Kares said:

Just watched the video of him and Mayte inducting Parliament/Funkadelic to the RnRHF the other day again, and one tiny reaction of his really made me frown: when P started telling the story of how Clinton sent him a tape "to pee on it", Mayte burst out laughing but P was incredibly quick to shush her. Some people would probably say I see too much into this tiny gesture but for me that looked alarming, especially as Mayte didn't say a word on stage, she was just there with P as eye-candy.
Prince's reaction looked way too controlling, as if he meant "Shush, this is my stage and my speech, stay quiet."
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And this is why I never want to be in a postion to have to be judged by a jury of my peers. That was a light moment in which both Mayte and Prince kept laughing about. Maybe they talked about it prior to this night and Mayte had some funny stuff to say about it and he didn't want her to go there publicly. We don't know. And to refer to Mayte as eye candy when she was his wife at the time is a bit insulting. Maybe it's possible he wanted her there for strength. Ever been in love?

^^@PliablyPurple, I don't think Kares was judging anyone, just stating an opinion. I think we all know that Prince was controlling, that's certainly no secret! Yes, he controlled Mayte, as well as anything else around him that he could and was allowed to get away with. IMO, that's why I think he liked his women far younger than himself, because in reality, they were more naive, and he knew it, and knew how to use it to control them. The man wasn't perfect, he had faults and flaws just like everyone else.

oceanblue said:

^^@PliablyPurple, I don't think Kares was judging anyone, just stating an opinion. I think we all know that Prince was controlling, that's certainly no secret! Yes, he controlled Mayte, as well as anything else around him that he could and was allowed to get away with. IMO, that's why I think he liked his women far younger than himself, because in reality, they were more naive, and he knew it, and knew how to use it to control them. The man wasn't perfect, he had faults and flaws just like everyone else.

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Exactly.
And for the record: I didn't mean to insult Mayte by calling her eye-candy. What I meant that to me it seemed as Prince was reducing her to the role of eye-candy on that stage by not even allowing her to be herself for a brief laugh, let alone allowing her to say a word or two.

No Prince's take, view, and treatment of women is still way head of its time. He has always raised women above himself, in his life and in his music. Aside from women themselves, and rightfully so, what male figure has shown the consistency Prince has in empowering women? I really can't think of any, that is not to say they are not out there, it's just to say that at the moment none come to mind.

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leadline said:

No Prince's take, view, and treatment of women is still way head of its time. He has always raised women above himself, in his life and in his music. Aside from women themselves, and rightfully so, what male figure has shown the consistency Prince has in empowering women? I really can't think of any, that is not to say they are not out there, it's just to say that at the moment none come to mind.

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I know he's Prince and we loved him as as an entertainer, but come on, the guy wasn't perfect, and neither was the way he treated women, including those that he supposedly loved. The man went from woman to woman, and changed women more than he did his outfits! Let's not forget that he cheated on his wife Mayte with Manuela, that's definitely not treating women greatly, with the utmost love and respect!

emesem said:

Even in 1984, his treatment of women was questioned. See the dumpster scene in PR. Wendy's BJ act. and even the "Gangsta Glam" era "You, you and you get in the car!" etc...

As he got older, you can see he got much better. (see Better with Time, work with 3rd Eye Girl)

[Edited 3/1/19 7:24am]

The Computer Blue (blo job) scene was not about Wendy giving him head. According to the script Wendy was supposed to look more like Prince in that scene and it was to give an effect of Prince giving himself head.

OldFriends4Sale said:

emesem said:

Even in 1984, his treatment of women was questioned. See the dumpster scene in PR. Wendy's BJ act. and even the "Gangsta Glam" era "You, you and you get in the car!" etc...

As he got older, you can see he got much better. (see Better with Time, work with 3rd Eye Girl)

[Edited 3/1/19 7:24am]

The Computer Blue (blo job) scene was not about Wendy giving him head. According to the script Wendy was supposed to look more like Prince in that scene and it was to give an effect of Prince giving himself head.

Eww

OldFriends4Sale said:

emesem said:

Even in 1984, his treatment of women was questioned. See the dumpster scene in PR. Wendy's BJ act. and even the "Gangsta Glam" era "You, you and you get in the car!" etc...

As he got older, you can see he got much better. (see Better with Time, work with 3rd Eye Girl)

[Edited 3/1/19 7:24am]

The Computer Blue (blo job) scene was not about Wendy giving him head. According to the script Wendy was supposed to look more like Prince in that scene and it was to give an effect of Prince giving himself head.

Oh wow that is crazy cool lol.

That explains why Wendy's hair was more curly during that scene.

ladygirl99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The Computer Blue (blo job) scene was not about Wendy giving him head. According to the script Wendy was supposed to look more like Prince in that scene and it was to give an effect of Prince giving himself head.

Oh wow that is crazy cool lol.

That explains why Wendy's hair was more curly during that scene.

I'll give you one thing.....crazy yes, but I don't get the cool part?

McD said:

One song in particlar, "The One" has always made me cringe:

But if u're lookin' 4 a man that'll sweep u off your tired weary feet
Pay your bills, buy u pretty dresses
And take u anywhere u wanna eat
Make love 2 u every night of the week

... and come think of it, the entirety of "Mr Goodnight". Oh and entire album "The Rainbow Children".

Let's be real, Prince's attitudes towards women, romance, and all that stuff felt horribly dated from the very outset. In 2019 it looks ridiculous.

ian said:

One song in particlar, "The One" has always made me cringe:

But if u're lookin' 4 a man that'll sweep u off your tired weary feet
Pay your bills, buy u pretty dresses
And take u anywhere u wanna eat
Make love 2 u every night of the week

... and come think of it, the entirety of "Mr Goodnight". Oh and entire album "The Rainbow Children".

Let's be real, Prince's attitudes towards women, romance, and all that stuff felt horribly dated from the very outset. In 2019 it looks ridiculous.

Yet I've had one GF back in 2008 asking me "Why aren't you always paying when we go out, my past BF's all did it", and I replied "What were they buying?" and she blushed, said nothing, took the bill and paid it.

Admitedly that was 11 years ago but those patriarcal stereotypes are still very much alive today. Last year I asked a friend about friends of her that I'd met and she said "oh, she dumped him because he wasn't dynamic and ambitious enough" (the guy had a job, mind you!).

So yeah, dated to us maybe, but I fear not to everyone.

Also, if you watch the video with the silent film kind of footage it was kind of admitting this was an old fashioned, outdated vision of love even at the time.

ian said:

One song in particlar, "The One" has always made me cringe:

But if u're lookin' 4 a man that'll sweep u off your tired weary feet
Pay your bills, buy u pretty dresses
And take u anywhere u wanna eat
Make love 2 u every night of the week

... and come think of it, the entirety of "Mr Goodnight". Oh and entire album "The Rainbow Children".

Let's be real, Prince's attitudes towards women, romance, and all that stuff felt horribly dated from the very outset. In 2019 it looks ridiculous.

I see issues with Rianbow Children and religious doctrine. I don't see the problem with "The One." Those lyrics don't say; 1) That women have to do anything. 2)That a woman must be 2nd class. 3) Lyrics just reinforce's his commitent to a woman. 4) Lryics don't say she can't pick out his clothes. I think you read into those lryics what you choose-but don't demonize them when they are not. At first view of the lyrics may look controlling, it never says they have to do any of it. It's an offering and nothing more. Rainbow Children is another issue altogether.

#metoo is not just for women it for all SURVIVORS of sexual violence

oceanblue said:

ladygirl99 said:

Oh wow that is crazy cool lol.

That explains why Wendy's hair was more curly during that scene.

I'll give you one thing.....crazy yes, but I don't get the cool part?

It's not the actual idea of the 'act' but what it represented in his internalized gemini stuggle heard on that 14min opus Computer Blue

kewlschool said:

ian said:

One song in particlar, "The One" has always made me cringe:

But if u're lookin' 4 a man that'll sweep u off your tired weary feet
Pay your bills, buy u pretty dresses
And take u anywhere u wanna eat
Make love 2 u every night of the week

... and come think of it, the entirety of "Mr Goodnight". Oh and entire album "The Rainbow Children".

Let's be real, Prince's attitudes towards women, romance, and all that stuff felt horribly dated from the very outset. In 2019 it looks ridiculous.

I see issues with Rianbow Children and religious doctrine. I don't see the problem with "The One." Those lyrics don't say; 1) That women have to do anything. 2)That a woman must be 2nd class. 3) Lyrics just reinforce's his commitent to a woman. 4) Lryics don't say she can't pick out his clothes. I think you read into those lryics what you choose-but don't demonize them when they are not. At first view of the lyrics may look controlling, it never says they have to do any of it. It's an offering and nothing more. Rainbow Children is another issue altogether.

I think you missed the point - I said it felt dated, the "controlling" comment wasn't something I said. I guess I just get tired of the object of affection being this passive swooning princess being swept off her feet and bought everything she wants, "pretty dresses" etc. Zzzz.

ian said:

kewlschool said:

I see issues with Rianbow Children and religious doctrine. I don't see the problem with "The One." Those lyrics don't say; 1) That women have to do anything. 2)That a woman must be 2nd class. 3) Lyrics just reinforce's his commitent to a woman. 4) Lryics don't say she can't pick out his clothes. I think you read into those lryics what you choose-but don't demonize them when they are not. At first view of the lyrics may look controlling, it never says they have to do any of it. It's an offering and nothing more. Rainbow Children is another issue altogether.

I think you missed the point - I said it felt dated, the "controlling" comment wasn't something I said. I guess I just get tired of the object of affection being this passive swooning princess being swept off her feet and bought everything she wants, "pretty dresses" etc. Zzzz.

Oh, I was taking it as a commentary on Prince/mettoo women/ equality issue as this thread topic is about. That passive aspect you mention is surface only-the song is an offering and that doesn't mean the lady can't do the same in return.