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Thread started 11/30/18 1:01am

RODSERLING

Musicology, 3121, and Planet Earth - [Pre-Order Available Now]

So apparently Sony is going to re release physically post 1993 album.
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They begin with these 3 albums, available on CD and vinyle.
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Best news of the year for me.
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If they really release the 23 albums unavailable next year, Prince will be a huge physical seller.

*****

[See link below, luv4u:]

https://www.bullmoose.com/search?q=minneapolis&upc=190759105412%2C190759105214%2C190759105313&fbclid=IwAR2mqEJ_3_Qwc25VWZM6gpd_g_D64h2C3jmVCHyld2oM65OBe7AbZcAJmE8

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UPDATE:

You can now pre-order the albums from the Prince|Official store

Link: https://store.princeestate.com/store/

Musicology - 3121 - Planet Earth
Pre-order Legacy re-issues: https://store.princeestate.com/dept/legacy-reissues?cp=103229_104317

[luv4u]
Reply #1 posted 11/30/18 1:11am

NorthC

Interesting. I'd love to have the first two on vinyl.
Never try to discourage thinking, for you are sure to succeed.
Bertrand Russell
Reply #2 posted 11/30/18 4:20am

feeluupp

Great news... Wonder what happened with the WB re releases for vinyl... It stopped at SOTT if I remember correctly.

Didn't they announce The Black Album too last year then cancelled that re release.

Reply #3 posted 11/30/18 4:25am

feeluupp

Musicology was released as a promo on vinyl... 3121 there is some debate, if it ever was released as a promo, they said that one "released" was actually a boot.

Reply #4 posted 11/30/18 4:42am

RODSERLING

Musicology and 3121 will be double vinyl releases.
Reply #5 posted 11/30/18 5:01am

darkroman

feeluupp said:

Great news... Wonder what happened with the WB re releases for vinyl... It stopped at SOTT if I remember correctly.

Didn't they announce The Black Album too last year then cancelled that re release.


It was a shame the follow-up releases were cancelled.

From my understanding the cancelled vinyl reissues are;

Black - I don't know what the scheduled date was.
Lovesxy - 31 December 2016.
Graffiti Bridge - 22 November 2016.
Diamonds & Pearls - 22 November 2016.
Symbol - 31 December 2016.
Batman - 31 December 2016.

Hopefully the Sony re-issues will give us vinyl formats we don't have as everyone will already have the CDs.

Time will tell.

wink

Reply #6 posted 11/30/18 6:19am

coldasice

RODSERLING said:

So apparently Sony is going to re release physically post 1993 album.
.
They begin with these 3 albums, available on CD and vinyle.
.
Best news of the year for me.
.
If they really release the 23 albums unavailable next year, Prince will be a huge physical seller.

I wish they would have started with different titles. These 3 won’t have much appeal to the masses
Reply #7 posted 11/30/18 6:43am

PURPLEIZED3121

Meh!

Reply #8 posted 11/30/18 8:35am

skywalker

coldasice said:

RODSERLING said:
So apparently Sony is going to re release physically post 1993 album. . They begin with these 3 albums, available on CD and vinyle. . Best news of the year for me. . If they really release the 23 albums unavailable next year, Prince will be a huge physical seller.
I wish they would have started with different titles. These 3 won’t have much appeal to the masses

Depends on if/how they are promoted. The masses will buy/get into anything if it's sold correctly.

[Edited 11/30/18 8:35am]

"New Power slide...."
Reply #9 posted 11/30/18 8:53am

darkroman

skywalker said:

coldasice said:

RODSERLING said: I wish they would have started with different titles. These 3 won’t have much appeal to the masses

Depends on if/how they are promoted. The masses will buy/get into anything if it's sold correctly.

[Edited 11/30/18 8:35am]


Sony are only about units - so it will have to sell otherwise they will be out.

I feel there is very little post 1993 the masses would be interested in.

Yet we hardcore fans will take what we can get and once more I'll be adding multiple pressings to releases we already have.

wink

Reply #10 posted 11/30/18 8:56am

greyhoodiegirl

Awesome news!
These kind of fill the gap between The Rainbow Children and Lotusflow3r in my vinyl collection collection yes
Would be awesome to see NEWS and 20Ten next....
The Slaughterhouse, The Chocolate Invasion..
Xpectation...C-Note...Newpower Soul...etc!
So many albums waiting to be pressed to wax biggrin
Reply #11 posted 11/30/18 9:02am

greyhoodiegirl

also....source?
Reply #12 posted 11/30/18 9:18am

Romeoblu

They are listed on Amazon UK. The vinyl prices are extortionate.

Musicology and 3121 are £72.00

Planet Earth is £59
[Edited 11/30/18 9:20am]
Reply #13 posted 11/30/18 9:26am

Empress

Why? Have they been remastered?

Reply #14 posted 11/30/18 11:39am

greyhoodiegirl

Romeoblu said:

They are listed on Amazon UK. The vinyl prices are extortionate.

Musicology and 3121 are £72.00

Planet Earth is £59
[Edited 11/30/18 9:20am]


Thanks...hopefully these prices are placeholders and will come down...
Links for anyone interested:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Musicology-VINYL-Prince/dp/B07KM37FPX/ref=ice_ac_b_dpb?ie=UTF8&qid=1543606472&sr=8-1&keywords=prince+musicology+vinyl

https://www.amazon.co.uk/3121-VINYL-Prince/dp/B07KM16SHK/ref=ice_ac_b_dpb?ie=UTF8&qid=1543606506&sr=8-1&keywords=prince+3121+vinyl

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Planet-Earth-VINYL-Prince/dp/B07KLS28LC/ref=ice_ac_b_dpb?ie=UTF8&qid=1543606529&sr=8-1&keywords=prince+planet+earth+vinyl
Reply #15 posted 11/30/18 11:45am

greyhoodiegirl

Also- they all say “Jap Import” in the description..
Reply #16 posted 11/30/18 12:02pm

FullLipsDotNose

I want new music, nothing else!!!

full lips, freckles, and upturned nose
Reply #17 posted 11/30/18 12:24pm

luvsexy4all

these r vinyl only

Reply #18 posted 11/30/18 12:34pm

luvsexy4all

finally released --illegally --Small Club CD............why is amazon selling bootlegs of prince , van halen etc ????

Reply #19 posted 12/01/18 3:07am

RODSERLING

darkroman said:

 



feeluupp said:


Great news... Wonder what happened with the WB re releases for vinyl... It stopped at SOTT if I remember correctly.


 


Didn't they announce The Black Album too last year then cancelled that re release.




It was a shame the follow-up releases were cancelled.

From my understanding the cancelled vinyl reissues are;

Black - I don't know what the scheduled date was.
Lovesxy - 31 December 2016.
Graffiti Bridge - 22 November 2016.
Diamonds & Pearls - 22 November 2016.
Symbol - 31 December 2016.
Batman - 31 December 2016.

Hopefully the Sony re-issues will give us vinyl formats we don't have as everyone will already have the CDs.

Time will tell.

wink  



These albums were sold only during their promotion, then out of print.
It s been more than 10 years, 15 for Musicology in 2019 (!) That these albums are not available anymore in wrecastore, or Amazon at. A normal price.
.
So no, not everybody has it, that s for sure.
Reply #20 posted 12/01/18 3:48am

Moonbeam

Great news! I will look to pick up the vinyls for sure.
Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #21 posted 12/01/18 5:49am

RODSERLING

coldasice said:

RODSERLING said:

So apparently Sony is going to re release physically post 1993 album.
.
They begin with these 3 albums, available on CD and vinyle.
.
Best news of the year for me.
.
If they really release the 23 albums unavailable next year, Prince will be a huge physical seller.

I wish they would have started with different titles. These 3 won’t have much appeal to the masses


No you can t be more wrong : these trilogy are the 3 best selling albums post Warner.
.
It symbolises the Prince commercial come back he made.
Musicology made him the best paid musician of 2004.
3121 is his first album to go directly to #1 in the USa.
.
Planèt Earth was promoted by a 21 nights tour in the UK, it sold more 3.5 millions by the daily mail only. And how can you forget the Superbowl show? The intronisation to the RNR hall of fame?
.
Prince was hype all over again.
.
Contrary to the period where he changed his name...
Reply #22 posted 12/01/18 2:06pm

controversy99

RODSERLING said:

coldasice said:


I wish they would have started with different titles. These 3 won’t have much appeal to the masses


No you can t be more wrong : these trilogy are the 3 best selling albums post Warner.
.
It symbolises the Prince commercial come back he made.
Musicology made him the best paid musician of 2004.
3121 is his first album to go directly to #1 in the USa.
.
Planèt Earth was promoted by a 21 nights tour in the UK, it sold more 3.5 millions by the daily mail only. And how can you forget the Superbowl show? The intronisation to the RNR hall of fame?
.
Prince was hype all over again.
.
Contrary to the period where he changed his name...

I like Musicology a lot (call me weird), 3121 some, and Planet Earth less so.
.
But I can’t see physical re-releases of these selling much, unless they somehow (re)release singles or make some compelling viral videos.
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
Reply #23 posted 12/01/18 3:44pm

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

coldasice said:
I wish they would have started with different titles. These 3 won’t have much appeal to the masses
No you can t be more wrong : these trilogy are the 3 best selling albums post Warner. . It symbolises the Prince commercial come back he made. Musicology made him the best paid musician of 2004. 3121 is his first album to go directly to #1 in the USa. . Planèt Earth was promoted by a 21 nights tour in the UK, it sold more 3.5 millions by the daily mail only. And how can you forget the Superbowl show? The intronisation to the RNR hall of fame? . Prince was hype all over again. . Contrary to the period where he changed his name...

I disagree for Planet Earth... Yes the Daily Mail sold millions, but it didn't count as a "sale" in terms of charts for Planet Earth... Planet Earth sold very low numbers in the U.S. and really had no significant impact worldwide on the charts.

In terms of sales the biggest post WB selling albums are: (Technically The Very Best of Prince is "post WB" but lets not include that one...

1. MUSICOLOGY

2. EMANCIPATION

3. 3121

4. ULTIMATE PRINCE

5. RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC

6. LOTUSFLOW3R

7. PLANET EARTH

Reply #24 posted 12/02/18 11:19pm

RODSERLING

controversy99 said:

RODSERLING said:



No you can t be more wrong : these trilogy are the 3 best selling albums post Warner.
.
It symbolises the Prince commercial come back he made.
Musicology made him the best paid musician of 2004.
3121 is his first album to go directly to #1 in the USa.
.
Planèt Earth was promoted by a 21 nights tour in the UK, it sold more 3.5 millions by the daily mail only. And how can you forget the Superbowl show? The intronisation to the RNR hall of fame?
.
Prince was hype all over again.
.
Contrary to the period where he changed his name...

I like Musicology a lot (call me weird), 3121 some, and Planet Earth less so.
.
But I can’t see physical re-releases of these selling much, unless they somehow (re)release singles or make some compelling viral videos.


You can t blame Sony for re releasing these albums that really need it... Musicology and Call my Name were hits and nobody could buy it for almost 15 years.
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I agree this is way too late, but it s better than nothing. If it doesn't t sell well, blame it on Prince and his estate.
Reply #25 posted 12/02/18 11:28pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

 



RODSERLING said:


coldasice said:
I wish they would have started with different titles. These 3 won’t have much appeal to the masses

No you can t be more wrong : these trilogy are the 3 best selling albums post Warner. . It symbolises the Prince commercial come back he made. Musicology made him the best paid musician of 2004. 3121 is his first album to go directly to #1 in the USa. . Planèt Earth was promoted by a 21 nights tour in the UK, it sold more 3.5 millions by the daily mail only. And how can you forget the Superbowl show? The intronisation to the RNR hall of fame? . Prince was hype all over again. . Contrary to the period where he changed his name...

 


I disagree for Planet Earth... Yes the Daily Mail sold millions, but it didn't count as a "sale" in terms of charts for Planet Earth... Planet Earth sold very low numbers in the U.S. and really had no significant impact worldwide on the charts.


 


In terms of sales the biggest post WB selling albums are: (Technically The Very Best of Prince is "post WB" but lets not include that one...


 


 


 


1. MUSICOLOGY


2. EMANCIPATION


3. 3121


4. ULTIMATE PRINCE


5. RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC


6. LOTUSFLOW3R


7. PLANET EARTH


 



Are you aware that streaming counts in the album charts today ?
They count even two times : for the track, and for an album (which is completely arbitrary when this track is on many albums, such as Purple Rain for instance...)
.
The sales with the daily mail are true sales, in the contrary of the streaming.
.
Don t fall in the trap of the labels, that Prince tried for decades to emancipate us with new and legitimate ways of selling albums, that even inspired the industry.
.
Hell, that was his main message during 25 years.
.
Free albums or 10 cent albums in the music club, were always eligible in the charts, so is the streaming now.
.
Prince was the only artist (with maybe David Bowie) who could free himself enough from the labels and the industry to release a new studio album in the press with such huge numbers.
.
Even for 2010, the copies were sold out within hours, he could have print it 4 times more...That s a great achievement.
[Edited 12/2/18 23:34pm]
Reply #26 posted 12/03/18 3:55am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

I disagree for Planet Earth... Yes the Daily Mail sold millions, but it didn't count as a "sale" in terms of charts for Planet Earth... Planet Earth sold very low numbers in the U.S. and really had no significant impact worldwide on the charts.

In terms of sales the biggest post WB selling albums are: (Technically The Very Best of Prince is "post WB" but lets not include that one...

1. MUSICOLOGY

2. EMANCIPATION

3. 3121

4. ULTIMATE PRINCE

5. RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC

6. LOTUSFLOW3R

7. PLANET EARTH

Are you aware that streaming counts in the album charts today ? They count even two times : for the track, and for an album (which is completely arbitrary when this track is on many albums, such as Purple Rain for instance...) . The sales with the daily mail are true sales, in the contrary of the streaming. . Don t fall in the trap of the labels, that Prince tried for decades to emancipate us with new and legitimate ways of selling albums, that even inspired the industry. . Hell, that was his main message during 25 years. . Free albums or 10 cent albums in the music club, were always eligible in the charts, so is the streaming now. . Prince was the only artist (with maybe David Bowie) who could free himself enough from the labels and the industry to release a new studio album in the press with such huge numbers. . Even for 2010, the copies were sold out within hours, he could have print it 4 times more...That s a great achievement. [Edited 12/2/18 23:34pm]

Still Rod, it wasn't counted as a sale in the charts... So Planet Earth technically was not one of his biggest selling post WB albums.

Go look up the streaming numbers for Planet Earth on spotify... It is not one of his biggest selling post WB albums period.

Reply #27 posted 12/03/18 2:59pm

luvsexy4all

why bother releasing this stuff WITHOUT bonus tracks ?

Reply #28 posted 12/04/18 12:26am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

 



RODSERLING said:


feeluupp said:

 


 


I disagree for Planet Earth... Yes the Daily Mail sold millions, but it didn't count as a "sale" in terms of charts for Planet Earth... Planet Earth sold very low numbers in the U.S. and really had no significant impact worldwide on the charts.


 


In terms of sales the biggest post WB selling albums are: (Technically The Very Best of Prince is "post WB" but lets not include that one...


 


 


 


1. MUSICOLOGY


2. EMANCIPATION


3. 3121


4. ULTIMATE PRINCE


5. RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC


6. LOTUSFLOW3R


7. PLANET EARTH


 



Are you aware that streaming counts in the album charts today ? They count even two times : for the track, and for an album (which is completely arbitrary when this track is on many albums, such as Purple Rain for instance...) . The sales with the daily mail are true sales, in the contrary of the streaming. . Don t fall in the trap of the labels, that Prince tried for decades to emancipate us with new and legitimate ways of selling albums, that even inspired the industry. . Hell, that was his main message during 25 years. . Free albums or 10 cent albums in the music club, were always eligible in the charts, so is the streaming now. . Prince was the only artist (with maybe David Bowie) who could free himself enough from the labels and the industry to release a new studio album in the press with such huge numbers. . Even for 2010, the copies were sold out within hours, he could have print it 4 times more...That s a great achievement. [Edited 12/2/18 23:34pm]

 


 


Still Rod, it wasn't counted as a sale in the charts... So Planet Earth technically was not one of his biggest selling post WB albums.


 


Go look up the streaming numbers for Planet Earth on spotify... It is not one of his biggest selling post WB albums period.



Go look up the sales in the press of other artists...
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If it s so easy, why nobody can t do that besides Prince ?
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Why is that that more than 3 millions people in the UK owns Planet Earth?
.

I m sorry but you didn't t understand the point.
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Music club sales never counted in the charts too. NEVER. But it counted in the final sales.
There was a time (until 1994) where music club sales didn't t even count in the certifications!
These "sales" : we are talking about albums given for free in bundles or at 10 cents...
.
Some Albums, such as Blood On the Dance Floor, sold more than 3/4 of its total sales (!) By being given for free In albums bundles !
.
How ridiculous is that?
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There was also a time where internet physical sales, digital sales, ticket album sales, streaming sales, etc. Didn't t count in the charts.
.
Prince was always ahead of the industry, and helped redefine it.
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He wanted to sue the UK charts in 2007 for planet earth. The facts are that people get out of their houses, paid for the album, and have its physical copies. You can t say that for streaming or even digital sales.
.
Now, more than 10 years later, with the music industry having changed so much, it s almost insulting to not acknowledge these numbers.
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That s the real proof you really didn't t understand what Prince did in the last two decades, and what the music industry is.
[Edited 12/4/18 0:42am]
Reply #29 posted 12/04/18 12:32am

RODSERLING

luvsexy4all said:

why bother releasing this stuff WITHOUT bonus tracks ?



The real question is : why these albums were out of print in the first place.
Why Prince did that everytime? What was the point?
.
Technically and contractually, nothing prevents Sony to load these re releases with B sides, remixes, radio edits, music video, etc.
.
Remember, Musicology had a music video track on it.
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So wait and see...
Reply #30 posted 12/04/18 12:36am

JorisE73

feeluupp said:

Musicology was released as a promo on vinyl... 3121 there is some debate, if it ever was released as a promo, they said that one "released" was actually a boot.


I bought teh vinyl of 3121 back then, but recently I was told it was a pirate and not official sad

Reply #31 posted 12/04/18 1:34am

JorisE73

luvsexy4all said:

why bother releasing this stuff WITHOUT bonus tracks ?


I think mostly to cater to that recent vinyl hipster crowd.

Reply #32 posted 12/04/18 2:03am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Still Rod, it wasn't counted as a sale in the charts... So Planet Earth technically was not one of his biggest selling post WB albums.

Go look up the streaming numbers for Planet Earth on spotify... It is not one of his biggest selling post WB albums period.

Go look up the sales in the press of other artists... . If it s so easy, why nobody can t do that besides Prince ? . Why is that that more than 3 millions people in the UK owns Planet Earth? . I m sorry but you didn't t understand the point. . Music club sales never counted in the charts too. NEVER. But it counted in the final sales. There was a time (until 1994) where music club sales didn't t even count in the certifications! These "sales" : we are talking about albums given for free in bundles or at 10 cents... . Some Albums, such as Blood On the Dance Floor, sold more than 3/4 of its total sales (!) By being given for free In albums bundles ! . How ridiculous is that? . There was also a time where internet physical sales, digital sales, ticket album sales, streaming sales, etc. Didn't t count in the charts. . Prince was always ahead of the industry, and helped redefine it. . He wanted to sue the UK charts in 2007 for planet earth. The facts are that people get out of their houses, paid for the album, and have its physical copies. You can t say that for streaming or even digital sales. . Now, more than 10 years later, with the music industry having changed so much, it s almost insulting to not acknowledge these numbers. . That s the real proof you really didn't t understand what Prince did in the last two decades, and what the music industry is. [Edited 12/4/18 0:42am]

and in the end it still didn't count on the charts... that was the point.

he was ahead of his time with different ways to distribute, we all get it, so stop trying to imply i don't...

what i said was the sales of planet earth via daily mirror didn't count on the charts, simple.

Reply #33 posted 12/04/18 2:48am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

 



RODSERLING said:


feeluupp said:

 


 


 


Still Rod, it wasn't counted as a sale in the charts... So Planet Earth technically was not one of his biggest selling post WB albums.


 


Go look up the streaming numbers for Planet Earth on spotify... It is not one of his biggest selling post WB albums period.



Go look up the sales in the press of other artists... . If it s so easy, why nobody can t do that besides Prince ? . Why is that that more than 3 millions people in the UK owns Planet Earth? . I m sorry but you didn't t understand the point. . Music club sales never counted in the charts too. NEVER. But it counted in the final sales. There was a time (until 1994) where music club sales didn't t even count in the certifications! These "sales" : we are talking about albums given for free in bundles or at 10 cents... . Some Albums, such as Blood On the Dance Floor, sold more than 3/4 of its total sales (!) By being given for free In albums bundles ! . How ridiculous is that? . There was also a time where internet physical sales, digital sales, ticket album sales, streaming sales, etc. Didn't t count in the charts. . Prince was always ahead of the industry, and helped redefine it. . He wanted to sue the UK charts in 2007 for planet earth. The facts are that people get out of their houses, paid for the album, and have its physical copies. You can t say that for streaming or even digital sales. . Now, more than 10 years later, with the music industry having changed so much, it s almost insulting to not acknowledge these numbers. . That s the real proof you really didn't t understand what Prince did in the last two decades, and what the music industry is. [Edited 12/4/18 0:42am]

 


and in the end it still didn't count on the charts... that was the point.


 


he was ahead of his time with different ways to distribute, we all get it, so stop trying to imply i don't...


 


what i said was the sales of planet earth via daily mirror didn't count on the charts, simple. 



No, the point was that you contested that Planet Earth was one of his best selling album post Warner. You can read the conversation again, you already forget ?
.
And like I said, there are many sales that never counted in the charts, the most famous of them are the music club sales. I m sure you won t substract the 3 millions copies of Purple Rain sold in the MC, just because they weren't t counted in the charts.
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I m sure you won t contest the recent recertifications for counting retroactively streaming "equivalent sales", whereas they weren't counted in the charts in the first place.
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That s the absurdity of it all, and I know you are not the only one to discard Planet Earth or Musicology sales, for instance, just because they weren't sold in the usual distribution circuit.
Reply #34 posted 12/04/18 5:01am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

and in the end it still didn't count on the charts... that was the point.

he was ahead of his time with different ways to distribute, we all get it, so stop trying to imply i don't...

what i said was the sales of planet earth via daily mirror didn't count on the charts, simple.

No, the point was that you contested that Planet Earth was one of his best selling album post Warner. You can read the conversation again, you already forget ? . And like I said, there are many sales that never counted in the charts, the most famous of them are the music club sales. I m sure you won t substract the 3 millions copies of Purple Rain sold in the MC, just because they weren't t counted in the charts. . I m sure you won t contest the recent recertifications for counting retroactively streaming "equivalent sales", whereas they weren't counted in the charts in the first place. . That s the absurdity of it all, and I know you are not the only one to discard Planet Earth or Musicology sales, for instance, just because they weren't sold in the usual distribution circuit.

Wow... You might be one of the most sensitive people here on the org... Yet you are the first one to bitch about if you feel someone is "attacking" you... Just look how to talk to people here...

The difference between Musicilogy sales and Planet Earth sales is Musicology sales actually counted, so when you go to the sales figures for Musicology it stands at 2.7 million world wide. After he distributed the way he did Billboard and RIAA had to rewrite the rules....

If you look at the world wide sales for Planet Earth, the daily mail was not included in its total.

Yes he sold 3 million of the Daily Mail with Planet Earth included, but no it did not get counted officially in terms of charts and certifications same as 20TEN which was only released in a few countries in Europe through magazine as well.

So I did conest Planet Earth was one of his best selling albums post WARNER and according to the charts I am correct, since the Daily Mail sales did not count to the charts. That is accurate, did it or did it not count to charts? Planet Earth was an independent one time distribution deal outside of record label and charts, Prince got an upfront sum, and Columbia/ Sony BMG refused to release the album in U.K. because of the deal with the Daily Mail and also he was giving away Planet Earth during the 21 nights in London tour, which the char rules were rewritten after the Musiclogy tour that no album included to the ticket sale price would count as a sale. So actually and technically Planet Earth never entered the charts in U.K. so there for it never counted as a "sale."

Reply #35 posted 12/04/18 5:08am

feeluupp

The main debate here is what is the specific of a "sale" versus a "distribution".

If we are talking about a sale that goes to a chart, no Planet Earth was not his biggest SELLING. IF we are talking about Planet Earth being one of his biggest DISTRIBUTED albums via alternative methods then yes you are correct. But streams now a days count as sales and are counted by charts... But still to this day distributing an album via alternative method magazine, or any other way is not counted as a sale and has no impact on charts, as was rewritten after Musicology.

So in the end Planet Earth was not his highest selling post WB album but his highest distributed album.

Reply #36 posted 12/04/18 5:31am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

 



RODSERLING said:


feeluupp said:

 


 


and in the end it still didn't count on the charts... that was the point.


 


he was ahead of his time with different ways to distribute, we all get it, so stop trying to imply i don't...


 


what i said was the sales of planet earth via daily mirror didn't count on the charts, simple. 



No, the point was that you contested that Planet Earth was one of his best selling album post Warner. You can read the conversation again, you already forget ? . And like I said, there are many sales that never counted in the charts, the most famous of them are the music club sales. I m sure you won t substract the 3 millions copies of Purple Rain sold in the MC, just because they weren't t counted in the charts. . I m sure you won t contest the recent recertifications for counting retroactively streaming "equivalent sales", whereas they weren't counted in the charts in the first place. . That s the absurdity of it all, and I know you are not the only one to discard Planet Earth or Musicology sales, for instance, just because they weren't sold in the usual distribution circuit.

 


Wow... You might be one of the most sensitive people here on the org... Yet you are the first one to bitch about if you feel someone is "attacking" you... Just look how to talk to people here... 


 


 


 


 


 


The difference between Musicilogy sales and Planet Earth sales is Musicology sales actually counted, so when you go to the sales figures for Musicology it stands at 2.7 million world wide. After he distributed the way he did Billboard and RIAA had to rewrite the rules....


 


If you look at the world wide sales for Planet Earth, the daily mail was not included in its total.


 


Yes he sold 3 million of the Daily Mail with Planet Earth included, but no it did not get counted officially in terms of charts and certifications same as 20TEN which was only released in a few countries in Europe through magazine as well.


 


 


So I did conest Planet Earth was one of his best selling albums post WARNER and according to the charts I am correct, since the Daily Mail sales did not count to the charts. That is accurate, did it or did it not count to charts? Planet Earth was an independent one time distribution deal outside of record label and charts, Prince got an upfront sum, and Columbia/ Sony BMG refused to release the album in U.K. because of the deal with the Daily Mail and also he was giving away Planet Earth during the 21 nights in London tour, which the char rules were rewritten after the Musiclogy tour that no album included to the ticket sale price would count as a sale. So actually and technically Planet Earth never entered the charts in U.K. so there for it never counted as a "sale." 


 


 


 



But what "worldwide sales total" are you talking about? There is no such official things like that.
Are you talking about the chartmaster site?
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So what you re saying as a proof that Planet Earth didn't t sell more than 3 million s in UK is because it wasn't t added in the "worldwide total sales" is beyond ridiculous.
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Planet Earth didn't t chart, because the music industry was against it. But MC sales never charted too.
So, the question is why are you counting 3 millions music club sales for Purple Rain in the US total sales, but not counting 3 millions Planet Earth in the UK?
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Seriously, answer it.
Reply #37 posted 12/04/18 5:42am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

The main debate here is what is the specific of a "sale" versus a "distribution".


 


If we are talking about a sale that goes to a chart, no Planet Earth was not his biggest SELLING. IF we are talking about Planet Earth being one of his biggest DISTRIBUTED albums via alternative methods then yes you are correct. But streams now a days count as sales and are counted by charts... But still to this day distributing an album via alternative method magazine, or any other way is not counted as a sale and has no impact on charts, as was rewritten after Musicology.


 


 


So in the end Planet Earth was not his highest selling post WB album but his highest distributed album.



Your differenciation is interesting. I could agree, but some albums are well distributed (Chinese democracy, the album Michael, etc.) But are not selling their shipments in stores.
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So in the end, what matters is that people have a copy of the album in their house, while an album distributed could well be sleeping for years in a record store, or worst...
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So you are saying that the day the music industry will recognize the sales by the press, these 3.5 millions will be added in the total sales? Or am I misunderstand you?
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Reply #38 posted 12/04/18 6:16am

darkroman

feeluupp said:

The main debate here is what is the specific of a "sale" versus a "distribution".

If we are talking about a sale that goes to a chart, no Planet Earth was not his biggest SELLING. IF we are talking about Planet Earth being one of his biggest DISTRIBUTED albums via alternative methods then yes you are correct. But streams now a days count as sales and are counted by charts... But still to this day distributing an album via alternative method magazine, or any other way is not counted as a sale and has no impact on charts, as was rewritten after Musicology.

So in the end Planet Earth was not his highest selling post WB album but his highest distributed album.



Yes exactly. Many album charts and even disc awards are given for units shipped/sold into retail and not for units sold to consumers.

And yes, spot on regards distribution via newspapers, magazine and given free with concert tickets etc.


wink

Reply #39 posted 12/04/18 7:04am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

The main debate here is what is the specific of a "sale" versus a "distribution".

If we are talking about a sale that goes to a chart, no Planet Earth was not his biggest SELLING. IF we are talking about Planet Earth being one of his biggest DISTRIBUTED albums via alternative methods then yes you are correct. But streams now a days count as sales and are counted by charts... But still to this day distributing an album via alternative method magazine, or any other way is not counted as a sale and has no impact on charts, as was rewritten after Musicology.

So in the end Planet Earth was not his highest selling post WB album but his highest distributed album.

Your differenciation is interesting. I could agree, but some albums are well distributed (Chinese democracy, the album Michael, etc.) But are not selling their shipments in stores. . So in the end, what matters is that people have a copy of the album in their house, while an album distributed could well be sleeping for years in a record store, or worst... . So you are saying that the day the music industry will recognize the sales by the press, these 3.5 millions will be added in the total sales? Or am I misunderstand you? .

Rod I totally agree with your point, I'm sorry if I took offense... I just think your wording was wrong about Planet Eart being one of the highest SELLING post WB...

But I understand the point you are trying to make.

I just don't think you can label Planet Earth as a sale, yes I know the revolutionary ways Prince has always been ahead of his time distributing his albums to the masses... But you have to remember, the reason why Planet Earth from Daily Mail doesn't count as a "sale" is because he was the one caused that rule to change when he did that with Musicology... As of right now the music indusrtry will not recognize sales by the press or other distribution methods due to the fact they already changed the rule when Prince included the "sale" of his album in the ticket prices... That is why Musicology sold 2.7 million copies total... Now the music industry made it very clear that they can not count that as a sale anymore, so after 3121 basically Prince just had one off independent deals with different ways of distributing.... I am not argueing that Planet Earth didn't ship 3.7 million in the Daily Mail... I'm just simply saying due to the rules, if Planet Earth were to sell 100 million via Daily Mail, it still wouldn't have counted on the charts... That's not my opinion that's just the rules of the music industry are when it comes to sales and shipments....

So I the only point I had with your post is Planet Earth is not one of the highest SELLING post WB albums, it is the highest DISTRIBUTED album for sure. But in terms of just pure sales it was one of his lowest SELLING post WB albums. That's all. But I understand your points with everything else you wrote.

Reply #40 posted 12/04/18 7:08am

feeluupp

Regardless the news that these are finally being officially released on VINYL is great... I hope they are remastered, and I'm still curios why they would start with these 3... These are not that popular compared to other post WB albums... But if we are talking about SALES alone... I would say the most popular releases to the mass/fans would be MUSICOLOGY, TGE, EMANCIPATION.

Reply #41 posted 12/04/18 10:24pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

Regardless the news that these are finally being officially released on VINYL is great... I hope they are remastered, and I'm still curios why they would start with these 3... These are not that popular compared to other post WB albums... But if we are talking about SALES alone... I would say the most popular releases to the mass/fans would be MUSICOLOGY, TGE, EMANCIPATION.



Thanks for your posts Feeluup biggrin and give me 5.
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Emancipation is too hard to produce : 3 CDs, and probably 8 vinyles...
For TGE, they still don't t have the rights of TMBGITW, or I should say the horrid remix that is on the album.
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These albums weren't even released under the Prince s name !
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And in 2007 Prince made the Superbowl, he was hype again. 2004-2007 is his comeback period. Suddenly he became considered as a legend, a great guitar player, etc
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Whereas the 1995/ 2000 period is very embarrassing with his image, the Symbol name, etc.
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I think the next 3 on march will likely be Rave un2( certified gold and produced by Prince), TRC (well received by critics and a Prince album)and News (a Grammy winner IIRC).
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Rave In2 will also be released but not the same month I think (what a mess it s gonna be in stores !)
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Maybe Emancipation or Crystal Ball will be released without being accompanied by 2 other albums, since they are on 3 CDs.
Reply #42 posted 12/05/18 12:11pm

feeluupp

Interesting Sony Legacy released some images and the vinyls appear will be purple...

Reply #43 posted 12/05/18 12:12pm

feeluupp

New release date Feb 2 2019

Reply #44 posted 12/05/18 12:26pm

RODSERLING

It s really sad they use 2 vinyle for musicology, it will only double the price,and I highly doubt the sound will be better than on the CD.
I hope to be proven wrong, though.
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I m waiting for the 8 vinyles of Emancipation at 100 dollars
Reply #45 posted 12/06/18 3:49am

BartVanHemelen

feeluupp said:

Musicology was released as a promo on vinyl... 3121 there is some debate, if it ever was released as a promo, they said that one "released" was actually a boot.

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http://sleevographia2.free.fr/

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #46 posted 12/06/18 4:24am

JorisE73

BartVanHemelen said:

feeluupp said:

Musicology was released as a promo on vinyl... 3121 there is some debate, if it ever was released as a promo, they said that one "released" was actually a boot.

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http://sleevographia2.free.fr/

eek According to that site I have the legit US vinyl.

Reply #47 posted 12/06/18 4:25am

JorisE73

feeluupp said:

Interesting Sony Legacy released some images and the vinyls appear will be purple...

Would be cool if the vinyl is really purple and the sleeve of Planet Earth is that 3d thing like the CD.

Reply #48 posted 12/06/18 4:53am

feeluupp

BartVanHemelen said:

feeluupp said:

Musicology was released as a promo on vinyl... 3121 there is some debate, if it ever was released as a promo, they said that one "released" was actually a boot.

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http://sleevographia2.free.fr/

No... 3121 if you ask Militant, they said the "promo" from Universal was actually a boot and was just a test presser...

Reply #49 posted 12/06/18 5:30am

KingSausage

I’m glad these don’t have bonus tracks. Unless they were on separate discs, and that would just increase the cost.

The purple vinyl is cool.

I pre-ordered them all on Amazon. Not my favorite Prince albums, but there are good songs on each.

I wonder if the sound will be improved at all vs. the CDs. Will they be mastered for vinyl? Not loud as balls?
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #50 posted 12/06/18 11:32am

tonyspr

We all know or at least hope that the Amazon Uk prices shown as £72 will change.

Well on the JPC.de site they are a much more reasonable 28 to 30 euros. That seems like the likely price.

Reply #51 posted 12/06/18 10:38pm

andrewm7

I am looking forward to these smile

Reply #52 posted 12/07/18 1:21am

darkroman

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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http://sleevographia2.free.fr/

No... 3121 if you ask Militant, they said the "promo" from Universal was actually a boot and was just a test presser...


That's interesting, but was it a 'boot' or a 'test pressing' as it can't be both?

Or was the boot made from a test pressing which would suggest a vinyl does exist if a test pressing exists?

---

Just had another thought...

This Musicology vinyl is genuine, I have this one : https://www.discogs.com/P...se/1338117

But the other pressings and the vinyl versions of 3121 are all so very obviously bootlegs as they all look very cheap and nasty.


wink

[Edited 12/7/18 1:25am]

Reply #53 posted 12/07/18 1:27am

darkroman

KingSausage said:

I’m glad these don’t have bonus tracks. Unless they were on separate discs, and that would just increase the cost. The purple vinyl is cool. I pre-ordered them all on Amazon. Not my favorite Prince albums, but there are good songs on each. I wonder if the sound will be improved at all vs. the CDs. Will they be mastered for vinyl? Not loud as balls?



I totally agree as I was thinking about this.

I would hope they produce a new vinyl master otherwise Sony will lose credibility if they use a CD master which would be weird as it is at the wrong frequency - yet people do this often.

I desperately hope the Prince Estate start to consider quality as quality is an important part of the legacy.

wink

Reply #54 posted 12/07/18 4:12am

206Michelle

FANTASTIC!!!!!
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #55 posted 12/07/18 4:13am

206Michelle

When will Diamonds and Pearls and prince be re-released?
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #56 posted 12/07/18 4:14am

206Michelle

greyhoodiegirl said:

Also- they all say “Jap Import” in the description..

Not a culturally sensitive description.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #57 posted 12/07/18 11:01am

mikeyaddict

Those prices have to be bollocks right? I would love new music, most of all, but getting something I didn’t have on vinyl already would be nice. But come on, I would’ve said £20 woulda been steep, but these prices? Patent. Leather. Bollocks.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #58 posted 12/07/18 1:29pm

MIRvmn

I clicked on the link but they seems to be gone now
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #59 posted 12/08/18 6:12am

2freaky4church1

Why??

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #60 posted 12/08/18 12:25pm

LIBRA

release 2010!!

Everybody's lookin 4 the ladder, it's in the garage
Reply #61 posted 12/09/18 7:59pm

ChocolateBox3121

feeluupp said:

Interesting Sony Legacy released some images and the vinyls appear will be purple...

OMG! They're so beautiful! & COMPLETE -----------!!!!!

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #62 posted 12/10/18 9:14am

feeluupp


The albums are available for pre-order here: https://Prince.lnk.to/prplvnyl

The physical release of Musicology (1CD and 2LPs), 3121 (1CD and 2LPs) and Planet Earth (1CD and 1LP) follow from the historic exclusive agreement inked between The Prince Estate and SME/Legacy in June 2018. In August 2018, 23 highly-collectible Prince catalog titles (many of them hard-to-find or out-of-print) and a newly curated anthology of 37 essential tracks compiled under the auspices of The Prince Estate, titled Prince Anthology: 1995-2010, were made available digitally across all major streaming services and digital service providers.

The album trilogy set for physical release February 8th celebrates a sustained period of renewed creative energy and commercial triumph in Prince's multi-faceted career. These three albums marked Prince's return to the top of the popular mainstream, a position he maintained while simultaneously pushing the envelope and breaking industry norms pertaining to marketing, distribution and live performance. Musicology (2004) resulted in two Grammy Awards – Best Traditional R&B Vocal Performance ("Musicology") and Best R&B Vocal Performance – Male ("Call My Name") – and has been certified RIAA double platinum. Concurrently, Prince pioneered a cutting edge industry-first marketing and distribution strategy for the album, bundling a copy of the record as a gift to every fan who purchased a ticket to his monumental "Musicology Live 2004ever" tour, witnessed by over 1.47 million music lovers worldwide.

Released in 2006, 3121, Prince's 31st studio album, became his first record to debut at #1 on the Billboard 200 and his first #1 album since 1989's Batman. For his follow-up studio album, 2007's Planet Earth, Prince innovated yet another bold marketing and distribution tactic, giving free copies of the album away in the UK via a partnership with the national newspaper The Mail on Sunday. Bucking conventional industry distribution strategy, the innovative partnership fueled Prince's epic 21-night run of sold out shows at London's O2 Arena (20,000 capacity), while back in the US Planet Earth debuted at #3 on the Billboard 200.

Prince's studio trilogy of Musicology, 3121, and Planet Earth presents the artist at a high point in his creative genius during the first decade of the 21st century. The 2004-2007 epoch gave us some of Prince's most iconic and indelible performances, including his unforgettable appearance with Beyoncé at the 2004 Grammys, his show-stopping induction at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame a month later, and his incandescent triumph at the Super Bowl in February 2007.

Complementing the music release campaign, The Prince Estate and Legacy continue efforts to unify the iconic artist's work on all digital services with the ongoing weekly release of Prince's official music videos. Reignited on November 2nd, the weekly video drops covering the 1995-2010 period build on a current available library of over 80 official music videos, with each week's selections drawing from specific catalog albums. This week's batch features the videos from Musicology (including the controversial "Cinnamon Girl" featuring actress Keisha Castle-Hughes), 3121 (including "Te Amo Corazón" directed by Selma Hayak), and Planet Earth (including "Chelsea Rogers" shot at London Fashion Week).

The Prince Estate in Partnership with Legacy Recordings Announce First Wave of Physical Titles (CD/Vinyl) in Definitive Catalog Rerelease Project

Musicology, 3121, and Planet Earth Available for the First Time on Vinyl - Friday, February 8, 2019

Prince Music Videos Continue To See Weekly Release On All Streaming Services


NEW YORK, Dec. 10, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- The Prince Estate and Legacy Recordings, a division of Sony Music Entertainment, are pleased to announce the first round of physical titles set for release as part of the ongoing and definitive Prince catalog project first announced in August. Three essential full-length Prince albums, Musicology, 3121and Planet Earth, will be available on CD and – for the first time ever – on vinyl beginning Friday, February 8, 2019. Each of the vinyl titles will be pressed on highly collectible, limited edition purple vinyl. In addition, the albums will be available in both CD/LP form alongside new exclusive merchandise corresponding to each album era via the Official Prince Store.

Reply #63 posted 12/10/18 9:28am

Rimshottbob

Will be buying the vinyl editions of these, and avoiding the purple vinyl editions like the plague.

Facepalm.

Why do they do this gimmicky shit?

I know, I know, 'the kids' love that gimmicky shit = money.

When it comes to vinyl, for me, black is the new black.

Anyway, looking forward to having these on vinyl, even if they are three of Prince's weakest albums, haha.

Reply #64 posted 12/10/18 9:48am

darkroman

Rimshottbob said:

Will be buying the vinyl editions of these, and avoiding the purple vinyl editions like the plague.

Facepalm.

Why do they do this gimmicky shit?

I know, I know, 'the kids' love that gimmicky shit = money.

When it comes to vinyl, for me, black is the new black.

Anyway, looking forward to having these on vinyl, even if they are three of Prince's weakest albums, haha.

Sadly the Estate have no idea what the collectors want.

The purple vinyl is becoming a very warn out cliche!!!

I hope they will do something nice with the CD as all of us collectors already have the card slipcase, digipak and jewel case versions and the additional lenticular CD version of Planet Earth.


cool

Reply #65 posted 12/10/18 11:14am

Dandroppedadime

just got the estate e-mail pitch and the Musicilgoy t-shirt uses Sign O' the Times font! - just bad!!!

Reply #66 posted 12/10/18 11:18am

skywalker

Dandroppedadime said:

just got the estate e-mail pitch and the Musicilgoy t-shirt uses Sign O' the Times font! - just bad!!!

The Musicology Tour merchandise used the SOTT font as well as the 1999 logo. It may be because of this. Not an error. These were the official Musicology tour shirts.

[Edited 12/10/18 11:21am]

"New Power slide...."
Reply #67 posted 12/10/18 1:03pm

DarkKnight1

Take my money.

(Insert something clever here)
Reply #68 posted 12/10/18 2:30pm

luvsexy4all

will the cd versions be remastered ??

Reply #69 posted 12/10/18 4:42pm

ChocolateBox3121

Rimshottbob said:

Will be buying the vinyl editions of these, and avoiding the purple vinyl editions like the plague.

Facepalm.

Why do they do this gimmicky shit?

I know, I know, 'the kids' love that gimmicky shit = money.

When it comes to vinyl, for me, black is the new black.

Anyway, looking forward to having these on vinyl, even if they are three of Prince's weakest albums, haha.

rolleyes

Speak for yourself! Prince WON TWO GRAMMY'S & A NUMBER ONE DEBUT ALBUM from those so called 'weak albums". Even though they ABSOLUTE WASN'T! mad

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #70 posted 12/10/18 11:11pm

JorisE73

Rimshottbob said:

Will be buying the vinyl editions of these, and avoiding the purple vinyl editions like the plague.

Facepalm.

Why do they do this gimmicky shit?

I know, I know, 'the kids' love that gimmicky shit = money.

When it comes to vinyl, for me, black is the new black.

Anyway, looking forward to having these on vinyl, even if they are three of Prince's weakest albums, haha.

I'll only buy them if they are remastered for vinyl and not the CD master dropped onto the vinyl.

I think 3121 and Planet Earth are strong albums and better then New Power Soul or Rainbow Children, Musicology was ok.

Reply #71 posted 12/11/18 8:59am

djThunderfunk

JorisE73 said:

I'll only buy them if they are remastered for vinyl and not the CD master dropped onto the vinyl.

yeahthat

Don't listen to the newly leaked Louis C.K. bootleg if you're offended by stuff. ANY stuff.
Reply #72 posted 12/11/18 10:26am

pacey68

For those outside the U.S. worrying about the price via Amazon etc... I live in the UK and checked how much it would cost to buy the (discounted) 3 album bundle direct from the official website. Price including standard shipping to UK is £77.64 at today's exchange rate (the £ isn't doing so well) but it still looks a cheaper option than buying them seperately from Amazon, HMV etc. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong wink

Reply #73 posted 12/11/18 10:45am

tonyspr

pacey68 said:

For those outside the U.S. worrying about the price via Amazon etc... I live in the UK and checked how much it would cost to buy the (discounted) 3 album bundle direct from the official website. Price including standard shipping to UK is £77.64 at today's exchange rate (the £ isn't doing so well) but it still looks a cheaper option than buying them seperately from Amazon, HMV etc. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong wink

Yes, it seems cheaper to post to the UK BUT we would probably get stung for customs, VAT at 20% adds roughly £15.

Then we would be charged a handling fee of £8 by Parcel Force as it enters the country to inform us that we need to pay the customs the £15.

Now it is £23 added. Not much to seperate the pair of them pricewise but if they arrive damaged I know it is a lot easier to return them to amazon.

My figures could be a bit off but and the parcel may slip into the country without attracting any additional fees but it isn't worth the trouble in my opinion.

Reply #74 posted 12/11/18 10:58am

ThirdStrike

Are these curretly available for pre-order on Amazon? I can't find them outside of the official estate website...

Reply #75 posted 12/11/18 11:09am

tonyspr

ThirdStrike said:

Are these curretly available for pre-order on Amazon? I can't find them outside of the official estate website...

If you mean amazon UK, check here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Musicology-VINYL-Prince/dp/B07K138YRW/?tag=sdepcw-21

https://www.amazon.co.uk/3121-VINYL-Prince/dp/B07JZB8FWH/?tag=sdepcw-21

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Planet-Earth-VINYL-Prince/dp/B07K17N46R/?tag=sdepcw-21

Reply #76 posted 12/11/18 1:53pm

jaawwnn

Yeah I dunno, I might get them if they get a non coloured vinyl release and they sound good? I suspect they will just be CD's pressed to vinyl. I kind of feel my money might be better spent seeking out some more obscure 80's and 90's vinyl releases I still don't have.
Reply #77 posted 12/11/18 2:57pm

namepeace

jaawwnn said:

Yeah I dunno, I might get them if they get a non coloured vinyl release and they sound good? I suspect they will just be CD's pressed to vinyl. I kind of feel my money might be better spent seeking out some more obscure 80's and 90's vinyl releases I still don't have.


That's sound judgment.

[Edited 12/11/18 14:59pm]

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
Reply #78 posted 12/12/18 6:56am

rasskinn

What great pleasure it is to repeatadly have to wade through the comments of two individuals debating the correct interpretation of sale figures for different albums, thread after thread... yawn...

Tried to order these from the official store, 77 USD shipping charge (to Europe) and only one shipping option, so I cancelled and ordered from Amazon (thereby missing the T shirts I wanted to include with my order). I wrote to the store and asked them to review their shipping policy (and price options). If others agree, if we had a number of such emails, it might spark an interest with them. They're loosing business as is.

Peace and love to all.

Reply #79 posted 12/12/18 7:18am

Rimshottbob

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Rimshottbob said:

Will be buying the vinyl editions of these, and avoiding the purple vinyl editions like the plague.

Facepalm.

Why do they do this gimmicky shit?

I know, I know, 'the kids' love that gimmicky shit = money.

When it comes to vinyl, for me, black is the new black.

Anyway, looking forward to having these on vinyl, even if they are three of Prince's weakest albums, haha.

rolleyes

Speak for yourself! Prince WON TWO GRAMMY'S & A NUMBER ONE DEBUT ALBUM from those so called 'weak albums". Even though they ABSOLUTE WASN'T! mad

Of course I'm speaking for myself. Who else would I be speaking for.

Musicology was not bad... 3121 and Planet Earth verge on plastic garbage, some of the least inspired music of his career - a shadow of his former self....

And you may be the first person, well, ever, to equate Grammys and number ones with musical quality.... they don't have anything to do with each other.

I'll still buy them, haha.

And also, yes, these better be properly mastered for vinyl, not the shitty, brickwalled CD versions... I bought the 'semi-official', 'DJ version' or whatever it was of Musicology on vinyl years back. Sounded like shit. Kicked its arse out the door.

Reply #80 posted 12/12/18 12:21pm

luvsexy4all

add the best of those 3 albums and u get 2 great albums

Reply #81 posted 12/12/18 1:36pm

peedub

djThunderfunk said:

JorisE73 said:

I'll only buy them if they are remastered for vinyl and not the CD master dropped onto the vinyl.

yeahthat


how do we find out? these albums aren't likely to get pressed again. it'd be nice to know before spending the dough...

Reply #82 posted 12/13/18 1:54am

feeluupp

luvsexy4all said:

add the best of those 3 albums and u get 2 great albums

Kind of agree... I think Musicology is a very average album, 3121 is a little bit better in terms of stronger stand out songs... While the "musicianship" is always "good"... Planet Earth is one of the most dull and boring Prince albums, which is sad to consider a "Prince" album, when a Prince album was always sought to have an eclectic energy to it, Planet Earth is so boring...

But if you take the best songs from each... I could only say you would have ONE AVERAGE album... There was nothing spectacular from those 3 albums that you could call it "genius" or even compare to Prince's heyday of song writing and making...

Reply #83 posted 12/13/18 8:09am

djThunderfunk

peedub said:

djThunderfunk said:

yeahthat


how do we find out? these albums aren't likely to get pressed again. it'd be nice to know before spending the dough...


I expect we won't know until they ship and some who purchase (and can tell the difference) give us some reviews. I doubt they'll give us the details ahead of release. Hope I'm wrong.


Don't listen to the newly leaked Louis C.K. bootleg if you're offended by stuff. ANY stuff.
Reply #84 posted 12/13/18 2:01pm

RODSERLING

3121 IS thé last great Prince album. It's maybe the only album since Lovesexy where every track is strong, there is not one filler in it.
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I think it s the last time Prince achieved this degree of excellence in his music, as if he were 25 years old, and not 48.
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It s fun, smart, groovy, musically accessible and eclectic.
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Musicology is good too, Planet Earth is more lazy but is easily listenable too. Far better than most of its 90'release.
[Edited 12/13/18 14:03pm]
Reply #85 posted 12/13/18 2:18pm

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

3121 IS thé last great Prince album. It's maybe the only album since Lovesexy where every track is strong, there is not one filler in it. . I think it s the last time Prince achieved this degree of excellence in his music, as if he were 25 years old, and not 48. . It s fun, smart, groovy, musically accessible and eclectic. . Musicology is good too, Planet Earth is more lazy but is easily listenable too. Far better than most of its 90'release. [Edited 12/13/18 14:03pm]

BURRRRRRRRP

Reply #86 posted 12/13/18 4:24pm

Detroit

darkroman said:

feeluupp said:

Great news... Wonder what happened with the WB re releases for vinyl... It stopped at SOTT if I remember correctly.

Didn't they announce The Black Album too last year then cancelled that re release.


It was a shame the follow-up releases were cancelled.

From my understanding the cancelled vinyl reissues are;

Black - I don't know what the scheduled date was.
Lovesxy - 31 December 2016.
Graffiti Bridge - 22 November 2016.
Diamonds & Pearls - 22 November 2016.
Symbol - 31 December 2016.
Batman - 31 December 2016.

Hopefully the Sony re-issues will give us vinyl formats we don't have as everyone will already have the CDs.

Time will tell.

wink

Yep, I pre-ordereed all of these (except The Black Album) from Amazon back then and then I got an e-mail stating that they had been cancelled.

[Edited 12/13/18 16:25pm]

Check out my tribute to Prince
http://www.soundclick.com...47524&q=hi
Reply #87 posted 12/14/18 7:39am

Rimshottbob

RODSERLING said:

3121 IS thé last great Prince album. It's maybe the only album since Lovesexy where every track is strong, there is not one filler in it. . I think it s the last time Prince achieved this degree of excellence in his music, as if he were 25 years old, and not 48. . It s fun, smart, groovy, musically accessible and eclectic. . Musicology is good too, Planet Earth is more lazy but is easily listenable too. Far better than most of its 90'release. [Edited 12/13/18 14:03pm]

Yes, there is no filler on it.... errrrr,

excepting, of course,

Love

Lolita

Beautiful, Loved And Blessed

The Word

possibly also Fury in this anaemic rendering...

but that's only 1/3 of the album. lol

Reply #88 posted 12/14/18 12:21pm

DarkKnight1

Rimshottbob said:

RODSERLING said:

3121 IS thé last great Prince album. It's maybe the only album since Lovesexy where every track is strong, there is not one filler in it. . I think it s the last time Prince achieved this degree of excellence in his music, as if he were 25 years old, and not 48. . It s fun, smart, groovy, musically accessible and eclectic. . Musicology is good too, Planet Earth is more lazy but is easily listenable too. Far better than most of its 90'release. [Edited 12/13/18 14:03pm]

Yes, there is no filler on it.... errrrr,

excepting, of course,

Love

Lolita

Beautiful, Loved And Blessed

The Word

possibly also Fury in this anaemic rendering...

but that's only 1/3 of the album. lol

Just delete your account and start over. Maybe even shut down your Internet provider.

(Insert something clever here)
Reply #89 posted 12/14/18 1:13pm

8up

feeluupp said:

Musicology was released as a promo on vinyl... 3121 there is some debate, if it ever was released as a promo, they said that one "released" was actually a boot.

Hmm. I have a promo copy of 3121. I hope it's not a boot neutral

Reply #90 posted 12/14/18 1:31pm

Rimshottbob

DarkKnight1 said:

Rimshottbob said:

Yes, there is no filler on it.... errrrr,

excepting, of course,

Love

Lolita

Beautiful, Loved And Blessed

The Word

possibly also Fury in this anaemic rendering...

but that's only 1/3 of the album. lol

Just delete your account and start over. Maybe even shut down your Internet provider.

lol lol lol

Reply #91 posted 12/14/18 3:14pm

ChocolateBox3121

RODSERLING said:

3121 IS thé last great Prince album. It's maybe the only album since Lovesexy where every track is strong, there is not one filler in it. . I think it s the last time Prince achieved this degree of excellence in his music, as if he were 25 years old, and not 48. . It s fun, smart, groovy, musically accessible and eclectic. . Musicology is good too, Planet Earth is more lazy but is easily listenable too. Far better than most of its 90'release. [Edited 12/13/18 14:03pm]

If 3121 would have went like Prince planned it. It would have been & even MORE MEGA HIT! Too bad Universal wouldn't approve "Fury" being used as the video from SNL. Then Oprah turning down what would have been a second appearance to promote the project & new 3121 perfume on her then high rated show The Oprah Winfrey Show. Then of course being served papers from Mani right in the middle of it all. It was ALL bittersweet for Prince

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #92 posted 12/14/18 3:15pm

SoulAlive

feeluupp said:

Interesting Sony Legacy released some images and the vinyls appear will be purple...


 






 











Wow! These look wonderful thumbs up!
Reply #93 posted 12/15/18 12:49am

RODSERLING

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



RODSERLING said:


3121 IS thé last great Prince album. It's maybe the only album since Lovesexy where every track is strong, there is not one filler in it. . I think it s the last time Prince achieved this degree of excellence in his music, as if he were 25 years old, and not 48. . It s fun, smart, groovy, musically accessible and eclectic. . Musicology is good too, Planet Earth is more lazy but is easily listenable too. Far better than most of its 90'release. [Edited 12/13/18 14:03pm]

If 3121 would have went like Prince planned it. It would have been & even MORE MEGA HIT! Too bad Universal wouldn't approve "Fury" being used as the video from SNL. Then Oprah turning down what would have been a second appearance to promote the project & new 3121 perfume on her then high rated show The Oprah Winfrey Show. Then of course being served papers from Mani right in the middle of it all. It was ALL bittersweet for Prince



The TV adds that were supposed to be broadcast during the finale of Pop Idol where Prince performed, was also cancelled.
.
And we could mention the Superbowl where, instead of performing " we will rock you", "the best of you " and "proud Mary", Prince /could should have performed songs from 3121.
.
A 3121 intro chanting the name of the album, following a medley of Fury / the word.
Reply #94 posted 12/15/18 7:01am

peedub

RODSERLING said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



RODSERLING said:


3121 IS thé last great Prince album. It's maybe the only album since Lovesexy where every track is strong, there is not one filler in it. . I think it s the last time Prince achieved this degree of excellence in his music, as if he were 25 years old, and not 48. . It s fun, smart, groovy, musically accessible and eclectic. . Musicology is good too, Planet Earth is more lazy but is easily listenable too. Far better than most of its 90'release. [Edited 12/13/18 14:03pm]

If 3121 would have went like Prince planned it. It would have been & even MORE MEGA HIT! Too bad Universal wouldn't approve "Fury" being used as the video from SNL. Then Oprah turning down what would have been a second appearance to promote the project & new 3121 perfume on her then high rated show The Oprah Winfrey Show. Then of course being served papers from Mani right in the middle of it all. It was ALL bittersweet for Prince



The TV adds that were supposed to be broadcast during the finale of Pop Idol where Prince performed, was also cancelled.
.
And we could mention the Superbowl where, instead of performing " we will rock you", "the best of you " and "proud Mary", Prince /could should have performed songs from 3121.
.
A 3121 intro chanting the name of the album, following a medley of Fury / the word.


That would've been awful and we would be here discussing how misunderstood he is instead of what an iconic performance that was. The super bowl was exactly what its should've been. Something for the masses that showcased his talent.
Reply #95 posted 12/15/18 8:24am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

If 3121 would have went like Prince planned it. It would have been & even MORE MEGA HIT! Too bad Universal wouldn't approve "Fury" being used as the video from SNL. Then Oprah turning down what would have been a second appearance to promote the project & new 3121 perfume on her then high rated show The Oprah Winfrey Show. Then of course being served papers from Mani right in the middle of it all. It was ALL bittersweet for Prince

The TV adds that were supposed to be broadcast during the finale of Pop Idol where Prince performed, was also cancelled. . And we could mention the Superbowl where, instead of performing " we will rock you", "the best of you " and "proud Mary", Prince /could should have performed songs from 3121. . A 3121 intro chanting the name of the album, following a medley of Fury / the word.

Absolutely awful idea, stratgically and artistically... There's a reason, there's an essence he chose the songs he did for the superbowl... Imagine starting off with a 3121 chant... Uh not!! The superbowl is the most watched sporting event in the world, only a few hundred thousand hardcore fans would even know what 3121 is.

Reply #96 posted 12/15/18 8:26am

feeluupp

One of the things that makes Prince great in an artistic sense is he doesn't go by the norm, every superbowl performance the artist promotes his or her own album or tour... Prince didn't, he chose not to, hell he even chose to perform other artists song when the world was watching him... He could've easily did a 3121 or Planet Earth promo, but he didn't, he's Prince!!

Reply #97 posted 12/15/18 2:22pm

IstenSzek

i might have been tempted to rebuy the cd reissues if they'd been released in jewelcases
but from the estate site it looks like they will just be cardboard sleeves again, sadly.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #98 posted 12/16/18 7:37am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

 



RODSERLING said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:

 


If 3121 would have went like Prince planned it. It would have been & even MORE MEGA HIT! Too bad Universal wouldn't approve "Fury" being used as the video from SNL. Then Oprah turning down what would have been a second appearance to promote the project & new 3121 perfume on her then high rated show The Oprah Winfrey Show. Then of course being served papers from Mani right in the middle of it all. It was ALL bittersweet for Prince



The TV adds that were supposed to be broadcast during the finale of Pop Idol where Prince performed, was also cancelled. . And we could mention the Superbowl where, instead of performing " we will rock you", "the best of you " and "proud Mary", Prince /could should have performed songs from 3121. . A 3121 intro chanting the name of the album, following a medley of Fury / the word.

 


Absolutely awful idea, stratgically and artistically... There's a reason, there's an essence he chose the songs he did for the superbowl... Imagine starting off with a 3121 chant... Uh not!! The superbowl is the most watched sporting event in the world, only a few hundred thousand hardcore fans would even know what 3121 is.



That s what every other artists does : they promote songs from their current albums ! It could have helped the album 3121 if he did it. (But wasn t it already out of print ?lol). I like the performance as it is, but was puzzled and pissed of at the time watching him neglecting his album so much.
.
Reply #99 posted 12/16/18 8:31am

feeluupp

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Absolutely awful idea, stratgically and artistically... There's a reason, there's an essence he chose the songs he did for the superbowl... Imagine starting off with a 3121 chant... Uh not!! The superbowl is the most watched sporting event in the world, only a few hundred thousand hardcore fans would even know what 3121 is.

That s what every other artists does : they promote songs from their current albums ! It could have helped the album 3121 if he did it. (But wasn t it already out of print ?lol). I like the performance as it is, but was puzzled and pissed of at the time watching him neglecting his album so much. .

Prince is not every other artist..

Reply #100 posted 12/16/18 12:49pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

 



RODSERLING said:


feeluupp said:

 


 


Absolutely awful idea, stratgically and artistically... There's a reason, there's an essence he chose the songs he did for the superbowl... Imagine starting off with a 3121 chant... Uh not!! The superbowl is the most watched sporting event in the world, only a few hundred thousand hardcore fans would even know what 3121 is.



That s what every other artists does : they promote songs from their current albums ! It could have helped the album 3121 if he did it. (But wasn t it already out of print ?lol). I like the performance as it is, but was puzzled and pissed of at the time watching him neglecting his album so much. .

 


Prince is not every other artist..



But 3121 Was a great album that deserved a Superbowl exposure
Reply #101 posted 12/16/18 12:55pm

RODSERLING

The real event of these re releases is that Planet Earth will have a booklet in the CD version !
Reply #102 posted 12/17/18 9:51pm

Kobe

Sony (Legacy) or Columbia (Sony owns them) were behind the release of Musicology and Planet Earth with distribution, how the hell 3121 (originally released by Universal) ended up on Sony Legacy's re-releases?

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #103 posted 12/17/18 10:54pm

RODSERLING

The real question is : why every releases after 1993 were out of print after six months?
.
Why the major companies couldn't reprint them ? Was there a clause in the contracts forbidding them to do so?
Was there even a contract, and if there wasn t how was it possible to stop the printing?
Why Prince wanted his albums to be out of print, even in the digital form?
Some albums such as Musicology would have been good catalogue sellers.
Reply #104 posted 12/17/18 11:09pm

ChocolateBox3121

RODSERLING said:

The real question is : why every releases after 1993 were out of print after six months? . Why the major companies couldn't reprint them ? Was there a clause in the contracts forbidding them to do so? Was there even a contract, and if there wasn t how was it possible to stop the printing? Why Prince wanted his albums to be out of print, even in the digital form? Some albums such as Musicology would have been good catalogue sellers.

Musicology A LOT was given to concert attendees ALL over the world.....

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #105 posted 12/18/18 12:44am

JorisE73

ChocolateBox3121 said:

RODSERLING said:

The real question is : why every releases after 1993 were out of print after six months? . Why the major companies couldn't reprint them ? Was there a clause in the contracts forbidding them to do so? Was there even a contract, and if there wasn t how was it possible to stop the printing? Why Prince wanted his albums to be out of print, even in the digital form? Some albums such as Musicology would have been good catalogue sellers.

Musicology A LOT was given to concert attendees ALL over the world.....


Musiclolgy never reached Europe so we had to buy that album.

Reply #106 posted 12/18/18 2:38am

RODSERLING

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



RODSERLING said:


The real question is : why every releases after 1993 were out of print after six months? . Why the major companies couldn't reprint them ? Was there a clause in the contracts forbidding them to do so? Was there even a contract, and if there wasn t how was it possible to stop the printing? Why Prince wanted his albums to be out of print, even in the digital form? Some albums such as Musicology would have been good catalogue sellers.

Musicology A LOT was given to concert attendees ALL over the world.....



It wasn't t given at all, it was included in the ticket price.
Reply #107 posted 12/18/18 3:07am

leecaldon

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Absolutely awful idea, stratgically and artistically... There's a reason, there's an essence he chose the songs he did for the superbowl... Imagine starting off with a 3121 chant... Uh not!! The superbowl is the most watched sporting event in the world, only a few hundred thousand hardcore fans would even know what 3121 is.

That s what every other artists does : they promote songs from their current albums ! It could have helped the album 3121 if he did it. (But wasn t it already out of print ?lol). I like the performance as it is, but was puzzled and pissed of at the time watching him neglecting his album so much. .

Prince did exactly the right thing for the Superbowl performance. It it is why it is and always will be talked about as one of the great Superbowl performances.

Reply #108 posted 12/18/18 4:00am

ChocolateBox3121

RODSERLING said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Musicology A LOT was given to concert attendees ALL over the world.....

It wasn't t given at all, it was included in the ticket price.

rolleyes

I know "it was included in the ticket price". My point is it was distributed very well. U insinuated like it wasn't an abundance of product.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #109 posted 12/18/18 4:08am

JorisE73

ChocolateBox3121 said:

RODSERLING said:

ChocolateBox3121 said: It wasn't t given at all, it was included in the ticket price.

rolleyes

I know "it was included in the ticket price". My point is it was distributed very well. U insinuated like it wasn't an abundance of product.


Sorry but it seems you're trying to twist your BS by twisting someone elses fact.

Reply #110 posted 12/18/18 4:45am

RODSERLING

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



RODSERLING said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:

 


Musicology A LOT was given to concert attendees ALL over the world.....



It wasn't t given at all, it was included in the ticket price.

rolleyes 


 


I know "it was included in the ticket price". My point is it was distributed very well. U insinuated like it wasn't an abundance of product.



I m sorry but in what world were you living the last 14 years lol?
In the real world, Musicology is out of print since six months after the original release in march 2004.
Just like every Prince album between 1994 and 2010, in case you didn't know, were out of print since the end of their promotion. Not only that, but until recently these albums never had even a digital release (!)
.
In fact, that's why Sony is re releasing them lol, that s the very point of the existence of this topic.
[Edited 12/18/18 4:48am]
[Edited 12/18/18 4:49am]
Reply #111 posted 12/18/18 4:51am

ChocolateBox3121

RODSERLING said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

rolleyes

I know "it was included in the ticket price". My point is it was distributed very well. U insinuated like it wasn't an abundance of product.

I m sorry but in what world were you living the last 14 years lol? In the real world, Musicology is out of print since six months after the original release in march 2004. Just like every Prince album between 1994 and 2010, in case you didn't know, were out of print since the end of their promotion. . In fact, that's why Sony is re releasing them lol, that s the very point of the existence of this topic.

I'm fully aware of the out of print problem. I was just talking about Musicology individually was well distributed during it's promotion. U don't have to inform me about anything that has to do with Prince. I know EVERYTHING!

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #112 posted 12/18/18 4:57am

feeluupp

MUSICOLOGY stands at selling 2.7 million copies... With the phsyical re-release and streaming this could hit the 3 million mark soon.

Reply #113 posted 12/18/18 7:52am

RODSERLING

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



RODSERLING said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:

 


rolleyes 


 


I know "it was included in the ticket price". My point is it was distributed very well. U insinuated like it wasn't an abundance of product.



I m sorry but in what world were you living the last 14 years lol? In the real world, Musicology is out of print since six months after the original release in march 2004. Just like every Prince album between 1994 and 2010, in case you didn't know, were out of print since the end of their promotion. . In fact, that's why Sony is re releasing them lol, that s the very point of the existence of this topic.

I'm fully aware of the out of print problem. I was just talking about Musicology individually was well distributed during it's promotion. U don't have to inform me about anything that has to do with Prince. I know EVERYTHING!



I never implied that Musicology were not well distributed during its promotion lol, you completely misread.
.
If you know everything lol ( but I assume you were joking) you should know that the Musicology tour never toured outside North America
Reply #114 posted 12/18/18 8:08am

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

MUSICOLOGY stands at selling 2.7 million copies... With the phsyical re-release and streaming this could hit the 3 million mark soon.



In fact Sony stated years ago that Musicology sold/shipped 3.6 millions copies worldwide.
.

The numbers of 2.7 millions is not official at all,that s only Chartmaster's fantasist assumption.
.
He himself made a rule in his methodology that if a record label state a number of copies sold publicly, well, that number is obligatory true and is a strict minimum. If not, the artist could claim extra money from his label !
.
No way Sony inflated this number, especially since it was out of print at the time and had no other Prince album in his catalogue to sell.
.
So Chartmaster is contradicting with himself.
.
Moreover, in 2005 he claimed the album sold 4 millions worldwide. So his word is no gospel.
.
For instance, Musicology is scanned in the USA at only 2.000.000 copies, whereas it sold in fact 938.000 copies in regular stores and 1.47 millions of tickets were sold for the tour.
.
Soundscan counted only 1.066.000 tickets for the tour. They discounted in fact 400.000 copies, including more than 200.000 that were sold before the actual release of the album.
.
Moreover, Music Club still existed at the time, even if it was small, but Eminem show still sold millions in MC in 2003!
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Do the maths : Even without MC, that's almost 2.5 millions copies sold in the USA only.
.
No way it sold only 200.000 copies outside the USa...

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Reply #115 posted 12/18/18 2:34pm

RODSERLING

After some more research, it seems the numbers of Musicology in the USA are as follows :
- about 980.000 copies sold in retail stores
- 1.066.000 copies counted by soundscan for the Musicology tour, out of the 1.47 millions tickets sold
- 270.000 copies excluded, sold at shows during the month before the release of the album, and the week of the release at the exception of one show (only 13.000 copies out of the 191.000 first week sales !)
- About 150.000 copies sold at the shows excluded because sold through NPGMC + copies sold at various theaters broadcast the tour
- An unknown number sold at NPGMC
- An unknown number sold at Columbia house Music Club
Reply #116 posted 12/18/18 3:02pm

ChocolateBox3121

Also "Call My Name" from the multi platinum MEGA hit album "Musicology" won a Grammy Award for Best RnB Vocal Performance at the 47th Annual Grammy Awards in 2005.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #117 posted 12/18/18 3:15pm

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

The real question is : why every releases after 1993 were out of print after six months? . Why the major companies couldn't reprint them ? Was there a clause in the contracts forbidding them to do so? Was there even a contract, and if there wasn t how was it possible to stop the printing? Why Prince wanted his albums to be out of print, even in the digital form? Some albums such as Musicology would have been good catalogue sellers.


No need for the hyperbole of "six months". They all went out of print too fast sure, but those that went to retail on major labels were available for a few years at least.


[Edited 12/18/18 15:16pm]

Don't listen to the newly leaked Louis C.K. bootleg if you're offended by stuff. ANY stuff.
Reply #118 posted 12/18/18 3:18pm

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

rolleyes

I know "it was included in the ticket price". My point is it was distributed very well. U insinuated like it wasn't an abundance of product.

I m sorry but in what world were you living the last 14 years lol? In the real world, Musicology is out of print since six months after the original release in march 2004. Just like every Prince album between 1994 and 2010, in case you didn't know, were out of print since the end of their promotion. Not only that, but until recently these albums never had even a digital release (!) . In fact, that's why Sony is re releasing them lol, that s the very point of the existence of this topic. [Edited 12/18/18 4:48am] [Edited 12/18/18 4:49am]


Musicology was available at retail for several years.

Don't listen to the newly leaked Louis C.K. bootleg if you're offended by stuff. ANY stuff.
Reply #119 posted 12/18/18 3:39pm

ChocolateBox3121

RODSERLING said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I'm fully aware of the out of print problem. I was just talking about Musicology individually was well distributed during it's promotion. U don't have to inform me about anything that has to do with Prince. I know EVERYTHING!

I never implied that Musicology were not well distributed during its promotion lol, you completely misread. . If you know everything lol ( but I assume you were joking) you should know that the Musicology tour never toured outside North America

I'm surprised U even said it sold at all.

Btw I don't joke about Prince's legacy. He left me here to protect it.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #120 posted 12/18/18 3:51pm

RODSERLING

djThunderfunk said:

 



RODSERLING said:


The real question is : why every releases after 1993 were out of print after six months? . Why the major companies couldn't reprint them ? Was there a clause in the contracts forbidding them to do so? Was there even a contract, and if there wasn t how was it possible to stop the printing? Why Prince wanted his albums to be out of print, even in the digital form? Some albums such as Musicology would have been good catalogue sellers.


No need for the hyperbole of "six months". They all went out of print too fast sure, but those that went to retail on major labels were available for a few years at least.


[Edited 12/18/18 15:16pm]



In mint condition ? In 2005 Musicology was already out of print and couldn't be ordered.
It has never been printed since 2004.
The shipments in stores were so low, that even with the Grammy's where the album won 2 awards, the album couldn t crack the top 200 again !
.

And you didn't answer the question...
Reply #121 posted 12/18/18 3:52pm

RODSERLING

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



RODSERLING said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:

 


I'm fully aware of the out of print problem. I was just talking about Musicology individually was well distributed during it's promotion. U don't have to inform me about anything that has to do with Prince. I know EVERYTHING!



I never implied that Musicology were not well distributed during its promotion lol, you completely misread. . If you know everything lol ( but I assume you were joking) you should know that the Musicology tour never toured outside North America

I'm surprised U even said it sold at all.


 


Btw I don't joke about Prince's legacy. He left me here to protect it.


You have hard time to read and understand, right?
Reply #122 posted 12/18/18 5:53pm

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:


No need for the hyperbole of "six months". They all went out of print too fast sure, but those that went to retail on major labels were available for a few years at least.


[Edited 12/18/18 15:16pm]

In mint condition ? In 2005 Musicology was already out of print and couldn't be ordered. It has never been printed since 2004. The shipments in stores were so low, that even with the Grammy's where the album won 2 awards, the album couldn t crack the top 200 again ! . And you didn't answer the question...


Yes. Musicology was available in retail stores for several years. It was easily available in 2005. At least here in the U.S. it was.


Don't listen to the newly leaked Louis C.K. bootleg if you're offended by stuff. ANY stuff.
Reply #123 posted 12/18/18 7:25pm

ChocolateBox3121

RODSERLING said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I'm surprised U even said it sold at all.

Btw I don't joke about Prince's legacy. He left me here to protect it.

You have hard time to read and understand, right?

Don't start with me. I'm asking U nicely.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #124 posted 12/18/18 10:09pm

RODSERLING

djThunderfunk said:

 



RODSERLING said:


djThunderfunk said:

 



No need for the hyperbole of "six months". They all went out of print too fast sure, but those that went to retail on major labels were available for a few years at least.



[Edited 12/18/18 15:16pm]



In mint condition ? In 2005 Musicology was already out of print and couldn't be ordered. It has never been printed since 2004. The shipments in stores were so low, that even with the Grammy's where the album won 2 awards, the album couldn t crack the top 200 again ! . And you didn't answer the question...


Yes. Musicology was available in retail stores for several years. It was easily available in 2005. At least here in the U.S. it was.




In Europe it wasn't. It wasnt even included in Sony holiday 2004 catalogue at a little price, like every other albums.
In the US, That was old shipments that had to be sold, since it sold only 49.000 copies between January 2005 and April 2016 (!).
.
It s like Emancipation was Available at some stores until 2014, but it was clearly old shipments printed around 1996/1997.
.
Maybe the shipments were bigger in stores at some point in 2005 and were sent to music clubs?
.
One thing is for sure, the album couldn t be ordered by February 2005 and wasn't so easily available, or else it would have cracked the top 200 again with the Grammy s hype.
Just like 3121 wasn t produced anymore at the time the Superbowl performance came up.
.
I think that whenever Prince ended promoting an album and did everything he wanted to do with it, he made a call to stop produce the current album, to be more focused on the next one. Surely something superstitious.
.
I m amazed nobody here ever thought or wonder about the fact that a large part of his discography is out of print.
Reply #125 posted 12/18/18 11:33pm

laforet99

"If they really release the 23 albums unavailable next year, Prince will be a huge physical seller. "

but what does it mean, what does it change in your life that an artist sells music, physical or not?

will his music be or feel better in your ears?

i love Prince's music but seriously i don't give a fuck how many discs are sold, and the mount doesnt mean anything to me.

Explain to me what you like in the amout of sales, i've always been curious to know.

Reply #126 posted 12/19/18 4:24am

RODSERLING

laforet99 said:

"If they really release the 23 albums unavailable next year, Prince will be a huge physical seller. "


 


but what does it mean, what does it change in your life that an artist sells music, physical or not?


will his music be or feel better in your ears?


 


i love Prince's music but seriously i don't give a fuck how many discs are sold, and the mount doesnt mean anything to me.


Explain to me what you like in the amout of sales, i've always been curious to know.



I think it a shame that his post 1993 albums are out of print.
.
It a shame because this material couldn t be broadcast to the the general audience, and new fans. Then, this often great material is completely forgotten and discarded by music critics. It s like they never existed, and in a sense, that s true : since you can t buy it in a physical or digital form.
.
I m sure some albums such as Gold or Musicology would have been good catalogue sellers. And they missed their chance to meet their audience when Prince died.
.
Sales are an important part of the topic, because it s the only objective factor we can have, not to enjoy the music, but to talk about an album.
.
There is a poll in the org to list the best albums of Prince. I m sure the top ten will be his best selling albums. Coincidences?
.
I didn't even participate to this poll...
.
Purple Rain sales are as important as the music to describe the phenomenon it was and the cultural impact it had on the music. If it was a flop, we wouldn't be here discussing Prince s music, cause the org wouldn't even exist.
.
Is there a slystone.org? No. Why? Because he never had this huge selling véhicule such as Purple Rain.

.
I don t understand neither the point in creating topics such as " what song have you in mind today" or " what are you thinking of this album". To each one his tastes, every body understand music on his own, so what s the point in discussing about it?
.
If I were like you, I would go on every of these topics saying "what is your point you all with all these debates in the wind?". No. Everybody has the right to discuss whatever they want to. That's the goal of a board, and that includes talking about sales too. That s incredible that guys like you are still complaining about people interested in sales, when this was a topic that Prince was very interested in.
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Tolerance is clearly something you missed in Prince s music, to ask questions like that, and not understanding what the Goal of a board is.
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That s why sales are an interesting matter : you can rely on facts, and in the same time there is an investigating work to do, because some time facts are hard to find.
.
In the case of Prince, his sales reflect too the way he innovated in distributing his music, and show the evolution of the industry. So from an historical point of view, it also shows how the behaviour of the consumers changed.
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I never implied that because an album sells well, suddenly the music becomes better. That s absolutely not my point.
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If you understood it that way,I m sorry for you.
[Edited 12/19/18 4:27am]
Reply #127 posted 12/19/18 5:27am

RODSERLING

I was right : RAVE un2 is among the next batch of re releases on march, 8.
.
It is listed as 3 CDs though.
Maybe it is in fact 3 vinyl discs...
Reply #128 posted 12/19/18 6:14am

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:


Yes. Musicology was available in retail stores for several years. It was easily available in 2005. At least here in the U.S. it was.


In Europe it wasn't. It wasnt even included in Sony holiday 2004 catalogue at a little price, like every other albums. In the US, That was old shipments that had to be sold, since it sold only 49.000 copies between January 2005 and April 2016 (!). . It s like Emancipation was Available at some stores until 2014, but it was clearly old shipments printed around 1996/1997. . Maybe the shipments were bigger in stores at some point in 2005 and were sent to music clubs? . One thing is for sure, the album couldn t be ordered by February 2005 and wasn't so easily available, or else it would have cracked the top 200 again with the Grammy s hype. Just like 3121 wasn t produced anymore at the time the Superbowl performance came up. . I think that whenever Prince ended promoting an album and did everything he wanted to do with it, he made a call to stop produce the current album, to be more focused on the next one. Surely something superstitious. . I m amazed nobody here ever thought or wonder about the fact that a large part of his discography is out of print.


Well here in his home country it was available in stores or from Amazon, at retail price, for YEARS. So was 3121 which was easily available when the Superbowl performance happened. Sorry about Europe.

Even Rainbow Children, NEWS and One Nite Alone Live were available at retail for 2 or 3 years. They were out of stock faster than most.

Don't listen to the newly leaked Louis C.K. bootleg if you're offended by stuff. ANY stuff.
Reply #129 posted 12/19/18 6:33am

peedub

RODSERLING said:

I was right : RAVE un2 is among the next batch of re releases on march, 8. . It is listed as 3 CDs though. Maybe it is in fact 3 vinyl discs...


listed where? i have 'rave...' on vinyl and it's only 2 discs. i wonder if 3 discs is going to include remixes?

Reply #130 posted 12/19/18 12:16pm

42Kristen

shocked

Reply #131 posted 12/19/18 12:34pm

embmmusic

RODSERLING said:

I was right : RAVE un2 is among the next batch of re releases on march, 8. . It is listed as 3 CDs though. Maybe it is in fact 3 vinyl discs...

A search brings up no info on any releases past those 3 already mentioned. Where did you see this?

Reply #132 posted 12/19/18 3:45pm

xodusfr

embmmusic said:

RODSERLING said:

I was right : RAVE un2 is among the next batch of re releases on march, 8. . It is listed as 3 CDs though. Maybe it is in fact 3 vinyl discs...

A search brings up no info on any releases past those 3 already mentioned. Where did you see this?

Here is where you can see it:

https://www.cede.ch/de/music/?view=detail&branch_sub=0&branch=1&aid=16599114

Reply #133 posted 12/19/18 3:50pm

xodusfr

xodusfr said:

embmmusic said:

A search brings up no info on any releases past those 3 already mentioned. Where did you see this?

Here is where you can see it:

https://www.cede.ch/de/music/?view=detail&branch_sub=0&branch=1&aid=16599114

More information here too biggrin :

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/princes_musicology_3121_and_planet_earth_given_vinyl_reissues

The Purple One's Musicology (2004), 3121 (2006) and Planet Earth (2007) will all arrive on CD and vinyl on February 8.

The reissues mark the first time all three albums have been pressed to wax, set to arrive on purple-coloured LPs that can be pre-ordered here. Each reissue will arrive as single CD packages, as well as 2-LP vinyl sets for Musicology and 3121. Planet Earth, however, will be reissued as a only a single vinyl LP.

As previously reported, additional titles set to get the reissue treatment as part of the campaign's first phase include 1995's The Gold Experience, 1996's Emancipation, 1999's Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic and 2001's The Rainbow Children.

Titles featured in the deal's second phase, set to begin in 2021, include 1979's Prince, 1980's Dirty Mind, 1981's Controversy, 1982's 1999, 1985's Around the World in a Day, 1987's Sign 'O' the Times, 1988's Lovesexy, 1991's Diamonds and Pearls and 1992's [Love Symbol].

Reply #134 posted 12/19/18 4:22pm

feeluupp

Unless your a collector, the post 95 reissues dont really excite me that much, due to the fact it's clear they are not remastered or adding any deluxe features to it...

But the second batch is interesting becasue it was literally a year ago they just released remastered versions of Prince, ATWIAD, Sign O' The Times, Lovesexy... So maybe these will all get the deluxe treatment. Would be amazing to have his classic albums get a real deluxe treatment.

xodusfr said:

xodusfr said:

Here is where you can see it:

https://www.cede.ch/de/music/?view=detail&branch_sub=0&branch=1&aid=16599114

More information here too biggrin :

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/princes_musicology_3121_and_planet_earth_given_vinyl_reissues

The Purple One's Musicology (2004), 3121 (2006) and Planet Earth (2007) will all arrive on CD and vinyl on February 8.

The reissues mark the first time all three albums have been pressed to wax, set to arrive on purple-coloured LPs that can be pre-ordered here. Each reissue will arrive as single CD packages, as well as 2-LP vinyl sets for Musicology and 3121. Planet Earth, however, will be reissued as a only a single vinyl LP.

As previously reported, additional titles set to get the reissue treatment as part of the campaign's first phase include 1995's The Gold Experience, 1996's Emancipation, 1999's Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic and 2001's The Rainbow Children.

Titles featured in the deal's second phase, set to begin in 2021, include 1979's Prince, 1980's Dirty Mind, 1981's Controversy, 1982's 1999, 1985's Around the World in a Day, 1987's Sign 'O' the Times, 1988's Lovesexy, 1991's Diamonds and Pearls and 1992's [Love Symbol].

Reply #135 posted 12/19/18 5:12pm

ChocolateBox3121

I can't BELIEVE Prince forgot the combination to THE VAULT! Therefore hadn't entered it in YEARS!!!!

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #136 posted 12/19/18 9:57pm

RODSERLING

djThunderfunk said:

 



RODSERLING said:


djThunderfunk said:

 



Yes. Musicology was available in retail stores for several years. It was easily available in 2005. At least here in the U.S. it was.




In Europe it wasn't. It wasnt even included in Sony holiday 2004 catalogue at a little price, like every other albums. In the US, That was old shipments that had to be sold, since it sold only 49.000 copies between January 2005 and April 2016 (!). . It s like Emancipation was Available at some stores until 2014, but it was clearly old shipments printed around 1996/1997. . Maybe the shipments were bigger in stores at some point in 2005 and were sent to music clubs? . One thing is for sure, the album couldn t be ordered by February 2005 and wasn't so easily available, or else it would have cracked the top 200 again with the Grammy s hype. Just like 3121 wasn t produced anymore at the time the Superbowl performance came up. . I think that whenever Prince ended promoting an album and did everything he wanted to do with it, he made a call to stop produce the current album, to be more focused on the next one. Surely something superstitious. . I m amazed nobody here ever thought or wonder about the fact that a large part of his discography is out of print.


Well here in his home country it was available in stores or from Amazon, at retail price, for YEARS. So was 3121 which was easily available when the Superbowl performance happened. Sorry about Europe.

Even Rainbow Children, NEWS and One Nite Alone Live were available at retail for 2 or 3 years. They were out of stock faster than most.



Like I said 49.000 copies of Musicology sold in 12 years is not what one could call "easily available", unless as I suspect some shipments not counted by soundscan were sold through Colombia House.
.
Some albums such as Emancipation or Lotus Flower could reappear in some stores from time to time, but my point is that the labels stopped printed them after the promotion, for reasons not only illogical (the goal is to produce them to sell them to make money out of it) but that were never officially explained.
.
If there were more shipments in stores that weren t sold it would still be available at a normal price on some services such as Amazon, where the price of these albums reached fast summit beyond normal.
Reply #137 posted 12/19/18 10:05pm

RODSERLING

feeluupp said:

 


Unless your a collector, the post 95 reissues dont really excite me that much, due to the fact it's clear they are not remastered or adding any deluxe features to it...


 


 


But the second batch is interesting becasue it was literally a year ago they just released remastered versions of Prince, ATWIAD, Sign O' The Times, Lovesexy... So maybe these will all get the deluxe treatment. Would be amazing to have his classic albums get a real deluxe treatment.


 


 



xodusfr said:


 



xodusfr said:


 


 


 


Here is where you can see it:


https://www.cede.ch/de/music/?view=detail&branch_sub=0&branch=1&aid=16599114


 



 


 


More information here too biggrin :


 


http://exclaim.ca/music/article/princes_musicology_3121_and_planet_earth_given_vinyl_reissues


 


 


The Purple One's Musicology (2004), 3121 (2006) and Planet Earth (2007) will all arrive on CD and vinyl on February 8.

The reissues mark the first time all three albums have been pressed to wax, set to arrive on purple-coloured LPs that can be pre-ordered here. Each reissue will arrive as single CD packages, as well as 2-LP vinyl sets for Musicology and 3121. Planet Earth, however, will be reissued as a only a single vinyl LP.

As previously reported, additional titles set to get the reissue treatment as part of the campaign's first phase include 1995's The Gold Experience, 1996's Emancipation, 1999's Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic and 2001's The Rainbow Children.

Titles featured in the deal's second phase, set to begin in 2021, include 1979's Prince, 1980's Dirty Mind, 1981's Controversy, 1982's 1999, 1985's Around the World in a Day, 1987's Sign 'O' the Times, 1988's Lovesexy, 1991's Diamonds and Pearls and 1992's [Love Symbol].



 


 


 



So now it s time for WB to move their asses if they want their piece of the cake, and release deluxe editions of Parade and Batman (which is the 30th anniversary next year).
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And what about Come and Black album? It seems neither Sony nor WB has the rights to release them.
.
Post 1995 albums don t need remasterisation, they are too recent and already suffer from the loudness war.
It would be horrid if they remasterised them, meaning they would sound even worst.
.
Reply #138 posted 12/20/18 5:58am

djThunderfunk

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said:


Well here in his home country it was available in stores or from Amazon, at retail price, for YEARS. So was 3121 which was easily available when the Superbowl performance happened. Sorry about Europe.

Even Rainbow Children, NEWS and One Nite Alone Live were available at retail for 2 or 3 years. They were out of stock faster than most.

Like I said 49.000 copies of Musicology sold in 12 years is not what one could call "easily available", unless as I suspect some shipments not counted by soundscan were sold through Colombia House. . Some albums such as Emancipation or Lotus Flower could reappear in some stores from time to time, but my point is that the labels stopped printed them after the promotion, for reasons not only illogical (the goal is to produce them to sell them to make money out of it) but that were never officially explained. . If there were more shipments in stores that weren t sold it would still be available at a normal price on some services such as Amazon, where the price of these albums reached fast summit beyond normal.


Being available to pick up at or order from retail stores at retail price IS EXACTLY what I would call "easily available". And as long as it was still available, why on earth would there have been a need to keep printing it? Again, sorrry about Eurpoe, but Musicolgy was around at retail price in the states for YEARS.

Don't listen to the newly leaked Louis C.K. bootleg if you're offended by stuff. ANY stuff.
Reply #139 posted 12/20/18 8:27am

darkroman

djThunderfunk said:

RODSERLING said:

djThunderfunk said: Like I said 49.000 copies of Musicology sold in 12 years is not what one could call "easily available", unless as I suspect some shipments not counted by soundscan were sold through Colombia House. . Some albums such as Emancipation or Lotus Flower could reappear in some stores from time to time, but my point is that the labels stopped printed them after the promotion, for reasons not only illogical (the goal is to produce them to sell them to make money out of it) but that were never officially explained. . If there were more shipments in stores that weren t sold it would still be available at a normal price on some services such as Amazon, where the price of these albums reached fast summit beyond normal.


Being available to pick up at or order from retail stores at retail price IS EXACTLY what I would call "easily available". And as long as it was still available, why on earth would there have been a need to keep printing it? Again, sorrry about Eurpoe, but Musicolgy was around at retail price in the states for YEARS.


I bought the CD Digipak in April 2004 when it was released and the Vinyl in September 2004.

I eventually bought the Jewel Case version in October 2005 in my local record shop.

I certainly remember Musicology being available for quite a few years in shops - even if this was just a case of an old pressing taking years to sell.

I even remember stacks and stacks of the Crystal Ball being dicounted for ages as they were not selling at all.


wink

Reply #140 posted 12/20/18 10:34am

RODSERLING

darkroman said:

 



djThunderfunk said:


 



RODSERLING said:


djThunderfunk said: Like I said 49.000 copies of Musicology sold in 12 years is not what one could call "easily available", unless as I suspect some shipments not counted by soundscan were sold through Colombia House. . Some albums such as Emancipation or Lotus Flower could reappear in some stores from time to time, but my point is that the labels stopped printed them after the promotion, for reasons not only illogical (the goal is to produce them to sell them to make money out of it) but that were never officially explained. . If there were more shipments in stores that weren t sold it would still be available at a normal price on some services such as Amazon, where the price of these albums reached fast summit beyond normal.


Being available to pick up at or order from retail stores at retail price IS EXACTLY what I would call "easily available". And as long as it was still available, why on earth would there have been a need to keep printing it? Again, sorrry about Eurpoe, but Musicolgy was around at retail price in the states for YEARS.




I bought the CD Digipak in April 2004 when it was released and the Vinyl in September 2004.

I eventually bought the Jewel Case version in October 2005 in my local record shop.

I certainly remember Musicology being available for quite a few years in shops - even if this was just a case of an old pressing taking years to sell.

I even remember stacks and stacks of the Crystal Ball being dicounted for ages as they were not selling at all.


wink



Yes CB was available until around 2005 in stores at a reasonable price, but that s not answering why every album post 1993 are still not printed as of now. Especially when it was handled by music majors such as Sony or Universal...
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Even the newspapers for 2010 hadn't t the right to reprint new copies, whereas in France for instance the 140.000 copies were sold out at 11 in the morning the day of release
Reply #141 posted 12/20/18 11:25pm

JorisE73

darkroman said:

djThunderfunk said:


Being available to pick up at or order from retail stores at retail price IS EXACTLY what I would call "easily available". And as long as it was still available, why on earth would there have been a need to keep printing it? Again, sorrry about Eurpoe, but Musicolgy was around at retail price in the states for YEARS.


I bought the CD Digipak in April 2004 when it was released and the Vinyl in September 2004.

I eventually bought the Jewel Case version in October 2005 in my local record shop.

I certainly remember Musicology being available for quite a few years in shops - even if this was just a case of an old pressing taking years to sell.

I even remember stacks and stacks of the Crystal Ball being dicounted for ages as they were not selling at all.


wink



I ordered the 5 CD Crystall Ball through the website and somewhere around 2005 I bought the 4 CD jewel case version with booklet for €10 and they had stacks of these in a bargain bin in Netherlands, sadly not the round case 4 CD version because my case was cracked and replacing it for €10 would have been great. Musicology is still pretty easy found here. I saw a couple not to long ago at the Mediamarkt.

Reply #142 posted 12/21/18 4:28am

RODSERLING

JorisE73 said:

 



darkroman said:


 



djThunderfunk said:


 



Being available to pick up at or order from retail stores at retail price IS EXACTLY what I would call "easily available". And as long as it was still available, why on earth would there have been a need to keep printing it? Again, sorrry about Eurpoe, but Musicolgy was around at retail price in the states for YEARS.




I bought the CD Digipak in April 2004 when it was released and the Vinyl in September 2004.

I eventually bought the Jewel Case version in October 2005 in my local record shop.

I certainly remember Musicology being available for quite a few years in shops - even if this was just a case of an old pressing taking years to sell.

I even remember stacks and stacks of the Crystal Ball being dicounted for ages as they were not selling at all.


wink





I ordered the 5 CD Crystall Ball through the website and somewhere around 2005 I bought the 4 CD jewel case version with booklet for €10 and they had stacks of these in a bargain bin in Netherlands, sadly not the round case 4 CD version because my case was cracked and replacing it for €10 would have been great. Musicology is still pretty easy found here. I saw a couple not to long ago at the Mediamarkt.



Musicology on mint condition in stores in 2018?
Looks like science fiction, it s on amazon for a hundred bucks for years
Reply #143 posted 12/21/18 5:29am

JorisE73

RODSERLING said:

JorisE73 said:



I ordered the 5 CD Crystall Ball through the website and somewhere around 2005 I bought the 4 CD jewel case version with booklet for €10 and they had stacks of these in a bargain bin in Netherlands, sadly not the round case 4 CD version because my case was cracked and replacing it for €10 would have been great. Musicology is still pretty easy found here. I saw a couple not to long ago at the Mediamarkt.

Musicology on mint condition in stores in 2018? Looks like science fiction, it s on amazon for a hundred bucks for years


No science fiction. Numerous stores in The Netherlands seem to have old boxes of CD's laying about.

For instance 2 years ago a fresh batch of unsold Gold Experience CD's were stocked at a music shop in Delft.
At Mediamarkt in Zoetermeer there we copies of Musicology and 3121 still stocked.

Reply #144 posted 12/21/18 7:17am

RODSERLING

JorisE73 said:

 



RODSERLING said:


JorisE73 said:

 




I ordered the 5 CD Crystall Ball through the website and somewhere around 2005 I bought the 4 CD jewel case version with booklet for €10 and they had stacks of these in a bargain bin in Netherlands, sadly not the round case 4 CD version because my case was cracked and replacing it for €10 would have been great. Musicology is still pretty easy found here. I saw a couple not to long ago at the Mediamarkt.



Musicology on mint condition in stores in 2018? Looks like science fiction, it s on amazon for a hundred bucks for years


No science fiction. Numerous stores in The Netherlands seem to have old boxes of CD's laying about.


For instance 2 years ago a fresh batch of unsold Gold Experience CD's were stocked at a music shop in Delft.
At Mediamarkt in Zoetermeer there we copies of Musicology and 3121 still stocked.



God bless Netherlands. So why nobody bought them all to sell them at a much higher price on Amazon?
[Edited 12/21/18 7:22am]
Reply #145 posted 12/21/18 9:23am

Romeoblu

I'm really looking forward to get these on vinyl especially 3121.

I just hope they are good pressings.

I really hope that Come Get a release soon and we also get vinyl copies of Chaos and The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale.

Emancipation would be cool be I guess that would have to be a 6 album set.
Reply #146 posted 12/21/18 4:55pm

Kobe

Cater Vinyl Hipster Crowd? Most of us VHC have been collecting Vinyl long before you were itiching in your daddy's pants... 30, 40 years ago?

JorisE73 said:

luvsexy4all said:

why bother releasing this stuff WITHOUT bonus tracks ?


I think mostly to cater to that recent vinyl hipster crowd.

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #147 posted 12/21/18 5:01pm

Kobe

Pay attention closer to the lyrics to Fury and trust me I know the real story behind this song wink

ChocolateBox3121 said:

RODSERLING said:

3121 IS thé last great Prince album. It's maybe the only album since Lovesexy where every track is strong, there is not one filler in it. . I think it s the last time Prince achieved this degree of excellence in his music, as if he were 25 years old, and not 48. . It s fun, smart, groovy, musically accessible and eclectic. . Musicology is good too, Planet Earth is more lazy but is easily listenable too. Far better than most of its 90'release. [Edited 12/13/18 14:03pm]

If 3121 would have went like Prince planned it. It would have been & even MORE MEGA HIT! Too bad Universal wouldn't approve "Fury" being used as the video from SNL. Then Oprah turning down what would have been a second appearance to promote the project & new 3121 perfume on her then high rated show The Oprah Winfrey Show. Then of course being served papers from Mani right in the middle of it all. It was ALL bittersweet for Prince

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #148 posted 12/24/18 1:49am

JorisE73

Kobe said:

Cater Vinyl Hipster Crowd? Most of us VHC have been collecting Vinyl long before you were itiching in your daddy's pants... 30, 40 years ago?

JorisE73 said:


I think mostly to cater to that recent vinyl hipster crowd.

Oh please, 44 years here and grew up on vinyl and CD's.
The recent new vinyl buyers don't care about quality like vinyl masters pressed on vinyl or Digital masters pressed on digital media and only buy these crap quality CD-masters-pressed-on-vinyl releases to come over as interesting, pretentious hipsters.

Reply #149 posted 12/24/18 6:55pm

ChocolateBox3121

Kobe said:

Pay attention closer to the lyrics to Fury and trust me I know the real story behind this song wink

ChocolateBox3121 said:

If 3121 would have went like Prince planned it. It would have been & even MORE MEGA HIT! Too bad Universal wouldn't approve "Fury" being used as the video from SNL. Then Oprah turning down what would have been a second appearance to promote the project & new 3121 perfume on her then high rated show The Oprah Winfrey Show. Then of course being served papers from Mani right in the middle of it all. It was ALL bittersweet for Prince

LIES!

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #150 posted 12/26/18 12:31pm

luvsexy4all

no info on the 3 cds of RAVE????

Reply #151 posted 12/26/18 2:56pm

RODSERLING

luvsexy4all said:

no info on the 3 cds of RAVE????



RaveUn2
RaveIn2
RaveUn2000
Reply #152 posted 12/26/18 3:15pm

E319

RODSERLING said:

luvsexy4all said:

no info on the 3 cds of RAVE????



RaveUn2
RaveIn2
RaveUn2000


I hope so. That would be awesome.
Reply #153 posted 12/27/18 10:09pm

FunkyStrange

I can't believe that anyone is even remotely interested in this rehash crap..

Estate : Here's three albums you've already had a for a decade

Crazy people : GREAT! take my money

not to mention colored vinyl deteriorates faster than normal black vinyl..

apart from those with the completists affliction, I don't see why any sane person would waste their money on 3 albums they already have with no bonus tracks, which I'm sure was mentioned early in the promo of these releases

Reply #154 posted 12/27/18 10:12pm

Kobe

And still smell like cat's piss?

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JorisE73 said:

Kobe said:

Cater Vinyl Hipster Crowd? Most of us VHC have been collecting Vinyl long before you were itiching in your daddy's pants... 30, 40 years ago?

Oh please, 44 years here and grew up on vinyl and CD's.
The recent new vinyl buyers don't care about quality like vinyl masters pressed on vinyl or Digital masters pressed on digital media and only buy these crap quality CD-masters-pressed-on-vinyl releases to come over as interesting, pretentious hipsters.

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #155 posted 12/28/18 12:56pm

luvsexy4all

FunkyStrange said:

I can't believe that anyone is even remotely interested in this rehash crap..

Estate : Here's three albums you've already had a for a decade

Crazy people : GREAT! take my money

not to mention colored vinyl deteriorates faster than normal black vinyl..

apart from those with the completists affliction, I don't see why any sane person would waste their money on 3 albums they already have with no bonus tracks, which I'm sure was mentioned early in the promo of these releases

how r these releases supposed to get the general audience to notice his post-80 output??? especially without any bonus live/outtakes to fill them up

Reply #156 posted 12/28/18 1:33pm

embmmusic

luvsexy4all said:

FunkyStrange said:

I can't believe that anyone is even remotely interested in this rehash crap..

Estate : Here's three albums you've already had a for a decade

Crazy people : GREAT! take my money

not to mention colored vinyl deteriorates faster than normal black vinyl..

apart from those with the completists affliction, I don't see why any sane person would waste their money on 3 albums they already have with no bonus tracks, which I'm sure was mentioned early in the promo of these releases

how r these releases supposed to get the general audience to notice his post-80 output??? especially without any bonus live/outtakes to fill them up

Because the general audience won't care about bonus content.

Reply #157 posted 12/28/18 7:59pm

FunkyStrange

embmmusic said:

luvsexy4all said:

how r these releases supposed to get the general audience to notice his post-80 output??? especially without any bonus live/outtakes to fill them up

Because the general audience won't care about bonus content.

The general audience don't care about dropping a bomb on limited edition coloured vinyl on an artist they're not particularly a fan of either, so again, who is the intended market supposed to be?

apart from completists, i don't see any other target market,,

Reply #158 posted 12/29/18 12:53am

ChocolateBox3121

Thank U Sony for making my dreams come through & paying attention to Prince's(r.i.p.) post 90's music which is my favorite.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #159 posted 12/29/18 7:55am

thedance

Great I was excited,



BUT however.... 522,00 DKR
in shipping costs from the USA to Denmark.. eek eek eek


I did cancel my order: 80,00 USD in postage, plus I expect taxes as well....


disbelief disbelief

Prince 4Ever. heart
Reply #160 posted 01/01/19 6:54am

thedawn3121

Can’t wait for these to be released, even though I would prefer traditional black vinyl. One thing I don’t understand is why the purple vinyl is being billed as “limited edition” when it’s the only edition available to purchase. I do have them on pre order nonetheless.
Reply #161 posted 01/04/19 11:25am

jaypotton

Anyone know how the reissue CDs are going to be packaged? Cardboard slip cases or plastic Jewel cases?
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #162 posted 01/04/19 2:20pm

RODSERLING

Cardboard, with a 28 pages booklet each,even Planet earth
Reply #163 posted 01/05/19 1:33am

jaypotton

RODSERLING said:

Cardboard, with a 28 pages booklet each,even Planet earth


Ok thanks
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #164 posted 01/07/19 11:07am

Mace

Pre ordered it on WowHd for €79.24 incl shipping.

https://www.ie.wowhd.com/prince-purple-vinyl-bundle/762184400129

Reply #165 posted 01/08/19 10:30am

42Kristen

biggrin

Reply #166 posted 01/09/19 8:37pm

Kobe

Pissy fuckers on this thread. Armchair _unts!

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #167 posted 01/10/19 6:10am

embmmusic

Kobe said:

Pissy fuckers on this thread. Armchair _unts!

Even the most innocuous threads on this board end in arguments

Reply #168 posted 01/10/19 9:48am

RODSERLING

Interesting bit of information :
Purple Rain sold 95.000 physical or digital copies last year in the USA including no less than 71.000 vinyls, making it the #5 best selling vinyl of the year (Thriller sold 84.000 in comparison).
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The physical market is really ibecoming a vinyl market.
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While the new release of the year, Piano...1983, sold 68.000 copies.
TVBO sold only 48.000, as I predicted it more than 2 years ago sales are cannibalized by 4EVER, which is really stupid since adding the sales of the two now doesn't reach the 100.000 numbers a year that TVBOP used to trigger during Prince lifetime.
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So it s really more interesting commercially to re release old albums than new material.
[Edited 1/10/19 10:41am]
Reply #169 posted 01/10/19 8:37pm

Quicho1

The recent availability of Prince's later albums for downloading only (I believe) also had the Best of Anthology from the last two decades. I think this should have a physical release, i.e. vinyl, CD, While one can argue about the choice of track listing, it would be a great introduction for the casual Prince fan who might otherwise not know where to start. With liner notes or info delineating from which release each track was plucked, it might increase interest among them for a specific album. This would raise the profile of the later stuff, especially for original fans that dropped away after the mid-90s, but might be daunted by wading through all the releases.
Reply #170 posted 01/10/19 10:39pm

RODSERLING

Quicho1 said:

The recent availability of Prince's later albums for downloading only (I believe) also had the Best of Anthology from the last two decades. I think this should have a physical release, i.e. vinyl, CD, While one can argue about the choice of track listing, it would be a great introduction for the casual Prince fan who might otherwise not know where to start. With liner notes or info delineating from which release each track was plucked, it might increase interest among them for a specific album. This would raise the profile of the later stuff, especially for original fans that dropped away after the mid-90s, but might be daunted by wading through all the releases.


You re right.
They should have released a greatest hits last year, including one disc of REAL greatest hits (Gold, Holy River, Call My name, Musicology etc.), and a second disc of anthology ( last December, facedown, etc.). With a dvd release of the music videos accompanying that.
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That was the best way to interest a new audience and to create some hype for these future re releases.
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But what they released instead couldn't interest anybody : too long, not catchy, too many instrumental tracks, too many average tracks
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The problem was, and still is, that they couldn't clear the greatest hit of all : TMBGITW. What a bummer.
And that's why Sony is stuck with an eventual greatest hits.
They still can t, to this day, clear the music video of TMBGITW, so obviously they still can't release a Greatest hits. The anthology is just a playlist.

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But what they release digitally
Reply #171 posted 01/11/19 12:44pm

feeluupp

3121 vinyl:



Reply #172 posted 01/11/19 12:44pm

feeluupp


Reply #173 posted 01/11/19 12:45pm

feeluupp


Reply #174 posted 01/11/19 12:45pm

feeluupp


Reply #175 posted 01/11/19 3:20pm

RODSERLING

Ouch!
Day one buy for me. I just bought a vinyl reader just for it.
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Funny they don t promote Cinnamon Girl in the sticker of the album ! Too controversial
Reply #176 posted 01/11/19 3:28pm

kookooman73

They look absolutely stunning. We must all agree on that. I read online that the purple vinyl isn’t one shade but marbled. Never understood why P let so many of his albums slide into obscurity where they could not be physically viewed or purchased. I think this year will be a bumper year for all of us with the reissues alone. 💜
Reply #177 posted 01/11/19 3:38pm

RODSERLING

And there is a booklet with the vinyl editions, that s great!
Reply #178 posted 01/11/19 3:40pm

ChocolateBox3121

feeluupp said:

3121 vinyl:



The 3121 movie should have been included in this new release. It would have been the ICING on the cake. Plus put the "Purple Party People" in a COMPLETE frenzy!.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #179 posted 01/12/19 7:22am

MIRvmn

They look really nice cool
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #180 posted 01/12/19 10:06am

luvsexy4all

princepissyfuckers.org

Reply #181 posted 01/12/19 11:14am

asideorderofham

If Eye Was the Man in Ur Life is the last track on side 3 of Musicology, and On the Couch starts side 4. That's going to sound awful unless they've gone back to the multi tracks and created a new mix.
Reply #182 posted 01/12/19 4:31pm

Rimshottbob

asideorderofham said:

If Eye Was the Man in Ur Life is the last track on side 3 of Musicology, and On the Couch starts side 4. That's going to sound awful unless they've gone back to the multi tracks and created a new mix.

Yeah, I thought that.

They've probably just faded out If Eye Was... in the jazzy part at the end. And cut On The Couch start neatly on its opening downbeat....

Fingers crossed!

Reply #183 posted 01/13/19 5:19am

Kares

RODSERLING said:

Ouch! Day one buy for me. I just bought a vinyl reader just for it. .

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You bought what? A VINYL READER? biggrin

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