bonatoc said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Christ it sold a million AND he got an $11m advance?! Rave unto the Bank fantastic!

didnt he get a million for GB and made 10 million? and still THATS a flop

databank said:

Flops don't sell a million copies...

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Flops don't sell a million copies...

On the Org they do. On the Org the only Prince album that wasn't a flop is Purple Rain.

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

I've googled it and it's consistant with what I could find from Ronan Ro's book: the single project was an afterthought at a point when things had already spiraled down to hell for the whole projects, circa March 2000. Ro is consistant with Interscope saying no, though. Releasing a promo single and promo video without their consent might have been possible, but Arista wasn't going to collaborate much anyway.

I disagree however with the fact that most artists didn't release physical singles in 1999/2000. Peer-to-peer filesharing was still a new practice, digital singles were non-existent, most people still had horribly slow dial connection and, record sales were at their historic peak and from what I recall, pretty much everything got a CD single.

Not in thé USA, and Gwen Stefani IS the perfect instance, hence the relevance or what I m saying here. . Don t Speak wasnt released in the Usa, but Was the best AirPlay hit of thé year. I could quote you many hits that weren t released physically from 1996 on... . Of course in Europe thé format subsisted until the mid-2000, but by 2000 It Was aS Dead as a doornail in thé US, beyond a few exceptions.

I didn't know that. In France very few people had the internet in 2000, and those few who did had slow dial. Admitedly the French goverment did everything it could to slow down the internet's development so we were slower than other European countries. We finally caught up and by 2005, most people had a DSL connection.

Another thing we didn't have (and probably still don't have) in Europe, at least again in France, is airplay charts. Our only charts was the Top 50 and it was based solely on sales (now of course streams are taken into account, too.

dodger said:

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

dodger said:

Opinions eh. But even though those songs you mention are covers, does it detract from your enjoyment? I agree with you on Anotherlove. . IIRC Prince made some comment on NPG online about Gwen Stefani's label blocking So Far So Pleased. Of course he could have been bullshitting. Or I could be imagining it [Edited 11/20/18 13:03pm]

It s a bummer to realize thé best tracks of a 36 songs triple album are only covers. . I think Prince réalized that, and that s why thé lead singles of Émancipation and Lotus Flower are covers, because his own material hadn t enough commercial appeal. . Each Time triple albums, each Time a cover as a lead single ! Sounds like an artistic failure. . I hâte When artists fill their studio albums With a cover. What s thé point, unless you are in dire need of a good track on your album? I Really Wonder what toi think IS better than One of US and Lalala...on Émancipation ? . And what IS honnestly better than Crimson and Clover in Lotus Flower ? Try to imagine, as I first thought, that It IS Prince own

As I say it's all opinions but I think there's a few tracks on Emancipation better than One Of Us and La, La, La Means I Love U. The likes of The Love We Make, The Holy River, Joint 2 Joint, My Computer, Somebody's Somebody etc

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On Lotusflow3r, I'd take Dreamer, $, Colonized Mind (some will say another cover!) before Crimson & Clover.

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As for Everyday Is A Winding Road being the best on Rave; I'd say its probably the opposite. It's not great and then Larry's vocals totally kill it (not it in a good way).

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The Greatest Romance (Jason Nevins Remix) got a LOT of airplay here in the UK but as you said the video was late and there was some fuck up with the single not being able to chart for some reason

databank said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Flops don't sell a million copies...

On the Org they do. On the Org the only Prince album that wasn't a flop is Purple Rain.

Exactly!

[Edited 11/21/18 2:51am]

How anyone can say the best songs on Emancipation are covers when it was The Love We Make and In this Bed Eye Scream is beyond me.

And Every Day is a Winding Road might (might) be the best song on Rave but it's the worst track, the Sheryl Crow version is a good track, Prince ruined the damn thing.

jaawwnn said:

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And Every Day is a Winding Road might (might) be the best song on Rave but it's the worst track, the Sheryl Crow version is a good track, Prince ruined the damn thing.

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rdhull said:

jaawwnn said:

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And Every Day is a Winding Road might (might) be the best song on Rave but it's the worst track, the Sheryl Crow version is a good track, Prince ruined the damn thing.

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Ye alright there?

jaawwnn said:

rdhull said:

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Ye alright there?

Im fine, I dont know about you tho lol

dodger said:

A collection of songs, some good some bad. But not an album I can listen to from start to end. Not a coherent album at all.

There are a lot of albums I prefer to the Rave album. Also recent ones like AOA and HitNrun 2.

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Regardless of the material, I consider it a flop. For the main reson was the year was 1999 and expectations were high, pre millenium tension (hi Tricks), and the year of his stratosphere taking song, I exected a more substantial statement of a release rather than what we received. I have connections to the culture with most releases since the online wolrd came to being, and the culture of Prince round the time and of this release was very critical. Folks were still licking their wounds of Crystal Bll and New Power Soul material. Thank god, allah or that butterfly over there that I got into I Love You But Dont...one of his best performances on wax imo. A few others were good as well. But the expectation of this being his seminal year, Rave, was a let down to me kind of. The tv performances, the pay per view was zzzz from what Ive seen of it (I stilll dont own it, I dont think lol, if I do for completis purposes, Ive never watched it). The album hype from Clive etc just made it more cheesy and a copy of Santana's pop phenomena to me. Maybe the influence of the online fandom influenced my feelings towards it unfarily.

BTW, regardless of whatever..it flopped. Hard..considering what the company etc expectations of it was.

rdhull said:

jaawwnn said:

Ye alright there?

Im fine, I dont know about you tho lol

You don't like the original? It's a done-very-well Sympathy for the Devil steal. Prince might have messed it up but it's still a good track underneath his mess.

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The only song from it that I don't like is "Baby Knows." "Everyday is a Winding Road" is okay I guess, but it sort of has a Mentos commercial vibe. I was a little disappointed with Chuck D's rap. Jettison the ""1-800-Newfunk Ad" and it's a damn solid late 90s album.

Not unfair at all...one of his worse album.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

databank said:

On the Org they do. On the Org the only Prince album that wasn't a flop is Purple Rain.

Exactly!

[Edited 11/21/18 2:51am]

ditto.

I love the way you always uphold your loyalty Chocolatebox3121 to the extraordinary being who is loving us all totally each and every day. Prince is still working his gorgeous butt off for us on the other side. Many of us can feel it.

I am often surprised by some of the posts on this site.

PRINCE'S MUSIC IS FUTURISTIC. HIS MUSIC IS HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY.

Our dearly beloved Prince was always telling us his life story chronologically through his music.

Rave was a kiss off to a certain ex. If one listens very carefully, it will tell you everything about the events in his life and where his head was at - and who did what.

Accept whatever he created as his divine gift. It has it's purpose in each of our lives, which each person will discover at the time that is right for them.

Rave is yet another of his poetic messages.

To Rave, I truly listen, embrace it and am honoured that it was shared.

RJOrion said:

Rave was like Musicology before Musicology... it went Gold, and at that time it was his best selling lp in a few years... musically, it wasnt his best and it wasnt his worst...somewhere right below the middle... the best of his worst and the worst of his best...

Nicely put.

iZsaZsa said:

RJOrion said:

Rave was like Musicology before Musicology... it went Gold, and at that time it was his best selling lp in a few years... musically, it wasnt his best and it wasnt his worst...somewhere right below the middle... the best of his worst and the worst of his best...

Nicely put.

In terms of looks, it wasn't watered down Prince though.
Musicology had this Parade Tour Without The Gomina feel.
In 1999 he was still doing splits (there's a cringeworthy moment in the DVD where he does splits in repeat),
but most of all he was over-the-top flamboyant, on the verge of being voted Smurf Guitarist Supreme®.

ballerinaL said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Exactly!

[Edited 11/21/18 2:51am]

ditto.

I love the way you always uphold your loyalty Chocolatebox3121 to the extraordinary being who is loving us all totally each and every day. Prince is still working his gorgeous butt off for us on the other side. Many of us can feel it.

I am often surprised by some of the posts on this site.

PRINCE'S MUSIC IS FUTURISTIC. HIS MUSIC IS HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY.

Our dearly beloved Prince was always telling us his life story chronologically through his music.

Rave was a kiss off to a certain ex. If one listens very carefully, it will tell you everything about the events in his life and where his head was at - and who did what.

Accept whatever he created as his divine gift. It has it's purpose in each of our lives, which each person will discover at the time that is right for them.

Rave is yet another of his poetic messages.

To Rave, I truly listen, embrace it and am honoured that it was shared.

jaawwnn said:

rdhull said:

Im fine, I dont know about you tho lol

You don't like the original? It's a done-very-well Sympathy for the Devil steal. Prince might have messed it up but it's still a good track underneath his mess.

[Edited 11/21/18 12:22pm]

Im kind of indifferent to Crows version but you said it was the best song on Rave.

This was the first Prince album that I gave away soon after I listened to it.

Very mixed feelings on this album and I havent really wavered on this album at all. Not crazy about it, I think my issue is the production its very clean and polished and artificial the album starts strong but goes down, not a fan of things like Man O War or Hot Wit U or Silly Game, on the other hand I Love you is one of his best. A flop? I mean it was a gold record and he was at that time still selling 500,000 copies which is great considering his age, the whole symbol thing, and also the fact that he did almost no PROMO here in the states or tour, it seemed again he lost interest in his own work.

TrevorAyer said:

Except for the most part he was planting the same seed in the same garden over and over

LIES!