's not like he had cancer or aids or anything like that, you can live with pain forever if you don't make it worse and manage it.

....and IF you have a terminal illness, you have no problem obtaining legitimate painkillers. You also have had a diagnosis via medical doctors.

He knew he was aging and didn't like it much (all those too-Photoshopped images). He didn't feel good because his body was breaking down *and* the painkillers were making him sick. He had every symptom of drug dependence and shrugged it off (denial) until it was too late.

He wasn't dying of a terminal illness.

laytonian said:

databank said:

Unlikely, or if I may say convenient now that we know what we know. We know that he chose to push himself regadless of illness and when you do that you know you won't last forever, but we also kind of know that he chose to do a piano tour so he could sit and perform and that he wanted to see an addiction doctor right before he passed, so I'm not sure he knew his days were numbered, they wouldn't have been if he'd been off the drugs and had taken care of his illness the way most regular people would in his situation. It's not like he had cancer or aids or anything like that, you can live with pain forever if you don't make it worse and manage it.

....and IF you have a terminal illness, you have no problem obtaining legitimate painkillers. You also have had a diagnosis via medical doctors.

He knew he was aging and didn't like it much (all those too-Photoshopped images). He didn't feel good because his body was breaking down *and* the painkillers were making him sick. He had every symptom of drug dependence and shrugged it off (denial) until it was too late.

He wasn't dying of a terminal illness.

ok, but there have been enough people close to him who have said things about it here and other places, enough to make me wonder. Unfortunately, i have to agree that someone so used to being in control, being competent, didn't much like the aging process. They say james brown started on drugs because he wasn't the main black star anymore and he was losing his ability to be a perfect showman. Pure ego, it's the devil, accept being human or you pay the price.

laytonian said:

databank said:

Unlikely, or if I may say convenient now that we know what we know. We know that he chose to push himself regadless of illness and when you do that you know you won't last forever, but we also kind of know that he chose to do a piano tour so he could sit and perform and that he wanted to see an addiction doctor right before he passed, so I'm not sure he knew his days were numbered, they wouldn't have been if he'd been off the drugs and had taken care of his illness the way most regular people would in his situation. It's not like he had cancer or aids or anything like that, you can live with pain forever if you don't make it worse and manage it.

....and IF you have a terminal illness, you have no problem obtaining legitimate painkillers. You also have had a diagnosis via medical doctors.

He knew he was aging and didn't like it much (all those too-Photoshopped images). He didn't feel good because his body was breaking down *and* the painkillers were making him sick. He had every symptom of drug dependence and shrugged it off (denial) until it was too late.

He wasn't dying of a terminal illness.

Yes, that's what I said:

As far as coping with more than an opiate addiction I demand evidence, no more no less.

No such evidence has been presented to me so far.

PeteSilas said:

laytonian said:

....and IF you have a terminal illness, you have no problem obtaining legitimate painkillers. You also have had a diagnosis via medical doctors.

He knew he was aging and didn't like it much (all those too-Photoshopped images). He didn't feel good because his body was breaking down *and* the painkillers were making him sick. He had every symptom of drug dependence and shrugged it off (denial) until it was too late.

He wasn't dying of a terminal illness.

ok, but there have been enough people close to him who have said things about it here and other places, enough to make me wonder. Unfortunately, i have to agree that someone so used to being in control, being competent, didn't much like the aging process. They say james brown started on drugs because he wasn't the main black star anymore and he was losing his ability to be a perfect showman. Pure ego, it's the devil, accept being human or you pay the price.

Another point I've reached in my life is one where, in this internet age where 11/9 and moonlandings are being questioned based on vague conjectures and lies, unless provided with solid evidence or a consensus by the sort of people who would know better (in that case, the investigators and journalists), I shall not indulge in allowing my judgement to be influenced by what some people may have said or implied, let alone amateur online investigators the sort of which we've seen plenty of on the Org since P died.

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I must admit I have not bothered studying the case as closely as many fans have, I actually didn't because I know I do not have the means to challenge the police's and the press's conclusions from my living room. Which does not mean that nothing remains to be clarified, explained or revealed, but that until any such things happens, the investigation reached its conclusion and no serious journalist have challenged said conclusion. That's enough for me and that's the only reasonabe conclusion unless one is willing and able to go on the field, interview people, get solid evidence, write a book and risk their credibility in order to try and get a Pullitzer Prize or at least a worldwide scoop, which is the sort of rewards professional journalists are craving for but cannot obtain as easily as the internet make many poeple believe they can.

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Not to say you're one of those people, clearly you're not jumping to any conclusion and you're just wondering, but to explain why I so easily dismiss any alternative theory.

his autopsy and the info is purposely scant and vague, that's enough to make me wonder. I just hope i'm alive when his autopsy is released. I've studied enough great musicians to realize there are always people who said somebody died some way other than the obvious, elvis had people close to him claiming he had bone cancer, turns out that he was trying to find out who was leaking info and told someone he had bone cancer to see if it would get out, sam cooke got drunk and got himself shot, lots of people just won't believe it's that simple. With Prince, i'm not as interested as I was a couple years ago when i was in shock but I really don't think we have much to go on other than he took fentanyl, I still think he may have just committed suicide. Which, any way you cut it, is what any of us do when we do anything that works against our living on, not matter what we may call it. Lots of people do a slow job on themselves, they really don't like life or living but don't have the guts to end it so they drive crazy or drink too much.

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

ok, but there have been enough people close to him who have said things about it here and other places, enough to make me wonder. Unfortunately, i have to agree that someone so used to being in control, being competent, didn't much like the aging process. They say james brown started on drugs because he wasn't the main black star anymore and he was losing his ability to be a perfect showman. Pure ego, it's the devil, accept being human or you pay the price.

Another point I've reached in my life is one where, in this internet age where 11/9 and moonlandings are being questioned based on vague conjectures and lies, unless provided with solid evidence or a consensus by the sort of people who would know better (in that case, the investigators and journalists), I shall not indulge in allowing my judgement to be influenced by what some people may have said or implied, let alone amateur online investigators the sort of which we've seen plenty of on the Org since P died.

.

I must admit I have not bothered studying the case as closely as many fans have, I actually didn't because I know I do not have the means to challenge the police's and the press's conclusions from my living room. Which does not mean that nothing remains to be clarified, explained or revealed, but that until any such things happens, the investigation reached its conclusion and no serious journalist have challenged said conclusion. That's enough for me and that's the only reasonabe conclusion unless one is willing and able to go on the field, interview people, get solid evidence, write a book and risk their credibility in order to try and get a Pullitzer Prize or at least a worldwide scoop, which is the sort of rewards professional journalists are craving for but cannot obtain as easily as the internet make many poeple believe they can.

.

Not to say you're one of those people, clearly you're not jumping to any conclusion and you're just wondering, but to explain why I so easily dismiss any alternative theory.

PeteSilas said:

his autopsy and the info is purposely scant and vague, that's enough to make me wonder. I just hope i'm alive when his autopsy is released. I've studied enough great musicians to realize there are always people who said somebody died some way other than the obvious, elvis had people close to him claiming he had bone cancer, turns out that he was trying to find out who was leaking info and told someone he had bone cancer to see if it would get out, sam cooke got drunk and got himself shot, lots of people just won't believe it's that simple. With Prince, i'm not as interested as I was a couple years ago when i was in shock but I really don't think we have much to go on other than he took fentanyl, I still think he may have just committed suicide. Which, any way you cut it, is what any of us do when we do anything that works against our living on, not matter what we may call it. Lots of people do a slow job on themselves, they really don't like life or living but don't have the guts to end it so they drive crazy or drink too much.

I know first hand :/

I can't remember who it was but I remember someone in P's circle saying he felt bored at the end of his life, that he didn't know what to do he hadn't done before. That's a typical symptom of depression. And certain books suggest that, like most people, Prince had phases of depression in his life that, again like many people, he would deny and not even admit even in front of his closest friends.

It appears that he'd planned to meet an addiction specialist right before he dies, though, so that suggests he hoped for better days at least consciously.

Now I don't wanna jump to conclusion, all I'm saying is also conjectures based on testimonies and circumstantial evidence at best, and I haven't read (nor do I want to read) any autopsy reports (I wouldn't like people to read mine, and my attitude was the same with the corpse's pix). But the "official" (God do I hate that misleading word) theory makes sense to me.

Death is often meaningless. Most of the time people just get ill, have accidents or fuck-up and have a stupid death, it doesn't matter if they're a rock star or our parents. Things happen.

This being said the Elvis story is hilarious

PeteSilas said:

his autopsy and the info is purposely scant and vague, that's enough to make me wonder. I just hope i'm alive when his autopsy is released.

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What was released was not the autopsy report; it was the standard "cause of death" medical examiner report. I doubt I'm alive when the full report is released in 2046. But it will leak.

Whine: Sorry for the reformatting.
Nothing's more annoying than having to quote 92 lines of several responses just to post my own three lines.

laytonian said:

PeteSilas said:

his autopsy and the info is purposely scant and vague, that's enough to make me wonder. I just hope i'm alive when his autopsy is released.

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What was released was not the autopsy report; it was the standard "cause of death" medical examiner report. I doubt I'm alive when the full report is released in 2046. But it will leak.

Whine: Sorry for the reformatting.
Nothing's more annoying than having to quote 92 lines of several responses just to post my own three lines.

OK thx for clarigfying.

How old would you be in 2046? (if I may ask)

No I have not heard of this song

databank said:

laytonian said:

PeteSilas said:

his autopsy and the info is purposely scant and vague, that's enough to make me wonder. I just hope i'm alive when his autopsy is released.

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What was released was not the autopsy report; it was the standard "cause of death" medical examiner report. I doubt I'm alive when the full report is released in 2046. But it will leak.

Whine: Sorry for the reformatting.
Nothing's more annoying than having to quote 92 lines of several responses just to post my own three lines.

OK thx for clarigfying.

How old would you be in 2046? (if I may ask)

old as fuck

several people have said he was depressed, many of those accounts weren't named but judith hill did go on record in the police interviews saying he was bored and she thought he was depressed and thought a suicide was "50/50".

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

his autopsy and the info is purposely scant and vague, that's enough to make me wonder. I just hope i'm alive when his autopsy is released. I've studied enough great musicians to realize there are always people who said somebody died some way other than the obvious, elvis had people close to him claiming he had bone cancer, turns out that he was trying to find out who was leaking info and told someone he had bone cancer to see if it would get out, sam cooke got drunk and got himself shot, lots of people just won't believe it's that simple. With Prince, i'm not as interested as I was a couple years ago when i was in shock but I really don't think we have much to go on other than he took fentanyl, I still think he may have just committed suicide. Which, any way you cut it, is what any of us do when we do anything that works against our living on, not matter what we may call it. Lots of people do a slow job on themselves, they really don't like life or living but don't have the guts to end it so they drive crazy or drink too much.

I know first hand :/

I can't remember who it was but I remember someone in P's circle saying he felt bored at the end of his life, that he didn't know what to do he hadn't done before. That's a typical symptom of depression. And certain books suggest that, like most people, Prince had phases of depression in his life that, again like many people, he would deny and not even admit even in front of his closest friends.

It appears that he'd planned to meet an addiction specialist right before he dies, though, so that suggests he hoped for better days at least consciously.

Now I don't wanna jump to conclusion, all I'm saying is also conjectures based on testimonies and circumstantial evidence at best, and I haven't read (nor do I want to read) any autopsy reports (I wouldn't like people to read mine, and my attitude was the same with the corpse's pix). But the "official" (God do I hate that misleading word) theory makes sense to me.

Death is often meaningless. Most of the time people just get ill, have accidents or fuck-up and have a stupid death, it doesn't matter if they're a rock star or our parents. Things happen.

This being said the Elvis story is hilarious

also, the way people think, i've noticed with lots of experience, is they don't have their presuppositions changed without some internal resistance. Religious people are like that, scientists are like that, it's just the way the brain works. neil tyson has stated that he needs people who went through paranormal events to bring it into the lab, and that when people see something like a relative of his who was at a funeral and the dead person sat up and talked to them, he said you need to bring shit like that to the lab or get a pic, problem is, no one sets up a lab for those kinds of tthings anndddddddddd....., even if they did, whatever evidence was gotten, the scientists would find some way to call it a fraud. How do you change something like that? I choose to have faith in other realms and other levels of existence, i choose to for the same reason that you should choose life over death at any time, because it is more life affirming and towards the good, not because I actually know anything.

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

ok, but there have been enough people close to him who have said things about it here and other places, enough to make me wonder. Unfortunately, i have to agree that someone so used to being in control, being competent, didn't much like the aging process. They say james brown started on drugs because he wasn't the main black star anymore and he was losing his ability to be a perfect showman. Pure ego, it's the devil, accept being human or you pay the price.

Another point I've reached in my life is one where, in this internet age where 11/9 and moonlandings are being questioned based on vague conjectures and lies, unless provided with solid evidence or a consensus by the sort of people who would know better (in that case, the investigators and journalists), I shall not indulge in allowing my judgement to be influenced by what some people may have said or implied, let alone amateur online investigators the sort of which we've seen plenty of on the Org since P died.

.

I must admit I have not bothered studying the case as closely as many fans have, I actually didn't because I know I do not have the means to challenge the police's and the press's conclusions from my living room. Which does not mean that nothing remains to be clarified, explained or revealed, but that until any such things happens, the investigation reached its conclusion and no serious journalist have challenged said conclusion. That's enough for me and that's the only reasonabe conclusion unless one is willing and able to go on the field, interview people, get solid evidence, write a book and risk their credibility in order to try and get a Pullitzer Prize or at least a worldwide scoop, which is the sort of rewards professional journalists are craving for but cannot obtain as easily as the internet make many poeple believe they can.

.

Not to say you're one of those people, clearly you're not jumping to any conclusion and you're just wondering, but to explain why I so easily dismiss any alternative theory.

databank said:

herb4 said:

AoA is one of the few albums where I didn't find the segue and voiceovers to be distracting and detracting from the work. They seemed to fit and rather being tiresome, served to draw the listener in to ascertain their true meaning and generally blended with the album. Unlike the Kirstie Alley, NPG Operator, Exodus and Rainbow Children stuff.

Interesting how our preceptions are the exact opposite on that matter. I'd be curious to discuss it with you over a beer

we can discuss it here if u like.

Or pm me if u get down st. augustine way

PeteSilas said:

his autopsy and the info is purposely scant and vague, that's enough to make me wonder. I just hope i'm alive when his autopsy is released. I've studied enough great musicians to realize there are always people who said somebody died some way other than the obvious, elvis had people close to him claiming he had bone cancer, turns out that he was trying to find out who was leaking info and told someone he had bone cancer to see if it would get out, sam cooke got drunk and got himself shot, lots of people just won't believe it's that simple. With Prince, i'm not as interested as I was a couple years ago when i was in shock but I really don't think we have much to go on other than he took fentanyl, I still think he may have just committed suicide. Which, any way you cut it, is what any of us do when we do anything that works against our living on, not matter what we may call it. Lots of people do a slow job on themselves, they really don't like life or living but don't have the guts to end it so they drive crazy or drink too much.

databank said:

Another point I've reached in my life is one where, in this internet age where 11/9 and moonlandings are being questioned based on vague conjectures and lies, unless provided with solid evidence or a consensus by the sort of people who would know better (in that case, the investigators and journalists), I shall not indulge in allowing my judgement to be influenced by what some people may have said or implied, let alone amateur online investigators the sort of which we've seen plenty of on the Org since P died.

.

I must admit I have not bothered studying the case as closely as many fans have, I actually didn't because I know I do not have the means to challenge the police's and the press's conclusions from my living room. Which does not mean that nothing remains to be clarified, explained or revealed, but that until any such things happens, the investigation reached its conclusion and no serious journalist have challenged said conclusion. That's enough for me and that's the only reasonabe conclusion unless one is willing and able to go on the field, interview people, get solid evidence, write a book and risk their credibility in order to try and get a Pullitzer Prize or at least a worldwide scoop, which is the sort of rewards professional journalists are craving for but cannot obtain as easily as the internet make many poeple believe they can.

.

Not to say you're one of those people, clearly you're not jumping to any conclusion and you're just wondering, but to explain why I so easily dismiss any alternative theory.

Prince(r.i.p.) DID NOT commit suicide!

laytonian said:

PeteSilas said:

his autopsy and the info is purposely scant and vague, that's enough to make me wonder. I just hope i'm alive when his autopsy is released.

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What was released was not the autopsy report; it was the standard "cause of death" medical examiner report. I doubt I'm alive when the full report is released in 2046. But it will leak.

Whine: Sorry for the reformatting.
Nothing's more annoying than having to quote 92 lines of several responses just to post my own three lines.

The autopsy report will show any underlying conditions.

The title track, affirmations and "Way Back Home" on AOA album and accompanying performances (especially his performing of "Thankful N Thoughtful") are hints as to what he was going through and what he knew was coming. He himself stated he was in "self-preservation mode" while on the P&M tour. He was fighting. He had no idea the fentanyl was in the pills. Pills that I was told were not just for hip pain. Other things were happening.

His spiritual awakening that led to his distancing from the JW faith led to depression once he saw his health issues weren't getting better. I was told after he passed that he felt lied to and used, that his entire personal life was built around a religion that gave him some sort of comfort after his son passed, but later on became restrictive and prohibitive to the point of risking his life and that there were still people around him (not JW) that were good people but just as unreasonable. He couldn't understand he joined at the time why M1 was so against it. There was a point where he wondered to people about how things would have turned out with Mayte had he not joined the JW and whether he was still open to having more children. Add to that the death of Denise, Prince was in a pretty bad way emotionally and mentally before he passed.

He talked a lot about not wanting to live in the past, but now was reaching out to Morris, Apples, Brenda and Susan. He knew he was on his way out and was honestly trying to survive.

He didn't commit suicide. It was just a whole bunch of unfortunate situations piled on together that culminated in his accidental overdose.

you knew him in some capacity right? I can't remember the names of the people here who were either close or in his circle, i think you were one, mulefunk was another.

TrcikyChristopher said:

laytonian said:

PeteSilas said:

his autopsy and the info is purposely scant and vague, that's enough to make me wonder. I just hope i'm alive when his autopsy is released.

------------------------------------------

What was released was not the autopsy report; it was the standard "cause of death" medical examiner report. I doubt I'm alive when the full report is released in 2046. But it will leak.

Whine: Sorry for the reformatting.
Nothing's more annoying than having to quote 92 lines of several responses just to post my own three lines.

The autopsy report will show any underlying conditions.

The title track, affirmations and "Way Back Home" on AOA album and accompanying performances (especially his performing of "Thankful N Thoughtful") are hints as to what he was going through and what he knew was coming. He himself stated he was in "self-preservation mode" while on the P&M tour. He was fighting. He had no idea the fentanyl was in the pills. Pills that I was told were not just for hip pain. Other things were happening.

His spiritual awakening that led to his distancing from the JW faith led to depression once he saw his health issues weren't getting better. I was told after he passed that he felt lied to and used, that his entire personal life was built around a religion that gave him some sort of comfort after his son passed, but later on became restrictive and prohibitive to the point of risking his life and that there were still people around him (not JW) that were good people but just as unreasonable. He couldn't understand he joined at the time why M1 was so against it. There was a point where he wondered to people about how things would have turned out with Mayte had he not joined the JW and whether he was still open to having more children. Add to that the death of Denise, Prince was in a pretty bad way emotionally and mentally before he passed.

He talked a lot about not wanting to live in the past, but now was reaching out to Morris, Apples, Brenda and Susan. He knew he was on his way out and was honestly trying to survive.

He didn't commit suicide. It was just a whole bunch of unfortunate situations piled on together that culminated in his accidental overdose.

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Shockadelica9 said:

PLEASE DO NOT DERAIL THE THREAD FROM HEARSAY RUMOURS...THANK YOU 💜❤💜💋

please do not derail my conversation unless your the almighty mod.

TrcikyChristopher said:

laytonian said:

PeteSilas said:

his autopsy and the info is purposely scant and vague, that's enough to make me wonder. I just hope i'm alive when his autopsy is released.

------------------------------------------

What was released was not the autopsy report; it was the standard "cause of death" medical examiner report. I doubt I'm alive when the full report is released in 2046. But it will leak.

Whine: Sorry for the reformatting.
Nothing's more annoying than having to quote 92 lines of several responses just to post my own three lines.

The autopsy report will show any underlying conditions.

The title track, affirmations and "Way Back Home" on AOA album and accompanying performances (especially his performing of "Thankful N Thoughtful") are hints as to what he was going through and what he knew was coming. He himself stated he was in "self-preservation mode" while on the P&M tour. He was fighting. He had no idea the fentanyl was in the pills. Pills that I was told were not just for hip pain. Other things were happening.

His spiritual awakening that led to his distancing from the JW faith led to depression once he saw his health issues weren't getting better. I was told after he passed that he felt lied to and used, that his entire personal life was built around a religion that gave him some sort of comfort after his son passed, but later on became restrictive and prohibitive to the point of risking his life and that there were still people around him (not JW) that were good people but just as unreasonable. He couldn't understand he joined at the time why M1 was so against it. There was a point where he wondered to people about how things would have turned out with Mayte had he not joined the JW and whether he was still open to having more children. Add to that the death of Denise, Prince was in a pretty bad way emotionally and mentally before he passed.

He talked a lot about not wanting to live in the past, but now was reaching out to Morris, Apples, Brenda and Susan. He knew he was on his way out and was honestly trying to survive.

He didn't commit suicide. It was just a whole bunch of unfortunate situations piled on together that culminated in his accidental overdose.

You mentioning this, I had to go back through some old emails. I'd had 2 dreams before his passing about him dying. The first one was 10/9/15 - he went to my childhood church and I was on my way to the river where I was baptised with my kids and was following behind him, he was driving his motorcycle. I kept trying to go around him because he was driving slow, but every time I started to pass there were cars coming. Then the dream switched and it had been announced that he died and the whole world was mourning. Only, he hadn't died. He'd faked his death because there was something he had to do. I actually saw him in a coffin, but realized it wasn't him, it was faked. He asked me if I ever went across country on a motorcycle before and I told him "no", he told me to "hop on, let's go". It was just strange, to dream about mourning him only to find out that he'd faked his death at that time.

Then on 12/12/15, I had a dream a friend and I were having to protect Prince. I had emailed the friend and told that friend: "Something was off with him, something was not right. We were having to protect him. There was so much innocence and purity, almost this child-like innocence in him. Trusting too much those that would use him. He needs to be careful right now. He's, I almost felt like he was in danger somehow. But he's a stubborn man. Very stubborn. Head strong. Not the easiest person, by any stretch of the imagination, to hide or protect when he's decided not to remain hidden. It wasn't ... something was off, way off. Something was broken...I don't know. I know this doesn't make sense, but this dream felt ... we had to protect him. We have to. If we don't, something tremendously awful is going to happen, something that can't be fixed, ever. It's stupid, just probably subconscious fancies or something, but it felt ... the tremendousness of it felt, so real."

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PeteSilas said:

also, the way people think, i've noticed with lots of experience, is they don't have their presuppositions changed without some internal resistance. Religious people are like that, scientists are like that, it's just the way the brain works. neil tyson has stated that he needs people who went through paranormal events to bring it into the lab, and that when people see something like a relative of his who was at a funeral and the dead person sat up and talked to them, he said you need to bring shit like that to the lab or get a pic, problem is, no one sets up a lab for those kinds of tthings anndddddddddd....., even if they did, whatever evidence was gotten, the scientists would find some way to call it a fraud. How do you change something like that?

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That's what we are led to believe by those people who find it convenient but in fact there have been numerous research on the paranormal. Enough? Probably not, but a lot.

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Scientists are biased human beings as much as others, no doubt about that, and few choose to inbvestigate those topics because of such biases, but the scientific method that can and should be used for experimental protocols, if used properly, has been designed to avoid biases. Certain things cannot be tested experimentally (such as the existence of God or spontaneous non reproductible events such as someone seeing one ghost once at a funeral) and those things are literally outside of science's realm, that which cannot be verified, science cannot really address. That which science cannot address cannot be proven true or false and it's up to everyone.

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This said, may things can be tested. More interestingly, many people in fact do change their minds. Many members of the so-called skeptikal movement are people who used to believe in things such as ghosts, astrology, UFO's, psychic powers, "magnetic" healing, 9/11, the moon conspiracy and such other things, people who at some point decided to test the rationality or scientific veracity of their own beliefs and... failed over and over.

Some of them are now actively helping "believers" or people who believe they have some sort of a "gift" to try and establish serious protocols and test their beliefs, paranormal experiences, paramedical practice or "gifts", when possible. They're pretty organized, and so far the sad truth is no great revelation has been exposed by their experiments. It appears that magic... does not work

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I choose to have faith in other realms and other levels of existence, i choose to for the same reason that you should choose life over death at any time, because it is more life affirming and towards the good, not because I actually know anything.

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Other realms and levels of existence is something which cannot be tested for now, therefore remains in the sphere of personal belief and cannot be challenged by science nor established as knowledge.

I personally used to believe in all sort of things, I had a strong faith and it kept me going for most of my adult life. Then about a decade ago I began to lose faith and that led to depression and existential anxiety because suddenly, life appears to you in the horror of its absurdity. Now I kind of made peace with this but I miss my faith, badly. It gave me much strength and a sense of purpose. I still hope there's something, but I can't be convinced of it the way I used to

So whichever faith keeps you going, as long as it doesn't lead you to act silly, is a good thing I believe

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PeteSilas said:

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We both went from opposite extremes as we got older. I had no faith when I was young and even now I try to make sense of life.

Interesting paths

Me it was even more complicated: as a child I believed in life after death but as a cold, meaningless physical phenomenon devoid of God or meaning. Then as a teenager I began to believe in God and reincarnation and all sorts of things. Then finally I sort of stopped believing in anything despite a part of me still strongly hoping. Who knows where I'll go next...

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funkenberry said he was seeing dead people in his dreams or something too and he was saying he astral projected, he was close to death, I still think that the others on here who claim to know him hinting that he had some sort of underlying health issue(s)

During the 2016 P&M Gala at PP Prince said he was having lucid dreams with those close friends that had passed. Something was happening, he was human, and probably was depressed if his health was stopping him playing music the way he used to but yet he kept on giving himself until the very last days

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TrcikyChristopher said:

The autopsy report will show any underlying conditions.

The title track, affirmations and "Way Back Home" on AOA album and accompanying performances (especially his performing of "Thankful N Thoughtful") are hints as to what he was going through and what he knew was coming. He himself stated he was in "self-preservation mode" while on the P&M tour. He was fighting. He had no idea the fentanyl was in the pills. Pills that I was told were not just for hip pain. Other things were happening.

His spiritual awakening that led to his distancing from the JW faith led to depression once he saw his health issues weren't getting better. I was told after he passed that he felt lied to and used, that his entire personal life was built around a religion that gave him some sort of comfort after his son passed, but later on became restrictive and prohibitive to the point of risking his life and that there were still people around him (not JW) that were good people but just as unreasonable. He couldn't understand he joined at the time why M1 was so against it. There was a point where he wondered to people about how things would have turned out with Mayte had he not joined the JW and whether he was still open to having more children. Add to that the death of Denise, Prince was in a pretty bad way emotionally and mentally before he passed.

He talked a lot about not wanting to live in the past, but now was reaching out to Morris, Apples, Brenda and Susan. He knew he was on his way out and was honestly trying to survive.

He didn't commit suicide. It was just a whole bunch of unfortunate situations piled on together that culminated in his accidental overdose.

You mentioning this, I had to go back through some old emails. I'd had 2 dreams before his passing about him dying. The first one was 10/9/15 - he went to my childhood church and I was on my way to the river where I was baptised with my kids and was following behind him, he was driving his motorcycle. I kept trying to go around him because he was driving slow, but every time I started to pass there were cars coming. Then the dream switched and it had been announced that he died and the whole world was mourning. Only, he hadn't died. He'd faked his death because there was something he had to do. I actually saw him in a coffin, but realized it wasn't him, it was faked. He asked me if I ever went across country on a motorcycle before and I told him "no", he told me to "hop on, let's go". It was just strange, to dream about mourning him only to find out that he'd faked his death at that time.

Then on 12/12/15, I had a dream a friend and I were having to protect Prince. I had emailed the friend and told that friend: "Something was off with him, something was not right. We were having to protect him. There was so much innocence and purity, almost this child-like innocence in him. Trusting too much those that would use him. He needs to be careful right now. He's, I almost felt like he was in danger somehow. But he's a stubborn man. Very stubborn. Head strong. Not the easiest person, by any stretch of the imagination, to hide or protect when he's decided not to remain hidden. It wasn't ... something was off, way off. Something was broken...I don't know. I know this doesn't make sense, but this dream felt ... we had to protect him. We have to. If we don't, something tremendously awful is going to happen, something that can't be fixed, ever. It's stupid, just probably subconscious fancies or something, but it felt ... the tremendousness of it felt, so real."

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He was extremely stubborn and unfortunately the consequences were dire by the time he figured everything out and gave in.

TrcikyChristopher said:

benni said:

You mentioning this, I had to go back through some old emails. I'd had 2 dreams before his passing about him dying. The first one was 10/9/15 - he went to my childhood church and I was on my way to the river where I was baptised with my kids and was following behind him, he was driving his motorcycle. I kept trying to go around him because he was driving slow, but every time I started to pass there were cars coming. Then the dream switched and it had been announced that he died and the whole world was mourning. Only, he hadn't died. He'd faked his death because there was something he had to do. I actually saw him in a coffin, but realized it wasn't him, it was faked. He asked me if I ever went across country on a motorcycle before and I told him "no", he told me to "hop on, let's go". It was just strange, to dream about mourning him only to find out that he'd faked his death at that time.

Then on 12/12/15, I had a dream a friend and I were having to protect Prince. I had emailed the friend and told that friend: "Something was off with him, something was not right. We were having to protect him. There was so much innocence and purity, almost this child-like innocence in him. Trusting too much those that would use him. He needs to be careful right now. He's, I almost felt like he was in danger somehow. But he's a stubborn man. Very stubborn. Head strong. Not the easiest person, by any stretch of the imagination, to hide or protect when he's decided not to remain hidden. It wasn't ... something was off, way off. Something was broken...I don't know. I know this doesn't make sense, but this dream felt ... we had to protect him. We have to. If we don't, something tremendously awful is going to happen, something that can't be fixed, ever. It's stupid, just probably subconscious fancies or something, but it felt ... the tremendousness of it felt, so real."

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He was extremely stubborn and unfortunately the consequences were dire by the time he figured everything out and gave in.

You mentioning that he felt lied to and used made me think of that dream. I'd emailed that friend about both of them, still have them in my sent folder, so had to go back and re-read them. And I know in my dream he was very stubborn. He wasn't going to do what he didn't want to do, period, and the more we tried to hide him, protect him, keep him safe, the more he dug his heels in.

But I got to thinking that maybe he did know, and I was just picking up vibes off him and they were reflected in my subconscious and came out in the dreams. So strange.

PeteSilas said:

databank said:

Interesting paths

Me it was even more complicated: as a child I believed in life after death but as a cold, meaningless physical phenomenon devoid of God or meaning. Then as a teenager I began to believe in God and reincarnation and all sorts of things. Then finally I sort of stopped believing in anything despite a part of me still strongly hoping. Who knows where I'll go next...

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A couple things made it hard for me to have faith when I was young. The Christians I knew we're all mean, judgemental and hypocritical and I couldn't understand why God allows so much suffering. Even now that gets me. I hate all the suffering in the world.

Same here That's a major cognitive dissonance: the "higher plan" + "God loves us" vs. all that unjustifiable suffering (both human and animal). Somehow I managed to believe that the "higher plan" justified it before, now I find it harder to believe. Looking a the world we've been thrown in, a God that hates us would make more sense than one who loves us