macaylasdad said:

calling bullshit on this one...Susan has never talked shit on Prince and no way would she say this now.

You can listen to Susan on the recording linked in the original post. My guess is she doesn't see it as "talking shit" on him.

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

funksterr said:

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

DM through 1999 was telling. Its no wonder he changed things up later in life. Sister JUO, LPWM etc...lawd. I dont blame him for turning semi prude.

funksterr said:

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

Hope people who suffer like this know they are not alone in their experience. But even if they do, many forces in this world only add to the struggle.

funksterr said:

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

dupe

[Edited 1/25/19 19:33pm]

violetcrush said:

Well, we know for sure that Prince was not always honest when answering interview questions, but if we believe him that he was honest with his song lyrics then he has a bunch of songs that speak the "anti-drug" sentiment:

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Pop Life

Dream Factory

Eye No

The Good Life

The Undertaker

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Just to name a few....I know there are more

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With the exception of the E trip in '87 I don't think he was a recreational drug user. Like Bonatoc said, no way he could have maintained his playing/recording schedule while tripping on a regular basis.

Prince also had a ton of drug references in his music, which most times was probably a reference to culture and society in general. But those references go way back, at least to 1982. He also talked, since we're considering his lyrics gospel, about drinking here and there, even in "The Holy River". "Have another glass of Port, and forget this".

Let's face it, Prince had some fun over the years. Natural and enhanced.

rednblue said:

violetcrush said:

Well, we know for sure that Prince was not always honest when answering interview questions, but if we believe him that he was honest with his song lyrics then he has a bunch of songs that speak the "anti-drug" sentiment:

*

Pop Life

Dream Factory

Eye No

The Good Life

The Undertaker

*

Just to name a few....I know there are more

*

With the exception of the E trip in '87 I don't think he was a recreational drug user. Like Bonatoc said, no way he could have maintained his playing/recording schedule while tripping on a regular basis.

Now that's a list of fantastic songs! Was playing The Good Life in the car just now.

As you'd probably agree, sometimes people who are relatively wise and cautious about alcohol and drug use end up in a tougher place (with a drug) than those who are a bit reckless. Not to say there's not good correlation between caution/wisdom and outcome, but predispositions and environmental influences keep the playing field far from even.

This last thing is in NO way intended as a contradiction of your last statement. For one, I don't know anything about playing/recording music. : ) With substances legal and illegal, effects (of one substance vs. another) on cognition and energy vary greatly.

Yes, all great songs!!!

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I don't play/record music either and also not a drug user, BUT I did smoke Pot twice in college - the first was a great, loopy high, and the second time I ended up having a major paranoia attack...so that was the end of any Pot or harder drugs for moi !! I do know that during both of those experiences I could not have done a 15 hr recording session, or a 5 hr rehearsal, but I guess everyone's different

TrivialPursuit said:

violetcrush said:

Well, we know for sure that Prince was not always honest when answering interview questions, but if we believe him that he was honest with his song lyrics then he has a bunch of songs that speak the "anti-drug" sentiment:

*

Pop Life

Dream Factory

Eye No

The Good Life

The Undertaker

*

Just to name a few....I know there are more

*

With the exception of the E trip in '87 I don't think he was a recreational drug user. Like Bonatoc said, no way he could have maintained his playing/recording schedule while tripping on a regular basis.

Prince also had a ton of drug references in his music, which most times was probably a reference to culture and society in general. But those references go way back, at least to 1982. He also talked, since we're considering his lyrics gospel, about drinking here and there, even in "The Holy River". "Have another glass of Port, and forget this".

Let's face it, Prince had some fun over the years. Natural and enhanced.

Oh yes, he definitely drank some - that has been confirmed, even during interviews. In 1994 Alan Light mentions it in his article. Prince offered him some Port wine and told him (I think) Arsenio Hall turned him on to it. I just don't think he regularly did the hard drugs. I think he needed his mind clear for the playing/recording. Plus, like how the heck is gonna jump off of those high risers in 4 inch heels if he's drugged up??

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Yes, the "anti-drug" message goes back to Purple Music - "don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine, purple music does the same to my brain..."

funksterr said:

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

In your opinion, may one of the reasons for some substance use be an attempt to self-medicate these health issues that you note dating back to before PR?

A method of the recklessness you describe?

Neither? Both?

[Edited 1/25/19 20:07pm]

rdhull said:

funksterr said:

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

DM through 1999 was telling. Its no wonder he changed things up later in life. Sister JUO, LPWM etc...lawd. I dont blame him for turning semi prude.

Prince - in 1985 talking to Neal Karlen (I think one of his best, most honest interviews) about his state of mind during the DM era:

*

When you talk abut God, which God are you talking about? The Christian God? Jewish? Buddhist? Is there any God in particular you have in mind?

Yes, very much so. A while back, I had an experience that changed me and made me feel differently about how and what and how I acted toward people. I’m going to make a film about it—not the next one, but the one after that. I’ve wanted to make it for three years now. Don’t get me wrong—I’m still as wild as I was. I’m just funneling it in a different direction. And now I analyze things so much that sometimes I can’t shut off my brain and it hurts. That’s what the movie will be about.

What was the experience that changed you?

I don’t really want to get into it specifically. During the Dirty Mind period, I would go into fits of depression and get physically ill. I would have to call people to help get me out of it. I don’t do that anymore.

What were you depressed about?

A lot had to do with the band’s situation, the fact that I couldn’t make people in the band understand how great we could all be together if we all played our part. A lot had to do with being in love with someone and not getting any love back. And there was the fact that I didn’t talk much with my father and sister. Anyway, a lot of things happened in this two-day period, but I don’t want to get into it right now.

How’d you get over it?

That’s what the movie’s going to be about. Paisley Park is the only way I can say I got over it now. Paisley Park is the place one should find in oneself, where one can go when one is alone.

violetcrush said:

rdhull said:

DM through 1999 was telling. Its no wonder he changed things up later in life. Sister JUO, LPWM etc...lawd. I dont blame him for turning semi prude.

Prince - in 1985 talking to Neal Karlen (I think one of his best, most honest interviews) about his state of mind during the DM era:

*

When you talk abut God, which God are you talking about? The Christian God? Jewish? Buddhist? Is there any God in particular you have in mind?

Yes, very much so. A while back, I had an experience that changed me and made me feel differently about how and what and how I acted toward people. I’m going to make a film about it—not the next one, but the one after that. I’ve wanted to make it for three years now. Don’t get me wrong—I’m still as wild as I was. I’m just funneling it in a different direction. And now I analyze things so much that sometimes I can’t shut off my brain and it hurts. That’s what the movie will be about.

What was the experience that changed you?

I don’t really want to get into it specifically. During the Dirty Mind period, I would go into fits of depression and get physically ill. I would have to call people to help get me out of it. I don’t do that anymore.

What were you depressed about?

A lot had to do with the band’s situation, the fact that I couldn’t make people in the band understand how great we could all be together if we all played our part. A lot had to do with being in love with someone and not getting any love back. And there was the fact that I didn’t talk much with my father and sister. Anyway, a lot of things happened in this two-day period, but I don’t want to get into it right now.

How’d you get over it?

That’s what the movie’s going to be about. Paisley Park is the only way I can say I got over it now. Paisley Park is the place one should find in oneself, where one can go when one is alone.

Violetcrush -- that's two of us thinking of Neal Karlen. Was just thinking of Neal saying they'd talk on the phone for hours late at night.

rednblue said:

violetcrush said:

Prince - in 1985 talking to Neal Karlen (I think one of his best, most honest interviews) about his state of mind during the DM era:

*

When you talk abut God, which God are you talking about? The Christian God? Jewish? Buddhist? Is there any God in particular you have in mind?

Yes, very much so. A while back, I had an experience that changed me and made me feel differently about how and what and how I acted toward people. I’m going to make a film about it—not the next one, but the one after that. I’ve wanted to make it for three years now. Don’t get me wrong—I’m still as wild as I was. I’m just funneling it in a different direction. And now I analyze things so much that sometimes I can’t shut off my brain and it hurts. That’s what the movie will be about.

What was the experience that changed you?

I don’t really want to get into it specifically. During the Dirty Mind period, I would go into fits of depression and get physically ill. I would have to call people to help get me out of it. I don’t do that anymore.

What were you depressed about?

A lot had to do with the band’s situation, the fact that I couldn’t make people in the band understand how great we could all be together if we all played our part. A lot had to do with being in love with someone and not getting any love back. And there was the fact that I didn’t talk much with my father and sister. Anyway, a lot of things happened in this two-day period, but I don’t want to get into it right now.

How’d you get over it?

That’s what the movie’s going to be about. Paisley Park is the only way I can say I got over it now. Paisley Park is the place one should find in oneself, where one can go when one is alone.

Violetcrush -- that's two of us thinking of Neal Karlen. Was just thinking of Neal saying they'd talk on the phone for hours late at night.

Yes!!! I think he really trusted him, and he was also fond of Allan Light - well, at least until he wrote his book about the making of Purple Rain

Yesterday I tried 2 write a novel but I didn't know where 2 begin
So I laid down n the grass tryin' 2 feel the world turn
Boy loses girl n a rain storm, nuclear World War III
All that's left is pain and sorrow as far as he's concerned

So he says please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
I'm lookin' 4 a better place 2 die

Maybe he's lookin' 4 a different world
Maybe he's lookin' 4 a brand new high
Maybe he would like a nice condo overlookin' the rings of Saturn
Maybe he wants affection instead of a plastic life
Maybe he doesn't know what he wants at all

So he says please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
I'm lookin' 4 a better place 2 die

A newborn child knows nothing of destruction
Nothing of love and hate
What happens n between is a mystery
Because we don't give a damn about his fate

He said he'll never keep diaries 2 learn from his mistakes
Instead he'll just repeat all the good things that he's done
Fight 4 perfect love until it's perfect love he makes
When he's happy then his battle will be won (It's never 2 late)

Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me (Send 2 me...)
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me (Send 2 me... yeah)
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me (Send 2 me...)
I'm lookin' 4 a better place 2 die
Oh yeah! (Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me)
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
He don't, he don't, he don't really wanna die
He don't wanna, he don't wanna, he don't wanna die
He don't wanna, he don't wanna, he don't wanna die
He don't really wanna die

rednblue said:

Yesterday I tried 2 write a novel but I didn't know where 2 begin
So I laid down n the grass tryin' 2 feel the world turn
Boy loses girl n a rain storm, nuclear World War III
All that's left is pain and sorrow as far as he's concerned

So he says please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
I'm lookin' 4 a better place 2 die

Maybe he's lookin' 4 a different world
Maybe he's lookin' 4 a brand new high
Maybe he would like a nice condo overlookin' the rings of Saturn
Maybe he wants affection instead of a plastic life
Maybe he doesn't know what he wants at all

So he says please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
I'm lookin' 4 a better place 2 die

A newborn child knows nothing of destruction
Nothing of love and hate
What happens n between is a mystery
Because we don't give a damn about his fate

He said he'll never keep diaries 2 learn from his mistakes
Instead he'll just repeat all the good things that he's done
Fight 4 perfect love until it's perfect love he makes
When he's happy then his battle will be won (It's never 2 late)

Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me (Send 2 me...)
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me (Send 2 me... yeah)
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me (Send 2 me...)
I'm lookin' 4 a better place 2 die
Oh yeah! (Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me)
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
Please send all ur moonbeam levels 2 me
He don't, he don't, he don't really wanna die
He don't wanna, he don't wanna, he don't wanna die
He don't wanna, he don't wanna, he don't wanna die
He don't really wanna die

Gorgeous song. Amazing what he was writing and playing at 24 yrs old....

funksterr said:

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

Funksterr, this made me sad to read. It hurts my heart.

As for others on this thread, you don't know how to hang.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

funksterr said:

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

Funksterr, this made me sad to read. It hurts my heart.

As for others on this thread, you don't know how to hang.

Do you think others aren't sad? I love P, and I love a couple of people I know who had some things in common with description above. Everybody has their own way when meeting with great sadness.

What should others on this thread do?

violetcrush said:

rednblue said:

Violetcrush -- that's two of us thinking of Neal Karlen. Was just thinking of Neal saying they'd talk on the phone for hours late at night.

Yes!!! I think he really trusted him, and he was also fond of Allan Light - well, at least until he wrote his book about the making of Purple Rain

I believe we'll be seeing a book from Neal Karlen sometime this year. He's implied the latter half of 2019. Will absolutely buy it.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

funksterr said:

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

Funksterr, this made me sad to read. It hurts my heart.

As for others on this thread, you don't know how to hang.

Didn't Prince almost O/D in April of 1996?? I listened to an interview with Mayte Garcia, and she confirmed he was hospitalized due to taking too many pills. Had to get his stomach pumped

Mumio said:

violetcrush said:

Yes!!! I think he really trusted him, and he was also fond of Allan Light - well, at least until he wrote his book about the making of Purple Rain

I believe we'll be seeing a book from Neal Karlen sometime this year. He's implied the latter half of 2019. Will absolutely buy it.

Really!!!! Oh wow, strictly on his conversations with Prince?? I would def buy that one.

funksterr said:

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

funksterr, thank you for caring

TrivialPursuit said:

Morality is relative, not a constant.

.

Well... there are morals that humans innately live by. Without them we would not be in evolutionary stable states. This is why most religions have a lot in common. There are some morals that we'd better follow if we want to keep being. Of course, all religions add dogma and other, arbitrary "morals".

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This why all religions are evil, as they reinforce bad morals.

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Sorry, went very offtopic for a moment.

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As to Moonbeam Levels, I don't care what happened to inspire the song, but I sure love it.

[Edited 1/26/19 1:21am]

violetcrush said:

rednblue said:

Violetcrush -- that's two of us thinking of Neal Karlen. Was just thinking of Neal saying they'd talk on the phone for hours late at night.

Yes!!! I think he really trusted him, and he was also fond of Allan Light - well, at least until he wrote his book about the making of Purple Rain

I´m not aware of Prince disliking Alan Light after he released his book. Did he ever comment on it?

What I do know is that Neal Karlen said some weird stuff , and I don´t really like him. I´m suprised that that guy won Prince´s trust. He even once joked about how the letters he has would be more valuable once Prince is dead.

rdhull said:

funksterr said:

He said he was planning to end his, you know during PR. I asked him why didn't he do it. His reply: "You". I'm like, but I didn't know you then. Eventually I learn his biggest fear was that he'd do something and then have a ton of fan copycats go as well and it would be his fault. This was like 20 years or so before he passed away. But that fear of what he might unintentionaly inspire, knowledge of that, becomes a tool to keep him from doing stupid stuff. And he was referencing that quite heavily in his final years. The way he was is that he'd fight to find good reasons not to.. you know. He'd swear that he's going to something, and argue you down, keeping you up all night, knocking down all your reasons he shouldn't until you are worn down and like 'well I guess you are going to do it', then he'd change his mind and the the next morning want to plan his next big thing like nothing happened. Every 9 months or so he'd do that, over decades. The mentality he has on ML to me, is shocking, because I had forgot about that song until recently. Never really dug it. But it's shocking because that is exactly how he was acting IRL in the 90's. Dream Factory as well. I knew about TLWM and Goodbye, but those other two songs, which I had heard was about other people in his crew.. are clearly him to my ears based on the behavior I experienced. Which leads to why everybody in his crew lie so much about his sobriety and never talk of his apparantley severe mental health issues dating back to before PR. What are they covering up? I know some things from later, but what happened in the 80's that caused them to float this whopping lie that he don't do this and that? IDK.

More about ML... the idea of needing to lean on another person to live at all. Man, that's him IRL. He swore me to several agreements all around him living vs not living. 'When I get like that, Promise you will come help me out'. 'If I can't for me, and you can't for you, then we will for each other'. Only to then act recklessly as hell. I said this before, but, for him... you know, him living is YOUR responsibility, not his. 'Cause he don't give a eff. He want to go to Heaven, yada yada yada.

ML... is this even art??? Or does this man need professional services? How did we miss this as a fanbase? How did his management? How did his family? Half Prince catalog reference suic-sunm incl PR. Jeffrey Osborne ain't got no sui smn song. Prince got dozens, at least.

DM through 1999 was telling. Its no wonder he changed things up later in life. Sister JUO, LPWM etc...lawd. I dont blame him for turning semi prude.

I heard a gunshot (GBHA), but was always told it was a door slam.

TrivialPursuit said:

violetcrush said:

Well, we know for sure that Prince was not always honest when answering interview questions, but if we believe him that he was honest with his song lyrics then he has a bunch of songs that speak the "anti-drug" sentiment:

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Pop Life

Dream Factory

Eye No

The Good Life

The Undertaker

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Just to name a few....I know there are more

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With the exception of the E trip in '87 I don't think he was a recreational drug user. Like Bonatoc said, no way he could have maintained his playing/recording schedule while tripping on a regular basis.

Prince also had a ton of drug references in his music, which most times was probably a reference to culture and society in general. But those references go way back, at least to 1982. He also talked, since we're considering his lyrics gospel, about drinking here and there, even in "The Holy River". "Have another glass of Port, and forget this".

Let's face it, Prince had some fun over the years. Natural and enhanced.

There's quite a bunch of songs where Prince inhales.
"Now", "Schoolyard", some others where he coughs,
"Take a bath, Hippie!", childhood Jazz clubs.

I wished bongs would have been enough.
He'd still be there.
The higher the stakes,
the higher the skies,
the higher
the f
all?

I don't wanna wear these kind of glasses.
Yours and my glasses is all that's left.
To each his puzzle,
Purple Columbos
around the world.

funksterr, you shock me. But I can take it.
Some live performances were very dubious in the nineties.
If you're positive about it and I think you are,
I feel you, it's desesperance.

To me, it's quite clear.
But that's my Lady and the Gent Theory.
You're high-functioning (not saying you behave)
till the day Spooky comes back with a vengeance.

So Prince had very dark places, but also Visions.
And worked his life away, for not much,
some displaced air and smiles.
The absence of violence in his songbook
(I mean true violence) and messages about
staying clean are what's left.

Then it's up to everyone's Secret Garden.
To each Her, each His own.

La Liberté, Très Chers.
At 11.

[Edited 1/26/19 6:58am]

What aboot U?
Have U had your + sign 2day?

Diss what was goin' on
in Prince's mind at times.
And around the world.

So please,
please,
please,
please,
show some

PRINCE ROGERS NELSON
1958 - 2016

An Honest Artist
A Bad 1
A Sick 1


What a bloody Montarso©®™
bucket o' poisoned squirrels
of an epitaph.
Couldn't U come up
with something better suited
to what happened?




P.S. : This shit was in dedication of Bart, intellectuals in general,
feel honest on the surface, seem even educated,
persuaded they respect Prince,
but then again no one but themselves , ah, hélas!

Here's a glass raised to them and all other unintented
victims of a 2 bright a shining son,
himself in the number
and counting, the days and songs.


— Positivity?
— Yes, Positivity Telemarketers United™, how may I help you?
— Uh... Hello?




Meanwhile, don't forget 2
take a bath, Hipsters.

[Edited 1/26/19 7:53am]

bonatoc said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Prince also had a ton of drug references in his music, which most times was probably a reference to culture and society in general. But those references go way back, at least to 1982. He also talked, since we're considering his lyrics gospel, about drinking here and there, even in "The Holy River". "Have another glass of Port, and forget this".

Let's face it, Prince had some fun over the years. Natural and enhanced.

There's quite a bunch of songs where Prince inhales.
"Now", "Schoolyard", some others where he coughs,
"Take a bath, Hippie!", childhood Jazz clubs.

I wished bongs would have been enough.
He'd still be there.
The higher the stakes,
the higher the skies,
the higher
the f
all?

I don't wanna wear these kind of glasses.
Yours and my glasses is all that's left.
To each his puzzle,
Purple Columbos
around the world.

funksterr, you shock me. But I can take it.
Some live performances were very dubious in the nineties.
If you're positive about it and I think you are,
I feel you, it's desesperance.

To me, it's quite clear.
But that's my Lady and the Gent Theory.
You're high-functioning (not saying you behave)
till the day Spooky comes back with a vengeance.

So Prince had very dark places, but also Visions.
And worked his life away, for not much,
some displaced air and smiles.
The absence of violence in his songbook
(I mean true violence) and messages about
staying clean are what's left.

Then it's up to everyone's Secret Garden.
To each Her, each His own.

La Liberté, Très Chers.
At 11.

[Edited 1/26/19 6:58am]

No, in the song Schoolyard it's not Prince who is inhaling - it is the girl with whom he's about to "lose it"

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Schoolyard:

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Ace's girl showed up, that's when the party started jumpin'
Tower Of Power's "Squib Cakes" steady humpin'
I said "Carrie, hmm, do you wanna dance?"
She said "Uh hmm, yeah, like later man, first let me smoke this weed"
I said "Damn, my cologne ain't sayin' shit if this is what she needs"

[Spoken Interlude]
Yeah, before I knew it, Carrie was seein' double
That's when me and her got into trouble
So much for the dance
I started takin' off Carrie's pants

*

Same with "Now". He's referring to the "freaks on the floor" tripping, not himself....

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Now!
(Freaks on the floor)
1, 2, 1, 2
Light up another one dude

[Chorus]
Now! (1 2 3 4, come on, come on, freaks on the floor)
(Go go yeah) (Now) (Go go yeah)
Now! (1 2 3 4, come on, come on, freaks on the floor)
(Go go yeah) (Now) (Go go yeah)

[Verse 1]
One two one two ninety four
I'm on the set, freaks on the floor
Don't worry about my name, it's too long to remember
I could tell you now but we'd be here 'til next September
Three it be like that, see?
This ain't about the trippers tripping like they know they be
This ain't about this, that, what, where or how
This about the freaks doing everything they wanna do now
Now now - what cha gonna say? now now - how you wanna play?

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violetcrush said:

bonatoc said:

There's quite a bunch of songs where Prince inhales.
"Now", "Schoolyard", some others where he coughs,
"Take a bath, Hippie!", childhood Jazz clubs.

I wished bongs would have been enough.
He'd still be there.
The higher the stakes,
the higher the skies,
the higher
the f
all?

I don't wanna wear these kind of glasses.
Yours and my glasses is all that's left.
To each his puzzle,
Purple Columbos
around the world.

funksterr, you shock me. But I can take it.
Some live performances were very dubious in the nineties.
If you're positive about it and I think you are,
I feel you, it's desesperance.

To me, it's quite clear.
But that's my Lady and the Gent Theory.
You're high-functioning (not saying you behave)
till the day Spooky comes back with a vengeance.

So Prince had very dark places, but also Visions.
And worked his life away, for not much,
some displaced air and smiles.
The absence of violence in his songbook
(I mean true violence) and messages about
staying clean are what's left.

Then it's up to everyone's Secret Garden.
To each Her, each His own.

La Liberté, Très Chers.
At 11.

[Edited 1/26/19 6:58am]

No, in the song Schoolyard it's not Prince who is inhaling - it is the girl with whom he's about to "lose it"

*

Schoolyard:

*

Ace's girl showed up, that's when the party started jumpin'
Tower Of Power's "Squib Cakes" steady humpin'
I said "Carrie, hmm, do you wanna dance?"
She said "Uh hmm, yeah, like later man, first let me smoke this weed"
I said "Damn, my cologne ain't sayin' shit if this is what she needs"

[Spoken Interlude]
Yeah, before I knew it, Carrie was seein' double
That's when me and her got into trouble
So much for the dance
I started takin' off Carrie's pants

There's a "Carrie" in "Schoolyard"?
Now that's being schooled,
I B damned.

PS: Wait, he what?
That would be assault!
No, Prince is a gentilhomme,
in Gym Halls as in the bedroom.

I hope so, or you guys freak me out now:
Co-dependent, emotional junkie, suicidal
(guilty! Twenty years hard labour before!)...

PPS: Nah, I think he was stoned as well.
Typical Prince "I'm the superhero in this story, I lead it all.".
Schwarzie's T800 "I see everything", speaks of high-functioning
deluded fruitcakes in volumes.
Prince the Control Freak.

It takes him a thousand songs before he admits he has a glass of Porto.

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bonatoc said:

violetcrush said:

No, in the song Schoolyard it's not Prince who is inhaling - it is the girl with whom he's about to "lose it"

*

Schoolyard:

*

Ace's girl showed up, that's when the party started jumpin'
Tower Of Power's "Squib Cakes" steady humpin'
I said "Carrie, hmm, do you wanna dance?"
She said "Uh hmm, yeah, like later man, first let me smoke this weed"
I said "Damn, my cologne ain't sayin' shit if this is what she needs"

[Spoken Interlude]
Yeah, before I knew it, Carrie was seein' double
That's when me and her got into trouble
So much for the dance
I started takin' off Carrie's pants

There's a "Carrie" in "Schoolyard"?
Now that's being schooled,
I B damned.

PS: Wait, he what?

[Edited 1/26/19 7:56am]

One of his many girl "aliases" Check my edit...I "schooled" ya on Now as well

violetcrush said:

bonatoc said:

There's a "Carrie" in "Schoolyard"?
Now that's being schooled,
I B damned.

PS: Wait, he what?

[Edited 1/26/19 7:56am]

One of his many girl "aliases" Check my edit...

I "schooled" ya on Now as well

No, wait. The singer in this one is clearly high on something.
And you can't play the "Purple Music" card twice.
« That's the rules. »

bonatoc said:

violetcrush said:

One of his many girl "aliases" Check my edit...

I "schooled" ya on Now as well

No, wait. The singer in this one is clearly high on something.
And you can't play the "Purple Music" card twice.
« That's the rules. »

I'm a rule-breaker, what can I say??? Guess I need to get back to the schoolyard

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I actually do think all or most of his songs referencing drugs were either coming from his perspective as an observer of the "scene", or coming from a "you shouldn't do drugs" platform.

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Does that mean he always practiced what he was preaching? Probably not