I was just sad that Prince never got around to get alternative treatment for pain away from pill form. More spirituality. The other part of me realizes that he physically beat himself up during the early years dancing. I just wish he would have made it that night and got help but it is what it is. I hate pain meds and really believe all the stuff out there is the government way to well...you know.

Mumio said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

his lead off sentence:I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women

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Prince didn't lie to me or any of us. It was not our business. And who didn't know about his intimate relationships with women?

I think people are addressing that part because it was Prince's life.
I'm reminded of how people responded to Robin Williams suicide. Accusing him of not being honest or brave or some other terms.

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People have written supportive posts.

This person feels the way they feel and there is no reason not to show SOME compassion for him/her. The majority of posts seem aimed to make them feel more like shit than they already do.

This is what the op said:

So fuck him for being a liar. One day we will learn the truth about why so many women came and went in his life. They probably knew he was a tiny phoney and was condescending. He truly had the Napolean Complex.

So basically, FUCK the op. Compassion my ass....

ya, i don't get what women has to do with the subject.

It should be noted that OP has been on theorg since 2013 but has only posted on this thread.

PeteSilas said:

ya, i don't get what women has to do with the subject.

Neither do I, but maybe certain stories by certain women, that have been made now he is no longer here to reply (many stories btw where the only other witness is no longer with us) have been taken as objective & agenda free, stone cold fact, with no questions asked. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen it on purple online spaces post '16.

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I will just say if Princewas a drug addict all these years he kept his voice better than most.

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As for his personal life- I am glad he kept his private life and led a life in public for his image. I have no qualms. Ijust realize what he allowed the public to see is what he wanted seen. He was a genius on all levels.

Mumio said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

his lead off sentence:I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women

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Prince didn't lie to me or any of us. It was not our business. And who didn't know about his intimate relationships with women?

I think people are addressing that part because it was Prince's life.
I'm reminded of how people responded to Robin Williams suicide. Accusing him of not being honest or brave or some other terms.

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People have written supportive posts.

This person feels the way they feel and there is no reason not to show SOME compassion for him/her. The majority of posts seem aimed to make them feel more like shit than they already do.

idk, the op says emotional things, then takes a dig at Prince in the same breath

So fuck him for being a liar. One day we will learn the truth about why so many women came and went in his life. They probably knew he was a tiny phoney and was condescending. He truly had the Napolean Complex.

But I love him because he is my brother. Spiritually I connected with him.

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and #49 So many of his lyrics were telling us how to get through this life. Humility was a trait that I guess Prince didn't have.

Prince during his 1999 CNN Interview with Larry King:

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Larry King: "Do you think any part of a famous person's private life is our business? Do you think your marriage is our business?"

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Prince: "Well, you know, I'm like this - my music is my music, that's pretty much what you come to the party for. If I give you something else, that's me giving you something. If you seek something else, then that's something that's lacking inside of you, I would think. So, I think that "personal" actually means personal."

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Larry King: "But, do you wonder why the public wants to know?"

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Prince: (shakes head) "No"

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Larry King: "Don't wonder?"

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Prince: "No"

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Larry King: "Are YOU interested in the personal lives of other celebrities?"

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Prince: "Hmm, let's see...Michael Jordan..."

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Larry King: "Yeah, you're a big fan of Michael Jordan's. Are you interested in how his marriage goes?"

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Prince: "Nope"

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Larry King: " Are you interested in how he gets along with his children?"

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Prince: "Nope. I'm just interested in how he gets along with that rim".

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Larry King: (laughing with Prince) "Well said"

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....and there we have it. From the man himself

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FUNKNROLL said:

TweetyV6 said:

JW Doctrine was the wood, the lining and the nails to his coffin.

And it was his choice. He was entitled to be a flawed human being seeking answers and spiritual guidance over a lifetime full of changes and contradictions.

Change is the only constant. I mean that in the scientific, Second Law of Thermodynamics way, not the bumper sticker philosophy way.

Change would occur in the universe whether or not life existed to percieve it. Fearing change is the way of the coward, not the seeker.

There are no condradictions in life. Contradictions happen only when humans chose to live a fantasy and set up ideals that are unattainable. Contradiction doesn't exist unless life forms misunderstnd what they're experiencing. Spirituality is not necessary to experience wonder. Spirituality is the way people who lack curiousity describe the universe that they're too lazy to get out of their own heads and investigate. "I don't know what I'm looking at, but it's overwhelming. Therefore, MAGIC."

Answers and guidance don't come from being intellectually lazy. Do the actual work.

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violetcrush said:

Prince during his 1999 CNN Interview with Larry King:

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Larry King: "Do you think any part of a famous person's private life is our business? Do you think your marriage is our business?"

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Prince: "Well, you know, I'm like this - my music is my music, that's pretty much what you come to the party for. If I give you something else, that's me giving you something. If you seek something else, then that's something that's lacking inside of you, I would think. So, I think that "personal" actually means personal."

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Larry King: "But, do you wonder why the public wants to know?"

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Prince: (shakes head) "No"

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Larry King: "Don't wonder?"

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Prince: "No"

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Larry King: "Are YOU interested in the personal lives of other celebrities?"

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Prince: "Hmm, let's see...Michael Jordan..."

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Larry King: "Yeah, you're a big fan of Michael Jordan's. Are you interested in how his marriage goes?"

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Prince: "Nope"

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Larry King: " Are you interested in how he gets along with his children?"

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Prince: "Nope. I'm just interested in how he gets along with that rim".

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Larry King: (laughing with Prince) "Well said"

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....and there we have it. From the man himself

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Prince didn't owe us an explanation of what was going on in his life.

The man gave us 38 years of his life and his art. He worked his ass off to entertain us and brought us along on his journey

Expecting artists to live their lives to OUR STANDARDS and doing what we want them to do is unfair to them as artists and human beings. Maybe THAT is why he was taking pills so he felt pressure from fans to perform at a certain level

Instead of that, we all need to be telling him thank you in our own individual ways

I understand, Prince was heroic, absolutely heroic. He set that heroic standard himself, and he fulfilled almost all of it. Anyone ever see the movie "cool hand luke" in it, Luke does all kinds of superhuman feats and he has to keep upping the ante, before you know it, the fun is gone and he's exhaused, but, it's too late, the other prisoners believe so much in him that he can't back out. When he finally does break, they shun and spurn him. Kinda the same dynamic.

purplefam99 said:

1725topp said:

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You are correct. The Rainbow Children caused a lot of Prince's fans to feel betrayed that he was openly embracing orthodox religion as well as a more Afrocentric view of life. Of course, I never understood those people who were floored or surprised by Prince becoming a JW or embracing a more orthodox approach to religion. If one had been paying attention to even his earliest work, one would have known that becoming more orthodox in his approach was a possibility, given that he had always worked within the structure of the Abrahamic or Judeo-Christian framework. Also, I think that early works, like Around the World in a Day, should have signified to most the way that it signified to me that Prince was so creative and such his own person that a time may come when he does something that I just don't like. And, when that time finally arrived, HitnRun Phase 1, it was no big deal to me because I think it's somewhat foolish to think that I'm going to like or be moved by everything that another human being produces. That type of expectation just doesn't make sense. So, the fact that I have enjoyed the vast majority of Prince's work is much greater than the disappointments, and take joy in that...well, that, and the fact that I don't have to listen to HitnRun Phase 1.

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And, there is the notion that someone else--not you--on this thread said that Prince could be preachy. The truth is that Prince was ALWAYS preachy; it's just that later in his life, when he became more orthodox, it wasn't that Prince was preachy that bothered some folks. It was his position that bothered them. And, of course, folks have a right to disagree with their favorite artist's various positions, but they should, at least, be honest that it's not that he was preachy that bothers them but that he was not preaching what they believe.

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And, I guess all of this brings me to the OP, or my inability to understand the OP's sorrow. My parents taught me from childhood that people, no matter how talented they are, are not perfect; they are just people. So, we enjoy what we like from them and ignore the rest, unless they are engaged in something that promotes harm to others. So, I appreciate you consoling the OP. I should have more heart. But, I just can't fathom that someone could feel betrayed that another human being is just human.

i agree with your comments.^^

i guess it can be viewed as consoling. The OP said they had a visit to PP as recent as this past Sunday, perhaps they are just opening the door to mourning. i was just offering up the same opportunity to the OP to be

human as we have offered to Prince. i can't control the OP's feelings, nor could i P's but i do

recognize they both deserve the " hey i am human". i can't favor P with humanity and deny that to the OP. i offer P humanity no matter his motives regarding women, church and music, i do the same on this thread. As long

as the feeling of betrayal and the actuality of it aren't confused, then i think feelings are feelings

and usually fade with time. Your ability to say "i should have more heart" is you being

human and i appreciate that.

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You are correct that, if I'm willing to extend to Prince the courtesy of what it means to be human, then I should do the same of others, even when I don't quite understand their position. As such, this is also what I appreciate most about your comments on this site--that you are always willing to provide insight and caring rather than ridicule.

OldFriends4Sale said:

idk, the op says emotional things, then takes a dig at Prince in the same breath

So fuck him for being a liar. One day we will learn the truth about why so many women came and went in his life. They probably knew he was a tiny phoney and was condescending. He truly had the Napolean Complex.

But I love him because he is my brother. Spiritually I connected with him.

Yes, and when someone else pointed it out, I did respond in another post that we could have done without that bit. Just made me think the poster was lashing out. Maybe the poster is just trolling to get a rise out of people, but maybe they are young or have a problem and don't express themselves appropriately. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened here

Whatever, people in general are just getting meaner and more intolerant of other people as we move on. You can see it clearly on most social media sites. Sign of the times I guess.

Mumio said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

idk, the op says emotional things, then takes a dig at Prince in the same breath

So fuck him for being a liar. One day we will learn the truth about why so many women came and went in his life. They probably knew he was a tiny phoney and was condescending. He truly had the Napolean Complex.

But I love him because he is my brother. Spiritually I connected with him.

Yes, and when someone else pointed it out, I did respond in another post that we could have done without that bit. Just made me think the poster was lashing out. Maybe the poster is just trolling to get a rise out of people, but maybe they are young or have a problem and don't express themselves appropriately. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened here

Whatever, people in general are just getting meaner and more intolerant of other people as we move on. You can see it clearly on most social media sites. Sign of the times I guess.

I noticed it happens with the change of seasons and moons

I think a lot of people here, myself included, are just being straightforward. This is mild to what may happen in the real world.

djchitown said:

Yes he owed all of truth since that is what he preached. Also as a JW he was to be held at a higher standard than you or I.

That is your arrogance, not Prince's truth. Truth doesn't equal lack of privacy. He told you what he wanted to share, and that's all he had to do. It's pretty rich for you to come here and act like you're the end all and be all of being owed something when you have never posted anything at all before. I'd say your arrogance is what needs to be checked here, not Prince's life. Sit down, Felicia.

TrivialPursuit said:

djchitown said:

Yes he owed all of truth since that is what he preached. Also as a JW he was to be held at a higher standard than you or I.

That is your arrogance, not Prince's truth. Truth doesn't equal lack of privacy. He told you what he wanted to share, and that's all he had to do. It's pretty rich for you to come here and act like you're the end all and be all of being owed something when you have never posted anything at all before. I'd say your arrogance is what needs to be checked here, not Prince's life. Sit down, Felicia.

djchitown: I think you are a bit confused. When Prince spoke about "the truth" with regard to JW, he was referring to what he believes with regard to Christianity - it had NOTHING to do with the details of his personal life.

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JW beliefs are different than mainstream Christian beliefs. They believe that other religious factions have "lied" to their followers, and the truth is found in their interpretation of the Bible and what they believe about God and Christ. Hence, Prince saying, "perhaps someone lied about the way someone died", before he sang "The Christ", which was originally titled "The Cross".

RJP1205 said:

djchitown said:

Yes JWs are held to a higher standard. I have studied with JWs for 3 years and was an Unbaptized Publisher. JWs don't baptize babies. A person must be intelligent enough to understand that he is entering into a covenant with God. One must either be faithful in marriage or be single and celibate in order to be baptized. If a person is actively engaging in sex or even doing things questionable with a woman like having her spend the night with him at his place, then he will be reprimanded by the JWs. JWs are very protective over Jehovah's Earthly Organization. They will not allow people to act like those in Christendom and sin at night and ask for forgiveness every morning and think that Jehovah approves.

If you love someone and they kill themselves without ever telling you that they are hurting then you and I have the right to be angry with that person. Especially if you felt that the always loved that person unconditionally. They (HE) owed the right to surrender his life into the hands of the Elders of his Hall and inform them that he can't manage his life any longer. As Christians we surrender to God and tell him that we are weak and can't do his will without the assistance of others. That is why we have churches and Kingdom Halls, etc... so that others will surround God's children and offer assistance and protection.

Prince told us "Don't Let the Elevator Bring You Down." So many of his lyrics were telling us how to get through this life. Humility was a trait that I guess Prince didn't have.

Hey DJChiTown, check out yahoo yesterday, Watchtower $35million lawsuit and remind me again how JW's are deserving of a higher standard.

djchitown: JW operates in much the same way as a Cult operation. They pursue folowers who are vulnerable and/or not highly educated. They discourage members from education beyond a highscholl level. There has been controversy about this organization throughout history, and even within the group ittself:

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"Disagreement with the Watch Tower Society's concept of God's organization figured prominently in events that led to a 1980 purge of high-level members at the group's Brooklyn headquarters. A summary by a Governing Body committee of "wrong teachings" being promoted as "new understandings" included the suggestion that God did not have an organization on earth.[57] Former Governing Body member Raymond Franz, who was expelled as part of the purge, subsequently criticized the Watch Tower concept of organization,[58] claiming the concept—which posits that God does not deal with individuals apart from an organization—has no scriptural support and serves only to reinforce the group's authority structure, with its strong emphasis on human authority.[59] He also claimed that The Watchtower has repeatedly blurred discussions of both Jesus Christ's loyalty to God and the apostles' loyalty to Christ to promote the view that Witnesses should be loyal to the Watch Tower Society.[60]Sociologist Andrew Holden has observed that Witnesses see no distinction between loyalty to Jehovah and to the movement itself,[61] and other researchers have claimed that challenging the views of those higher up the hierarchical ladder is regarded as tantamount to challenging God himself.[62]"

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"Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to make their preaching work the top priority in their life. Higher education is discouraged,[197][198] based on their belief that it is futile to plan for secular advancement in a world that faces imminent destruction, as well as fears about succumbing to "worldly thinking" and concerns that advanced education might lead to a lack of humility or involvement in immorality.[199][200][201] Because evangelistic activities take priority over educational success, young Witnesses rarely progress to college or university,[202] which Holden describes as a source of regret in subsequent years among those who are raised in the organization and later choose to leave.[202] Watch Tower Society publications advise parents to recommend alternatives to university education for their children, suggesting associate degrees from community or technical colleges or short courses in subjects such as office administration, automotive repair, computing, or hairdressing. They urge young Witnesses to pursue higher education only to gain skills to obtain a reasonable living while maintaining flexibility to pursue their "true" vocation, serving God.[203] Author James Penton's major study of the Witnesses, Apocalypse Delayed, noted that of those Witnesses who do progress to university, few are likely to take studies in such areas as the humanities and the social sciences, "disciplines that are most threatening to the Witness world-view".[204]"

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You seem to be of the assumption that Prince killed himeslf based on your comments above. Where has it been confirmed that Prince killed himself? The confirmed cause of death was "accidental overdose" NOT suicide.

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should there be a new sections...bait threads ....crack threads....

RJP1205 said:

So I deleted my message but it was captured...my apologies Mumio, I rethought my comment because it wasn't nice. I would like to explain myself: the OP came across to me as the type of JW zealot I've dealt with my whole life. I was born into a JW family, my earliest memories are always being afraid of not being good enough. I tried to be perfect or God wouldn't save me on judgement day. As a teen I fell in love with a non-JW...I was told by an elder that my prayers were no longer heard by God and I was kicked out, on my own as a child. I tried to keep attending the KH but I was no longer accepted and not included in any events, even important family events. Eventually I stopped going. As an adult I wanted to salvage my relationship with God and started reading the Bible on my own. I learned of Gods love & mercy to ALL and regained my faith. My whole life prior to this was focused on Gods judgement. The same judgment I see from the OP. Also as an adult I found out things that went on in the KH that were swept under the rug & hidden depending on who you are. I have a lot of hurt from my childhood and even as an adult a dysfunctional relationship with my parents and siblings who will not speak to me because I don't attend the KH. Despite the fact that I have stronger faith now than I ever did then. That's my quick version of my long story...as for Prince, I quit following him when I heard he became a JW...I couldn't believe he could be part of them, but he was. I often wondered if he felt fear of being abandoned by God like I did...but I hope his earlier faith in a loving God kept him from that fear. After he died I couldn't get him off my mind and rekindled my love for his music...and here I am. Although to this day, I have never listened to TRC. 💜

Thank you for sharing your story RJP1205. Wow, you have gone through quite an emotional rollercoaster. Your personal experience is indicative of the very restrictive nature of organized religiious factions such as JW, Scientology and others. It's very sad that you were shunned by your family, which sadly, is typical reprecussion within these cultures, but it's great that you were able to find your own path in life and with your faith on your own terms.

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Regarding Prince and his decision to become a JW - I think his grief and vulnerability just after his son's death along with the influence of his friend Larry Graham at the time, who would have been witnessing to him about the JW beliefs, were two big factors in his choice to convert. Prince would have been extremely vulnerable during that time, and I would imagine he was looking for help and answers of some kind, and he turned to Larry for help. My thought is that he may have perceived his son's death as a sign from God or a "punishment" for any of his prior actions/behaviors that he thought were sinful. Just a theory, but others have stated that he would see events or cocurences in his life as signs from God. I think those who have always questioned faith and believed in God are more easily persuaded to conert to groups like JW.

violetcrush said:

RJP1205 said:

So I deleted my message but it was captured...my apologies Mumio, I rethought my comment because it wasn't nice. I would like to explain myself: the OP came across to me as the type of JW zealot I've dealt with my whole life. I was born into a JW family, my earliest memories are always being afraid of not being good enough. I tried to be perfect or God wouldn't save me on judgement day. As a teen I fell in love with a non-JW...I was told by an elder that my prayers were no longer heard by God and I was kicked out, on my own as a child. I tried to keep attending the KH but I was no longer accepted and not included in any events, even important family events. Eventually I stopped going. As an adult I wanted to salvage my relationship with God and started reading the Bible on my own. I learned of Gods love & mercy to ALL and regained my faith. My whole life prior to this was focused on Gods judgement. The same judgment I see from the OP. Also as an adult I found out things that went on in the KH that were swept under the rug & hidden depending on who you are. I have a lot of hurt from my childhood and even as an adult a dysfunctional relationship with my parents and siblings who will not speak to me because I don't attend the KH. Despite the fact that I have stronger faith now than I ever did then. That's my quick version of my long story...as for Prince, I quit following him when I heard he became a JW...I couldn't believe he could be part of them, but he was. I often wondered if he felt fear of being abandoned by God like I did...but I hope his earlier faith in a loving God kept him from that fear. After he died I couldn't get him off my mind and rekindled my love for his music...and here I am. Although to this day, I have never listened to TRC. 💜

Thank you for sharing your story RJP1205. Wow, you have gone through quite an emotional rollercoaster. Your personal experience is indicative of the very restrictive nature of organized religiious factions such as JW, Scientology and others. It's very sad that you were shunned by your family, which sadly, is typical reprecussion within these cultures, but it's great that you were able to find your own path in life and with your faith on your own terms.

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Regarding Prince and his decision to become a JW - I think his grief and vulnerability just after his son's death along with the influence of his friend Larry Graham at the time, who would have been witnessing to him about the JW beliefs, were two big factors in his choice to convert. Prince would have been extremely vulnerable during that time, and I would imagine he was looking for help and answers of some kind, and he turned to Larry for help. My thought is that he may have perceived his son's death as a sign from God or a "punishment" for any of his prior actions/behaviors that he thought were sinful. Just a theory, but others have stated that he would see events or cocurences in his life as signs from God. I think those who have always questioned faith and believed in God are more easily persuaded to conert to groups like JW.

didja eva think he joined because of his addiction??? remember MJ did also

djchitown said:

I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women I went to PP on Sunday. I understand that he had to lie about so much of what he was doing because he would have been disassociated from the Jehovah Witnesses organization. But does anyone know when was the last time he visited a Kingdom Hall? Also is there a transcript of the interview that the police had with Larry Graham?

What intimate relationships with women are you referring to?

And what was he doing that he had to lie about?

Sounds like you were living in PP or around him 24/7 to know all that...hhhmmm

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djchitown said:

people sometimes join the JW's because of addiction

coldasice said:

djchitown said:

I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women I went to PP on Sunday. I understand that he had to lie about so much of what he was doing because he would have been disassociated from the Jehovah Witnesses organization. But does anyone know when was the last time he visited a Kingdom Hall? Also is there a transcript of the interview that the police had with Larry Graham?

He visited in March. He owes you nothing...chill out Stan.

You go there? (the KH he went to)? Also wonder why the Police have a photo of a Christain Bible on his vanity/desk/table and not a JW Bible??? hhhhmmmm

coldasice said:

djchitown said:

I feel hurt and betrayed that he lied to us about his addiction and intimate relationships with women I went to PP on Sunday. I understand that he had to lie about so much of what he was doing because he would have been disassociated from the Jehovah Witnesses organization. But does anyone know when was the last time he visited a Kingdom Hall? Also is there a transcript of the interview that the police had with Larry Graham?

He visited in March. He owes you nothing...chill out Stan.

luvsexy4all said:

Part of that "better than human" persona was created by Prince during the height of his fame, and he worked quite hard to maintain that image. That being said, to be a fan and believe that he should or would not make mistakes is a naive and gullible mindset. However, it seems that many fans think or thought that way about him.

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Prince was human. He had his vices and "demons" like every human. He tried his best to do good here, and often did much better than others as a human in this world - look at the many charitable contricutions he made throughout his life here. However anyone else feels about JW, his belief in the group came from an honest and sincere place. I would say, when you have a world renowned musician going from door to door in his town to try to "spread the word" of his faith, and passing out Watch Tower pamphlets to fans instead of autographed pictures, that is someone coming from a sincere place.

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When he was younger, singing about sex and raunchy behavior he was sensored and criticized. When he was older, denouncing that behavior, and promoting his Christian beliefs he was criticized. Really, the guy couldn't "win" with everyone no matter what he did. Such is the life of a celebrity. Lots of pressure, and he handled it the best that he could.

luvsexy4all said:

should there be a new sections...bait threads ....crack threads....