No one has said ass-less pants.

I always really dug the way he lived his life and did things his own way, including the name change and everything else really. I respected him for it and always wished I was more like that. that brave and bold.

First thing I thought of though was his management (or lack thereof) of his internet endeavors and his websites. NPG Music Club had its moments but by and large his forays into internet commerce were frustrating, redundant, lacking in new material and very poorly managed and designed. Usually, it was frustrating, not very user friendly rehashed too much older material. Selling more ala carte songs and even full live sets or vault material directly to the consumer would have been preferred.

Along those same lines, a lot of combative tactics and attitudes towards his fans was handled poorly as well - even when he had a point. He could have nipped most of that stuff in the bud with a more proactive approach.

Going after teenage girls as a grown man in his 20's-30's... I know a lot of people here will defend it and see nothing wrong with it but I'll always think it was creepy. Especially considering that he knew them and more or less groomed them before they were legally adults. Even without that aspect, it's still weird for older dudes to jump straight to women who just hit adulthood, instead of looking for more experienced women in their own age range. That it was such a big part of the cliched 'rockstar lifestyle' isn't an excuse for it, either - it was gross when dudes like Jimmy Page, Gene Simmons, Bill Wyman, and Ted Nugent were doing it, too.

PeteSilas said:

dodger said:

NorthC said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, i used to hate people who criticized him for every move he did no matter what but I still think you don't have a career that long without doing something right. A lot of it was talent, a lot of it was faithful fans from the early years but a lot of it was Prince working his butt off, probably most of it was that. Where were his contemporaries all these years? MJ was fighting lawsuits most of the time, putting out a few albums, Boy George hadn't done anything in years, Rick James, before he died wasn't really doing anything, George Michael was falling out of cars and trying to off himself. I think Prince fared a lot better than the rest of the guys who he was sharing the charts with in those years.

Of course. But what I was trying to say was: what's the point of talking about what Prince may or may not have done wrong two years after his death? What's that going to change? Nothing.

well, from my perspective, i look at my heroes or the men i study, i try to look at what they did right and what they did wrong. a couple nights ago i was watching Muhammad Ali's debacle against a Japanese wrestler, it wasn't even a real fight, it was suppossed to be rehearsed but the Japanese have a way of setting up shit like this, the fight was to be real, so at the last minute, ali's people rightly got the rules changed even still, the wrestler landed dozens of kicks to ali's thighs, he ended up in the hospital with blood clots. I thought of how lucky ali really was there, ali, with all that heart would have let a wrestler tear him apart if his people hadn't straightened it out. The money was good i guess but it was nothing a great champion should have been a part of and outside of the money, it was a loss for everyone involved. Heroes make mistakes, ali said it best once "anyone can get lost, i just got lost" when speaking of why he fought past his prime.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

Throwing away his life after getting a 2nd chance in Moline.

don't you think he knew his days were numbered though? I do. I think in some ways he was totally resigned to it.

I really don't know why he thought his days were numbered though? IMO he was given a 2nd chance of life and some people take those 2nd chances and make changes. We'll never know if he actually wanted to meet with the rehab people or his crew just set it up in hopes that he would. I would love to have that questioned answered.

databank said:

PennyPurple said:

No, no. According to Tyka his favorite color was orange.

It loses all meaning if it isn't written correctly.

[Edited 11/13/18 12:32pm]

In fact the exact sentence is: "According to Tyka it was orange"

Ahh, yes. I had forgotten what I wrote!

To me, if it's a question of an artistic miscalcuation -- since I don't feel qualified to judge his personal life -- I would probably say releasing Lovesexy instead of The Black Album. This choice was clearly a fulcrum in his development. Lovesexy has passionate defenders, but I'm not one of them. I feel this is the album where Prince began to lose a sense of freedom in his craftsmanship. The music feels somewhat studied and not spontaneous. The lyrics are unfocused, or, contradictorily, too focused on abstraction. Whereas the Black Album, while not perfect, is a gem. I wonder if Prince had continued in this vein if his music would have been much more grounded and socially provocative in his next phase.

[Edited 11/13/18 19:57pm]

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

don't you think he knew his days were numbered though? I do. I think in some ways he was totally resigned to it.

I really don't know why he thought his days were numbered though? IMO he was given a 2nd chance of life and some people take those 2nd chances and make changes. We'll never know if he actually wanted to meet with the rehab people or his crew just set it up in hopes that he would. I would love to have that questioned answered.

ya, there are just so many inconsistencies that it's impossible to tell where his head really was but wasn't that always the man? I actually thought he committed suicide for a long time but now I'm not so sure. Him being so strung out that he couldn't help himself is the hardest thing in the world to believe, not just on a discipline level but on an intelligence level, when you actually have access to other sources, why go back and use something that almost killled you before? Prince was so deceptive that it's hard to know, his words to judith about it was a minor accident or that he couldn't stop because his hands hurt, it looks like he might have been the last person he decieved in his lifetime. Was and is hard to accept, sometimes i still vascillate over whether he intended to die or not but I really don't know. However, as I've said before, the soul knows what's coming, the songs he wrote in those last years were his goodbyes. All great artists have them, buddy holly (I guess it doesn't matter anymore), sam cooke (a change is gonna come), elvis(way down which was on the charts when he died, as well as hurt, and to a lesser degree, burning love and a few others)Johnny Cash (hurt). They know what's coming and maybe it can't be changed, maybe fate is fate, maybe he'd have died on that night no matter what. I hate to think of it in those terms but there is a lot more to life than what many of us are aware of.

PennyPurple said:

Throwing away his life after getting a 2nd chance in Moline.

not realizing that God gave him a 2nd chance

luvsexy4all said:

PennyPurple said:

Throwing away his life after getting a 2nd chance in Moline.

not realizing that God gave him a 2nd chance

So true.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Tyka said orange was his favorite color

No, no. According to Tyka his favorite color was orange.

It loses all meaning if it isn't written correctly.

[Edited 11/13/18 12:32pm]

lol

I cannot always follow the crowd lol

sro100 said:

His biggest misstep?

All opinion, of course.

I'd say the movie "Graffiti Bridge;" may have been.

Y'all?

Not controlling how his work is (ab)used after death.

Thousands profit on his work. The 'money minders' won. Artistically, I can't fault anyone willing to grow and change like Prince did.

I heard he didn't pay some employees. That's a real miscalculation.

Not letting Weird Al Yankovic parody his songs...

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

Not letting Weird Al Yankovic parody his songs...

lol oh hell noooo

NorthC said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, i used to hate people who criticized him for every move he did no matter what but I still think you don't have a career that long without doing something right. A lot of it was talent, a lot of it was faithful fans from the early years but a lot of it was Prince working his butt off, probably most of it was that. Where were his contemporaries all these years? MJ was fighting lawsuits most of the time, putting out a few albums, Boy George hadn't done anything in years, Rick James, before he died wasn't really doing anything, George Michael was falling out of cars and trying to off himself. I think Prince fared a lot better than the rest of the guys who he was sharing the charts with in those years.

Of course. But what I was trying to say was: what's the point of talking about what Prince may or may not have done wrong two years after his death? What's that going to change? Nothing.

If you're not interested you need not respond. I could really care less what you think about my post. Don't respond or find a place where, two years after his death, people are only allowed to talk about Prince subjects that you approve of first.

If you want to change things, get the f off here and go do something.

wonderboy said:

Not doing the Sign of the Times tour in the US.

I saw it in the U.S. of A. at Ruperts baby!

To the people bringing up his health... you guys miss the point of miscalcuation.

Go deeper into his actually musical career

OldFriends4Sale said:

To the people bringing up his health... you guys miss the point of miscalcuation.

Go deeper into his actually musical career

Exactly.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Trusting the wrong ass people.

yes!

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

Not letting Weird Al Yankovic parody his songs...

lol oh hell noooo

Did you forget that weird Al was the bomb back in the day?

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

NorthC said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, i used to hate people who criticized him for every move he did no matter what but I still think you don't have a career that long without doing something right. A lot of it was talent, a lot of it was faithful fans from the early years but a lot of it was Prince working his butt off, probably most of it was that. Where were his contemporaries all these years? MJ was fighting lawsuits most of the time, putting out a few albums, Boy George hadn't done anything in years, Rick James, before he died wasn't really doing anything, George Michael was falling out of cars and trying to off himself. I think Prince fared a lot better than the rest of the guys who he was sharing the charts with in those years.

Of course. But what I was trying to say was: what's the point of talking about what Prince may or may not have done wrong two years after his death? What's that going to change? Nothing.

What was it going to change before?

There were some idiots creating a new "Prince is over and done" thread every week for years when Prince was alive. Clearly they expected Prince to read those threads and suddenly go all "oh my God they're right, I'm gonna stop doing what I do and start recording SOTT, Pt. II immediately". Nonsense.

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

I really don't know why he thought his days were numbered though? IMO he was given a 2nd chance of life and some people take those 2nd chances and make changes. We'll never know if he actually wanted to meet with the rehab people or his crew just set it up in hopes that he would. I would love to have that questioned answered.

As much as there are heaps and heaps of stuff that we dont appreciate about the associates and how stuff was handled. They did send for Kornfeld and he did come Help was almost there. They were getting help whether he agreed or not they called for help.

someone got the pills for him, i'm sure, the ones who were afraid to speak, there was kirk, phaedra and who else? Meron spoke even though she may have been shady too. most of the people were fairly open, hard to believe it when people said they had no idea of how addicted he was as if that absolves them of guilt.