SquirrelMeat said:

SquirrelMeat said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is a blessing and a curse if you come from the 1978-1988 Prince scene.

I hate the interviewers who in 2000 something still ask them to deep degrees about Prince and 'Is he really a control freak' It's very annoying interviewing. I love to hear about Prince from them too, but the questions are never anything that goes into the artistry or individuality. Just the same 'umbrella' questions. So I can see how it can annoy Jesse. He's done great work after Prince too. But that is not acknowledged.

Personally, I'm convinced that Prince's move to the Black Album, and re-capturing his 'black audience' was influenced by the work Jesse was producing in 1986.

Jesse pulled Prince's idol out of semi-retirement (Sly), re-recorded 'If you see me (do yourself a favor) with a pure MPLS sound and touched on race issues with 'Black In America'.

If you think about the time frame, Jesse was gaining success with funk roots, while Prince was moving into the pure 'pop' culture.

It's clear Prince tried to gatecrash Jesse's work by offering a title track in 'Shockadelica', but to some degree, I'm glad Jesse passed to draw a line under the past. It was a bit petty when Prince put it out after the turn down.

But he didn't really move there because he didn't release it, he released Lovesexy which the cover hit the homophobia of a lot of that and people didn't go there, not to mention the music wasn't geared toward a 'black' audience who preferred funk.
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The Black album doesn't seem anything like Jesse Johnsons harder classsic Minni sound either.
When I listen to the Black Album, it really doesn't sound much different from prior Prince music. It still felt like SOTT music to me.

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SOTT was a good eclectic mix of various styles, stripped, rock, some funk, some folk etc in a way a audible picture of his styles throught his career. I think it was Prince trying to follow or be influenced by what was happening, that messed him up a bit. And Jesse nor Prince were able to travers what the 90s brought though. Jimmy & Terry via Janet were able to stay ahead of the game though.

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I agree with the rest of your post though. Prince trying to continue to have some kind of 'cock block' on people who where no longer in his camp. His kingdom was slipping away. Shockadelica... I'm glad too that Jesse passed. Even having Jerome clown Morris's Oak Tree song on the live A Love Bizarre video. Wasn't there a few shows were Prince tried to insinuate that he wrote Control?
I think Prince wasn't going to go back to that sound much because EVERYONE was copying it. It would have put him in a worse place if he did I think. I'm glad for that 1978-1989 run of music. It set him a part.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The stuff he was talking about outside of the Celebrations and Terry Lewis was all based on 1983-1984ish

I know all this stuff about Prince, it's nothing new for me. But the disses against certain people 'today' made no sense.

I know you know everything Prince, but other people don't.

No, Jesse isn't saying anything new that he hasn't always said, except the part of the celebration when he is knocking it. I think the problem with it all, is if he has such strong feelings, why did he agree to join the celebration panel? I think that is what they are questioning.

There is a big diference in questioning and actively promoting boycott and making accusations of 'blasphemy', based on privite, editted recordings.

Maybe Jesse woke up the morning after these comments and said 'I'm over thinking this". Maybe the family begged him? Who knows?

There is an element in the fan base at the moment that is toxic. Where they are unable to see anything beyond their own point of view. The reality is, they are the ones carrying the bigotry.

SquirrelMeat said:

PennyPurple said:

I know you know everything Prince, but other people don't.

No, Jesse isn't saying anything new that he hasn't always said, except the part of the celebration when he is knocking it. I think the problem with it all, is if he has such strong feelings, why did he agree to join the celebration panel? I think that is what they are questioning.

There is a big diference in questioning and actively promoting boycott and making accusations of 'blasphemy', based on privite, editted recordings.

Maybe Jesse woke up the morning after these comments and said 'I'm over thinking this". Maybe the family begged him? Who knows?

There is an element in the fan base at the moment that is toxic. Where they are unable to see anything beyond their own point of view. The reality is, they are the ones carrying the bigotry.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The stuff he was talking about outside of the Celebrations and Terry Lewis was all based on 1983-1984ish

I know all this stuff about Prince, it's nothing new for me. But the disses against certain people 'today' made no sense.

I know you know everything Prince, but other people don't.

No, Jesse isn't saying anything new that he hasn't always said, except the part of the celebration when he is knocking it. I think the problem with it all, is if he has such strong feelings, why did he agree to join the celebration panel? I think that is what they are questioning.

I don't nor have I ever insinuated I know everything Prince. I'm deep into the areas I like. I wish you would wouldn't make exaggerated statements like that.

I've said the same things about why would he do the Celebration since he feels so strongly against it. In my post #11 and 15

SquirrelMeat said:

PennyPurple said:

I know you know everything Prince, but other people don't.

No, Jesse isn't saying anything new that he hasn't always said, except the part of the celebration when he is knocking it. I think the problem with it all, is if he has such strong feelings, why did he agree to join the celebration panel? I think that is what they are questioning.

There is a big diference in questioning and actively promoting boycott and making accusations of 'blasphemy', based on privite, editted recordings.

Maybe Jesse woke up the morning after these comments and said 'I'm over thinking this". Maybe the family begged him? Who knows?

There is an element in the fan base at the moment that is toxic. Where they are unable to see anything beyond their own point of view. The reality is, they are the ones carrying the bigotry.

Well that element has always been there. It showed it's ugly head in a bg way when Prince died, and people started openly using certain associates as their 'figure peice' creating anti-Mayte twitter/fb pages and people preaching how people should show their 'loyalty' to Prince. Eric Leeds puts his tapes up for auction 'he's no longer loyal' its a lot of rubbish.

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I personally don't care if he does the show or not. But he just seems to loothe the idea of doing it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

I know you know everything Prince, but other people don't.

No, Jesse isn't saying anything new that he hasn't always said, except the part of the celebration when he is knocking it. I think the problem with it all, is if he has such strong feelings, why did he agree to join the celebration panel? I think that is what they are questioning.

I don't nor have I ever insinuated I know everything Prince. I'm deep into the areas I like. I wish you would wouldn't make exaggerated statements like that.

I've said the same things about why would he do the Celebration since he feels so strongly against it. In my post #11 and 15

C'mon, you teach us newbies Prince101. Remember? We always joke about that.

Yeah I don't know about all these groups that are or have been starting up, like WTH is Prince Defenders now? And these stupid petitions that they get up, is just a waste of time.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't nor have I ever insinuated I know everything Prince. I'm deep into the areas I like. I wish you would wouldn't make exaggerated statements like that.

I've said the same things about why would he do the Celebration since he feels so strongly against it. In my post #11 and 15

C'mon, you teach us newbies Prince101. Remember? We always joke about that.

Yeah I don't know about all these groups that are or have been starting up, like WTH is Prince Defenders now? And these stupid petitions that they get up, is just a waste of time.

nawww lol just in certain era's
Some people hate me for it lol

Yeah the fanatics are out and it seems coming up to April there is always some kind of drama?

ABro said:

So much drama over nothing new.


I have a question, and don't flame me for asking.


Why hasnt this thread been locked?

There has been more than enough shade thrown at Jesse on this thread.

So much shade that Jesse probably cannot see.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

So much drama over nothing new.


I have a question, and don't flame me for asking.


Why hasnt this thread been locked?

There has been more than enough shade thrown at Jesse on this thread.

So much shade that Jesse probably cannot see.

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

[Again off topic snip - luv4u]

rogifan said:

ABro said:

Jesse "taking the stage in PP is pure blasphemy" ??

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Put down the pipe.

rdhull is right, y'all do love drama.

SquirrelMeat is also right, all this crap from the "fans" & associates/alumni does tarnish.

It's even worse when you consider a large percentage of the BS post '16 has come from people in their 40s & 50s.

Embarrassing & Pitiful.

I suppose the noobs & uninformed long timers are gonna start digging up 30 yr old Jesse quotes now, that some of us read at the time.

He can say whatever the hell he wants, feel however he wants to feel. But don’t show up at Celebration then. Just makes him a phony.

Did you boycott/petition the ones who went there that lied, told tales outta school once the cat was no longer around, auctioned his belongings, caused disgusting labels to be forever on his name, exploited his death for profit, attention, revenge &/or pity?


If yall think I'm gonna cancel Jesse (or The Time if y'all ever turn on them too) over a four minute, isolated, chopped & screwed, leaked private convo, after more than three decades of loving P, The Time & Jesse, You Are Tripping.

We want no part of your witch hunt, lynch mob. Keep it.

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RJOrion said:

ABro said:

RJOrion said:

ABro said:

upinclouds said:

ABro said:

Did you boycott/petition the ones who went there that lied, told tales outta school once the cat was no longer around, auctioned his belongings, caused disgusting labels to be forever on his name, exploited his death for profit, attention, revenge &/or pity?


If yall think I'm gonna cancel Jesse (or The Time if y'all ever turn on them too) over a four minute, isolated, chopped & screwed, leaked private convo, after more than three decades of loving P, The Time & Jesse, You Are Tripping.

We want no part of your witch hunt, lynch mob. Keep it.

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Who is 'we'? Is there another group out there or something??

rogifan said:

upinclouds said:

If an associate is being shady, one isn’t allowed to call them out & question/try to understand where they’re coming from?

I want to know who Prince Defenders is. They put things in quotes so either Jesse said it or they’re lying and made it up. IF he did say it, again, it’s his right but then it makes him a fraud for showing up at Celebration. It’s not like he has no choice. Elisa, Sheila and others have chosen not to participate. Just say no thank you and move on.

You know I don't know who they are they just seem to disappear, they make these statements and then end up deleting everything, I just happened to catch that before they deleted it. Someone made a comment on Jesse's facebook page and posted these letters then woosh they are gone.

PennyPurple said:

ABro said:

Did you boycott/petition the ones who went there that lied, told tales outta school once the cat was no longer around, auctioned his belongings, caused disgusting labels to be forever on his name, exploited his death for profit, attention, revenge &/or pity?


If yall think I'm gonna cancel Jesse (or The Time if y'all ever turn on them too) over a four minute, isolated, chopped & screwed, leaked private convo, after more than three decades of loving P, The Time & Jesse, You Are Tripping.

We want no part of your witch hunt, lynch mob. Keep it.

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Who is 'we'? Is there another group out there or something??

After being a hardcore collector for over 3 decades you get to know a few people.

upinclouds said:

RJOrion said:

"..Prince Defenders.." LMAO...he had his own militia, too?

If an associate is being shady, one isn’t allowed to call them out & question/try to understand where they’re coming from?

Here's the thing, the associates put shade on their social media, which of course is public and sometimes they are even throwing shade at each other. If they didn't want the fans talking about it, then don't put it out there to the public.

Things start to look calm, and then BAM they put more shade out there. It's playing the fans and their emotions and I think they purposly do it.

And for goodness sakes for the fans who are paying $550-1000 bucks for this Celebration, one would expect the speakers to at least like Prince, and not cuss him or insult him in the last few months, and even say snarky comments about the Celebration....

ABro said:

PennyPurple said:

Who is 'we'? Is there another group out there or something??

After being a hardcore collector for over 3 decades you get to know a few people.

Cool. These pop-up groups are getting to be too much.

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

Maybe he should be dis-invited from the celebration.

I’m surprised he even agreed to participate as it seems he’s still bitter about certain things.

Why shouldn't he be bitter about getting screwed over on $$? You would be. Princ was known for not paying late, not paying at all, or giving people way less than what is fair. Grow the hell up, sychophant.

PennyPurple said:

upinclouds said:

RJOrion said: If an associate is being shady, one isn’t allowed to call them out & question/try to understand where they’re coming from?

Here's the thing, the associates put shade on their social media, which of course is public and sometimes they are even throwing shade at each other. If they didn't want the fans talking about it, then don't put it out there to the public.

Things start to look calm, and then BAM they put more shade out there. It's playing the fans and their emotions and I think they purposly do it.

And for goodness sakes for the fans who are paying $550-1000 bucks for this Celebration, one would expect the speakers to at least like Prince, and not cuss him or insult him in the last few months, and even say snarky comments about the Celebration....

Yes, this is true. I would never pay that money for a celebration gig so it doesn't affect me.

But then again, he didn't say this in public, we can't and shouldn't think we can dictate what he says in private. What we can do though is not secretly record him and release it to the public.

steakfinger said:

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said: I’m surprised he even agreed to participate as it seems he’s still bitter about certain things.

Why shouldn't he be bitter about getting screwed over on $$? You would be. Princ was known for not paying late, not paying at all, or giving people way less than what is fair. Grow the hell up, sychophant.

Nobody said he can't be bitter. This is nothing new, he's always said that stuff. What is new is what he said about the Celebration. To see what he said about it look at post #21 page 2, 1st paragraph.

steakfinger said: