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Reply #30 posted 12/22/18 4:34pm

Militant

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Ha, just made a video about this actually.

Been away for a few days, but will get this thread up on the front page now. Sorry for the delay y'all.

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Reply #31 posted 12/22/18 7:06pm

TheTruth123

Graycap23 said:

Awful.....Prince was no where near this track.


I can see why it was lost.



You really think so? It is definitely a 70s vibe which I completely dig and many songs then were pop-driven simple with a necessary really good female vocalist to carry them. He might have written it to be that simple. By the way I really like your signature.
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Reply #32 posted 12/22/18 9:00pm

EddieC

Thanks for front-paging it, Militant.

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Reply #33 posted 12/23/18 2:29am

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Graycap23 said:

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.

It's interchangeable with half the songs on his first two albums.

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Reply #34 posted 12/23/18 4:42am

iZsaZsa

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Graycap23 said:

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.


Prince didn't write it because you don't like it? You can't see past your nose Sir.

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Reply #35 posted 12/23/18 5:19am

jjam

I really like the track. But it's a generic West Coast sounding track of its time. No compositional traits that I'd particularly associate with Prince, i.e. the chorus has a different melody to the verse wink

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Reply #36 posted 12/23/18 8:11am

Graycap23

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iZsaZsa said:

Graycap23 said:

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.


Prince didn't write it because you don't like it? You can't see past your nose Sir.

I can see past what is or isn't written by Prince.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #37 posted 12/23/18 9:30am

Darshy

Absolutely beautiful song, and the pitter-patter of the rain in the background makes it even more special, just can't stop listening too it. And can't believe I had never heard of Valerie until now; what a voice!
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Reply #38 posted 12/23/18 10:24am

jjam

The rain's there to cover up tape hiss, apparently...

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Reply #39 posted 12/23/18 10:47am

kingricefan

Not a bad song. Definately a product of its time though.

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Reply #40 posted 12/23/18 11:19am

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The song is a real dog. We live in a world where people would rather hate on a masterwork like Cosmic Day.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #41 posted 12/23/18 11:57am

iZsaZsa

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Graycap23 said:



iZsaZsa said:




Graycap23 said:


Awful.....Prince was no where near this track.


I can see why it was lost.




Prince didn't write it because you don't like it? You can't see past your nose Sir.



I can see past what is or isn't written by Prince.


Want to bet money? smile
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Reply #42 posted 12/23/18 1:30pm

EddieC

2freaky4church1 said:

The song is a real dog. We live in a world where people would rather hate on a masterwork like Cosmic Day.

Let's get it released, and then we'll have a chance to really see whether we'll hate on it or not. Based on what I've heard, I'll feel about the same as I do about this one--maybe a little more positive for Cosmic Day.

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Reply #43 posted 12/23/18 2:07pm

IstenSzek

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2freaky4church1 said:

The song is a real dog. We live in a world where people would rather hate on a masterwork like Cosmic Day.


probably the same way people seem to feel about 'coco boys', 'come elektra tuesday',
'adonis & bathsheba', 'emotional pump' etc.

they get excited over having them and then....they forget about them. or at least no
one ever mentions them anymore.

we've been given some absolute stone cold classics the last few years and people here
still talk about that one song they haven't got yet.

as soon as they have it, watch them forget about it and start to drool over another cut
they haven't heard yet.

meanwhile, i'm over here listening to those songs as much as any classic album back
in the day and appreciating them for what they are: stunning.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #44 posted 12/23/18 2:31pm

jjam

I think Cosmic Day is very good. Not a "masterwork".

And this Valerie Carter track is far from a dog.

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Reply #45 posted 12/23/18 5:05pm

Graycap23

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iZsaZsa said:

Graycap23 said:

I can see past what is or isn't written by Prince.

Want to bet money? smile

Nope..........better things to invest my loot in.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #46 posted 12/23/18 5:20pm

iZsaZsa

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Graycap23 said:

iZsaZsa said:

Graycap23 said: Want to bet money? smile

Nope..........better things to invest my loot in.

Ok.

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Reply #47 posted 12/24/18 5:38am

Neversin

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Graycap23 said:

iZsaZsa said:


Prince didn't write it because you don't like it? You can't see past your nose Sir.

I can see past what is or isn't written by Prince.


Apparently you can't...

Neversin.

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“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

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Reply #48 posted 12/26/18 8:15am

Cinny

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Every For You track sung in falsetto is just a demo intended for Valerie Carter.
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Reply #49 posted 12/26/18 11:53am

luvsexy4all

one of those ...if he wasnt involved u'd not give it a listen

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Reply #50 posted 12/27/18 1:26am

bonatoc

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Graycap23 said:

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.


Do like the song then: get.

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It's fascinating. Sunset Studios that early.
He could have been an arranger, a producer only.

This is fucking impressive, like all early Prince demos.
Dude sounds like (at least) a ten-years-in-the-business veteran.
He's just nineteen.

There go the Collect'em All® spoiled kids raising eyebrows.
Let the naysayers kiss his ass, m'OKay?

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #51 posted 12/27/18 10:02am

eugenius

I'm skeptical about how much involvement Prince had with this song, but it has a faint, generic AM radio/'70s feel that he'd revert to at the time so it's not unfounded that he had some influence on the composition... in some way.

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Carter had some involvement with Maurice White and Earth, Wind and Fire, so her circles might have bumped slightly with Prince's world, but has this woman's name ever been uttered with his before the release of this track? It's been almost 40 years and I don't think her name has ever come up in relation to Prince until now, not counting her cover of Crazy You.

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Valerie Carter just died earlier this year so there's no way to verify this track, but it would be nice to see some sort of concrete evidence of Prince's involvement with this song. Did he write it? Did he play on it? Did he inspire it? Maybe he just happened to be observing the session from the booth. If it's a Prince track, it was one of his early throwaways so there has to be a demo/guide track for it.

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[Edited for spelling.]

[Edited 12/27/18 10:06am]

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Reply #52 posted 12/27/18 11:22am

4anothertime

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fairly non-descript BUT always nice to have something new.

Agreed...could be anyone really. It's fine.

I guess heaven really is keeping score...the cosmos are right handed and I am sucker for that right hook.
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Reply #53 posted 12/28/18 12:50am

andrewm7

this is really big news! I hope that more detail emerges biggrin
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Reply #54 posted 12/28/18 1:35am

databank

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Graycap23 said:

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.


Do like the song then: get.

———

It's fascinating. Sunset Studios that early.
He could have been an arranger, a producer only.

This is fucking impressive, like all early Prince demos.
Dude sounds like (at least) a ten-years-in-the-business veteran.
He's just nineteen.

There go the Collect'em All® spoiled kids raising eyebrows.
Let the naysayers kiss his ass, m'OKay?

It's unclear to me what Prince did exactly:

Co-composed, OK.

Seems to have been there during recording so I guess co-arranger in some capacity?

But does he play on it at all? We only have credits for vocals, bass and drums don't we?

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Reply #55 posted 12/28/18 9:53am

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4anothertime said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

fairly non-descript BUT always nice to have something new.

Agreed...could be anyone really. It's fine.


Exactly. It's charming.
Prince working his ballad chops, one song at a time.

Data, good luck to be an historian on this.
It's only an endearing trivia.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #56 posted 12/29/18 6:29pm

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Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version.


By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.



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Reply #57 posted 12/29/18 6:58pm

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Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version.


By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.




That's great.

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Reply #58 posted 12/29/18 11:31pm

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Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version.



By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.




So you’ve heard the demo?
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Reply #59 posted 12/30/18 12:15am

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Pretty song but it is written in an ultra feminine voice so I doubt Prince had anything to do with writing it. And the music is so basic, not Prince’s style at all, it’s bland and indistinguishable from a zillion other songs of that era (I was there).
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