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Thread started 11/09/18 9:17am

jdcxc

3121 is Criminally Underrated

I have been relistening to some of Prince’s “lesser work” under a new lens following his death. The album 3121 is brilliant. An amazing potpourri of sensual jams, funky beats and great musical songwriting. At the time of its release, myself and a lot of the Org, unfairly highlighted a few criticisms (lyrics, production, single choices) that overshadowed the strengths.

3121, Black Sweat, Love, Fury, Satisfied, Get on The Boat, The Dance are all Grade A Prince material.

This album is criminally underrated...your thoughts?
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Reply #1 posted 11/09/18 9:23am

langebleu

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The impression I formed around the time was that lots of people here (and elsewhere) thought it was a very strong album.

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Reply #2 posted 11/09/18 9:37am

Empress

I have always loved this album, especially The Dance!

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Reply #3 posted 11/09/18 9:52am

PURPLEIZED3121

can't beleive I hated this album when it 1st came out!

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Reply #4 posted 11/09/18 9:52am

pinkcashmere23

Great album! I was obsessed with it when it first came out and I still love it!

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Reply #5 posted 11/09/18 10:16am

jdcxc

langebleu said:

The impression I formed around the time was that lots of people here (and elsewhere) thought it was a very strong album.



I recall heavy criticism of the album versions of Fury, Love and The Dance which disappointed fans who had heard other versions. The choice of Te Amo as the first single bothered the Org. And for some reason, the Org hated Get on the Boat...I always loved this jam and have been looking for the live Brooklyn version he suprised a Maceo concert crowd with.

After such a long relationship with Prince, in his later career, The Org began to overemphasized the criticisms (some valid) and held back on the genuis...imho
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Reply #6 posted 11/09/18 12:52pm

StrangeButTrue

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Love the drums on Lolita cool great press play album from the later years, I prefer this to Lotusflow3r though they kinda work well together.

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Reply #7 posted 11/09/18 1:05pm

onlyforaminute

Loved it.

"You want to know your biggest fault? You don’t keep true accounts: you put a high value on what you’ve given, a low value on what you’ve received."

- Seneca, On Anger 3.31.3
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Reply #8 posted 11/09/18 1:30pm

TKO

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Sorry that title goes to 20TEN.

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Reply #9 posted 11/09/18 1:35pm

TrevorAyer

pass .. that one is ruff

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Reply #10 posted 11/09/18 1:56pm

Dalia11

Great album. Those numbers add to 7 signifying spirituality. His birthday was 7. One of his songs was titled 7.
People with a #7 birthday are: critical, perfectionistic, like to make their own decisions, fond of learning, are enigmatic, aloof, idealistic, honest, psychic, scientific minded, rational, reflective, can be ruthless.
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Reply #11 posted 11/09/18 4:05pm

kingricefan

Loved it when I first heard it, love it now. It's a great album.

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Reply #12 posted 11/09/18 4:19pm

Whiskas31

I think it's Prince's last great Prince like album (in terms of sound and structure). With the exception of a few great songs here and there, the subsequent albums felt like Prince had run out of steam.

Despite the excellent songwriting, I think 3121 falls short in its "soft" production, Fury being a notable example. The amazing guitar playing in that song just seemed to disappear on the album version, where it stood out in live versions.

[Edited 11/9/18 16:20pm]

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Reply #13 posted 11/09/18 4:22pm

rayfeb09

3121 is one of my favorites, one of the top 7.

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Reply #14 posted 11/09/18 6:08pm

bonatoc

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TKO said:

Sorry that title goes to 20TEN.


Absolutamentamundo.

3121 has always been held in high esteem.
20Ten has been totally overlooked, but that's the trouble with putting out an album a year. Or distributing an album through a newspaper: the buzz was apparently more interesting than the album's content.

It's a keeper, no doubt. If only for this gem.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #15 posted 11/09/18 6:35pm

Dalia11

rayfeb09 said:

3121 is one of my favorites, one of the top 7.


Amen!
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Reply #16 posted 11/09/18 7:16pm

darlingnikkkki

I’m guilty as charged then as I never cared for the album other than the song Black Sweat.
"I want to be the only one you come for...."
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Reply #17 posted 11/09/18 7:26pm

rdhull

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It’s not and has never been underrated
Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
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Reply #18 posted 11/10/18 1:19am

dodger

I recall it being fairly well received on here.

Biggest complaints seemed to be the choice of Te Amo Corazon as the first single. And the album version of Fury not being as good as the SNL version.
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Reply #19 posted 11/10/18 2:07am

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Massively overrated IMO, apart from the odd good tracks it was really an example of him following rather than setting trends. It just had more publicity and promotion but content wise it was a let down, I also didn't like the 'airless' plasticy production that dogged some of his late 90s to mid 00's work. For example the live versions of Black Sweat and Fury that he later performed are a million times better sounding than what was on this album. Fury on the album sounds dull and lifeless in comparison.

Love' was ruined by the repeptitive sitar sound, he was just trying to fit in with RnB trends for many songs.

I personally think Planet Earth, Loutusflow3r and MPLSound were much, much better in terms of originality, sound quality and content.

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Reply #20 posted 11/10/18 4:00am

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Meh, it was really rather ordinary. Considering the backlash he received for Rave back in 99, it was actually rather strange to see fans glowing about 3121, which is an infinitely inferior record when you compare the two.

Eye Love U But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore, The Greatest Romance, Wherever U Go Whatever U Do and Man O War >> Anything on 3121.

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Reply #21 posted 11/10/18 1:19pm

RJOrion

i play this lp less than any Prince lp other than Planet Earth...and Chelsea Rogers is better than anything on 3121...
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Reply #22 posted 11/10/18 1:40pm

babynoz

I loved 3121 immediately and it's still in my top 5. I recall a lot of critics here on the org who panned the album and dragged Prince for doing a Vegas residency during the 3121 era so I'm not sure where all of this revisionism is coming from. It was better received by the public generally than by people on this site.

I'm glad that people here are giving themselves a chance to rediscover some really brilliant work. Sadly, I think it happens a lot when an artist passes. I wish the estate would release the videos from that era instead of stuff that most of us already have, *sigh*.

Nice to see Langebleu. cool

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Reply #23 posted 11/10/18 1:42pm

bonatoc

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MattyJam said:

Meh, it was really rather ordinary. Considering the backlash he received for Rave back in 99, it was actually rather strange to see fans glowing about 3121, which is an infinitely inferior record when you compare the two.

Eye Love U But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore, The Greatest Romance, Wherever U Go Whatever U Do and Man O War >> Anything on 3121.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #24 posted 11/10/18 1:49pm

pandemoniun6

Love this album though some songs suffer from the usual prince overproduction tendency. The acoustic version of love is amazing as well.
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Reply #25 posted 11/10/18 2:44pm

bonatoc

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pandemoniun6 said:

Love this album though some songs suffer from the usual prince overproduction tendency. The acoustic version of love is amazing as well.


Overproduction my ass.
Get yourself a GOOD audio system and give it a full spin, start to finish, no cheating.
It's overdubs galore buried in the mix.

There's more to life than 1986, you demon.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #26 posted 11/10/18 2:44pm

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3121 I never liked this album sad

Musicology is a lot better imho... cool

At least this album had some strong single releases.

Ok Black Sweat is strong as well, but ??? Te Amo what a.... crappy song for a lead single, and Fury is also weak and formulaic imho..


No name calling please lets agree to disagree.. Musicology is not a masterpiece, but ok and solid imho: 7/10


3121 gets 4 or 5/ 10, and that is even being too kind, maybe -- 4/10 is too high a score..

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Reply #27 posted 11/10/18 2:46pm

thedance

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wow people are really sensitive, above.. - I am gonna get spanked now, because I don't like this album at all.. sad

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Reply #28 posted 11/10/18 2:48pm

bonatoc

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thedance said:

wow people are really sensitive, above.. - I am gonna get spanked now, because I don't like this album at all.. sad


Get your tushy over here, My Dear.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #29 posted 11/10/18 2:51pm

bonatoc

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thedance said:

3121 I never liked this album sad

Musicology is a lot better imho... cool

At least this album had some strong single releases.

Ok Black Sweat is strong as well, but ??? Te Amo what a.... crappy song for a lead single, and Fury is also weak and formulaic imho..


No name calling please lets agree to disagree.. Musicology is not a masterpiece, but ok and solid imho: 7/10


3121 gets 4 or 5/ 10, and that is even being too kind, maybe -- 4/10 is too high a score..




Weak?



The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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