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I did miss that piece of information--it's a puzzler, for sure. But, once Times Squared gets done playing in my ears, I think I'll listen to some Femmes. It's been a few months. | |
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EddieC said:
I did miss that piece of information--it's a puzzler, for sure. But, once Times Squared gets done playing in my ears, I think I'll listen to some Femmes. It's been a few months. Oh wow, that would have been great. I love the Femmes. Have been a fan since the 80's. I don't see WA as that much of a funk song. It has an unusual rhythm and sound to it. Although, it is a slower paced song than what the Femmes would usually do, so not sure how it would have sounded. | |
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I've really been into the pre-W&L version lately. I don't argue with people about my opinions. Scram. I said what I said. | |
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I really love the track. Too bad though, the released version has a shril sounding clicking in the beat. I wish that was dulled just a bit. Its kind of annoying. |
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Who had the wonderful ass - Prince, Jill or Vanity - one of life's great mysteries. [Edited 9/22/18 18:30pm] I got plenty good loving for ya baby | |
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I got plenty good loving for ya baby | |
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I think it's a fantastic song! Along with We Can Fuck and Computer Blue (Hallway Speech version), it's one of the best of the newly-released songs on PR Deluxe. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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It's interesting how the perception of funk can differ from person to person. For me this track is one of his purest funk records from this era. Kick on the one, and guitars, drums, bass and keys interlocking as rhymthically as possible.
I made a thread I think about a year back talking about this song and how I find its blend of funk and soft pop or whatever so mesmerizing. I don't really know how to describe the sound, light and breezy, very quirky vocals and concepts, but undeniably funk. I really think it was his best sound or at least one with a very unique potential, but ultimately a direction he didn't really pursue in his subsequent releases. | |
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Yes I agree, We Can Fuck is just magic, We can funk off GB is awful. I would add Electric Intercourse, Road house garden and Fathers song to that list too. That Disc 2 made the whole thing worthwhile (Even Love and Sex is a good song). I got plenty good loving for ya baby | |
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Wouldn't surprise me if he told every woman he was doing at the time it was for her. >> | |
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It makes way more sense as the longer version, not the edited version that ended up on GB. >> | |
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Earlier versions; 7-ish.
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We Can Fuck - first version Computer Blue (Hallway Speech) All Day All Night/Roadhouse Garden - from '84 bday show * I want the video of that '84 bday show - just the best....
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Makes sense that this one was initially about Vanity based on the lyrics, and Jill's more recent statements. Per the Biographies, Prince and Vanity's relationship was quite tumultuous by this point, and Jill was in the mix along with Susan. She wanted love from him, and he wanted fun from her. * "You say that you love me, it don't do no good, You want me to trust you I wish that I could, You cannot build a house with plastic wood, You've got a wonderful ass"... * I guess what it is is that I hate your ideas of fun (Oh yeah?) [Edited 9/23/18 9:16am] [Edited 9/23/18 9:17am] | |
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"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide." | |
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Ahhh, right. Didn't even notice that. I pulled lyrics from the wrong site... | |
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* Your trying way too hard Violet. The lyrics to Wonderful Ass clearly points out Prince's frustrations, exposing the lack of trust in his relationship with Vanity. 'You think my friends are my bedmate…"Prince was seeing other people on Vanity the way he did with every single one of the major women in his life, Susan Moonsie, Sheila E, Susannah Melvoin... Correct approach or not, Vanity didn't sit around at home waiting for him like so many of the others did. That pissed him off. "saying that you love me, it don't do you no good, U want me 2 trust U, I wish that I could..." What's outrageous about it, and the entertaining and revealing aspect of the song is that though he was expressing all the ways she irked him, "I guess what it is… is that I hate ur ideas of fun...," He was admitting that he still couldn't leave her because she was so Wonderful, and had a Wonderful Ass. "Your so wonderful, Wonderful, Your so wonderful, (U've got a wonderful ass)... It's a fun song. #Stophating.
* PS: Prince wrote Strange Relationship and The Beautiful Ones for Vanity too...
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Loved it from the first time I heard it, still do   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Luvgirl: I very much disagree here. You need to really study the lyric in this song. Essentially, Prince is telling her that he tolerates her behavior and the relationship because she has a "wonderful ass". Let's break it down a bit here: * U say that U love me, it don't do no good
I think what he is saying here is that a real loving relationship needs a strong foundation, which theirs did not have. Vanity was partying and doing drugs, and also using men to fuel Prince's jealousy, which is understandable based on what he was doing with other women at the time. However, we know Prince always had a double standard in that area. * It's so wonderful * I guess what it is... that I hate ur ideas of fun (Oh yeah?) * Let's not sugar-coat the lyrics here. Prince is referring to her ass as "wonderful" in this song. He is tolerating her, because of her ass. ^ (I'm so happy) U try 2 fuck 4 love - ouch, this is especially harsh This is NOT a love song, nor is it a "happy-go-lucky" song. The lyric "U try to fuck 4 love" is actually quite harsh. The music and the way he sings it is light and campy, but the words are in no way professing his love - quite the opposite. * Strange Relationship is also not a love song - it is describing the dysfunction in a relationship, which we know Prince had with all of his women. The words can apply to any of them, and he focused on this song after his breakup with Susannah. During the ONA tour in Japan, before he played the song he said, "we're about to go way back...1986 back. He did not reference the song during his time with Vanity. * Regarding The Beautiful Ones - I think that song had several inspirations tied to it. Vanity had just left the camp and quit the film, Susannah - who he had been heavily pursuing for months, was still with her boyfriend, and he also had the film scenes to consider. There were many things going on at that time. The lyric "The beautiful ones always smash the picture" no doubt was about Vanity leaving the film. They were supposed to start shooting the film within only a couple of months, and they had no lead actress. She knew she was leaving him in a huge bind when she left. I would say that is "smashing the picture"....quite literally. The lyric "do you want him, or do you want me? and the intensity with which he sings the song clearly indicates his emotion and strong feelings toward someone, and not just a character in a film. He always wrote his songs from a persconal perspective. There would be no way he would aknowledge that to the public though. * Oh, and if you think Susannah just "sat around" while he was out partying and womanizing, then you need to listen again to "Empty Room", "Go", "Anotherloverholeinyouhead", "Big Tall Wall", and many more. Their relationship was on and off because of his philandering.
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We can fuck (86 version) The best hands down “Mico”! BOB4theFUNK | |
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The original is just Prince, Wendy, Lisa, David Coleman, and Jill Jones vox. That'my favorite. * But I do like the re-recorded '86 version too... [Edited 9/24/18 14:33pm] | |
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rusty1 said: We can fuck (86 version) The best hands down “Mico”! I like the 86 version so much that I was ready to dismiss We Can Fuck when it came out, particularly after someone mentioned it sounded more like the GB version. But man, was I wrong... I’ve been listening to it compulsively for the last year... it’s so freaking good! | |
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I know, right? To me, nothing's better than the original '83/84 version | |
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* Of course it wasn't a love song. It was a cutting rejoinder that revealed his exasperation with her- exposing his lack of trust in her, and she for him… but ultimately, he was saying through all of that, he still couldn't stop seeing her... That's the intriguing and conceding aspect of the song. Apart from saying she has a wonderful Ass, the lyrics do state 'You're so wonderful' as well. It's interesting to me that it was also another look into that "Strange Relationship" Prince had first categorized in that latter song written about their relationship. At that time, he was the offender, naming all the things he'd done wrong in the relationship… but ultimately again,…. "Baby if you left me, I might do something rash." Love it or hate it, that has always been the passionate and tumultuous struggle between Prince and Vanity.
* Your analysis of "The Strange Relationship' and "The Beautiful Ones" are your very own manufactured Spin... which you are entitled to, but I'll stick with the more reliable sources, one of them being Prince.
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I'm not sure how you can ignore lyrics like "I don't usually have time for babes with no class, but I can always find time for your ass". To me, it's quite literal, and it's him saying to her, look this isn't love, but I'm not going to refuse sex wth you, because you are physically beautiful. The general theme of the song is talking about feelings of physical attraction, and not love. * Again, Strange Relationship was re-recorded 3 years after Vanity left the scene, and also during the time that Susannah was leaving him. It was important enough to him at that time to include it on the SOTT record. The song can really apply to all of the serious relationships he had, because that is the dynamic he created. He associated the song with that time period, and interestingly, at the ONA show after he announced the song from 1986 he changed the lyrics to say, "you took my love you took my body, you took all the self-respect I ever had, you took me for a ride..." So, he reversed the words there. * Just about everyone in the camp has stated that TBO was most inspired by Susannah at that time, including Roy Bennettt, a good friend and associate with whom Prince confided in about his feelings for her. I have no doubt that Vanity was a part of that inspiration as well based on what was happening at that time - as Prince stated, she had just left the film. However, a big chunk of the lyric does not fit their situation at that time. He was not trying to make her choose between him and another guy. However, he had been courting Susannah for a long time, and she had a serious boyfriend at that time. Vanity left Prince because of the money, a Motown record deal, the Scorsese movie role, and I'm sure she was also aware of Susannah as well by that point. [Edited 9/25/18 7:46am] | |
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Astasheiks said: Was wondering what it sounds like?
Peachy. | |
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Or.....cheeky?? | |
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* The song featured lyrics due to his irritation over him thinking she was seeing other people. The lyrics were intended to cut, categorizing all the things that were wrong in their relationship... yet he was saying he still wanted to be with her... He sang that she was wonderful and about how wonderful her physical attributes were, but in light of Prince telling us that he used to love Vanity very deeply, one of the reasons he didn't want to leave is quite perceivable. It's also one of the reasons why many people love knowing the song was about her… The uproarious chemistry between them makes the song electrifying.*** But Wait... Wasn’t Lisa trying to say this song was about Susannah, but it didn't really stick? There must be something intriguing and special about the song that she wanted to associate it with a significant person in her life, who coincidently was one of Prince’s girlfriends... *
VioletCrush said: "Just about everyone in the camp has stated that TBO was most inspired by Susannah." *
Except for Prince... Prince said it had nothing to do with Susannah, but alternatively pointed out that Vanity's departure from his life was an influence… and revealed to us again at his P&M tribute to Vanity that she even knew about it. It's so touching to me that she knew that. I don't need Roy Bennett or Susan Rogers or speculation from " the Prince camp" or anyone else for that matter... I got it from Prince. He cleared up that misconception. *
Why in the world do you keep bringing up Prince's re-recording of Strange Relationship in 1986…? (talking about, way back, 1986 back... lol ) It's confirmed that the song was written before he met Susannah and was inspired by his relationship with Vanity. I'm not referring to a re-recording. I'm referring to the time the song was written and inspired by his relationship with Vanity in 1982.
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Yeah I think you may be right, Vanity it is, and she had a big ol butt, just like Tina
The Plastic wood line, though - only Prince wackadoo lyrics. Or is it a stylistic barb at that hideous plastic wood panelling you see in the houses of most working class, rust belt and billy bob type trailers that was popular in the USA from around 1966 to 1985 and is still seen in many reality shows like Honey Boo Boo and my 600lb life. [Edited 9/25/18 19:47pm] I got plenty good loving for ya baby | |
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Classic Prince quirky lyric
Luvgirl said: The song featured lyrics due to his irritation over him thinking she was seeing other people. The lyrics were intended to cut, categorizing all the things that were wrong in their relationship... yet he was saying he still wanted to be with her... He sang that she was wonderful and about how wonderful her physical attributes were, but in light of Prince telling us that he used to love Vanity very deeply, one of the reasons he didn't want to leave is quite perceivable. It's also one of the reasons why many people love knowing the song was about her… The uproarious chemistry between them makes the song electrifying.*** But Wait... Wasn’t Lisa trying to say this song was about Susannah, but it didn't really stick? There must be something intriguing and special about the song that she wanted to associate it with a significant person in her life, who coincidently was one of Prince’s girlfriends... * If this is not "putting a spin" on the song lyric, I don't know what is then. The song is a blatant acknowledgement that he tolerates her and the relationship, because she has a "wonderful ass". In other words, it's a sexual thing for him at this point. * Lisa's comments were this: "it was just us having some fun at the time, because Wendy and Susannah were known for their nice asses". She did not say he wrote the song specifically for Susannah, as I'm sure she already knew about the song prior to re-recording it with Prince. Susannah and Prince also had a very tumultuous love affair - both emotional and physical, however, his "frustration" songs for her during their relationship were nothing like this one. Instead, he wrote Empty Room, Go, Sexual Suicide, Anotherloverholeinyohead, Witness 4 The Prosecution, etc. In fact, he wrote The Sex Of It - most likely for her, as he only performed it live once with her present at Rupert's in MN Sept '87 - "I gave you a diamond ring my friend, that didn't get yoiu off. French cologne, 100 bucks an ounce, all you did was cough. You say you want simplicity, you don't like love complex, but I gotta spooky feeling you just want me for the sex. I couldn't love you any more, I guess I'll hate you next." So, in this case HE is the one being used for sex. * Regarding TBO and Prince's comments during the Ebony interview....first, this is the ONLY interview Prince ever had retracted in his life. He had it pulled within hours of publication. This was also during the time that Alan Light's book was published, and Susannah had finally spoken out about their relationship, which she had never done prior. All of the band contributed to his book, and I have no doubt that he was not at all pleased with that. They were also fighting because of the situation with Fdeluxe/The Family releasing new music. Susannah was doing interviews, and they were discussing how he would not let them use the old name. He was also rambling and making strange comments about many things in that interview. Sorry, but I don't consider that dialog, that he himself retracted, to be credible. If he had stood by his words he would not have pulled the piece from public view. * Prince was no doubt very sad when Vanity passed, and he then had to perform a show. He had to grieve on stage - he did not have a choice. The way he honored her was very touching, and it was a sweet tribute to her. Here is exactly what he said (copied from Complex.com): * "Like many, Prince was stunned to learn that his protegé, collaborator, and lead singer of Vanity 6, Denise Matthews a.k.a. Vanity, passed away at the age of 57. Last night, the Purple One honored his late girlfriend at the first show of his solo Australian tour in Melbourne. “Someone dear to us has passed away, I’m gonna dedicate this song to her,” Prince said. He then launched into an emotional rendition of "Little Red Corvette"mashed up with "Dirty Mind," which are both songs from the time the two were together, according to AU News. Later in the set, Prince reworked the lyrics of "The Ladder," replacing 'Electra’ with ‘Vanity’ so that the lyrics became, “This Prince, he had a subject named Vanity who loved him with a passion, uncontested.” At the end of his show, he took a moment and addressed the audience, “I am new to this playing alone. I thank you all for being so patient. I’m trying to stay focused, it’s a little heavy for me tonight. Just keep jamming ... She knows about this one.” He then performed "The Beautiful Ones," which is another song from their time together. Finally, the usually less chatty Prince asked the audience if he could tell them a story. “Can I tell you a story about Vanity? Or should I tell you a story about Denise? Her and I used to love each other deeply. She loved me for the artist I was, I loved her for the artist she was trying to be. She and I would fight. She was very headstrong cos she knew she was the finest woman in the world. She never missed an opportunity to tell you that.” Catch Prince playing on tour in Australia with two more shows in Melbourne before he heads to Sydney and Perth." * Prince was eulogizing her after her death, and it was very tender and sweet. One would expect nothing less based on the time they had spent together. However, I have no doubt that if it had been Susannah who had passed he would have been, at the least, equally devastated. Prince was reminiscing a lot during the P&M tour. He wasnted to show his love for Wendyand Lisa, and told a sweet story about meeting Lisa and how beautifully she plays the piano. He also knew he wasn't doing well, which I'm sure added to his heightened emotions during the tour. * Prince was also reaching out to Susannah prior to his death, as she stated during her interview with Toure - that he had contacted her because he wanted to write and record with her again, and he sent her song lyrics two weeks prior to his emergency landing in Moline. No doubt that he was wanting to make amends, and stop the fighting. I hope she can share those lyrics at some point. He was reaching out to many of his past associates and friends not long before his passing. [Edited 9/26/18 7:50am] [Edited 9/26/18 7:51am] | |
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