violetcrush said:

Genesia said:

No, it wouldn't. You know nothing about what Prince's testosterone levels were like when he was in his 30s. You know what helps a guy synthesize testosterone? Eating enough protein. (Look it up.)

Also, you don't know that Bruce Springsteen had more muscle in his 30s than in his 20s. Did you weigh him? Measure him? Do caliper tests on him to determine his body composition? No. You're going by what he looked like in pictures.

In other words, you know nothing.

You're kidding, right?? Looking at the pictures of Bruce Springsteen, it is clearly visible that he gained wieight and muscle mass in the 80's. I was a teen then, and I actually remember the media commenting on his "buff" appearance. It was discussed regularly in the media back then.

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Regarding Prince, 1) YOU also know nothing about Prince's exact testosterone levels when he was in his 30's, so I'm not sure how you can actually state that his levels had significantly dropped by that point?? What we do have though, are the photographs (just as with Bruce) clearly showing that his muscular form had changed from the late 80's to the early 90's. 2) As I stated, pretty clearly, in earlier posts, I'm sure that the lack of "meat protein" effected his muscle mass as well. So, we are in agreement on that, however, I'm sure it was not the only reason he lost the muscle. If he had supplemented with other protein sources and continued to lift weights he most likely would have maintained the more muscular physique. It was probably not a priority for him at that time.

Here you go - an article about Bruce Springsteen releasing Born In The USA in 1984:

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http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bruce-springsteen-born-in-the-u-s-a/

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And here is the text regarding the transformation of his physique at that time:

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"So when fans bought Born in the U.S.A. and looked at the photo on its inner sleeve, they could not have been prepared to see that the once-scrawny singer had been hitting the gym. “I was a big fan of meaningless, repetitive behavior,” he said in Peter Ames Carlin’s bio, Bruce. “And what’s more meaningless than lifting a heavy object and then putting it down in the same place that you found it? There are probably other psychological reasons behind it, but otherwise it was a perfect match for me. The Sisyphean aspect of it just completely suited my personality.”

It wasn’t just Springsteen’s appearance that had changed. As nearly every other rock act was doing at the time, synthesizers were brought in to help modernize the sound of the E Street Band. And while they dominate some songs, like "Born in the U.S.A.," "Dancing in the Dark" and "My Hometown," for the most part Roy Bittan’s keyboards blend well with Danny Federici’s Hammond organ. Coupled with a shiny mix by Bob Clearmountain, the songs on Born in the U.S.A. fit perfectly on the radio at the time, even if some of the sounds Bittan used haven’t aged particularly well."

[Edited 9/24/18 9:40am]

violetcrush said:

Here you go - an article about Bruce Springsteen releasing Born In The USA in 1994:

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http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bruce-springsteen-born-in-the-u-s-a/

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And here is the text regarding the transformation of his physique at that time:

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"So when fans bought Born in the U.S.A. and looked at the photo on its inner sleeve, they could not have been prepared to see that the once-scrawny singer had been hitting the gym. “I was a big fan of meaningless, repetitive behavior,” he said in Peter Ames Carlin’s bio, Bruce. “And what’s more meaningless than lifting a heavy object and then putting it down in the same place that you found it? There are probably other psychological reasons behind it, but otherwise it was a perfect match for me. The Sisyphean aspect of it just completely suited my personality.”

It wasn’t just Springsteen’s appearance that had changed. As nearly every other rock act was doing at the time, synthesizers were brought in to help modernize the sound of the E Street Band. And while they dominate some songs, like "Born in the U.S.A.," "Dancing in the Dark" and "My Hometown," for the most part Roy Bittan’s keyboards blend well with Danny Federici’s Hammond organ. Coupled with a shiny mix by Bob Clearmountain, the songs on Born in the U.S.A. fit perfectly on the radio at the time, even if some of the sounds Bittan used haven’t aged particularly well."

What does this have to do with Prince and the color Purple??

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Here you go - an article about Bruce Springsteen releasing Born In The USA in 1994:

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http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bruce-springsteen-born-in-the-u-s-a/

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And here is the text regarding the transformation of his physique at that time:

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"So when fans bought Born in the U.S.A. and looked at the photo on its inner sleeve, they could not have been prepared to see that the once-scrawny singer had been hitting the gym. “I was a big fan of meaningless, repetitive behavior,” he said in Peter Ames Carlin’s bio, Bruce. “And what’s more meaningless than lifting a heavy object and then putting it down in the same place that you found it? There are probably other psychological reasons behind it, but otherwise it was a perfect match for me. The Sisyphean aspect of it just completely suited my personality.”

It wasn’t just Springsteen’s appearance that had changed. As nearly every other rock act was doing at the time, synthesizers were brought in to help modernize the sound of the E Street Band. And while they dominate some songs, like "Born in the U.S.A.," "Dancing in the Dark" and "My Hometown," for the most part Roy Bittan’s keyboards blend well with Danny Federici’s Hammond organ. Coupled with a shiny mix by Bob Clearmountain, the songs on Born in the U.S.A. fit perfectly on the radio at the time, even if some of the sounds Bittan used haven’t aged particularly well."

What does this have to do with Prince and the color Purple??

Aesenath, on one of the pictures showing a closeup of Prince's "ass", commented about the difference in his physique in the 80's as compared to the 90's. Thus began a discussion of the reasons why he may have lost the weight and muscle mass. The prior posts explain the Bruce Springsteen example. Yes, I know - off on a tangent, but such is usually the case, but it always finds its way back....

I think the terms being used are throwing it off

Prince would not have been considered skinny. Skinny entails no muscle tone (just skin n bones)
Prince would be destribed as 'toned' meaning not bulky but lean muscle mass

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think the terms being used are throwing it off

Prince would not have been considered skinny. Skinny entails no muscle tone (just skin n bones)
Prince would be destribed as 'toned' meaning not bulky but lean muscle mass

I used exactly the word I meant to use. Prince was skinny in the 90s, by any objective measure.

it's pretty obvious Bruce had more muscle on him, I think I read he weighed the same but I'm not sure if I read that or not. He looked no heavier than 150 during the pre born in the usa era, he was about 160-65 for born in the usa. It's a pretty impressive change to go through in a year or two, I can't do it and I lift all the time I never really put on muscle, or at least I don't think I do, sometimes people say "you look buff" but I know I'm not that much stronger than I was when i wasn't working out. Prince had a fine physique up to about lovesexy or so, I don't know what he was doing and find it hard to believe he had a lot of time to workout all those years. Even so.., I recall vividly, more than once non-fans describing him as "skinny" I never could figure that out, he was not skinny in that era, maybe the talk of how he was 5-2 somehow translated into people's brains as "skinny". I doubt if his weight ever fluctuated anywhere past the 112 pounds he died at and 130 pounds, i'd be surprised if he ever weighed more than 135, ever. In his early pics, he seemed to look kinda plump but definitely not fat. As for Bruce, he only looked the way he did for that era and although he never went back to being skinny as he was, he didn't maintain the muscles, that can only come through working out consistently for most people. Most people lose whatever they gain pretty fast.

Genesia said:

violetcrush said:

Right - My comments are in line with yours regarding how thin he became in the early to mid 90's. What I said was that the conversion to vegetarianism, lack of weighlifting, and also stress were all most likely contributing factors at that time.

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I used Bruce Springsteen as a comparison, becuase he did not have a muscular physique prior to the Born In The USA tour. He was very small before he began lifting weights. And my point by using him as an example was to counter your statement regarding age and male testosterone levels. Bruce was 35, and had more muscle mass than he ever did in his 20's. This would disprove the statement about any reduction of testosterone levels preventing Prince from retaining his muscularity in the mid 90's.

No, it wouldn't. You know nothing about what Prince's testosterone levels were like when he was in his 30s. You know what helps a guy synthesize testosterone? Eating enough protein. (Look it up.)

Also, you don't know that Bruce Springsteen had more muscle in his 30s than in his 20s. Did you weigh him? Measure him? Do caliper tests on him to determine his body composition? No. You're going by what he looked like in pictures.

In other words, you know nothing.

of course hormones change as we get older but.., if you haven't ever lifted weights and you start in your 30's or older you will benefit. I knew a guy, about 35 at the time, i taught him to lift weights, he had better genes than me, he was outlifting me in 6-9 mos and he dramatically changed his body. I've never been like that, weight lifting is mainly a waste of time for me. anyway, the same guy stopped lifting weights and went right back to being the nerd he was before he lifted.

violetcrush said:

Genesia said:

You said why Prince seemed to have lost muscle in the 90s - he wasn't getting enough protein. You can't make muscle out of nothing. He was also extremely thin at that time. Thinner than at any point prior to the year before he died.

And I don't know why you keep comparing Prince to Bruce Springsteen when they have totally different body types and aesthetics. Comparisons like that are ridiculous.

Right - My comments are in line with yours regarding how thin he became in the early to mid 90's. What I said was that the conversion to vegetarianism, lack of weighlifting, and also stress were all most likely contributing factors at that time.

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I used Bruce Springsteen as a comparison, becuase he did not have a muscular physique prior to the Born In The USA tour. He was very small before he began lifting weights. And my point by using him as an example was to counter your statement regarding age and male testosterone levels. Bruce was 35, and had more muscle mass than he ever did in his 20's. This would disprove the statement about any reduction of testosterone levels preventing Prince from retaining his muscularity in the mid 90's.

prince looked fine for 95 percent of his public life, but, he didn't look muscular in his forties, in fact, we made fun of him here, people were telling him to "hit the weights" after seeing his flabby arms on the ellen show and he even admitted for once that age affected him saying "after forty, it's just old skin". He still looked better than just about any 45 year old on the planet.

bonatoc said:

Maybe he found the right diet around 2003.
I mean his return in 2004, it was like he never left (pun intended).
"And I still look the same". Damn right!

Proof the body can recover from most things (I could have mention the Shoah, but I felt a G-Spot coming).

[Edited 9/24/18 13:26pm]

your're right, sorry, someone mentioned his butt and it was all downhill form there.

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Here you go - an article about Bruce Springsteen releasing Born In The USA in 1994:

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http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bruce-springsteen-born-in-the-u-s-a/

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And here is the text regarding the transformation of his physique at that time:

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"So when fans bought Born in the U.S.A. and looked at the photo on its inner sleeve, they could not have been prepared to see that the once-scrawny singer had been hitting the gym. “I was a big fan of meaningless, repetitive behavior,” he said in Peter Ames Carlin’s bio, Bruce. “And what’s more meaningless than lifting a heavy object and then putting it down in the same place that you found it? There are probably other psychological reasons behind it, but otherwise it was a perfect match for me. The Sisyphean aspect of it just completely suited my personality.”

It wasn’t just Springsteen’s appearance that had changed. As nearly every other rock act was doing at the time, synthesizers were brought in to help modernize the sound of the E Street Band. And while they dominate some songs, like "Born in the U.S.A.," "Dancing in the Dark" and "My Hometown," for the most part Roy Bittan’s keyboards blend well with Danny Federici’s Hammond organ. Coupled with a shiny mix by Bob Clearmountain, the songs on Born in the U.S.A. fit perfectly on the radio at the time, even if some of the sounds Bittan used haven’t aged particularly well."

What does this have to do with Prince and the color Purple??

PeteSilas said:

prince looked fine for 95 percent of his public life, but, he didn't look muscular in his forties, in fact, we made fun of him here, people were telling him to "hit the weights" after seeing his flabby arms on the ellen show and he even admitted for once that age affected him saying "after forty, it's just old skin". He still looked better than just about any 45 year old on the planet.

bonatoc said:

Maybe he found the right diet around 2003.
I mean his return in 2004, it was like he never left (pun intended).
"And I still look the same". Damn right!

Proof the body can recover from most things (I could have mention the Shoah, but I felt a G-Spot coming).

[Edited 9/24/18 13:26pm]

It's not that he looked bad or emaciated in the mid 90's (93-95), just not as "meaty" or muscular as he had been in the mid to late 80's. Watch the '94 Glam Slam concerts. He always looked good in my opinion, and regarding the "ass" - it was always nicely there regardless of how slim he got

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Anyway....back to th regulary scheduled thread topic...

OldFriends4Sale said:

I explained in my first reply to you that the years you laid out where also the period he was not going by his name Prince.

Except what you're saying is factually incorrect.

Years he was officially going by : 1993 - 2001

Years I said purple not mentioned in lyrics of officially released songs: c. 1996 - 2004

While both periods run roughly 8 years in length, there are only 5 years where both periods overlap. I never wrote anywhere that the years he didn't use purple in lyrics corresponded to the years of his name change. So please stop trying to make it seem like I'm saying he didn't refer to purple while he was using the symbol for his name.

People here read what they want to believe, not what is actually written.

DevotedPuppy said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I explained in my first reply to you that the years you laid out where also the period he was not going by his name Prince.

Except what you're saying is factually incorrect.

Years he was officially going by : 1993 - 2001

Years I said purple not mentioned in lyrics of officially released songs: c. 1996 - 2004

While both periods run roughly 8 years in length, there are only 5 years where both periods overlap. I never wrote anywhere that the years he didn't use purple in lyrics corresponded to the years of his name change. So please stop trying to make it seem like I'm saying he didn't refer to purple while he was using the symbol for his name.

People here read what they want to believe, not what is actually written.

No, I'm correct... post #115 the one where you got upset at.. OF4$ said:And remember for a period he tried to run from himself and not even use his name Prince from 1993/94-2001/02

rememeber?

I replied already, that the 1993-2002 period is within your 1996-2004 period.
I specifically said, that it was within the period he distanced himself from his name which was associated with purple.

Because mentioning the color in song all the time would be overkill. And cheesy

But he did wear purple. As I showed above within the period he did not use Prince as his name.

So are you still offended or willing to debate without having a hissy?

I totally read what your said, and responded accordingly, you posted your:3. thanks for reminding me why I rarely visit or post here anymore

Genesia said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think the terms being used are throwing it off

Prince would not have been considered skinny. Skinny entails no muscle tone (just skin n bones)
Prince would be destribed as 'toned' meaning not bulky but lean muscle mass

I used exactly the word I meant to use. Prince was skinny in the 90s, by any objective measure.

My reply was initially to paulludvig post #145 He was pretty skinny on the Parade tour and always had i tiny waist.

But the information did not transfere. I did not read your post, so I specifically addressing you. I was dealing with Prince 1986 as were others in the convo transaction

Prince in 1986 was muscularly toned, not skinny. Which skinny intails 'skin n bones'

synonyms:

thin, scrawny, scraggy, bony, angular, rawboned, hollow-cheeked, gaunt, as thin as a rake, skin-and-bones, sticklike, emaciated, waiflike, skeletal, pinched, undernourished, underfed; More

Genesia said:

Have you seen that Ellen degeneres episode where he has zero bottom!!!!
That was skinny to me.i know he was on there a few times but
There is one episode where he is a straight line. So I agree he was skinny at times.
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PennyPurple said:

After prince reads the book “the color purple” in 82. He goes full tilt with the color.
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OldFriends4Sale said:

This looks pretty skinny to me
https://goo.gl/images/RzNXBw

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

My reply was initially to paulludvig post #145 He was pretty skinny on the Parade tour and always had i tiny waist.

But the information did not transfere. I did not read your post, so I specifically addressing you. I was dealing with Prince 1986 as were others in the convo transaction

Prince in 1986 was muscularly toned, not skinny. Which skinny intails 'skin n bones'

synonyms: thin, scrawny, scraggy, bony, angular, rawboned, hollow-cheeked, gaunt, as thin as a rake, skin-and-bones, sticklike, emaciated, waiflike, skeletal, pinched, undernourished, underfed;More

This looks pretty skinny to me https://goo.gl/images/RzNXBw

synonyms: thin, scrawny, scraggy, bony, angular, rawboned, hollow-cheeked, gaunt, as thin as a rake, skin-and-bones, sticklike, emaciated, waiflike, skeletal, pinched, undernourished, underfed; More

^^^^ That was not Prince

Prince was toned and ripped

purplefam99 said:

Genesia said:

I used exactly the word I meant to use. Prince was skinny in the 90s, by any objective measure.

Have you seen that Ellen degeneres episode where he has zero bottom!!!! That was skinny to me.i know he was on there a few times but There is one episode where he is a straight line. So I agree he was skinny at times. [Edited 9/24/18 20:57pm]

Many of us say he was at times especially during the 1993-1997 period

'zero' bottom doesn't mean skinny though. If you are looking at him through clothe, you cannot tell what is underneath. During the mid 2000s Prince had a bit of a gut, but he wouldn't described as fat

But Prince 1986 was toned and ripped, not skinny

This show?

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well, he considered himself skinny - "that skinny motherf... with the high voice".

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

synonyms: thin, scrawny, scraggy, bony, angular, rawboned, hollow-cheeked, gaunt, as thin as a rake, skin-and-bones, sticklike, emaciated, waiflike, skeletal, pinched, undernourished, underfed; More

^^^^ That was not Prince

Prince was toned and ripped

Well, he considered himself skinny - "that skinny motherf... with the high voice".

no he didn't lol, that was a the 'voice' talking junk about Prince to put him down

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

synonyms: thin, scrawny, scraggy, bony, angular, rawboned, hollow-cheeked, gaunt, as thin as a rake, skin-and-bones, sticklike, emaciated, waiflike, skeletal, pinched, undernourished, underfed; More

^^^^ That was not Prince

Prince was toned and ripped

Well, he considered himself skinny - "that skinny motherf... with the high voice".

Compared to many men his age I'm sure he was considered "skinny", but not in the standard webster definition classification. He was small - tiny waist, no extra fat, and short. However, he was also fit, muscularly cut, and in great shape here. He was perfectly proportioned for his height and weight here.

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Even from 1993-1996 when he appeared to be considerably thinner with less muscle tone he still had the nice ass situation happening. If you watch any of the three June '94 Glam Slam Miami shows he is clearly thinner, but in the pantsuit outfuts, when he turns around the nice butt is still there

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There is one area of his body - shown quite nicely in the above middle picture - that I'm sure always retained its size and shape.....okay, I digress....moving on

violetcrush said:

I need to scan through all the album lyrics after 1996 now to find Purple

haaaaa just remembered this ... had 2 post

Prince should could appeal to gay women too

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

I need to scan through all the album lyrics after 1996 now to find Purple

If anyone can find it you would be the one!!! My first thought was "Purple and Gold" but that was 2010 and written for the Vikings

OldFriends4Sale said:

haaaaa just remembered this ... had 2 post

Prince should could appeal to gay women too

Is he laughing at the thought of Ellen proclaiming that he is sexy??

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I also thought it was interesting that he performed the song Bambi during this episode.

Hmmm

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

Genesia said: Have you seen that Ellen degeneres episode where he has zero bottom!!!! That was skinny to me.i know he was on there a few times but There is one episode where he is a straight line. So I agree he was skinny at times. [Edited 9/24/18 20:57pm]

Many of us say he was at times especially during the 1993-1997 period

'zero' bottom doesn't mean skinny though. If you are looking at him through clothe, you cannot tell what is underneath. During the mid 2000s Prince had a bit of a gut, but he wouldn't described as fat

But Prince 1986 was toned and ripped, not skinny

This show?

no not this show i will find it and let you know which one. perhaps you would post it

because posting doesnt work for me.

please check out prince on ellen in 2009, he is wearing glasses during this performance.

note his bottom in the singing segment. it isn't there. google it or post it please.