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June7

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Prince's Death Investigation: Part 13

Discuss the controversies, insights, new information and respectful opinions about the death of Prince here. Don't troll or bring hateful discussion here. Be cool - or be gone. - June7

—-

Now, here’s what I’d like to do. It’s going to take some help from those who are properly commenting and engaging in discussion, to help out. I’d like those who enjoy this thread to NOT ENGAGE in those who come here and post the negativity. What I’d like instead, is for you to just report that post to me. Do not engage. I repeat, DO NOT ENGAGE ON THE POST! Just refer the post to me, and I’ll take care of the issue promptly. Do not talk about the post to others, just report it to me and then pretend you never saw them it.

Some of you are equally wrong for participating in the derailing of previous versions of this thread. If you don’t add fuel, there’s less fire. So, to those of you who choose to not listen to this idea - and engage - IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN WHAT I LISTED - then I’ll be talking to you as well, and trust me - it will not be a nice conversation.

This thread has been much nicer than the past ones already - if you enjoy having the place to discuss this topic, I hope I can count on you to follow my instructions.

Now, the anniversary of Alex’s passing is very soon, and I cannot guarantee I will be much help these next few days, but you never know. So, please help me out here.

— Thanks - June7
[PRINCE 4EVER!]

[June7, "ModGod"]
Reply #1 posted 01/04/19 1:55pm

Bodhitheblackdog

June7 said:

Discuss the controversies, insights, new information and respectful opinions about the death of Prince here. Don't troll or bring hateful discussion here. Be cool - or be gone. - June7

well, well, well...hope everyone is going to have a peaceful, loving, insightful, compassionate 2019...sure do miss that man...

Reply #2 posted 01/04/19 3:30pm

Strawberrylova123

What else to discuss regarding this topic? Let him R.I.P
Thats all I'm going to say..peace
Reply #3 posted 01/04/19 3:45pm

MoBettaBliss

Strawberrylova123 said:

What else to discuss regarding this topic? Let him R.I.P Thats all I'm going to say..peace



yep

enough is enough

it'll be 3 years this april ... come on

Reply #4 posted 01/04/19 5:01pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Bodhitheblackdog said:

June7 said:

Discuss the controversies, insights, new information and respectful opinions about the death of Prince here. Don't troll or bring hateful discussion here. Be cool - or be gone. - June7

well, well, well...hope everyone is going to have a peaceful, loving, insightful, compassionate 2019...sure do miss that man...



Well, well, well.

Someone who reappears as soon as this thread is started.


Reply #5 posted 01/04/19 5:05pm

SchlomoThaHomo

Strange how you think you're pretty much over it, and then something out of the blue chokes you up. Today it was the "are you sleeping" part of the Pop Life remix. No idea why.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #6 posted 01/04/19 5:54pm

nelcp777

Wonder why the glass in the studio was not tested or gathered as evidence?

Reply #7 posted 01/04/19 6:41pm

rogifan

Strawberrylova123 said:

What else to discuss regarding this topic? Let him R.I.P
Thats all I'm going to say..peace

Seriously. Let the man Rest In Peace for gods sake.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #8 posted 01/04/19 6:43pm

poppys

UGH, happy new year

Reply #9 posted 01/05/19 8:18am

sonshine

I was surprised to see this topic back up again too. I can't imagine what is left to discuss. There hasn't been any new information to discuss/share, but maybe I missed something.
In any case the only thing I have to say after all this time is that it's still a shame he's gone, and if nothing else his death has played a part in finally giving the opioid crisis in this country the attention it deserves. Better late than never I guess. At least from a public health standpoint an effort is being made.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
Reply #10 posted 01/05/19 8:34am

rednblue

sonshine said:

I was surprised to see this topic back up again too. I can't imagine what is left to discuss. There hasn't been any new information to discuss/share, but maybe I missed something. In any case the only thing I have to say after all this time is that it's still a shame he's gone, and if nothing else his death has played a part in finally giving the opioid crisis in this country the attention it deserves. Better late than never I guess. At least from a public health standpoint an effort is being made.


heart to you, to June7, to all who keep memories alive and hold loved ones in their hearts

Reply #11 posted 01/05/19 8:39am

peggyon

My thanks to you, June 7, as well.
Reply #12 posted 01/05/19 3:36pm

June7

Moderator

moderator

sonshine said:

I was surprised to see this topic back up again too. I can't imagine what is left to discuss. There hasn't been any new information to discuss/share, but maybe I missed something.
In any case the only thing I have to say after all this time is that it's still a shame he's gone, and if nothing else his death has played a part in finally giving the opioid crisis in this country the attention it deserves. Better late than never I guess. At least from a public health standpoint an effort is being made.


That’s sadly the case. I wish he knew how much we would have supported his efforts to get off this drug - if only. But, as a person who has used, the last thing you want anyone to know is this weakness.
[PRINCE 4EVER!]

[June7, "ModGod"]
Reply #13 posted 01/05/19 3:46pm

Bodhitheblackdog

June7 said:

sonshine said:
I was surprised to see this topic back up again too. I can't imagine what is left to discuss. There hasn't been any new information to discuss/share, but maybe I missed something. In any case the only thing I have to say after all this time is that it's still a shame he's gone, and if nothing else his death has played a part in finally giving the opioid crisis in this country the attention it deserves. Better late than never I guess. At least from a public health standpoint an effort is being made.
That’s sadly the case. I wish he knew how much we would have supported his efforts to get off this drug - if only. But, as a person who has used, the last thing you want anyone to know is this weakness.

Yes, YES and YESSSSS!!! Great point. IMO, it's frequently the secrecy and shame that's the biggest roadblock on the path to sobriety...it can be emotionally crippling beyond the physical and brain-rewiring aspects of addiction.

It's a comfort to believe that there wouldn't have been anyone in his Purple Army who wouldn't have wanted to help.

Reply #14 posted 01/05/19 7:16pm

rednblue

Bodhitheblackdog said:

June7 said:

sonshine said: That’s sadly the case. I wish he knew how much we would have supported his efforts to get off this drug - if only. But, as a person who has used, the last thing you want anyone to know is this weakness.

Yes, YES and YESSSSS!!! Great point. IMO, it's frequently the secrecy and shame that's the biggest roadblock on the path to sobriety...it can be emotionally crippling beyond the physical and brain-rewiring aspects of addiction.

It's a comfort to believe that there wouldn't have been anyone in his Purple Army who wouldn't have wanted to help.

[Edited 1/5/19 19:19pm]

Reply #15 posted 01/05/19 7:21pm

rednblue

Bodhitheblackdog said:

June7 said:

sonshine said: That’s sadly the case. I wish he knew how much we would have supported his efforts to get off this drug - if only. But, as a person who has used, the last thing you want anyone to know is this weakness.

Yes, YES and YESSSSS!!! Great point. IMO, it's frequently the secrecy and shame that's the biggest roadblock on the path to sobriety...it can be emotionally crippling beyond the physical and brain-rewiring aspects of addiction.

It's a comfort to believe that there wouldn't have been anyone in his Purple Army who wouldn't have wanted to help.



Yes...the discrepancy in how things are judged is amazing. People constantly do suboptimal stuff regarding their own (and sometimes other people's) health all the time. I know I do, even now, in what should be my older and wiser days. And people doing really suboptimal, and outright reckless stuff, happens all the time.

There is SO much condemnation for struggling with a substance, vs. almost anything else. It's over-the-top irrational.

No doubt the following is an odd-sounding comparison, but looking at things side by side sometimes brings things out for me. So...just like there are people who struggle not to use a substance, there are people who struggle to be faithful to a partner. There are those who want to "cheat," and even those in open relationships, but I'm talking about the large number of people who want to be faithful yet can't control themselves and fall off the wagon.

It floors me that people falling off the faithfulness wagon sometimes get props and admiring "you're the player" type feedback. Yet what happens to people struggling with control over cigarettes, alcohol, crack, meth, opiates, etc.? These people get one of the ultimate stigmas directed their way. For a medical condition!

Add to that how plenty of people with addiction are hard working and contributing much, and plenty are attempting to self medicate other serious conditions, some of which are also stigmatized. It's just incredible.

Reply #16 posted 01/05/19 8:03pm

peggyon

rednblue said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Yes, YES and YESSSSS!!! Great point. IMO, it's frequently the secrecy and shame that's the biggest roadblock on the path to sobriety...it can be emotionally crippling beyond the physical and brain-rewiring aspects of addiction.

It's a comfort to believe that there wouldn't have been anyone in his Purple Army who wouldn't have wanted to help.



Yes...the discrepancy in how things are judged is amazing. People constantly do suboptimal stuff regarding their own (and sometimes other people's) health all the time. I know I do, even now, in what should be my older and wiser days. And people doing really suboptimal, and outright reckless stuff, happens all the time.

There is SO much condemnation for struggling with a substance, vs. almost anything else. It's over-the-top irrational.

No doubt the following is an odd-sounding comparison, but looking at things side by side sometimes brings things out for me. So...just like there are people who struggle not to use a substance, there are people who struggle to be faithful to a partner. There are those who want to "cheat," and even those in open relationships, but I'm talking about the large number of people who want to be faithful yet can't control themselves and fall off the wagon.

It floors me that people falling off the faithfulness wagon sometimes get props and admiring "you're the player" type feedback. Yet what happens to people struggling with control over cigarettes, alcohol, crack, meth, opiates, etc.? These people get one of the ultimate stigmas directed their way. For a medical condition!

Add to that how plenty of people with addiction are hard working and contributing much, and plenty are attempting to self medicate other serious conditions, some of which are also stigmatized. It's just incredible.

I agree.

Reply #17 posted 01/05/19 11:48pm

AnnaStesia10

Thank u June7 for opening up this topic again for anyone on this forum still interested in talking about or reading about it. I for one am interested because for me, I am still not over his death and am in a way haunted by it. It is not a haunt that keeps me up at night or contributes to an unhealthy obsession. A haunt in a sense that I feel, still after the death investigation is over, we all are still not getting the full story.

You will have the people here go on and on about leave this alone he deserves his privacy. Let the man rest. But I say since Prince was a beloved public figure who touched the souls of so many and died by the the hands of a major pain med and I am sorry in such an odd way and found in an elevator in his musical oasis, that I do feel his fans and supporters do deserve to know the truth. The truth could bring full closure from any grief and also help people struggling with pain management and possible addiction to get the help they need. This all still does not make any fuckin' sense to me.

Add to that even after the officials released all the death investigation results and no one is to be charged, no one in is inner circle is talking about this and are protecting his image and legacy. It is like they all still feel they have a gag order and still have to adhere to those confidentiality agreements they all had to sign in order to work with Prince. Or they dont want any part of this.

The amount of closed mouths and shame attached to this pain pill issue, even in death, is a tragic shame in that I firmly believe the main reason Prince is dead right now is due to the closed mouths and Prince's own damn pride in not wanting to talk about this or reach out for help.

Prince was not perfect I feel we all know what the F he was probably going thru. But for no one in his circle of friends and peers to at least talk about this with honesty is very strange to me. And I feel it perpetuates the stigma attached to addiction and pain pills.

Right now I am reading the Death Investigation book by Jay Corn. Nothing new in it I just wanted to read because as I've admitted, I am still not over his death and sadly have more questions than before.
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #18 posted 01/06/19 3:13am

muchtoofast

broken
Reply #19 posted 01/06/19 6:03am

cantstop

AnnaStesia10 said:

Thank u June7 for opening up this topic again for anyone on this forum still interested in talking about or reading about it. I for one am interested because for me, I am still not over his death and am in a way haunted by it. It is not a haunt that keeps me up at night or contributes to an unhealthy obsession. A haunt in a sense that I feel, still after the death investigation is over, we all are still not getting the full story.

You will have the people here go on and on about leave this alone he deserves his privacy. Let the man rest. But I say since Prince was a beloved public figure who touched the souls of so many and died by the the hands of a major pain med and I am sorry in such an odd way and found in an elevator in his musical oasis, that I do feel his fans and supporters do deserve to know the truth. The truth could bring full closure from any grief and also help people struggling with pain management and possible addiction to get the help they need. This all still does not make any fuckin' sense to me.
Agree 100%
Add to that even after the officials released all the death investigation results and no one is to be charged, no one in is inner circle is talking about this and are protecting his image and legacy. It is like they all still feel they have a gag order and still have to adhere to those confidentiality agreements they all had to sign in order to work with Prince. Or they dont want any part of this.

The amount of closed mouths and shame attached to this pain pill issue, even in death, is a tragic shame in that I firmly believe the main reason Prince is dead right now is due to the closed mouths and Prince's own damn pride in not wanting to talk about this or reach out for help.

Prince was not perfect I feel we all know what the F he was probably going thru. But for no one in his circle of friends and peers to at least talk about this with honesty is very strange to me. And I feel it perpetuates the stigma attached to addiction and pain pills.

Right now I am reading the Death Investigation book by Jay Corn. Nothing new in it I just wanted to read because as I've admitted, I am still not over his death and sadly have more questions than before.
Reply #20 posted 01/06/19 6:05am

cantstop

Agree 100%
Reply #21 posted 01/06/19 1:03pm

sonshine

rednblue said:

 



Bodhitheblackdog said:


 



June7 said:


sonshine said: That’s sadly the case. I wish he knew how much we would have supported his efforts to get off this drug - if only. But, as a person who has used, the last thing you want anyone to know is this weakness.

Yes, YES and YESSSSS!!! Great point. IMO, it's frequently the secrecy and shame that's the biggest roadblock on the path to sobriety...it can be emotionally crippling beyond the physical and brain-rewiring aspects of addiction.


 


It's a comfort to believe that there wouldn't have been anyone in his Purple Army who wouldn't have wanted to help.





Yes...the discrepancy in how things are judged is amazing.  People constantly do suboptimal stuff regarding their own (and sometimes other people's) health all the time.  I know I do, even now, in what should be my older and wiser days.  And people doing really suboptimal, and outright reckless stuff, happens all the time.

There is SO much condemnation for struggling with a substance, vs. almost anything else.  It's over-the-top irrational.

No doubt the following is an odd-sounding comparison, but looking at things side by side sometimes brings things out for me.  So...just like there are people who struggle not to use a substance, there are people who struggle to be faithful to a partner.  There are those who want to "cheat," and even those in open relationships, but I'm talking about the large number of people who want to be faithful yet can't control themselves and fall off the wagon.

It floors me that people falling off the faithfulness wagon sometimes get props and admiring "you're the player" type feedback.  Yet what happens to people struggling with control over cigarettes, alcohol, crack, meth, opiates, etc.?  These people get one of the ultimate stigmas directed their way.  For a medical condition!

Add to that how plenty of people with addiction are hard working and contributing much, and plenty are attempting to self medicate other serious conditions, some of which are also stigmatized.  It's just incredible.


clapping Sad, but true. Thank you for saying this better than I could. I only wish more people were capable of such understanding and compassion. I've had people in my life that I have loved deeply, who were very worthy of the love they received. But the stigma is real and in actuality is probably even worse than you would imagine. It drives the secrecy, and the feelings of unworthiness that makes recovery so difficult.
[Edited 1/6/19 13:05pm]
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
Reply #22 posted 01/06/19 4:38pm

peggyon

I too feel there are many unaswered questions. Likely the family and inner circle are in 'legacy- management' as they may feel millions of dollars are at stake.

Reply #23 posted 01/06/19 5:05pm

SpamelaAnusorn

I don't trust everybody around Prince I feel like he had too many enemas and people that can get some thing from him.

DANCE 4 ME!!
Reply #24 posted 01/06/19 5:11pm

peggyon

SpamelaAnusorn said:

I don't trust everybody around Prince I feel like he had too many enemas and people that can get some thing from him.

The enemas were for constipation from opiate use.

Reply #25 posted 01/06/19 5:16pm

SpamelaAnusorn

peggyon said:

SpamelaAnusorn said:

I don't trust everybody around Prince I feel like he had too many enemas and people that can get some thing from him.

The enemas were for constipation from opiate use.

Keep u friends close and u enemies even closer nod

DANCE 4 ME!!
Reply #26 posted 01/06/19 11:21pm

June7

Moderator

moderator

AnnaStesia10 said:

Thank u June7 for opening up this topic again for anyone on this forum still interested in talking about or reading about it. I for one am interested because for me, I am still not over his death and am in a way haunted by it. It is not a haunt that keeps me up at night or contributes to an unhealthy obsession. A haunt in a sense that I feel, still after the death investigation is over, we all are still not getting the full story. You will have the people here go on and on about leave this alone he deserves his privacy. Let the man rest. But I say since Prince was a beloved public figure who touched the souls of so many and died by the the hands of a major pain med and I am sorry in such an odd way and found in an elevator in his musical oasis, that I do feel his fans and supporters do deserve to know the truth. The truth could bring full closure from any grief and also help people struggling with pain management and possible addiction to get the help they need. This all still does not make any fuckin' sense to me.

Excellent post.

Nobody can, or has the right to, tell anyone for how long they should grieve. I'm coming up to a year in my own son's death (on the 12th), and I'm still beside myself. Talking ... talking ... about his death, him, remembrences, etc., does help.

What people don't understand, or don't think about, is the condition or public understanding of how death affects those immediately surrounding you, or how it actually is felt, or how you're perceived from everytone around you when you lose a loved one, it's expected - we live, we die - it's in the bible. It's life. It's death. Most of us are, and have accepted the fact that this is so. But, when the death is your son, your child, it brings on a whole new sideline of empathy, sympathy and stigma. Yes ... I said stigma.

People are strange.

I have actually lost friends due to his death. Not in a way that they think you suck and have publicly stated that they never want to speak to you again, or anything like that - it's subtle. It's just a disappearance. And, normally I wouldn't have even noticed it if it were someone I was just an aquaintance of. But, this one person is/was a very dear friend, who, when this happened, just ... stopped ... talking ... to ... me.

This one I noticed - and, I called him on it. I called him at home about after a month after Alex died. His wife answered and she seamed slightly surprised I called and was cordial and offered her condolences and stammered out some sympathetic wishes, but seamed kinda nervous. We chatted a bit and I asked to speak to her husband - my 'brother'. That's how close I thought we were.

He got on the phone and my first words to him were, "Are you okay? I mean, are we okay?! Because ... I haven't heard from you in awhile, and I wasn't sure if you heard about Alex (I knew he did, I just threw that in there to offer him an out) and, you know, I don't understand why you didn't reach out?"

He answered, "Oh ... yeah ... I heard about that - and, I am so sorry for your loss ... understand, that it's just too close to my sister's death, I honestly couldn't offer you anything comfort wise, it's all too difficult for me right now".

And, right there, I suddenly wasn't upset with him anymore - just a little hurt that he couldn't have disclosed that to me instead of letting me think we were not as close as I thought we were. This goes back to my first paragraph - and, I don't have the right to tell him how long, or how to grieve.

He apologized, and I know he felt bad, but, so did I for not knowing why he didn't contact me. But, again, I wasn't expected to know.

I wrote a song about Alex and our family (his two siblings and his mother - my ex and myself) called "Easy". After the song talks about our family growing up together, splitting up, etc., it goes into what happened 'in present day' and how I'm dealing/not dealing with this. The last verse, which I believe needs to be brought out more, talked about more, made aware of more is this:

---

"So, please don't stop being my friend

You can stop me on the street again

Say, "How nice it is to see you, man"

Take me for a beer, and then

That might make it easier

Instead of trying to avoid these things - that's not okay

That's not the way

And if you do, that makes it easy

Well, a little bit easy"

---

My point was not to shame him (or those who didn't, or couldn't, talk to me). But, to remind people that being silent hurts even more. The parents who lost a child are shunned. Nobody wants to be reminded in this life that this happens. It's too tragic. So, they instead, subconciously take care of it by not dealing with it at all. And they just stop talking to you. I understand ... I do. But, that's not the way.

This is one of the reasons I believe that his death, Prince's, should not be held silent just to appease those who can't deal with it, or think it's too long after, or etc., etc., etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nobody should put their own beliefs, or restrictions, upon somebody else. Nobody should bitch at another person because their discomfort in dealing with something should be the same yours. You should be able to grieve for as long as you need to, publicly or privately. The choice in posting this thread is that simple for me. And anyone who has discomfort with this discussion should not click on the thread - the topic or subject matter, is clearly listed in the title. If it is not for you, simply skip this thread. No one will miss you or your reason for doing so.

Thank you. And thanks to all of you who have offered your condolences. I can't state how much those little words, or that moment of sympathy means to me.

Tomás - Easy

[PRINCE 4EVER!]

[June7, "ModGod"]
Reply #27 posted 01/06/19 11:35pm

June7

Moderator

moderator

SpamelaAnusorn said:

I don't trust everybody around Prince I feel like he had too many enemas and people that can get some thing from him.

One can never have too many enemas. Keeps shit real. eek

[PRINCE 4EVER!]

[June7, "ModGod"]
Reply #28 posted 01/07/19 7:08am

Bodhitheblackdog

June7 said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Thank u June7 for opening up this topic again for anyone on this forum still interested in talking about or reading about it. I for one am interested because for me, I am still not over his death and am in a way haunted by it. It is not a haunt that keeps me up at night or contributes to an unhealthy obsession. A haunt in a sense that I feel, still after the death investigation is over, we all are still not getting the full story. You will have the people here go on and on about leave this alone he deserves his privacy. Let the man rest. But I say since Prince was a beloved public figure who touched the souls of so many and died by the the hands of a major pain med and I am sorry in such an odd way and found in an elevator in his musical oasis, that I do feel his fans and supporters do deserve to know the truth. The truth could bring full closure from any grief and also help people struggling with pain management and possible addiction to get the help they need. This all still does not make any fuckin' sense to me.

Excellent post.

Nobody can, or has the right to, tell anyone for how long they should grieve. I'm coming up to a year in my own son's death (on the 12th), and I'm still beside myself. Talking ... talking ... about his death, him, remembrences, etc., does help.

What people don't understand, or don't think about, is the condition or public understanding of how death affects those immediately surrounding you, or how it actually is felt, or how you're perceived from everytone around you when you lose a loved one, it's expected - we live, we die - it's in the bible. It's life. It's death. Most of us are, and have accepted the fact that this is so. But, when the death is your son, your child, it brings on a whole new sideline of empathy, sympathy and stigma. Yes ... I said stigma.

People are strange.

I have actually lost friends due to his death. Not in a way that they think you suck and have publicly stated that they never want to speak to you again, or anything like that - it's subtle. It's just a disappearance. And, normally I wouldn't have even noticed it if it were someone I was just an aquaintance of. But, this one person is/was a very dear friend, who, when this happened, just ... stopped ... talking ... to ... me.

This one I noticed - and, I called him on it. I called him at home about after a month after Alex died. His wife answered and she seamed slightly surprised I called and was cordial and offered her condolences and stammered out some sympathetic wishes, but seamed kinda nervous. We chatted a bit and I asked to speak to her husband - my 'brother'. That's how close I thought we were.

He got on the phone and my first words to him were, "Are you okay? I mean, are we okay?! Because ... I haven't heard from you in awhile, and I wasn't sure if you heard about Alex (I knew he did, I just threw that in there to offer him an out) and, you know, I don't understand why you didn't reach out?"

He answered, "Oh ... yeah ... I heard about that - and, I am so sorry for your loss ... understand, that it's just too close to my sister's death, I honestly couldn't offer you anything comfort wise, it's all too difficult for me right now".

And, right there, I suddenly wasn't upset with him anymore - just a little hurt that he couldn't have disclosed that to me instead of letting me think we were not as close as I thought we were. This goes back to my first paragraph - and, I don't have the right to tell him how long, or how to grieve.

He apologized, and I know he felt bad, but, so did I for not knowing why he didn't contact me. But, again, I wasn't expected to know.

I wrote a song about Alex and our family (his two siblings and his mother - my ex and myself) called "Easy". After the song talks about our family growing up together, splitting up, etc., it goes into what happened 'in present day' and how I'm dealing/not dealing with this. The last verse, which I believe needs to be brought out more, talked about more, made aware of more is this:

---

"So, please don't stop being my friend

You can stop me on the street again

Say, "How nice it is to see you, man"

Take me for a beer, and then

That might make it easier

Instead of trying to avoid these things - that's not okay

That's not the way

And if you do, that makes it easy

Well, a little bit easy"

---

My point was not to shame him (or those who didn't, or couldn't, talk to me). But, to remind people that being silent hurts even more. The parents who lost a child are shunned. Nobody wants to be reminded in this life that this happens. It's too tragic. So, they instead, subconciously take care of it by not dealing with it at all. And they just stop talking to you. I understand ... I do. But, that's not the way.

This is one of the reasons I believe that his death, Prince's, should not be held silent just to appease those who can't deal with it, or think it's too long after, or etc., etc., etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nobody should put their own beliefs, or restrictions, upon somebody else. Nobody should bitch at another person because their discomfort in dealing with something should be the same yours. You should be able to grieve for as long as you need to, publicly or privately. The choice in posting this thread is that simple for me. And anyone who has discomfort with this discussion should not click on the thread - the topic or subject matter, is clearly listed in the title. If it is not for you, simply skip this thread. No one will miss you or your reason for doing so.

Thank you. And thanks to all of you who have offered your condolences. I can't state how much those little words, or that moment of sympathy means to me.

Tomás - Easy

June 7, thanks for this...people love, suffer, grieve in their own way...I think we all saw this truth in Prince's music. It's what makes him unique and irreplacable. It was the core of his genius. RIP.

Reply #29 posted 01/07/19 7:12am

PennyPurple

June7 said:

Excellent post.

Nobody can, or has the right to, tell anyone for how long they should grieve. I'm coming up to a year in my own son's death (on the 12th), and I'm still beside myself. Talking ... talking ... about his death, him, remembrences, etc., does help.

What people don't understand, or don't think about, is the condition or public understanding of how death affects those immediately surrounding you, or how it actually is felt, or how you're perceived from everytone around you when you lose a loved one, it's expected - we live, we die - it's in the bible. It's life. It's death. Most of us are, and have accepted the fact that this is so. But, when the death is your son, your child, it brings on a whole new sideline of empathy, sympathy and stigma. Yes ... I said stigma.

People are strange.

I have actually lost friends due to his death. Not in a way that they think you suck and have publicly stated that they never want to speak to you again, or anything like that - it's subtle. It's just a disappearance. And, normally I wouldn't have even noticed it if it were someone I was just an aquaintance of. But, this one person is/was a very dear friend, who, when this happened, just ... stopped ... talking ... to ... me.

This one I noticed - and, I called him on it. I called him at home about after a month after Alex died. His wife answered and she seamed slightly surprised I called and was cordial and offered her condolences and stammered out some sympathetic wishes, but seamed kinda nervous. We chatted a bit and I asked to speak to her husband - my 'brother'. That's how close I thought we were.

He got on the phone and my first words to him were, "Are you okay? I mean, are we okay?! Because ... I haven't heard from you in awhile, and I wasn't sure if you heard about Alex (I knew he did, I just threw that in there to offer him an out) and, you know, I don't understand why you didn't reach out?"

He answered, "Oh ... yeah ... I heard about that - and, I am so sorry for your loss ... understand, that it's just too close to my sister's death, I honestly couldn't offer you anything comfort wise, it's all too difficult for me right now".

And, right there, I suddenly wasn't upset with him anymore - just a little hurt that he couldn't have disclosed that to me instead of letting me think we were not as close as I thought we were. This goes back to my first paragraph - and, I don't have the right to tell him how long, or how to grieve.

He apologized, and I know he felt bad, but, so did I for not knowing why he didn't contact me. But, again, I wasn't expected to know.

I wrote a song about Alex and our family (his two siblings and his mother - my ex and myself) called "Easy". After the song talks about our family growing up together, splitting up, etc., it goes into what happened 'in present day' and how I'm dealing/not dealing with this. The last verse, which I believe needs to be brought out more, talked about more, made aware of more is this:

---

"So, please don't stop being my friend

You can stop me on the street again

Say, "How nice it is to see you, man"

Take me for a beer, and then

That might make it easier

Instead of trying to avoid these things - that's not okay

That's not the way

And if you do, that makes it easy

Well, a little bit easy"

---

My point was not to shame him (or those who didn't, or couldn't, talk to me). But, to remind people that being silent hurts even more. The parents who lost a child are shunned. Nobody wants to be reminded in this life that this happens. It's too tragic. So, they instead, subconciously take care of it by not dealing with it at all. And they just stop talking to you. I understand ... I do. But, that's not the way.

This is one of the reasons I believe that his death, Prince's, should not be held silent just to appease those who can't deal with it, or think it's too long after, or etc., etc., etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nobody should put their own beliefs, or restrictions, upon somebody else. Nobody should bitch at another person because their discomfort in dealing with something should be the same yours. You should be able to grieve for as long as you need to, publicly or privately. The choice in posting this thread is that simple for me. And anyone who has discomfort with this discussion should not click on the thread - the topic or subject matter, is clearly listed in the title. If it is not for you, simply skip this thread. No one will miss you or your reason for doing so.

Thank you. And thanks to all of you who have offered your condolences. I can't state how much those little words, or that moment of sympathy means to me.

Tomás - Easy

Wonderful words June.

It is odd how friends just walk away in times of need. My parents had best friends that they would go on vacation with and do everything together, when my Step Dad passed, my Mom never heard from them again. eek

I'm sorry you are going thru such a heartbreaking time. (hugs)

Reply #30 posted 01/07/19 7:59am

Bodhitheblackdog

PennyPurple said:

June7 said:

Excellent post.

Nobody can, or has the right to, tell anyone for how long they should grieve. I'm coming up to a year in my own son's death (on the 12th), and I'm still beside myself. Talking ... talking ... about his death, him, remembrences, etc., does help.

What people don't understand, or don't think about, is the condition or public understanding of how death affects those immediately surrounding you, or how it actually is felt, or how you're perceived from everytone around you when you lose a loved one, it's expected - we live, we die - it's in the bible. It's life. It's death. Most of us are, and have accepted the fact that this is so. But, when the death is your son, your child, it brings on a whole new sideline of empathy, sympathy and stigma. Yes ... I said stigma.

People are strange.

I have actually lost friends due to his death. Not in a way that they think you suck and have publicly stated that they never want to speak to you again, or anything like that - it's subtle. It's just a disappearance. And, normally I wouldn't have even noticed it if it were someone I was just an aquaintance of. But, this one person is/was a very dear friend, who, when this happened, just ... stopped ... talking ... to ... me.

This one I noticed - and, I called him on it. I called him at home about after a month after Alex died. His wife answered and she seamed slightly surprised I called and was cordial and offered her condolences and stammered out some sympathetic wishes, but seamed kinda nervous. We chatted a bit and I asked to speak to her husband - my 'brother'. That's how close I thought we were.

He got on the phone and my first words to him were, "Are you okay? I mean, are we okay?! Because ... I haven't heard from you in awhile, and I wasn't sure if you heard about Alex (I knew he did, I just threw that in there to offer him an out) and, you know, I don't understand why you didn't reach out?"

He answered, "Oh ... yeah ... I heard about that - and, I am so sorry for your loss ... understand, that it's just too close to my sister's death, I honestly couldn't offer you anything comfort wise, it's all too difficult for me right now".

And, right there, I suddenly wasn't upset with him anymore - just a little hurt that he couldn't have disclosed that to me instead of letting me think we were not as close as I thought we were. This goes back to my first paragraph - and, I don't have the right to tell him how long, or how to grieve.

He apologized, and I know he felt bad, but, so did I for not knowing why he didn't contact me. But, again, I wasn't expected to know.

I wrote a song about Alex and our family (his two siblings and his mother - my ex and myself) called "Easy". After the song talks about our family growing up together, splitting up, etc., it goes into what happened 'in present day' and how I'm dealing/not dealing with this. The last verse, which I believe needs to be brought out more, talked about more, made aware of more is this:

---

"So, please don't stop being my friend

You can stop me on the street again

Say, "How nice it is to see you, man"

Take me for a beer, and then

That might make it easier

Instead of trying to avoid these things - that's not okay

That's not the way

And if you do, that makes it easy

Well, a little bit easy"

---

My point was not to shame him (or those who didn't, or couldn't, talk to me). But, to remind people that being silent hurts even more. The parents who lost a child are shunned. Nobody wants to be reminded in this life that this happens. It's too tragic. So, they instead, subconciously take care of it by not dealing with it at all. And they just stop talking to you. I understand ... I do. But, that's not the way.

This is one of the reasons I believe that his death, Prince's, should not be held silent just to appease those who can't deal with it, or think it's too long after, or etc., etc., etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nobody should put their own beliefs, or restrictions, upon somebody else. Nobody should bitch at another person because their discomfort in dealing with something should be the same yours. You should be able to grieve for as long as you need to, publicly or privately. The choice in posting this thread is that simple for me. And anyone who has discomfort with this discussion should not click on the thread - the topic or subject matter, is clearly listed in the title. If it is not for you, simply skip this thread. No one will miss you or your reason for doing so.

Thank you. And thanks to all of you who have offered your condolences. I can't state how much those little words, or that moment of sympathy means to me.

Tomás - Easy

Wonderful words June.

It is odd how friends just walk away in times of need. My parents had best friends that they would go on vacation with and do everything together, when my Step Dad passed, my Mom never heard from them again. eek

I'm sorry you are going thru such a heartbreaking time. (hugs)

PENNY!!! yes

Reply #31 posted 01/07/19 8:09am

onlyforaminute

With all due respect to a parent that's grieving. Though this is not the same thing. I know while you want to talk about your son and express your love for him. You don't want to listen to everybody's opinion about what they think lead to your son's accident and what kind of person they thought he was or how they didn't like how he lead his life with no filter or no care on how you might be feeling either. You would expect some courtesy. So while people dont have to come here, some of that "speculation" spills out other places. And the same thing can be said for every single thread where people use no filter and express every single thought that pops in their head.
"The sole purpose of a child's middle name is so he can tell when he's really in trouble.

- Somebody
Reply #32 posted 01/07/19 8:31am

Bodhitheblackdog

onlyforaminute said:

With all due respect to a parent that's grieving. Though this is not the same thing. I know while you want to talk about your son and express your love for him. You don't want to listen to everybody's opinion about what they think lead to your son's accident and what kind of person they thought he was or how they didn't like how he lead his life with no filter or no care on how you might be feeling either. You would expect some courtesy. So while people dont have to come here, some of that "speculation" spills out other places. And the same thing can be said for every single thread where people use no filter and express every single thought that pops in their head.

That is the beauty, horror, reality of cyber communication throughout the wired-up world, not just on Prince.Org.

People can be, express, feel whatever they are compelled to share with anyone and everyone (sometimes at their own peril) but, nevertheless, such participation can be liberating, authentic and creative.

To paraphrase June7's comments...those who feel unease about this rampant 'sharing'...should perhaps avoid fan sites, chat rooms, comments sections on news stories, social media, etc.

It's a personal choice to 'go there.'

Reply #33 posted 01/07/19 9:13am

onlyforaminute

Bodhitheblackdog said:

 



onlyforaminute said:


With all due respect to a parent that's grieving. Though this is not the same thing. I know while you want to talk about your son and express your love for him. You don't want to listen to everybody's opinion about what they think lead to your son's accident and what kind of person they thought he was or how they didn't like how he lead his life with no filter or no care on how you might be feeling either. You would expect some courtesy. So while people dont have to come here, some of that "speculation" spills out other places. And the same thing can be said for every single thread where people use no filter and express every single thought that pops in their head.

That is the beauty, horror, reality of cyber communication throughout the wired-up world, not just on Prince.Org.


 


People can be, express, feel whatever they are compelled to share with anyone and everyone (sometimes at their own peril) but, nevertheless, such participation can be liberating, authentic and creative.


 


To paraphrase June7's comments...those who feel unease about this rampant 'sharing'...should perhaps avoid fan sites, chat rooms, comments sections on news stories, social media, etc.


 


It's a personal choice to 'go there.'



But that exact same reasoning can be applied to everything. Yet tha rules on this board is there is no rights to free speech here. Everything has limits. Truth. Not everyone knew or adored his son. I doubt he'd want those people all up in his house expressing all their feelings and then telling members of his family they can go to another room where they don't have to hear it.
[Edited 1/7/19 9:27am]
"The sole purpose of a child's middle name is so he can tell when he's really in trouble.

- Somebody
Reply #34 posted 01/07/19 9:32am

Bodhitheblackdog

onlyforaminute said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

That is the beauty, horror, reality of cyber communication throughout the wired-up world, not just on Prince.Org.

People can be, express, feel whatever they are compelled to share with anyone and everyone (sometimes at their own peril) but, nevertheless, such participation can be liberating, authentic and creative.

To paraphrase June7's comments...those who feel unease about this rampant 'sharing'...should perhaps avoid fan sites, chat rooms, comments sections on news stories, social media, etc.

It's a personal choice to 'go there.'

But that exact same reasoning can be applied to everything. Yet tha rules on this board is there is no rights to free speech here. Everything has limits. Truth. Not everyone knew or adored his son. I doubt he'd want those people all up in his house expressing all their feelings and then telling members of his family they can go to another room where they don't have to hear it. [Edited 1/7/19 9:27am]

Excellent points but the Org. 'rules' have about as much ultimate control over how Prince is/was perceived or remembered as did Prince himself who courted attention, speculation and gossip from the inception of his career with his clothing, promiscuity and carefully cultivated 'mysteriousness.'

It's hard to put that genie back in the bottle once your wishes for fame, success and adoration have been granted.

Reply #35 posted 01/07/19 9:42am

minnesoundlvr

June7 said:

SpamelaAnusorn said:

I don't trust everybody around Prince I feel like he had too many enemas and people that can get some thing from him.

One can never have too many enemas. Keeps shit real. eek

confused

Reply #36 posted 01/07/19 9:51am

onlyforaminute

The same exact stuff over and over again. If that's the energy desired around here, then that's the kind of energy desired around here. But let's not dress it up like something caring and empathetic. Its salacious gossip.
"The sole purpose of a child's middle name is so he can tell when he's really in trouble.

- Somebody
Reply #37 posted 01/07/19 10:21am

rednblue

sonshine said:

rednblue said:



Yes...the discrepancy in how things are judged is amazing. People constantly do suboptimal stuff regarding their own (and sometimes other people's) health all the time. I know I do, even now, in what should be my older and wiser days. And people doing really suboptimal, and outright reckless stuff, happens all the time.

There is SO much condemnation for struggling with a substance, vs. almost anything else. It's over-the-top irrational.

No doubt the following is an odd-sounding comparison, but looking at things side by side sometimes brings things out for me. So...just like there are people who struggle not to use a substance, there are people who struggle to be faithful to a partner. There are those who want to "cheat," and even those in open relationships, but I'm talking about the large number of people who want to be faithful yet can't control themselves and fall off the wagon.

It floors me that people falling off the faithfulness wagon sometimes get props and admiring "you're the player" type feedback. Yet what happens to people struggling with control over cigarettes, alcohol, crack, meth, opiates, etc.? These people get one of the ultimate stigmas directed their way. For a medical condition!

Add to that how plenty of people with addiction are hard working and contributing much, and plenty are attempting to self medicate other serious conditions, some of which are also stigmatized. It's just incredible.

clapping Sad, but true. Thank you for saying this better than I could. I only wish more people were capable of such understanding and compassion. I've had people in my life that I have loved deeply, who were very worthy of the love they received. But the stigma is real and in actuality is probably even worse than you would imagine. It drives the secrecy, and the feelings of unworthiness that makes recovery so difficult. [Edited 1/6/19 13:05pm]


Thank you for your kind words! The inability to fully know what it's like in someone else's shoes (though it's hugely important/helpful to try to imagine) gives pause. The enduring strength of some of these forces, and the destruction that their power drives, is part of why I think there's such a long way to go.


I hope that here, and also (as our younger family members would say) "IRL," some things have come your way...that is words/gestures/actions that manage to ease, just a tiny bit, the pain of your recent losses, or that make that pain just a tiny bit easier to bear.

[Edited 1/7/19 18:17pm]

Reply #38 posted 01/07/19 10:39am

rednblue

onlyforaminute said:

The same exact stuff over and over again. If that's the energy desired around here, then that's the kind of energy desired around here. But let's not dress it up like something caring and empathetic. Its salacious gossip.


I may be completely off base re: what is on your mind, but perhaps romantic interests of famous people also find themselves the targets of a completely irrational level of condemnation.

I'm not saying that lovers/muses/girlfriends/etc. weren't ever naive, or that Prince himself wasn't naive, about how some of these relationships might play out. But the level of careless talk/claims/condemnation, especially vs. appreciation of what these people brought to one another and to the music, is over the top.

Reply #39 posted 01/07/19 11:02am

rednblue

delete

[Edited 1/7/19 11:03am]

Reply #40 posted 01/07/19 11:06am

onlyforaminute

rednblue said:

 



onlyforaminute said:


The same exact stuff over and over again. If that's the energy desired around here, then that's the kind of energy desired around here. But let's not dress it up like something caring and empathetic. Its salacious gossip.


I may be completely off base re: what is on your mind, but perhaps romantic interests of famous people also find themselves the targets of a completely irrational level of condemnation.

I'm not saying that lovers/muses/girlfriends/etc. weren't ever naive, or that Prince himself wasn't naive, about how some of these relationships might play out.  But the level of careless talk/claims/condemnation, especially vs. appreciation of what these people brought to one another and to the music, is over the top.




No I don't like being snowed. I've been on this planet long enough to know what I'm looking at. We've been through several of these threads we know exactly what gets said in them. There hasn't been a drop of new information to explore so it doesn't take a genius to know that the exact same things that were said in the previous threadz are the exact same things that will be said in this one and any others. SSDD. Many folks on the org ARE still grieving but not everybody is here for compassionate reasons regardless of what's said, Actions trump words. Just stop with the bs, is all I'm saying. You wanna gossip and tell fan fiction.
"The sole purpose of a child's middle name is so he can tell when he's really in trouble.

- Somebody
Reply #41 posted 01/07/19 11:10am

rednblue

June7 said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Thank u June7 for opening up this topic again for anyone on this forum still interested in talking about or reading about it. I for one am interested because for me, I am still not over his death and am in a way haunted by it. It is not a haunt that keeps me up at night or contributes to an unhealthy obsession. A haunt in a sense that I feel, still after the death investigation is over, we all are still not getting the full story. You will have the people here go on and on about leave this alone he deserves his privacy. Let the man rest. But I say since Prince was a beloved public figure who touched the souls of so many and died by the the hands of a major pain med and I am sorry in such an odd way and found in an elevator in his musical oasis, that I do feel his fans and supporters do deserve to know the truth. The truth could bring full closure from any grief and also help people struggling with pain management and possible addiction to get the help they need. This all still does not make any fuckin' sense to me.

Excellent post.

Nobody can, or has the right to, tell anyone for how long they should grieve. I'm coming up to a year in my own son's death (on the 12th), and I'm still beside myself. Talking ... talking ... about his death, him, remembrences, etc., does help.

What people don't understand, or don't think about, is the condition or public understanding of how death affects those immediately surrounding you, or how it actually is felt, or how you're perceived from everytone around you when you lose a loved one, it's expected - we live, we die - it's in the bible. It's life. It's death. Most of us are, and have accepted the fact that this is so. But, when the death is your son, your child, it brings on a whole new sideline of empathy, sympathy and stigma. Yes ... I said stigma.

People are strange.

I have actually lost friends due to his death. Not in a way that they think you suck and have publicly stated that they never want to speak to you again, or anything like that - it's subtle. It's just a disappearance. And, normally I wouldn't have even noticed it if it were someone I was just an aquaintance of. But, this one person is/was a very dear friend, who, when this happened, just ... stopped ... talking ... to ... me.

This one I noticed - and, I called him on it. I called him at home about after a month after Alex died. His wife answered and she seamed slightly surprised I called and was cordial and offered her condolences and stammered out some sympathetic wishes, but seamed kinda nervous. We chatted a bit and I asked to speak to her husband - my 'brother'. That's how close I thought we were.

He got on the phone and my first words to him were, "Are you okay? I mean, are we okay?! Because ... I haven't heard from you in awhile, and I wasn't sure if you heard about Alex (I knew he did, I just threw that in there to offer him an out) and, you know, I don't understand why you didn't reach out?"

He answered, "Oh ... yeah ... I heard about that - and, I am so sorry for your loss ... understand, that it's just too close to my sister's death, I honestly couldn't offer you anything comfort wise, it's all too difficult for me right now".

And, right there, I suddenly wasn't upset with him anymore - just a little hurt that he couldn't have disclosed that to me instead of letting me think we were not as close as I thought we were. This goes back to my first paragraph - and, I don't have the right to tell him how long, or how to grieve.

He apologized, and I know he felt bad, but, so did I for not knowing why he didn't contact me. But, again, I wasn't expected to know.

I wrote a song about Alex and our family (his two siblings and his mother - my ex and myself) called "Easy". After the song talks about our family growing up together, splitting up, etc., it goes into what happened 'in present day' and how I'm dealing/not dealing with this. The last verse, which I believe needs to be brought out more, talked about more, made aware of more is this:

---

"So, please don't stop being my friend

You can stop me on the street again

Say, "How nice it is to see you, man"

Take me for a beer, and then

That might make it easier

Instead of trying to avoid these things - that's not okay

That's not the way

And if you do, that makes it easy

Well, a little bit easy"

---

My point was not to shame him (or those who didn't, or couldn't, talk to me). But, to remind people that being silent hurts even more. The parents who lost a child are shunned. Nobody wants to be reminded in this life that this happens. It's too tragic. So, they instead, subconciously take care of it by not dealing with it at all. And they just stop talking to you. I understand ... I do. But, that's not the way.

This is one of the reasons I believe that his death, Prince's, should not be held silent just to appease those who can't deal with it, or think it's too long after, or etc., etc., etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nobody should put their own beliefs, or restrictions, upon somebody else. Nobody should bitch at another person because their discomfort in dealing with something should be the same yours. You should be able to grieve for as long as you need to, publicly or privately. The choice in posting this thread is that simple for me. And anyone who has discomfort with this discussion should not click on the thread - the topic or subject matter, is clearly listed in the title. If it is not for you, simply skip this thread. No one will miss you or your reason for doing so.

Thank you. And thanks to all of you who have offered your condolences. I can't state how much those little words, or that moment of sympathy means to me.

Tomás - Easy


I second the "excellent post" review!

And thanks to both of you for the touching, disturbing, and thought-provoking observations.

Reply #42 posted 01/07/19 11:32am

rednblue

June7 said:

SpamelaAnusorn said:

I don't trust everybody around Prince I feel like he had too many enemas and people that can get some thing from him.

One can never have too many enemas. Keeps shit real. eek


June7, you bestowed the "excellent post" award. Now I will bestow the "excellent comeback" award.

SpamelaAnusorn, you've met your match.

Reply #43 posted 01/07/19 11:54am

rednblue

PennyPurple said:

June7 said:

Excellent post.

Nobody can, or has the right to, tell anyone for how long they should grieve. I'm coming up to a year in my own son's death (on the 12th), and I'm still beside myself. Talking ... talking ... about his death, him, remembrences, etc., does help.

What people don't understand, or don't think about, is the condition or public understanding of how death affects those immediately surrounding you, or how it actually is felt, or how you're perceived from everytone around you when you lose a loved one, it's expected - we live, we die - it's in the bible. It's life. It's death. Most of us are, and have accepted the fact that this is so. But, when the death is your son, your child, it brings on a whole new sideline of empathy, sympathy and stigma. Yes ... I said stigma.

People are strange.

I have actually lost friends due to his death. Not in a way that they think you suck and have publicly stated that they never want to speak to you again, or anything like that - it's subtle. It's just a disappearance. And, normally I wouldn't have even noticed it if it were someone I was just an aquaintance of. But, this one person is/was a very dear friend, who, when this happened, just ... stopped ... talking ... to ... me.

This one I noticed - and, I called him on it. I called him at home about after a month after Alex died. His wife answered and she seamed slightly surprised I called and was cordial and offered her condolences and stammered out some sympathetic wishes, but seamed kinda nervous. We chatted a bit and I asked to speak to her husband - my 'brother'. That's how close I thought we were.

He got on the phone and my first words to him were, "Are you okay? I mean, are we okay?! Because ... I haven't heard from you in awhile, and I wasn't sure if you heard about Alex (I knew he did, I just threw that in there to offer him an out) and, you know, I don't understand why you didn't reach out?"

He answered, "Oh ... yeah ... I heard about that - and, I am so sorry for your loss ... understand, that it's just too close to my sister's death, I honestly couldn't offer you anything comfort wise, it's all too difficult for me right now".

And, right there, I suddenly wasn't upset with him anymore - just a little hurt that he couldn't have disclosed that to me instead of letting me think we were not as close as I thought we were. This goes back to my first paragraph - and, I don't have the right to tell him how long, or how to grieve.

He apologized, and I know he felt bad, but, so did I for not knowing why he didn't contact me. But, again, I wasn't expected to know.

I wrote a song about Alex and our family (his two siblings and his mother - my ex and myself) called "Easy". After the song talks about our family growing up together, splitting up, etc., it goes into what happened 'in present day' and how I'm dealing/not dealing with this. The last verse, which I believe needs to be brought out more, talked about more, made aware of more is this:

---

"So, please don't stop being my friend

You can stop me on the street again

Say, "How nice it is to see you, man"

Take me for a beer, and then

That might make it easier

Instead of trying to avoid these things - that's not okay

That's not the way

And if you do, that makes it easy

Well, a little bit easy"

---

My point was not to shame him (or those who didn't, or couldn't, talk to me). But, to remind people that being silent hurts even more. The parents who lost a child are shunned. Nobody wants to be reminded in this life that this happens. It's too tragic. So, they instead, subconciously take care of it by not dealing with it at all. And they just stop talking to you. I understand ... I do. But, that's not the way.

This is one of the reasons I believe that his death, Prince's, should not be held silent just to appease those who can't deal with it, or think it's too long after, or etc., etc., etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nobody should put their own beliefs, or restrictions, upon somebody else. Nobody should bitch at another person because their discomfort in dealing with something should be the same yours. You should be able to grieve for as long as you need to, publicly or privately. The choice in posting this thread is that simple for me. And anyone who has discomfort with this discussion should not click on the thread - the topic or subject matter, is clearly listed in the title. If it is not for you, simply skip this thread. No one will miss you or your reason for doing so.

Thank you. And thanks to all of you who have offered your condolences. I can't state how much those little words, or that moment of sympathy means to me.

Tomás - Easy

Wonderful words June.

It is odd how friends just walk away in times of need. My parents had best friends that they would go on vacation with and do everything together, when my Step Dad passed, my Mom never heard from them again. eek

I'm sorry you are going thru such a heartbreaking time. (hugs)


So sad to hear of the turning away that both of your families experienced.

Can't begin to imagine what it's like to have grief met with that. Reaching out can mean an awful lot, even in ordinary circumstances.

Speaking of infinitely easier circumstances, I asked a question on the Org a while back. I said I'd try to shut up and just listen to any who might care to respond. That's just what I did.

Reflecting on all this, I want to thank those who responded. To leec1, Pennypurple, peggyon, others...your words were very much appreciated!

[Edited 1/7/19 12:05pm]

Reply #44 posted 01/07/19 12:11pm

peggyon

I feel that folks are approaching this thread more carefully this time, which is good.

My thoughts

Prince was a very complex individual. Though he had a private side, he also struck me as somewhat needing attention as well. Alan Leeds said he needed approbation. He wanted it both ways. And, as Bodhi mentioned, the genie is out of that bottle.

I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic schools with exceptionally mean nuns where there was alot of shame, abuse, secrets and authoritarianism. (This was my experience only). I think, partly as a result of that upbringing (my parents were liberal, thank God),I am less tolerant of secrets and shame.

There is a large helping of both in Prince's death narrative and I feel the authoritarianism as well...It is basically saying, don't ask questions, accept the 'party line', 'that' did not happen, etc. etc.. Excuse me? As soon as things get too close for comfort, there are the 'designated' orgers (I can name them), who burst out of the woodwork, issuing ultimatums, 'outrage' and threaten to lock the thread.They are predictable and their behavior is questionable to me.

I feel strongly that there are forces who want to manage the narrative as there are 'things' to suppress. After all, lots of money is at stake.

Unfortunately for them, people are naturally wired to return to situations that don't make sense. So, buckle up for a long ride!

All this speculation would cease in minutes if there was honesty and sincerity from those "in the know"

Reply #45 posted 01/07/19 12:22pm

rednblue

onlyforaminute said:

rednblue said:


I may be completely off base re: what is on your mind, but perhaps romantic interests of famous people also find themselves the targets of a completely irrational level of condemnation.

I'm not saying that lovers/muses/girlfriends/etc. weren't ever naive, or that Prince himself wasn't naive, about how some of these relationships might play out. But the level of careless talk/claims/condemnation, especially vs. appreciation of what these people brought to one another and to the music, is over the top.

No I don't like being snowed. I've been on this planet long enough to know what I'm looking at. We've been through several of these threads we know exactly what gets said in them. There hasn't been a drop of new information to explore so it doesn't take a genius to know that the exact same things that were said in the previous threadz are the exact same things that will be said in this one and any others. SSDD. Many folks on the org ARE still grieving but not everybody is here for compassionate reasons regardless of what's said, Actions trump words. Just stop with the bs, is all I'm saying. You wanna gossip and tell fan fiction.


Some find that the way information has been concealed, at times by Prince himself, may well have proved lethal. Some of the concealing in these situations is undoubtedly due to thoughts of condemnation, by oneself and others. Is it nothing but negative to wish for a world where these things are no longer so unspeakable, and lives might be saved as a result?

Would you approve of an Org where discussion of medical issues and/or artistic temperament was outlawed, but all other topics remained?

Reply #46 posted 01/07/19 12:45pm

onlyforaminute

rednblue said:

 



onlyforaminute said:


rednblue said:

 



I may be completely off base re: what is on your mind, but perhaps romantic interests of famous people also find themselves the targets of a completely irrational level of condemnation.

I'm not saying that lovers/muses/girlfriends/etc. weren't ever naive, or that Prince himself wasn't naive, about how some of these relationships might play out.  But the level of careless talk/claims/condemnation, especially vs. appreciation of what these people brought to one another and to the music, is over the top.



No I don't like being snowed. I've been on this planet long enough to know what I'm looking at. We've been through several of these threads we know exactly what gets said in them. There hasn't been a drop of new information to explore so it doesn't take a genius to know that the exact same things that were said in the previous threadz are the exact same things that will be said in this one and any others. SSDD. Many folks on the org ARE still grieving but not everybody is here for compassionate reasons regardless of what's said, Actions trump words. Just stop with the bs, is all I'm saying. You wanna gossip and tell fan fiction.


Some find that the way information has been concealed, at times by Prince himself, may well have proved lethal.  Some of the concealing in these situations is undoubtedly due to thoughts of condemnation, by oneself and others.  Is it nothing but negative to wish for a world where these things are no longer so unspeakable, and lives might be saved as a result?

Would you approve of an Org where discussion of medical issues and/or artistic temperament was outlawed, but all other topics remained?




You did notice this is the 13th, actually the 14th thread on the exact same thing. All facts available have been discussed, nobody here knows a thing about his health or any facts about his medical history so what is being discussed beyond somebody's fantasy and the power struggle that happens when folks compete over which story gets to make it's way into the narrative. It would be different if there was some concrete info but the reality is, there is very little. And the little there is has been twisted in so many exhausting ways that even those facts get repeated incorrectly.
"The sole purpose of a child's middle name is so he can tell when he's really in trouble.

- Somebody
Reply #47 posted 01/07/19 1:00pm

peggyon

onlyforaminute said:

rednblue said:


Some find that the way information has been concealed, at times by Prince himself, may well have proved lethal. Some of the concealing in these situations is undoubtedly due to thoughts of condemnation, by oneself and others. Is it nothing but negative to wish for a world where these things are no longer so unspeakable, and lives might be saved as a result?

Would you approve of an Org where discussion of medical issues and/or artistic temperament was outlawed, but all other topics remained?

You did notice this is the 13th, actually the 14th thread on the exact same thing. All facts available have been discussed, nobody here knows a thing about his health or any facts about his medical history so what is being discussed beyond somebody's fantasy and the power struggle that happens when folks compete over which story gets to make it's way into the narrative. It would be different if there was some concrete info but the reality is, there is very little. And the little there is has been twisted in so many exhausting ways that even those facts get repeated incorrectly.

Why, why, why or why do you insist on commenting on a thread you find so 'inappropriate'?

Everyone has noticed it. Even June7 has asked that folks who find this thread difficult, steer clear.

Please find another thread more to your liking.

Reply #48 posted 01/07/19 1:10pm

AnnaStesia10

Onlyforaminute - I get what you are saying but maybe some of us want and need to still discuss this. Who cares if this is the 13th thread. There are several threads that are discussing topics from what do you think of 20Ten to was Vanity the love of his life to whatever. And who cares some posters wish to still discuss this. And it is not a veiled attempt to gossip about Prince's medical history or whatever. The exchange of personal stories, thoughts, theories and emotions are beneficial and thought-provoking. If it is not your cup of tea, then why do you come on here to try to change our minds or make us feel like really, you wanna keep talking about this. It is strange to me. Don't post then if you are not getting it. I do not post on threads that are not my thing. I may read them but I respect the fellow posters right to their view points and ideas because that is how I want to be treated.
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #49 posted 01/07/19 1:13pm

Bodhitheblackdog

peggyon said:

onlyforaminute said:

rednblue said: You did notice this is the 13th, actually the 14th thread on the exact same thing. All facts available have been discussed, nobody here knows a thing about his health or any facts about his medical history so what is being discussed beyond somebody's fantasy and the power struggle that happens when folks compete over which story gets to make it's way into the narrative. It would be different if there was some concrete info but the reality is, there is very little. And the little there is has been twisted in so many exhausting ways that even those facts get repeated incorrectly.

Why, why, why or why do you insist on commenting on a thread you find so 'inappropriate'?

Everyone has noticed it. Even June7 has asked that folks who find this thread difficult, steer clear.

Please find another thread more to your liking.

Thanks, peggyon, and AnnaStesia10, my thoughts exactly. Even if no more information about Prince's death were ever to come to light (unlikely IMO), reflections on the manner of his death can only be helpful to Org. members who are struggling with addiction or the addictions of loved ones. I don't think this is a bad thing and is certainly more compassionate, humane and of more lasting value than the endless debates on the Org. as to which Prince album cover was the best or whether physical sales of vinal or CD's are much more valuable than streaming numbers. I would never consider going on those threads and bashing those who are interested in that topic. Why the desperate attempts to stifle conversation over the manner and causes of his death???

[Edited 1/7/19 13:23pm]

Reply #50 posted 01/07/19 1:52pm

onlyforaminute

I haven't bashed one person so stop playing victim. Nobody has to respond to my post anymore than they think I don't have the right to make them. I expressed my opinion there are a variety of folks around and these threads aren't compassionate to them so cut the bs. We've seen the content already, 13 times. Stop putting glitter on a turd calling it jewelry.
"The sole purpose of a child's middle name is so he can tell when he's really in trouble.

- Somebody
Reply #51 posted 01/07/19 2:04pm

June7

Moderator

moderator

onlyforaminute said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

That is the beauty, horror, reality of cyber communication throughout the wired-up world, not just on Prince.Org.

People can be, express, feel whatever they are compelled to share with anyone and everyone (sometimes at their own peril) but, nevertheless, such participation can be liberating, authentic and creative.

To paraphrase June7's comments...those who feel unease about this rampant 'sharing'...should perhaps avoid fan sites, chat rooms, comments sections on news stories, social media, etc.

It's a personal choice to 'go there.'

But that exact same reasoning can be applied to everything. Yet tha rules on this board is there is no rights to free speech here. Everything has limits. Truth. Not everyone knew or adored his son. I doubt he'd want those people all up in his house expressing all their feelings and then telling members of his family they can go to another room where they don't have to hear it. [Edited 1/7/19 9:27am]

I think what you're attempting to do is very transparent. The reality is that I've put my son's death in the spotlight as soon as it happened, because of my postion here for almost twenty years, and because it happened, and I am an admin on this site and the FB page. Nobody wants to hear any shit talk about their child, dead or alive.

The thought that you perceive this to be okay on the org, because it's on the org, and this is 'another room' is ridiculous. No shit talk is okay, and though we try, we don't catch it all, and so many posting on this site have created horrifically offensive threads that have delved into every aspect of his life - from his women to his penis. With your logic in the above post, we should probably shut the site down, out of respect.

Again, and this can't be said enough. If this thread offends you DON'T CLICK ON IT, AND CERTAINLY, DON'T POST ON IT. I may have to start offering a three day vacation from here to those who insist on doing so anyway - and you're right again. Free speech is not guaranteed here at all. We control it. i control it. And that power is utiized.

[PRINCE 4EVER!]

[June7, "ModGod"]
Reply #52 posted 01/07/19 2:32pm

onlyforaminute

June7 said:

 



onlyforaminute said:


Bodhitheblackdog said:

 


That is the beauty, horror, reality of cyber communication throughout the wired-up world, not just on Prince.Org.


 


People can be, express, feel whatever they are compelled to share with anyone and everyone (sometimes at their own peril) but, nevertheless, such participation can be liberating, authentic and creative.


 


To paraphrase June7's comments...those who feel unease about this rampant 'sharing'...should perhaps avoid fan sites, chat rooms, comments sections on news stories, social media, etc.


 


It's a personal choice to 'go there.'



But that exact same reasoning can be applied to everything. Yet tha rules on this board is there is no rights to free speech here. Everything has limits. Truth. Not everyone knew or adored his son. I doubt he'd want those people all up in his house expressing all their feelings and then telling members of his family they can go to another room where they don't have to hear it. [Edited 1/7/19 9:27am]

 


 


I think what you're attempting to do is very transparent. The reality is that I've put my son's death in the spotlight as soon as it happened, because of my postion here for almost twenty years, and because it happened, and I am an admin on this site and the FB page. Nobody wants to hear any shit talk about their child, dead or alive.


 


The thought that you perceive this to be okay on the org, because it's on the org, and this is 'another room' is ridiculous. No shit talk is okay, and though we try, we don't catch it all, and so many posting on this site have created horrifically offensive threads that have delved into every aspect of his life - from his women to his penis. With your logic in the above post, we should probably shut the site down, out of respect. 


 


Again, and this can't be said enough. If this thread offends you DON'T CLICK ON IT, AND CERTAINLY, DON'T POST ON IT. I may have to start offering a three day vacation from here to those who insist on doing so anyway - and you're right again. Free speech is not guaranteed here at all. We control it. i control it. And that power is utiized. 



I can appreciate that. I'm just noting one group of people's feelings keep overriding others, and the others are being told to go sit in a corner somewhere. I've been here from before the very 1st investigation thread so I'm not oblivious to what gets talked about in them and there has been some mean spirited painful things that show up in them. Unlike other threads these are about his death which makes them unique
and these particular ones are coming off as sanctioned and blessed by moderators because you all keep saying you can't catch everything. That is probably the largest complaints about these thread is where they go when the facts run out and since there aren't many facts to talk about then all off-road every single one goes. And other grieving fans just have to put up with it and say nothing.
"The sole purpose of a child's middle name is so he can tell when he's really in trouble.

- Somebody
Reply #53 posted 01/07/19 2:37pm

June7

Moderator

moderator

onlyforaminute said:

June7 said:

I think what you're attempting to do is very transparent. The reality is that I've put my son's death in the spotlight as soon as it happened, because of my postion here for almost twenty years, and because it happened, and I am an admin on this site and the FB page. Nobody wants to hear any shit talk about their child, dead or alive.

The thought that you perceive this to be okay on the org, because it's on the org, and this is 'another room' is ridiculous. No shit talk is okay, and though we try, we don't catch it all, and so many posting on this site have created horrifically offensive threads that have delved into every aspect of his life - from his women to his penis. With your logic in the above post, we should probably shut the site down, out of respect.

Again, and this can't be said enough. If this thread offends you DON'T CLICK ON IT, AND CERTAINLY, DON'T POST ON IT. I may have to start offering a three day vacation from here to those who insist on doing so anyway - and you're right again. Free speech is not guaranteed here at all. We control it. i control it. And that power is utiized.

I can appreciate that. I'm just noting one group of people's feelings keep overriding others, and the others are being told to go sit in a corner somewhere. I've been here from before the very 1st investigation thread so I'm not oblivious to what gets talked about in them and there has been some mean spirited painful things that show up in them. Unlike other threads these are about his death which makes them unique and these particular ones are coming off as sanctioned and blessed by moderators because you all keep saying you can't catch everything. That is probably the largest complaints about these thread is where they go when the facts run out and since there aren't many facts to talk about then all off-road every single one goes. And other grieving fans just have to put up with it and say nothing.

I get what you're saying. I do. The truth is, most Mods wanted these threads done away with. I saw what happened. It is my belief that if you are stifling conversation, any reasonable conversation, you are stifling the one purpose people come here for - to discuss Prince. And, sadly, his death is now part of that discussion. And where else can you go if you want to discuss his death, if not aat a Prince fansite? Doesn't that make sense?

This thread won't be like the others. I'm going to be all over it, which is what I told the other mods when I decided to let it continue.

[PRINCE 4EVER!]

[June7, "ModGod"]
Reply #54 posted 01/07/19 3:02pm

onlyforaminute

June7 said:

 



onlyforaminute said:


June7 said:

 


 


 


I think what you're attempting to do is very transparent. The reality is that I've put my son's death in the spotlight as soon as it happened, because of my postion here for almost twenty years, and because it happened, and I am an admin on this site and the FB page. Nobody wants to hear any shit talk about their child, dead or alive.


 


The thought that you perceive this to be okay on the org, because it's on the org, and this is 'another room' is ridiculous. No shit talk is okay, and though we try, we don't catch it all, and so many posting on this site have created horrifically offensive threads that have delved into every aspect of his life - from his women to his penis. With your logic in the above post, we should probably shut the site down, out of respect. 


 


Again, and this can't be said enough. If this thread offends you DON'T CLICK ON IT, AND CERTAINLY, DON'T POST ON IT. I may have to start offering a three day vacation from here to those who insist on doing so anyway - and you're right again. Free speech is not guaranteed here at all. We control it. i control it. And that power is utiized. 



I can appreciate that. I'm just noting one group of people's feelings keep overriding others, and the others are being told to go sit in a corner somewhere. I've been here from before the very 1st investigation thread so I'm not oblivious to what gets talked about in them and there has been some mean spirited painful things that show up in them. Unlike other threads these are about his death which makes them unique and these particular ones are coming off as sanctioned and blessed by moderators because you all keep saying you can't catch everything. That is probably the largest complaints about these thread is where they go when the facts run out and since there aren't many facts to talk about then all off-road every single one goes. And other grieving fans just have to put up with it and say nothing.

 


I get what you're saying. I do. The truth is, most Mods wanted these threads done away with. I saw what happened. It is my belief that if you are stifling conversation, any reasonable conversation, you are stifling the one purpose people come here for - to discuss Prince. And, sadly, his death is now part of that discussion. And where else can you go if you want to discuss his death, if not aat a Prince fansite? Doesn't that make sense? 


 


This thread won't be like the others. I'm going to be all over it, which is what I told the other mods when I decided to let it continue. 




Well cool. Then there should be no problems.
"The sole purpose of a child's middle name is so he can tell when he's really in trouble.

- Somebody
Reply #55 posted 01/07/19 3:30pm

AnnaStesia10

Right on June7. And well said, this is a Prince fan site and the sad truth is he did die and in a shocking way. And thank you again for opening up this convo it is needed. We discuss everything else and this one main recent event can be thought of as off limits in some peoples eyes is unbelivable. Death is part of life. Funky part of life but true.

I wanted to address your 2nd post on this thread about the loss of Alex. Again, my heart goes out to you and your family and how this has affectrd some of your frienships. You hurt my heart when you mentioned stigma associated with your childs death. It is so sad but can be true. Friends and fam should be there when any type of tragedy occurs and especially in a death of a family member.

I cannot fathom the loss of a child and god bless you for your strength and courage in speaking about this. It is not easy. I have had experiecned loss of family and friends due to a stigma topic such as addiction and I find the same avoidance and "I dont know what to say" vibe still to this day. As you had said before, we all have our ways to deal with grief it is a personal journey. I know people that like to talk about it and people that like to tuck the feelings deep down inside and lock them up. To each is own. I feel you have to look at it like what is the healtiest path to recovery and to move on as best you can for you. For me, it is talking about it and to know that I am not alone with my thoughts and feelings. For my best friend, he likes to keep things inside and in a sense bury them. To each is own.

I appreciate you talking about it and if you feel inclined to speak some more about Alex, I will listen to you and share some stories of my own. I feel all of us on this site have alot of similarities when it comes to love and loss and even in areas of addiction and loss. We are all very much connected even if just via our bad-ass taste for music and our affinity for Prince.

June7 thank you again and to all of you posters out there for your thoughts, investigative work, theories and personal stories. It is not in vain, not gossip and it helps me and others feel we are not alone in this crazy world.

*Edited for typo*
[Edited 1/7/19 15:32pm]
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #56 posted 01/07/19 3:46pm

PennyPurple

Why has Carver County taken down the investigative documents?

Reply #57 posted 01/07/19 4:39pm

AnnaStesia10

I was wondering that too. They have been off the site for a while. I even tried to reach out to the contact via email and was given basically a non-answer and was told to contact some other official. Those doc's are public records and should be available. My only thought is you now have to formally request them to view like a FOIA request now. I am not sure how it works for the state of Minnesota.

I got really busy when I received that email and knew it was a b.s. answer and didnt have time to play the game. I can reach out again and see what is up. If anyone else has any info on this, let us know if you dont mind.

*edited for typos*
[Edited 1/7/19 16:41pm]
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #58 posted 01/07/19 5:29pm

peggyon

AnnaStesia10 said:

I was wondering that too. They have been off the site for a while. I even tried to reach out to the contact via email and was given basically a non-answer and was told to contact some other official. Those doc's are public records and should be available. My only thought is you now have to formally request them to view like a FOIA request now. I am not sure how it works for the state of Minnesota. I got really busy when I received that email and knew it was a b.s. answer and didnt have time to play the game. I can reach out again and see what is up. If anyone else has any info on this, let us know if you dont mind. *edited for typos* [Edited 1/7/19 16:41pm]

Aren't they accessible through the Death Investigation threads?

Reply #59 posted 01/07/19 5:34pm

AnnaStesia10

They could be if posters saved the files on their own computers and then attached. I havent gone back to those threads plus some were taken down due to heated convo's from some posters.
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #60 posted 01/07/19 5:43pm

PennyPurple

I've saved them on my computer but I can not share them for some reason, here is the link to the NY Times files.



https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html

Reply #61 posted 01/07/19 5:52pm

Mumio

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


Well, well, well.

Someone who reappears as soon as this thread is started.



lol

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #62 posted 01/07/19 6:18pm

AnnaStesia10

Thanks PennyPurple I found that link too. To you does it look like the complete investigative files thay were released back in April 2018 minus the photos and videos?

I remember viewing some docs back then but I wasnt ready to read and view it was jusy too real for me. Then I wss thinkin its ok I can always go back and view later. Now info is off the Carver County website which is weird. Thanks Penny.
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #63 posted 01/07/19 6:37pm

Cecy

Everything was moved to a Dropbox link when the Carver County website kept crashing. That info isn't there anymore but the Dropbox link is still accessible with all the original files https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dvygxzyvtqwtvwb/AAC9sn7-Srj227RoySDdXQD4a?dl=0
Reply #64 posted 01/07/19 7:04pm

AnnaStesia10

Thanx Cecy. Much appreciated! 💜
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #65 posted 01/08/19 2:16am

SpamelaAnusorn

rednblue said:

June7 said:

One can never have too many enemas. Keeps shit real. eek


June7, you bestowed the "excellent post" award. Now I will bestow the "excellent comeback" award.

SpamelaAnusorn, you've met your match.

ok I don't know what this means

DANCE 4 ME!!
Reply #66 posted 01/08/19 7:02am

rednblue

SpamelaAnusorn said:

rednblue said:


June7, you bestowed the "excellent post" award. Now I will bestow the "excellent comeback" award.

SpamelaAnusorn, you've met your match.

ok I don't know what this means


When it comes to word play, maybe urine over your head? biggrin

Reply #67 posted 01/08/19 9:28am

Bodhitheblackdog

rednblue said:

SpamelaAnusorn said:

ok I don't know what this means


When it comes to word play, maybe urine over your head? biggrin

OMG, toooo funny...what a way to start the day!

Reply #68 posted 01/08/19 10:38am

ABro

onlyforaminute said:

The same exact stuff over and over again. If that's the energy desired around here, then that's the kind of energy desired around here. But let's not dress it up like something caring and empathetic. Its salacious gossip.

clapping
The character assassination of Prince is endlessly titillating.
Neverending speculation.
Armchair psychology.
Projections.
Feeding.
Juicy.

"So much has been written about me, & people don't know what's right & what's wrong. I'd rather let them stay confused." ~ Prince.
Reply #69 posted 01/08/19 11:10am

rednblue

ABro said:

onlyforaminute said:

The same exact stuff over and over again. If that's the energy desired around here, then that's the kind of energy desired around here. But let's not dress it up like something caring and empathetic. Its salacious gossip.

clapping
The character assassination of Prince is endlessly titillating.
Neverending speculation.
Armchair psychology.
Projections.
Feeding.
Juicy.



Is is character assassination to say someone may have suffered from diabetes? Someone might say it's "none of our business," but you choose the words character assassination?

Have you applied the words "character assassination" to many other Org topics?

If not, I guess this is the standout place on the Org to find:

"Neverending speculation.
Armchair psychology.
Projections.
Feeding.
Juicy."

Interesting assessments people make.

Reply #70 posted 01/08/19 11:20am

Bodhitheblackdog

ABro said:

onlyforaminute said:

The same exact stuff over and over again. If that's the energy desired around here, then that's the kind of energy desired around here. But let's not dress it up like something caring and empathetic. Its salacious gossip.

clapping
The character assassination of Prince is endlessly titillating.
Neverending speculation.
Armchair psychology.
Projections.
Feeding.
Juicy.

"So much has been written about me, & people don't know what's right & what's wrong. I'd rather let them stay confused." ~ Prince.

Good job. You have chosen the perfect Prince quote to illustrate and explain why there has been "neverending speculation" about his death. Perhaps if his death hadn't been so confusingly at odds with the life he led people to think he really led the "armchair psychology" (aka as wisdom born of experience) wouldn't be so prevalent. As to the "character assassination" observations...it's not like he died of natural causes at a ripe old age surrounded by his loving family and friends. We all have to deal with that sad reality and ignoring the horrific circumstances will not make them go away...it's called denial...and denial was a factor in his death.

Reply #71 posted 01/08/19 11:29am

peggyon

ABro said:

clapping
The character assassination of Prince is endlessly titillating.
Neverending speculation.
Armchair psychology.
Projections.
Feeding.
Juicy.

I thought we had this conversation yesterday. June 7 has asked that orgers who find this thread

disturbing should not be posting. SIGH...

[Edited 1/8/19 12:03pm]

Reply #72 posted 01/08/19 12:25pm

PennyPurple

peggyon said:

I thought we had this conversation yesterday. June 7 has asked that orgers who find this thread

disturbing should not be posting. SIGH...

[Edited 1/8/19 12:03pm]

Yeah, I thouht that stuff was suppose to stop??

Reply #73 posted 01/08/19 2:51pm

ABro

Death thread part 14.
First (& last) I've commented on.
15 words triggered "people" who've typed in thousands on 14 Death threads.
Hit dogs holla.

"So much has been written about me, & people don't know what's right & what's wrong. I'd rather let them stay confused." ~ Prince.
Reply #74 posted 01/08/19 4:18pm

rednblue

ABro said:

Death thread part 14.
First (& last) I've commented on.
15 words triggered "people" who've typed in thousands on 14 Death threads.
Hit dogs holla.


Just before your recent appearance, I said, "there's such a long way to go." That's my holla, and you'll hear it again, because there are so many with this attitude. You're far from the first, and you won't be the last.

Amidst the endless topics on the Org, you single out a topic related to P possibly having been in a difficult place with a substance. Many Org topics are discussed repeatedly, and at great length, despite "no new developments." You single out this topic as "character assassination of Prince."

So I could thank you for affirming my statement. However, I don't need your affirmation, as folks with such attitude are everywhere.

Long way to go, indeed.

[Edited 1/8/19 17:24pm]

Reply #75 posted 01/08/19 6:47pm

nelcp777

Carver county could have got dna from Kirk or the record store owner from discarded items to test the pill bottles. The second bag that the dea found containing more pills may clue when or who provided the pills.
Reply #76 posted 01/08/19 6:52pm

Bodhitheblackdog

nelcp777 said:

Carver county could have got dna from Kirk or the record store owner from discarded items to test the pill bottles. The second bag that the dea found containing more pills may clue when or who provided the pills.

From reading the investigation file, I've never gotten the impression that LE was terribly concerned about where he got the deadly pills. I wonder why...

Reply #77 posted 01/08/19 7:30pm

peggyon

nelcp777 said:

Carver county could have got dna from Kirk or the record store owner from discarded items to test the pill bottles. The second bag that the dea found containing more pills may clue when or who provided the pills.

Do you mean the guy who was back-stage in Atlanta? I don't remember, did LE talk with him?

Reply #78 posted 01/08/19 9:29pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

peggyon said:

nelcp777 said:

Carver county could have got dna from Kirk or the record store owner from discarded items to test the pill bottles. The second bag that the dea found containing more pills may clue when or who provided the pills.

Do you mean the guy who was back-stage in Atlanta? I don't remember, did LE talk with him?



I could not find that he was interviewed.

Reply #79 posted 01/09/19 6:19am

nelcp777

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

peggyon said:

Do you mean the guy who was back-stage in Atlanta? I don't remember, did LE talk with him?



I could not find that he was interviewed.

I do not believe that was ever pursued either. Maybe the DEA did, but I am not sure on their investigation.

I just found it interesting that a second bag contained the pills (amongst other areas). But the bags were for travel, so it may help investigators pinpoint a location or contact.

Investigators are supposed to look into each lead and rule out false leads. This strengthens the case if it goes to trial.

If this case was ever to go to trial, it would be a defending lawyers playground (and I do not mean that in any negative way). Perhaps the DA was frustrated with the investigation during his review?

Reply #80 posted 01/09/19 3:55pm

leec1

nelcp777 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



I could not find that he was interviewed.

I do not believe that was ever pursued either. Maybe the DEA did, but I am not sure on their investigation.

I just found it interesting that a second bag contained the pills (amongst other areas). But the bags were for travel, so it may help investigators pinpoint a location or contact.

Investigators are supposed to look into each lead and rule out false leads. This strengthens the case if it goes to trial.

If this case was ever to go to trial, it would be a defending lawyers playground (and I do not mean that in any negative way). Perhaps the DA was frustrated with the investigation during his review?

Below is the link to the KSTP article on the DEA investigation which has the link to the actual DEA investigation file in case anyone needs access to this information.

https://kstp.com/news/new-documents-describe-princes-stay-in-an-illinois-hospital-/5012465/

Reply #81 posted 01/09/19 8:05pm

Rev

June7 said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Thank u June7 for opening up this topic again for anyone on this forum still interested in talking about or reading about it. I for one am interested because for me, I am still not over his death and am in a way haunted by it. It is not a haunt that keeps me up at night or contributes to an unhealthy obsession. A haunt in a sense that I feel, still after the death investigation is over, we all are still not getting the full story. You will have the people here go on and on about leave this alone he deserves his privacy. Let the man rest. But I say since Prince was a beloved public figure who touched the souls of so many and died by the the hands of a major pain med and I am sorry in such an odd way and found in an elevator in his musical oasis, that I do feel his fans and supporters do deserve to know the truth. The truth could bring full closure from any grief and also help people struggling with pain management and possible addiction to get the help they need. This all still does not make any fuckin' sense to me.

Excellent post.

Nobody can, or has the right to, tell anyone for how long they should grieve. I'm coming up to a year in my own son's death (on the 12th), and I'm still beside myself. Talking ... talking ... about his death, him, remembrences, etc., does help.

What people don't understand, or don't think about, is the condition or public understanding of how death affects those immediately surrounding you, or how it actually is felt, or how you're perceived from everytone around you when you lose a loved one, it's expected - we live, we die - it's in the bible. It's life. It's death. Most of us are, and have accepted the fact that this is so. But, when the death is your son, your child, it brings on a whole new sideline of empathy, sympathy and stigma. Yes ... I said stigma.

People are strange.

I have actually lost friends due to his death. Not in a way that they think you suck and have publicly stated that they never want to speak to you again, or anything like that - it's subtle. It's just a disappearance. And, normally I wouldn't have even noticed it if it were someone I was just an aquaintance of. But, this one person is/was a very dear friend, who, when this happened, just ... stopped ... talking ... to ... me.

This one I noticed - and, I called him on it. I called him at home about after a month after Alex died. His wife answered and she seamed slightly surprised I called and was cordial and offered her condolences and stammered out some sympathetic wishes, but seamed kinda nervous. We chatted a bit and I asked to speak to her husband - my 'brother'. That's how close I thought we were.

He got on the phone and my first words to him were, "Are you okay? I mean, are we okay?! Because ... I haven't heard from you in awhile, and I wasn't sure if you heard about Alex (I knew he did, I just threw that in there to offer him an out) and, you know, I don't understand why you didn't reach out?"

He answered, "Oh ... yeah ... I heard about that - and, I am so sorry for your loss ... understand, that it's just too close to my sister's death, I honestly couldn't offer you anything comfort wise, it's all too difficult for me right now".

And, right there, I suddenly wasn't upset with him anymore - just a little hurt that he couldn't have disclosed that to me instead of letting me think we were not as close as I thought we were. This goes back to my first paragraph - and, I don't have the right to tell him how long, or how to grieve.

He apologized, and I know he felt bad, but, so did I for not knowing why he didn't contact me. But, again, I wasn't expected to know.

I wrote a song about Alex and our family (his two siblings and his mother - my ex and myself) called "Easy". After the song talks about our family growing up together, splitting up, etc., it goes into what happened 'in present day' and how I'm dealing/not dealing with this. The last verse, which I believe needs to be brought out more, talked about more, made aware of more is this:

---

"So, please don't stop being my friend

You can stop me on the street again

Say, "How nice it is to see you, man"

Take me for a beer, and then

That might make it easier

Instead of trying to avoid these things - that's not okay

That's not the way

And if you do, that makes it easy

Well, a little bit easy"

---

My point was not to shame him (or those who didn't, or couldn't, talk to me). But, to remind people that being silent hurts even more. The parents who lost a child are shunned. Nobody wants to be reminded in this life that this happens. It's too tragic. So, they instead, subconciously take care of it by not dealing with it at all. And they just stop talking to you. I understand ... I do. But, that's not the way.

This is one of the reasons I believe that his death, Prince's, should not be held silent just to appease those who can't deal with it, or think it's too long after, or etc., etc., etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nobody should put their own beliefs, or restrictions, upon somebody else. Nobody should bitch at another person because their discomfort in dealing with something should be the same yours. You should be able to grieve for as long as you need to, publicly or privately. The choice in posting this thread is that simple for me. And anyone who has discomfort with this discussion should not click on the thread - the topic or subject matter, is clearly listed in the title. If it is not for you, simply skip this thread. No one will miss you or your reason for doing so.

Thank you. And thanks to all of you who have offered your condolences. I can't state how much those little words, or that moment of sympathy means to me.

Tomás - Easy

Good evening June7,

I've never commented on a post of yours in the time I've been here. Sorry for the loss of your son. I have a teenage daughter and don't know how I could handle that. I'm of the age where my parents generation are passing quickly. It's sad.

Prince was in essence my imaginary friend as a teenager. His passing from his addiction was devestating and confusing. This format to communicate and share is valuable.

Thank you for your efforts to keep this Prince thing alive.

Reply #82 posted 01/10/19 12:08pm

nelcp777

leec1 said:

nelcp777 said:

I do not believe that was ever pursued either. Maybe the DEA did, but I am not sure on their investigation.

I just found it interesting that a second bag contained the pills (amongst other areas). But the bags were for travel, so it may help investigators pinpoint a location or contact.

Investigators are supposed to look into each lead and rule out false leads. This strengthens the case if it goes to trial.

If this case was ever to go to trial, it would be a defending lawyers playground (and I do not mean that in any negative way). Perhaps the DA was frustrated with the investigation during his review?

Below is the link to the KSTP article on the DEA investigation which has the link to the actual DEA investigation file in case anyone needs access to this information.

https://kstp.com/news/new-documents-describe-princes-stay-in-an-illinois-hospital-/5012465/

I have looked at the DEA files that were released, but wonder if that is all that is in the files.

I wonder if any agency has spoken with Chaka Kahn. She voluntarily went into rehab for fentanyl after Prince's passing. She may have had the same source.

Reply #83 posted 01/10/19 12:55pm

XxAxX

rednblue said:

SpamelaAnusorn said:

ok I don't know what this means


When it comes to word play, maybe urine over your head? biggrin



nod maybe ole Spamula simply hasn't ma-turd enough to understand yet

Reply #84 posted 01/10/19 2:20pm

leec1

nelcp777 said:

leec1 said:

Below is the link to the KSTP article on the DEA investigation which has the link to the actual DEA investigation file in case anyone needs access to this information.

https://kstp.com/news/new-documents-describe-princes-stay-in-an-illinois-hospital-/5012465/

I have looked at the DEA files that were released, but wonder if that is all that is in the files.

I wonder if any agency has spoken with Chaka Kahn. She voluntarily went into rehab for fentanyl after Prince's passing. She may have had the same source.

I am mostly familiar with Chaka Khan's music. Does she live in Minneapolis? I thought she stopped touring with Prince in the early 2000's.

I have to review the DEA file in greater detail but there are probably redacted parts to their file.

Reply #85 posted 01/10/19 2:36pm

nelcp777

leec1 said:

nelcp777 said:

I have looked at the DEA files that were released, but wonder if that is all that is in the files.

I wonder if any agency has spoken with Chaka Kahn. She voluntarily went into rehab for fentanyl after Prince's passing. She may have had the same source.

I am mostly familiar with Chaka Khan's music. Does she live in Minneapolis? I thought she stopped touring with Prince in the early 2000's.

I have to review the DEA file in greater detail but there are probably redacted parts to their file.

They may not have the same supplier, but it would be something to look into. Maybe she was using pill form. She may have had the same connections without even knowing it.I do know that Prince's passing scared her enough to get help (the announcement said as much).

There was a lot of leads that were just dropped or never followed up on.

I am still confused on the dialud. It was in P's system on the 20th. None were found by Carver County during their initial search. But to put things in perspective, they did miss the 2 bottles of fentanyl in the vitamin c containers. I am not dogging anyway, just stating facts.

I am also stuck on the last part of the doctor visit on the 20th. Per Dr. S, he and Prince spent almost 30 minutes talking about withdrawal from opiattes (paraphrased). I wonder if Prince had a major reality check that he was not getting off this stuff on his own. Which is slightly confirmed of what he told Kirk in the car about not beating it (paraphrased).

I also did not see a shredder in the photos of PP during the initial search. Though it could have been overlooked. I only mention this because of the accusation the Phaedra, Meron and Kirk were shredding things.I wonder if this has ever been validated.

Reply #86 posted 01/10/19 5:17pm

June7

Moderator

moderator

Good evening June7,


 


I've never commented on a post of yours in the time I've been here. Sorry for the loss of your son. I have a teenage daughter and don't know how I could handle that. I'm of the age where my parents generation are passing quickly. It's sad.


 


Prince was in essence my imaginary friend as a teenager. His passing from his addiction was devestating and confusing. This format to communicate and share is valuable.


 


Thank you for your efforts to keep this Prince thing alive.



You’re welcome. I believe it to be an important part of healing - discussion. Thanks for your comments. I appreciate them.
[PRINCE 4EVER!]

[June7, "ModGod"]
Reply #87 posted 01/10/19 6:23pm

PennyPurple

Here is the FB page of Jay Corn the author of The Death of Prince Rogers Nelson. He brings up some interesting things. This is what he said today.

Kiran Sharma told me WhatsApp conversations between Kirk, Phaedra and Meron took place both *before* and after Prince’s death. Kiran classified her interactions with law enforcement as “very frustrating,” adding they “did not release everything I said.” More soon.





https://www.facebook.com/...e_internal



In the below link you can go to the evidence tab and he's got the investigation files seperated into groups. **If you don't want to look at the photo's then don't click on the photo tab.**



https://thedeathofprincer...RpQCSYWlzs

Reply #88 posted 01/10/19 9:50pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

PennyPurple said:

Here is the FB page of Jay Corn the author of The Death of Prince Rogers Nelson. He brings up some interesting things. This is what he said today.

Kiran Sharma told me WhatsApp conversations between Kirk, Phaedra and Meron took place both *before* and after Prince’s death. Kiran classified her interactions with law enforcement as “very frustrating,” adding they “did not release everything I said.” More soon.





https://www.facebook.com/...e_internal



In the below link you can go to the evidence tab and he's got the investigation files seperated into groups. **If you don't want to look at the photo's then don't click on the photo tab.**



https://thedeathofprincer...RpQCSYWlzs



Well then.... Kiran should have told us what she said that was not released.

Lawdy.

Another cryptic associate who wants us to figure out the puzzle on our own while throwing darts to law enforcement.

Reply #89 posted 01/11/19 3:38am

PURPLEIZED3121

Important & quick point of note. Did anyone see Andy Murray's press conferance announcing his pending retirement at the age of 31. This follows hip surgery & the pain is apparently incredibly bad & has left him unable to tie his shoe laces without pain.

This makes you truly appreciate how much pain P must have been in & to continue working, touring, writing, recording was frankly a miracle.

His quality of life [Prince's] would have been truly awful as he got older even after possible withdrawly treatment for dependancy.

Reply #90 posted 01/11/19 4:57am

Dimitri10

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Important & quick point of note. Did anyone see Andy Murray's press conferance announcing his pending retirement at the age of 31. This follows hip surgery & the pain is apparently incredibly bad & has left him unable to tie his shoe laces without pain.

This makes you truly appreciate how much pain P must have been in & to continue working, touring, writing, recording was frankly a miracle.

His quality of life [Prince's] would have been truly awful as he got older even after possible withdrawly treatment for dependancy.

Yes did see this and its very sad, he had more left in him.

On the subject of Prince, he indeed was also an athlete and performing the way he did with the same injury is unbelievable.

I played soccer for many years and all the injuries are causing issues later on now in life, truly frustrating and can relate.

"Prince don't know how many hits he got"
Reply #91 posted 01/11/19 6:13am

leec1

nelcp777 said:

leec1 said:

I am mostly familiar with Chaka Khan's music. Does she live in Minneapolis? I thought she stopped touring with Prince in the early 2000's.

I have to review the DEA file in greater detail but there are probably redacted parts to their file.

They may not have the same supplier, but it would be something to look into. Maybe she was using pill form. She may have had the same connections without even knowing it.I do know that Prince's passing scared her enough to get help (the announcement said as much).

There was a lot of leads that were just dropped or never followed up on.

I am still confused on the dialud. It was in P's system on the 20th. None were found by Carver County during their initial search. But to put things in perspective, they did miss the 2 bottles of fentanyl in the vitamin c containers. I am not dogging anyway, just stating facts.

I am also stuck on the last part of the doctor visit on the 20th. Per Dr. S, he and Prince spent almost 30 minutes talking about withdrawal from opiattes (paraphrased). I wonder if Prince had a major reality check that he was not getting off this stuff on his own. Which is slightly confirmed of what he told Kirk in the car about not beating it (paraphrased).

I also did not see a shredder in the photos of PP during the initial search. Though it could have been overlooked. I only mention this because of the accusation the Phaedra, Meron and Kirk were shredding things.I wonder if this has ever been validated.

I don't want to sound elitist but I have wondered if this investigation had taken place in a major city such as: New York, Los Angeles or Chicago if the outcome would have different. The major cities I mention have large homicide divisions and should be better suited to handle a high profile death.

To my knowledge, the shredding was mentioned by Omar to the police and is thirdhand information which may be why LE chose not to pursue this.

Reply #92 posted 01/11/19 6:43am

PURPLEIZED3121

leec1 said:

nelcp777 said:

They may not have the same supplier, but it would be something to look into. Maybe she was using pill form. She may have had the same connections without even knowing it.I do know that Prince's passing scared her enough to get help (the announcement said as much).

There was a lot of leads that were just dropped or never followed up on.

I am still confused on the dialud. It was in P's system on the 20th. None were found by Carver County during their initial search. But to put things in perspective, they did miss the 2 bottles of fentanyl in the vitamin c containers. I am not dogging anyway, just stating facts.

I am also stuck on the last part of the doctor visit on the 20th. Per Dr. S, he and Prince spent almost 30 minutes talking about withdrawal from opiattes (paraphrased). I wonder if Prince had a major reality check that he was not getting off this stuff on his own. Which is slightly confirmed of what he told Kirk in the car about not beating it (paraphrased).

I also did not see a shredder in the photos of PP during the initial search. Though it could have been overlooked. I only mention this because of the accusation the Phaedra, Meron and Kirk were shredding things.I wonder if this has ever been validated.

I don't want to sound elitist but I have wondered if this investigation had taken place in a major city such as: New York, Los Angeles or Chicago if the outcome would have different. The major cities I mention have large homicide divisions and should be better suited to handle a high profile death.

To my knowledge, the shredding was mentioned by Omar to the police and is thirdhand information which may be why LE chose not to pursue this.

thta's a whole new thread on the recent book released. Totally agree with you...Carver County seemed totally inept & way out of their depth. Can't imagine Meron B, Phaedra or Kirky J being allowed to call the shots as they did. Noted that Meron B is all over insta' now with her modelling pics.

Reply #93 posted 01/11/19 6:47am

PennyPurple

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

Here is the FB page of Jay Corn the author of The Death of Prince Rogers Nelson. He brings up some interesting things. This is what he said today.

Kiran Sharma told me WhatsApp conversations between Kirk, Phaedra and Meron took place both *before* and after Prince’s death. Kiran classified her interactions with law enforcement as “very frustrating,” adding they “did not release everything I said.” More soon.





https://www.facebook.com/...e_internal



In the below link you can go to the evidence tab and he's got the investigation files seperated into groups. **If you don't want to look at the photo's then don't click on the photo tab.**



https://thedeathofprincer...RpQCSYWlzs



Well then.... Kiran should have told us what she said that was not released.

Lawdy.

Another cryptic associate who wants us to figure out the puzzle on our own while throwing darts to law enforcement.

I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran.

Reply #94 posted 01/11/19 9:56am

nelcp777

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Well then.... Kiran should have told us what she said that was not released.

Lawdy.

Another cryptic associate who wants us to figure out the puzzle on our own while throwing darts to law enforcement.

I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran.

Perhaps the releasing of documents is a last ditch effort to get more leads (not that many original were followed up on thoroughly).

I think the criminal case is lost. At this point, the family should pursue a civil case against at a minimum, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron, not for remedies but for deposition purposes alone. That is really the only shot they have to get them to talk.

Reply #95 posted 01/11/19 10:34am

PennyPurple

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran.

Perhaps the releasing of documents is a last ditch effort to get more leads (not that many original were followed up on thoroughly).

I think the criminal case is lost. At this point, the family should pursue a civil case against at a minimum, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron, not for remedies but for deposition purposes alone. That is really the only shot they have to get them to talk.

As much as I wish that it would happen, it's doubtful...they still have at least Kirk on their payroll. I don't know if Phaedra is still working for them or not.

Reply #96 posted 01/11/19 10:41am

peggyon

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

Perhaps the releasing of documents is a last ditch effort to get more leads (not that many original were followed up on thoroughly).

I think the criminal case is lost. At this point, the family should pursue a civil case against at a minimum, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron, not for remedies but for deposition purposes alone. That is really the only shot they have to get them to talk.

As much as I wish that it would happen, it's doubtful...they still have at least Kirk on their payroll. I don't know if Phaedra is still working for them or not.

There 'may be a reason' the family will not press charges against them. I don't think these 3 were the only complicit actors.

Reply #97 posted 01/11/19 10:43am

PennyPurple

peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

As much as I wish that it would happen, it's doubtful...they still have at least Kirk on their payroll. I don't know if Phaedra is still working for them or not.

There 'may be a reason' the family will not press charges against them. I don't think these 3 were the only complicit actors.

That's very true.

Reply #98 posted 01/11/19 11:11am

Bodhitheblackdog

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

There 'may be a reason' the family will not press charges against them. I don't think these 3 were the only complicit actors.

That's very true.

I agree. Look at his fam neutral

Reply #99 posted 01/11/19 11:56am

ThatWhiteDude

PennyPurple said:

Here is the FB page of Jay Corn the author of The Death of Prince Rogers Nelson. He brings up some interesting things. This is what he said today.

Kiran Sharma told me WhatsApp conversations between Kirk, Phaedra and Meron took place both *before* and after Prince’s death. Kiran classified her interactions with law enforcement as “very frustrating,” adding they “did not release everything I said.” More soon.





https://www.facebook.com/...e_internal



In the below link you can go to the evidence tab and he's got the investigation files seperated into groups. **If you don't want to look at the photo's then don't click on the photo tab.**



https://thedeathofprincer...RpQCSYWlzs

So he's still posting on FB but can't answer my questions? Interesting... neutral

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Reply #100 posted 01/11/19 12:46pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

Perhaps the releasing of documents is a last ditch effort to get more leads (not that many original were followed up on thoroughly).

I think the criminal case is lost. At this point, the family should pursue a civil case against at a minimum, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron, not for remedies but for deposition purposes alone. That is really the only shot they have to get them to talk.

As much as I wish that it would happen, it's doubtful...they still have at least Kirk on their payroll. I don't know if Phaedra is still working for them or not.



Phaedra is not working for them.

Rhonda Trotter is working for Bremer. It appears she is working on the Italian lawsuit.

Reply #101 posted 01/11/19 4:00pm

PennyPurple

Yeah, IKR.....he cut and ran.

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Here is the FB page of Jay Corn the author of The Death of Prince Rogers Nelson. He brings up some interesting things. This is what he said today.

Kiran Sharma told me WhatsApp conversations between Kirk, Phaedra and Meron took place both *before* and after Prince’s death. Kiran classified her interactions with law enforcement as “very frustrating,” adding they “did not release everything I said.” More soon.





https://www.facebook.com/...e_internal



In the below link you can go to the evidence tab and he's got the investigation files seperated into groups. **If you don't want to look at the photo's then don't click on the photo tab.**



https://thedeathofprincer...RpQCSYWlzs

So he's still posting on FB but can't answer my questions? Interesting... neutral

Reply #102 posted 01/11/19 9:18pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Well then.... Kiran should have told us what she said that was not released.

Lawdy.

Another cryptic associate who wants us to figure out the puzzle on our own while throwing darts to law enforcement.

I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran.



Sorry Penny, I was skimming too fast...I get what you are saying now.


We have discussed this previously about how the LE written reports of many witnesses differed from the audio interview because the audio contained more info than the written report contained. LE did not release the audio of Kiran. So, there is something within her audio interview the police do not want us to know. Kiran should be more transparent and tell us what they left out of her interview.

Reply #103 posted 01/11/19 9:52pm

peggyon

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran.



Sorry Penny, I was skimming too fast...I get what you are saying now.


We have discussed this previously about how the LE written reports of many witnesses differed from the audio interview because the audio contained more info than the written report contained. LE did not release the audio of Kiran. So, there is something within her audio interview the police do not want us to know. Kiran should be more transparent and tell us what they left out of her interview.

Why is he (author) radio silent now when he was so interested in communicating 2 weeks ago?

And, I agree re: Kiran.

Reply #104 posted 01/11/19 10:37pm

PennyPurple

peggyon said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Sorry Penny, I was skimming too fast...I get what you are saying now.


We have discussed this previously about how the LE written reports of many witnesses differed from the audio interview because the audio contained more info than the written report contained. LE did not release the audio of Kiran. So, there is something within her audio interview the police do not want us to know. Kiran should be more transparent and tell us what they left out of her interview.

Why is he (author) radio silent now when he was so interested in communicating 2 weeks ago?

And, I agree re: Kiran.

From what I gather people were giving him a hard time and he said he wanted his life back...??

Reply #105 posted 01/12/19 4:34am

peggyon

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

Why is he (author) radio silent now when he was so interested in communicating 2 weeks ago?

And, I agree re: Kiran.

From what I gather people were giving him a hard time and he said he wanted his life back...??

Hmmm...

[Edited 1/12/19 5:24am]

Reply #106 posted 01/12/19 2:14pm

Roby78

There are 2 things that I can not explain.

1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.

2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.

Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace.

Reply #107 posted 01/12/19 2:38pm

Mumio

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

Why is he (author) radio silent now when he was so interested in communicating 2 weeks ago?

And, I agree re: Kiran.

From what I gather people were giving him a hard time and he said he wanted his life back...??



Rumors on the grapevine lol lol have it that this happened because during conversation with fans on his Twitter account, he put up a tweet that implied that EF employees may have had something to say about Prince and people should ask them about it. He was gonna be selling his book instore at EF and some fans contacted EF and told them what he said and that they shouldn't be supporting him nor his book. Someone had posted right on EF's FB page about it. Supposedly, EF pulled his book and no longer support him. Right after that, he put up that post on that Twitter acct about leaving it inactive.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #108 posted 01/12/19 2:47pm

PennyPurple

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

From what I gather people were giving him a hard time and he said he wanted his life back...??



Rumors on the grapevine lol lol have it that this happened because during conversation with fans on his Twitter account, he put up a tweet that implied that EF employees may have had something to say about Prince and people should ask them about it. He was gonna be selling his book instore at EF and some fans contacted EF and told them what he said and that they shouldn't be supporting him nor his book. Someone had posted right on EF's FB page about it. Supposedly, EF pulled his book and no longer support him. Right after that, he put up that post on that Twitter acct about leaving it inactive.

Yep. You are correct! It got too hot in the kitchen for him. biggrin So he ran away. lol

Reply #109 posted 01/12/19 6:45pm

peggyon

Roby78 said:

There are 2 things that I can not explain.

1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.

2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.

Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace.

I think you have interesting points about #1 in particular. I was reluctant to bring this up as I thought some orgers would be obstructive and/or have difficulty dealing with the graphic nature of this, but it is my understanding that those who die from an opiate OD, often have what is called a 'foam cone' around the nose/mouth. (Not same as vomit). It is foamy material that originates in the lungs and is caused by pulmonary edema while someone is dying. (Can google, it is disturbing, so be careful.

Also, there is often urine/feces evident from relaxation of sphincters.

This is why I think he may have been cleaned up and redressed and perhaps moved. His rigor was fairly mild. LE could have cleaned him up too before pics.

#2 The turn down of the bed clothes does seem a bit excessive and could have been someone else pulling the covers back.

[Edited 1/12/19 18:54pm]

Reply #110 posted 01/12/19 8:11pm

nelcp777

Dna testing of the clothing would resolve the cleanup and depress issue. But like so many things, that was not done. As for the bed, I always got the vibe Prince did not sleep, but may have laid back in it while on the laptop.



peggyon said:

 



Roby78 said:


There are 2 things that I can not explain.


1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.


2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.


 


Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace. 



 


 


I think you have interesting points about #1 in particular. I was reluctant to bring this up as I thought some orgers would be obstructive and/or have difficulty dealing with the graphic nature of this, but it is my understanding that those who die from an opiate OD, often have what is called a 'foam cone' around the nose/mouth. (Not same as vomit). It is foamy material that originates in  the lungs and is caused by  pulmonary edema while someone is dying. (Can google, it is disturbing, so be careful.


Also, there is often urine/feces evident from relaxation of sphincters.


 


This is why I think he may have been cleaned up and redressed and perhaps moved. His rigor was fairly mild. LE could have cleaned him up  too before pics.


 


#2 The turn down of the bed clothes does seem a bit excessive and could have been someone else pulling the covers back.


 


 


 


 


 


 

[Edited 1/12/19 18:54pm]

Reply #111 posted 01/12/19 8:21pm

muchtoofast

Roby78 said:

There are 2 things that I can not explain.


1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.


2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.


 


Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace. 


Whether you urinate or defecate when you die depends first on how much stuff is in your GI and urinary system when you die. If someone died shortly after urinating and defecating, then no, nothing extra will go out. On the other hand, if you are on the toilet and die right before doing your business, then yes, it probably will come out when you die.
Reply #112 posted 01/12/19 10:13pm

sonshine

I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go.
Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join.
I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
Reply #113 posted 01/13/19 12:31am

June7

Moderator

moderator

sonshine said:

I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go. Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join. I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please.

First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough.

Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline wink ).


When I decided to let this continue, it wasn't for my own grief process - I have other outlets in which to discuss my son's death, though, because of my position here for two decades, it was posted, and the response from the members here were deeply felt by me and my Ex, my son and my daughter. I was in awe of the amount of people who commented on the situatuon, and offered their support. It helped a lot.

I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.

However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue.

I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás

[PRINCE 4EVER!]

[June7, "ModGod"]
Reply #114 posted 01/13/19 12:49pm

Roby78

peggyon said:

Roby78 said:

There are 2 things that I can not explain.

1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.

2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.

Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace.

I think you have interesting points about #1 in particular. I was reluctant to bring this up as I thought some orgers would be obstructive and/or have difficulty dealing with the graphic nature of this, but it is my understanding that those who die from an opiate OD, often have what is called a 'foam cone' around the nose/mouth. (Not same as vomit). It is foamy material that originates in the lungs and is caused by pulmonary edema while someone is dying. (Can google, it is disturbing, so be careful.

Also, there is often urine/feces evident from relaxation of sphincters.

This is why I think he may have been cleaned up and redressed and perhaps moved. His rigor was fairly mild. LE could have cleaned him up too before pics.

#2 The turn down of the bed clothes does seem a bit excessive and could have been someone else pulling the covers back.

[Edited 1/12/19 18:54pm]

That's exactly what I meant, I'm happy to see that someone thinks like me

Reply #115 posted 01/13/19 12:58pm

Roby78

muchtoofast said:

Roby78 said:

There are 2 things that I can not explain.

1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm.

2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.

Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace.

Whether you urinate or defecate when you die depends first on how much stuff is in your GI and urinary system when you die. If someone died shortly after urinating and defecating, then no, nothing extra will go out. On the other hand, if you are on the toilet and die right before doing your business, then yes, it probably will come out when you die.

sorry if I disagree with you but I talked to a coroner (friend of my cousin) who has been doing this job for 30 years, I showed him the pictures and he assured me that those are not the clothes he died with and that the body is always liquid, I also explained that maybe not ate for days and he replied that it does not matter the body creates liquid that then expels in the first 2 hours of death, and does so through the rectum and urine .

if any of you have the chance to hear other specialized voices about it I would be very pleased

Reply #116 posted 01/13/19 1:09pm

PennyPurple

Roby78 said:

sorry if I disagree with you but I talked to a coroner (friend of my cousin) who has been doing this job for 30 years, I showed him the pictures and he assured me that those are not the clothes he died with and that the body is always liquid, I also explained that maybe not ate for days and he replied that it does not matter the body creates liquid that then expels in the first 2 hours of death, and does so through the rectum and urine .

if any of you have the chance to hear other specialized voices about it I would be very pleased

So basically it would be soiled where he was found? The bed sheets did not look soiled, and they didn't look like they were changed because of the pill they found in the sheets.

Reply #117 posted 01/13/19 1:19pm

Roby78

PennyPurple said:

Roby78 said:

sorry if I disagree with you but I talked to a coroner (friend of my cousin) who has been doing this job for 30 years, I showed him the pictures and he assured me that those are not the clothes he died with and that the body is always liquid, I also explained that maybe not ate for days and he replied that it does not matter the body creates liquid that then expels in the first 2 hours of death, and does so through the rectum and urine .

if any of you have the chance to hear other specialized voices about it I would be very pleased

So basically it would be soiled where he was found? The bed sheets did not look soiled, and they didn't look like they were changed because of the pill they found in the sheets.

exactly what the doctor told me

Reply #118 posted 01/13/19 1:59pm

Bodhitheblackdog

PennyPurple said:

Roby78 said:

sorry if I disagree with you but I talked to a coroner (friend of my cousin) who has been doing this job for 30 years, I showed him the pictures and he assured me that those are not the clothes he died with and that the body is always liquid, I also explained that maybe not ate for days and he replied that it does not matter the body creates liquid that then expels in the first 2 hours of death, and does so through the rectum and urine .

if any of you have the chance to hear other specialized voices about it I would be very pleased

So basically it would be soiled where he was found? The bed sheets did not look soiled, and they didn't look like they were changed because of the pill they found in the sheets.

Penny, I recall seeing pics in the original Carver County files of 'soiled' white sheets(yellowish/brown staining) discarded along with Fleet enema bottles in the dumpster out back...there was even talk on previous threads if DNA from those sheets had been tied to PRN. Maybe an armload or two of such material was dumped as part of a general post mortem clean up of the death scene. I think the silence was/is bc people are afraid of being criminally charged with tampering with the scene of a 'crime'...It may take a while but, IMO, someone will eventually talk...

[Edited 1/13/19 14:39pm]

Reply #119 posted 01/13/19 3:52pm

PennyPurple

[Edited 1/13/19 19:27pm]

Reply #120 posted 01/13/19 7:10pm

sonshine

June7 said:

 



sonshine said:


I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go. Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join. I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please.

First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough. 


 


Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline wink ). 


 



When I decided to let this continue, it wasn't for my own grief process - I have other outlets in which to discuss my son's death, though, because of my position here for two decades, it was posted, and the response from the members here were deeply felt by me and my Ex, my son and my daughter. I was in awe of the amount of people who commented on the situatuon, and offered their support. It helped a lot. 


 


 


I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.


 


 


However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue. 


 


 


I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us  with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás


 


I understand. Thanks for your reply. And as promised I will stay off this thread since I can't help but find the subject matter repulsive. Then again I'm only six weeks from the tragic accident that claimed my husband's life so admittedly I'm super sensitive. As they say different strokes for different folks and that applies even to processing grief I suppose. Have a nice day and thank u for all u do here. Continued peace and healing to you and your family.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
Reply #121 posted 01/13/19 7:32pm

rednblue

sonshine said:

June7 said:

First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough.

Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline wink ).


When I decided to let this continue, it wasn't for my own grief process - I have other outlets in which to discuss my son's death, though, because of my position here for two decades, it was posted, and the response from the members here were deeply felt by me and my Ex, my son and my daughter. I was in awe of the amount of people who commented on the situatuon, and offered their support. It helped a lot.

I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.

However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue.

I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás

I understand. Thanks for your reply. And as promised I will stay off this thread since I can't help but find the subject matter repulsive. Then again I'm only six weeks from the tragic accident that claimed my husband's life so admittedly I'm super sensitive. As they say different strokes for different folks and that applies even to processing grief I suppose. Have a nice day and thank u for all u do here. Continued peace and healing to you and your family.


Just heartbreaking. Deep love is so precious. To have it taken away...no words.

The Prince quote at the end of your posts means so much. I love that people see it every time you post. I'm still thinking about an answer to the "Love 4 one another - What Does That Mean To You?" thread. Your "tagline" quote is the first thing I thought of when I saw the question.

Reply #122 posted 01/13/19 8:56pm

peggyon

Might explain why the clothes were on backwards.

There is often a degree of 'messiness' with this type of death, there could have been some clean-up here and there. Might not have gotten on the sheets, though.

I am fine not talking about this further as it can be upsetting.

[Edited 1/13/19 21:02pm]

Reply #123 posted 01/13/19 9:55pm

PennyPurple

peggyon said:

Might explain why the clothes were on backwards.

There is often a degree of 'messiness' with this type of death, there could have been some clean-up here and there. Might not have gotten on the sheets, though.

I am fine not talking about this further as it can be upsetting.

[Edited 1/13/19 21:02pm]

I agree Peggy, in fact I probably won't be keeping up on this thread.

Reply #124 posted 01/13/19 11:01pm

peggyon

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

Might explain why the clothes were on backwards.

There is often a degree of 'messiness' with this type of death, there could have been some clean-up here and there. Might not have gotten on the sheets, though.

I am fine not talking about this further as it can be upsetting.

[Edited 1/13/19 21:02pm]

I agree Peggy, in fact I probably won't be keeping up on this thread.

I will likely remain but I understand

Reply #125 posted 01/14/19 3:02pm

AnnaStesia10

Prince's clothing on backwards socks included always got to me.
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #126 posted 01/14/19 4:23pm

luvsexy4all

was /is the investigation sloppy because its Minn?? a bigger city would ve been more precise??

Reply #127 posted 01/14/19 6:06pm

Bodhitheblackdog

luvsexy4all said:

was /is the investigation sloppy because its Minn?? a bigger city would ve been more precise??

interesting question...and we can't discount the corrosive and unhelpful aspect of 'celebrity'...which distorts and changes everything it touches IMO.

Reply #128 posted 01/14/19 8:41pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

luvsexy4all said:

was /is the investigation sloppy because its Minn?? a bigger city would ve been more precise??



Yes.

Small suburbs usually do not have a lot of complex death investigations.

This is one of the reasons why the DEA was called in to help.

Reply #129 posted 01/15/19 3:32am

MoBettaBliss

June7 said:

sonshine said:

I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go. Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join. I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please.

First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough.

Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline wink ).


When I decided to let this continue, it wasn't for my own grief process - I have other outlets in which to discuss my son's death, though, because of my position here for two decades, it was posted, and the response from the members here were deeply felt by me and my Ex, my son and my daughter. I was in awe of the amount of people who commented on the situatuon, and offered their support. It helped a lot.

I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.

However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue.

I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás



what about respect for Prince?

every single person here knows what a private person he was

but it doesn't seem to rate a mention in all this

from people "needing" to look at his dead body... to prattling on about the intimate details of his death almost 3 years on

honestly... it blows my mind that people ... including yourself... seem to be able justify this excercise

ask yourself ONE question... what would Prince want?

he was addicted to painkillers.... he overdosed

celebrate his life/music etc... but let this shit go... it's fucking gross

Reply #130 posted 01/15/19 4:14pm

luvsexy4all

I need to see his dead body or I would think he might still be alive.

Reply #131 posted 01/15/19 7:00pm

upinclouds

These threads are interesting, others have picked up on things I haven't noticed before.

I think some of the naysayers are genuinely looking out for Prince, and I think there are others that may be "cleaners". guilt much?

I want to see the people who sold & gave him those pills charged. That would be justice for Prince & hopefully an eye opening lesson for most about street pills.

cloud9
Reply #132 posted 01/15/19 9:05pm

sonshine

MoBettaBliss said:

 



June7 said:


 



sonshine said:


I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go. Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join. I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please.

First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough. 


 


Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline wink ). 


 



When I decided to let this continue, it wasn't for my own grief process - I have other outlets in which to discuss my son's death, though, because of my position here for two decades, it was posted, and the response from the members here were deeply felt by me and my Ex, my son and my daughter. I was in awe of the amount of people who commented on the situatuon, and offered their support. It helped a lot. 


 


 


I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.


 


 


However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue. 


 


 


I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us  with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás


 





what about respect for Prince?

every single person here knows what a private person he was 

but it doesn't seem to rate a mention in all this

from people "needing" to look at his dead body... to prattling on about the intimate details of his death almost 3 years on

honestly... it blows my mind that people ... including yourself... seem to be able justify this excercise 

ask yourself ONE question... what would Prince want?

he was addicted to painkillers.... he overdosed

celebrate his life/music etc... but let this shit go... it's fucking gross

 


Honestly, I couldn't agree more. But the ones who don't just come on here and say to stay out of these threads if that's how we feel. So I gave up trying to persuade them to let it go. Some people are twisted that's all I got.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
Reply #133 posted 01/15/19 9:06pm

sonshine

upinclouds said:

These threads are interesting, others have picked up on things I haven't noticed before. 


I think some of the naysayers are genuinely looking out for Prince, and I think there are others that may be "cleaners". guilt much? 


I want to see the people who sold & gave him those pills charged. That would be justice for Prince & hopefully an eye opening lesson for most about street pills. 


Not going to happen. The time when that may have been possible came and went a long time ago. Just sayin'.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
Reply #134 posted 01/16/19 8:36am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

sonshine said:

Honestly, I couldn't agree more. But the ones who don't just come on here and say to stay out of these threads if that's how we feel. So I gave up trying to persuade them to let it go. Some people are twisted that's all I got.



You are the one that cant let go because you continue to come on this thread pretending to be superior by saying we cant let go.

Reply #135 posted 01/16/19 9:04am

darlingnikkkki

Reading these theads is like beating a dead horse, or in this case, a dead Prince. Let him rest in peace already... sad
"I want to be the only one you come for...."
Reply #136 posted 01/16/19 4:52pm

luvsexy4all

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

Reply #137 posted 01/17/19 6:55pm

funksterr

luvsexy4all said:

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

No you don't. The truth is bizarre AF. It's illogical. You won't accept it even when you hear it.

Reply #138 posted 01/17/19 8:10pm

Bodhitheblackdog

funksterr said:

luvsexy4all said:

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

No you don't. The truth is bizarre AF. It's illogical. You won't accept it even when you hear it.

I agree that much of what we do know about Prince's death is bizarre and illogical and I'm sure that many here would be blown away if we knew it all. I think that's why it's so hard to walk away from the unanswered questions and inconsistancies...can't live with the truth...can't live without it.

Reply #139 posted 01/18/19 8:45am

AnnaStesia10

^^^^
True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #140 posted 01/18/19 9:09am

PennyPurple

funksterr said:

luvsexy4all said:

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

No you don't. The truth is bizarre AF. It's illogical. You won't accept it even when you hear it.

I think we are all adult enough to know the truth and to deal with it.

Reply #141 posted 01/18/19 12:11pm

Bodhitheblackdog

AnnaStesia10 said:

^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

WOW...you nailed it!!! yes

Reply #142 posted 01/18/19 1:26pm

leec1

Bodhitheblackdog said:

 



AnnaStesia10 said:


^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

WOW...you nailed it!!! yes


Cosign
Reply #143 posted 01/18/19 4:22pm

Dimitri10

leec1 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

 



AnnaStesia10 said:


^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

WOW...you nailed it!!! yes


Cosign


Agree 100% the whole situation is fked up
"Prince don't know how many hits he got"
Reply #144 posted 01/18/19 10:52pm

Lovejunky

Fascinating ..Just came onto my facebook feed...

WOW...

[Edited 1/18/19 22:58pm]

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #145 posted 01/19/19 7:19am

Bodhitheblackdog

Lovejunky said:

Fascinating ..Just came onto my facebook feed...

WOW...

[Edited 1/18/19 22:58pm]

like I said recently, 'celebrity' changes/pollutes everything it touches....great addition to this thread...so, either Tyka was granted extraordinary considerations bc her brother was so famous OR there are aspects to the HOMOCIDE INVESTIGATION SURROUNDING PRINCE'S DEATH that have yet to see the light of day..(.which makes this thread so unbearably, sadly important) OR Tyka was prepared, just waiting for this 'inevitable' OD OR....

Reply #146 posted 01/19/19 11:14am

luvsexy4all

dont understand why some people say we know the truth ..and cant accept it...bullocks

Reply #147 posted 01/19/19 7:08pm

PurpleDiamonds1

AnnaStesia10 said:

^^^^
True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

Glad you posted this. Agree with you. His death was no accident and IMO was not his doing.
I have been listening to all the Piano and microphone Australia shows....he performed great not like someone in trouble with an out of control drug habit needing rehab. The media lies hurt so much, he deserved better...
Reply #148 posted 01/19/19 8:22pm

ladygirl99

funksterr said:

luvsexy4all said:

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

No you don't. The truth is bizarre AF. It's illogical. You won't accept it even when you hear it.

I knew there is more to his death than meets the eye and I had been saying this for nearly the last three years. Some of the fans are pissed off at us who got the idea what happened and speaking riddles and cryptic but that frustrated should go toward the family and estate.

I understand some people would still say, What actually happened to him isn't the fans business but the problem is fans are the only one are left out of the dark. But damn I want some closure. I fucking hate how his family and the associates and even people out West in the industry know more but selling some bullshit drug junkie narrative not saying the word because of fear of tainted his legacy. I saw in my own eyes on Facebook that some of P's distant relatives said we don't know the whole story and his death wasn't a simple OD. I even read comments off of Yahoo from the people (a hairdresser and musician) who said, There was more to his death than just some opioid overdose. And members of his final entourage were hinting the same. Rumour had it that people on Facebook who lives in Minni got information from Tyka got the real info of his death and she was telling folks it wasn't a simple OD, and she was preparing for the outcome.

I want to know did he took drugs only because of body pain from performing or did he had some underlying disease or both?

There is so much redacted going on with court documents and police ones too I don't know what to trust anymore.

Reply #149 posted 01/19/19 9:44pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

AnnaStesia10 said:
^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.
Glad you posted this. Agree with you. His death was no accident and IMO was not his doing. I have been listening to all the Piano and microphone Australia shows....he performed great not like someone in trouble with an out of control drug habit needing rehab. The media lies hurt so much, he deserved better...



You must have not looked at the photos, which clearly showed P was having serious problems.

[Edited 1/19/19 21:56pm]

Reply #150 posted 01/19/19 9:55pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Lovejunky said:

Fascinating ..Just came onto my facebook feed...

WOW...



I am conflicted with this video.

Jews have to be buried before sundown.


Figure it out. Explain the same logistics.

Most of the responses onYouTube turned it into a murdered thread. P was not murdered.



Also, if you believe this video, do you believe the one in which she claims Capriccio is P's son?





[Edited 1/20/19 8:27am]

Reply #151 posted 01/19/19 10:01pm

rednblue


The woman in the video says "you don't have an accidental homicide," but doesn't comment further on how the law works.

Just checking that people understand that regardless of the counterintuitive sound to the language, and especially in overdose cases like this, a homicide charge doesn't require anybody to have attempted to kill the victim. So in this case, a homicide investigation can happen absent any reason to suspect that anyone may have tried to kill Prince.

[Edited 1/19/19 23:05pm]

Reply #152 posted 01/20/19 3:14am

Dimitri10

2hr window to organise everything....Really!!!!! - well I suppose Prince was known to organise a whole tour at the last minute.

What's a pain in the neck with this whole situation is that a certain few know what went down and have all moved on from it, the rest of us can all keep reading into it and try to make some sort of sense of it, finding this more of a head fkkk now but glued to the net in case something comes out, unbelievable.....

"Prince don't know how many hits he got"
Reply #153 posted 01/20/19 5:39am

ThatWhiteDude

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

AnnaStesia10 said: Glad you posted this. Agree with you. His death was no accident and IMO was not his doing. I have been listening to all the Piano and microphone Australia shows....he performed great not like someone in trouble with an out of control drug habit needing rehab. The media lies hurt so much, he deserved better...



You must have not looked at the photos, which clearly showed P was having serious problems.

[Edited 1/19/19 21:56pm]

Exactly, how can people see these photos and not see that this man had problems? I remember the first three days after he died, when the OD wasn't comfirmed yet. I visited my mother and we were on the couch, watching the news and saw a photo of him and my mother just said: "He looks really sick there." Wich he did, he didn't look healthy, he was very thin.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."


If I upset you don't stress never forget
That God isn't finished with me yet
I feel his hand on my brain
When I write rhymes I go blind and let the Lord do his thing
Reply #154 posted 01/20/19 10:44am

leec1

ThatWhiteDude said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



You must have not looked at the photos, which clearly showed P was having serious problems.

[Edited 1/19/19 21:56pm]

Exactly, how can people see these photos and not see that this man had problems? I remember the first three days after he died, when the OD wasn't comfirmed yet. I visited my mother and we were on the couch, watching the news and saw a photo of him and my mother just said: "He looks really sick there." Wich he did, he didn't look healthy, he was very thin.

I don't agree with this assesment on the reason for how thin Prince was before he died. Many addicts lose weight and become very thin.

I am providing the link below to US Library of Medicine article on the side effects of opiods.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18443635

In addition to the above, there are various aspects of his health mentioned within the investigation but none that mention life threatening illness.


Reply #155 posted 01/20/19 11:09am

PennyPurple

I've seen that video before but I did re-watch it.


She had questions on the time of death. I think the time of death was 10:07am (I'm not sure on the minute). The medical people that were there estimated by the rigor that he had probably died 6 hours before that. She was questioning why the time difference.


Prince's death was unattended, so there had to be medical personnel that could call the time of death when it was confirmed. It's quite normal for this to happen. I'm surprised she didn't know that.



Reply #156 posted 01/20/19 11:27am

stpaisios

darlingnikkkki said:

Reading these theads is like beating a dead horse, or in this case, a dead Prince. Let him rest in peace already... sad


Conspiracy theories are very favorite bait for majority of ppl... it was there as long as we know about this thing called civilization.

Unfortunately, are beloved Prince was addict who gone too far. I read about drug/oploids addiction patients experience, doctors explainations, and i couldnt believe how much symptoms you could trace in Prince life from 2009 onwards.

There is a video of Prince during his shows in France, when he answered questions to journalists. In one question, journalist was aksing Prince what keeps him going as a musican, what pleasure he has in doing music after all this years or something like that, and he answered in criptic manner about not being able to sleep, reality is always better than the dream. Well, someones sleep should not be anyone problem, but its not just about sleep. In later interviews in 2012/13/14 he talks about no need for sleep, eat or even drink water. His monk like life was seen as mysticism (and i really believe Prince was a real mystic in our secular-society, rarest form of real genius), but guess what. All experiences i read on topic about oploids/drug addicts are totally similar. They all have phases not needing to eat, drink and getting sleep. In that state, if you are not getting help, you are going trough vey severe forms of hybrid personality disorders. I dont like psychological turn on Prince, its very dangerous zone, but i think he was always in mild schizoid place. So, we need to accept as fans that side of story. Even Prince acknowledged that he needed help, we are sad it was too late. But who knows why is that over in that way? We dont have answers for everything, especcialy when in comes to humans.
Reply #157 posted 01/20/19 1:57pm

ThatWhiteDude

leec1 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Exactly, how can people see these photos and not see that this man had problems? I remember the first three days after he died, when the OD wasn't comfirmed yet. I visited my mother and we were on the couch, watching the news and saw a photo of him and my mother just said: "He looks really sick there." Wich he did, he didn't look healthy, he was very thin.

I don't agree with this assesment on the reason for how thin Prince was before he died. Many addicts lose weight and become very thin.

I am providing the link below to US Library of Medicine article on the side effects of opiods.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18443635

In addition to the above, there are various aspects of his health mentioned within the investigation but none that mention life threatening illness.


Uhm I didn't say he had some underlying illness or something. I just wrote down what my mother said when she saw the pictures after he died. We didn't even know anything about the OD or that he was addicted. The news channels over here still talked about the flu.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."


If I upset you don't stress never forget
That God isn't finished with me yet
I feel his hand on my brain
When I write rhymes I go blind and let the Lord do his thing
Reply #158 posted 01/20/19 2:21pm

XxAxX

funksterr said:

luvsexy4all said:

if there are parties responsible then God will do a number on them...i just want the truth

No you don't. The truth is bizarre AF. It's illogical. You won't accept it even when you hear it.

eek

Reply #159 posted 01/20/19 2:23pm

Lovejunky

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Lovejunky said:

Fascinating ..Just came onto my facebook feed...

WOW...



I am conflicted with this video.

Jews have to be buried before sundown.


Figure it out. Explain the same logistics.

Most of the responses onYouTube turned it into a murdered thread. P was not murdered.



Also, if you believe this video, do you believe the one in which she claims Capriccio is P's son?





[Edited 1/20/19 8:27am]

I dont know what to believe...

I was captured by her claims that Princes Official Death Certificate is no where to be found..

I then googled...sure enough we can find WHitneys, Michaels Tom Petty,s ..anyone you can name..

you will find their Official DEATH Certificate..

but Prince ?

We can only find a non certified certificate of Death

WHY ????

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #160 posted 01/20/19 3:02pm

leec1

Lovejunky said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



I am conflicted with this video.

Jews have to be buried before sundown.


Figure it out. Explain the same logistics.

Most of the responses onYouTube turned it into a murdered thread. P was not murdered.



Also, if you believe this video, do you believe the one in which she claims Capriccio is P's son?





[Edited 1/20/19 8:27am]

I dont know what to believe...

I was captured by her claims that Princes Official Death Certificate is no where to be found..

I then googled...sure enough we can find WHitneys, Michaels Tom Petty,s ..anyone you can name..

you will find their Official DEATH Certificate..

but Prince ?

We can only find a non certified certificate of Death

WHY ????

Within the Prince death investigation files released by Carver County: Electronic Document 5 files in Miscellaneous documents is a copy of the medical examiner's death certificate.

Reply #161 posted 01/20/19 3:04pm

leec1

ThatWhiteDude said:

leec1 said:

I don't agree with this assesment on the reason for how thin Prince was before he died. Many addicts lose weight and become very thin.

I am providing the link below to US Library of Medicine article on the side effects of opiods.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18443635

In addition to the above, there are various aspects of his health mentioned within the investigation but none that mention life threatening illness.


Uhm I didn't say he had some underlying illness or something. I just wrote down what my mother said when she saw the pictures after he died. We didn't even know anything about the OD or that he was addicted. The news channels over here still talked about the flu.

No you didn't say he had an illness but it seemed to be implied by the statement you indicated your mother made.

Reply #162 posted 01/20/19 3:32pm

PennyPurple

Lovejunky said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



I am conflicted with this video.

Jews have to be buried before sundown.


Figure it out. Explain the same logistics.

Most of the responses onYouTube turned it into a murdered thread. P was not murdered.



Also, if you believe this video, do you believe the one in which she claims Capriccio is P's son?





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I dont know what to believe...

I was captured by her claims that Princes Official Death Certificate is no where to be found..

I then googled...sure enough we can find WHitneys, Michaels Tom Petty,s ..anyone you can name..

you will find their Official DEATH Certificate..

but Prince ?

We can only find a non certified certificate of Death

WHY ????

I believe the family has the official death certificate. I think ISLIJAG had stated before due to MN law it won't be made public for 30 years. (?)

Unless there is a leak of the official DC, I probably won't see it in my lifetime.

Reply #163 posted 01/20/19 3:47pm

Lovejunky

leec1 said:

Lovejunky said:

I dont know what to believe...

I was captured by her claims that Princes Official Death Certificate is no where to be found..

I then googled...sure enough we can find WHitneys, Michaels Tom Petty,s ..anyone you can name..

you will find their Official DEATH Certificate..

but Prince ?

We can only find a non certified certificate of Death

WHY ????

Within the Prince death investigation files released by Carver County: Electronic Document 5 files in Miscellaneous documents is a copy of the medical examiner's death certificate.

NO...that is the NON Certified Record of Death...

Death Certificate of Prince (Photo Credit: Midwest Medical Examinerâs office

Official death certificate should look like this..

Image result for death Certificate Minnesota

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #164 posted 01/20/19 5:36pm

leec1

Lovejunky said:

leec1 said:

Within the Prince death investigation files released by Carver County: Electronic Document 5 files in Miscellaneous documents is a copy of the medical examiner's death certificate.

NO...that is the NON Certified Record of Death...

Death Certificate of Prince (Photo Credit: Midwest Medical Examinerâs office

Official death certificate should look like this..

Image result for death Certificate Minnesota

No, the copy in the death investigation file released does not state at the top Non-Certified Record of Death.

It states: Midwest Medical Examiner's office

Release of Public Data

Mn Statue 13.83 Subd 2

On Page 3 of this thread, it shows you where you can download Document 5 from the cloud.

The Certificate of Death you are showing in this message was given to the family.

Reply #165 posted 01/20/19 9:08pm

PurpleDiamonds1

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

 



PurpleDiamonds1 said:


AnnaStesia10 said:
^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

Glad you posted this. Agree with you. His death was no accident and IMO was not his doing. I have been listening to all the Piano and microphone Australia shows....he performed great not like someone in trouble with an out of control drug habit needing rehab. The media lies hurt so much, he deserved better...



You must have not looked at the photos, which clearly showed P was having serious problems.

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Do believe Prince was not feeling good for a couple of months and notes from the visit to Dr S in April back this up.
He had no idea why he was feeling the way he was...he did not know those pills were being laced with fentanyl. He went to see Dr S for tests to find out what was going on and he never got the results of those tests.
Reply #166 posted 01/21/19 2:58am

Dimitri10

stpaisios said:

darlingnikkkki said:
Reading these theads is like beating a dead horse, or in this case, a dead Prince. Let him rest in peace already... sad
Conspiracy theories are very favorite bait for majority of ppl... it was there as long as we know about this thing called civilization. Unfortunately, are beloved Prince was addict who gone too far. I read about drug/oploids addiction patients experience, doctors explainations, and i couldnt believe how much symptoms you could trace in Prince life from 2009 onwards. There is a video of Prince during his shows in France, when he answered questions to journalists. In one question, journalist was aksing Prince what keeps him going as a musican, what pleasure he has in doing music after all this years or something like that, and he answered in criptic manner about not being able to sleep, reality is always better than the dream. Well, someones sleep should not be anyone problem, but its not just about sleep. In later interviews in 2012/13/14 he talks about no need for sleep, eat or even drink water. His monk like life was seen as mysticism (and i really believe Prince was a real mystic in our secular-society, rarest form of real genius), but guess what. All experiences i read on topic about oploids/drug addicts are totally similar. They all have phases not needing to eat, drink and getting sleep. In that state, if you are not getting help, you are going trough vey severe forms of hybrid personality disorders. I dont like psychological turn on Prince, its very dangerous zone, but i think he was always in mild schizoid place. So, we need to accept as fans that side of story. Even Prince acknowledged that he needed help, we are sad it was too late. But who knows why is that over in that way? We dont have answers for everything, especcialy when in comes to humans.

yes true, it all caught up with him in the end

"Prince don't know how many hits he got"
Reply #167 posted 01/21/19 11:46am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame



BTW I forgot to mention this...the video on the other page where she discusses how could they possibly get the purple boxes together so quickly for the memorial on Saturday...well, Prince gave out those boxes at PP for his Piano and Mic Gala so the boxes had already been prepared.

Reply #168 posted 01/21/19 12:14pm

Mumio

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



BTW I forgot to mention this...the video on the other page where she discusses how could they possibly get the purple boxes together so quickly for the memorial on Saturday...well, Prince gave out those boxes at PP for his Piano and Mic Gala so the boxes had already been prepared.


yeahthat

There's a great deal of propaganda being put out there. This person in this video is a friend of someone in the family. She's getting her own piece of the pie.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod

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