Say what you want about Rave Un/In2 The Joy Fantastic but this song (Eye Love U But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore) is simply beautiful and a highlight on the album. One of Prince's best ballads.

I really like the Montreux 2009 version

Friend and I got the album and had a formal listening... after this track, it was mouths agape at how good it was. "goddamn."

darlingnikkkki said:

Quite a personal song that gives us a rare insight to his relationships. Heartbreaking.

Really, you think it's a rare insight? I think the closest we have to a Prince Autobiography are his songs...

Listen to what he laid down in the studio in recording order during 85-86, and you get a blow by blow insight into his unsustainable relationship & break up with Susannah, for example.

Great song though, very sad.

One of his best ballads ever. He really shows his vulnerable side in the song. It was one of the highlights of his P & M shows.

Or maybe trust is not just about who cheated. In his position, it would be hard to trust most folks. He didn't help by being untrustworthy himself of course. But I always suspected that Prince himself had trust issues, wondered if people loved him for who he was or what he could get for them. Mayte, I don't know, but there were rumors of a Spanish dancer that she didn't say anything about. But let's say she was faithful--she also was a ambitious young dancer whose mother was a stage mom(her statement not mine). It had to cross his mind occassionally that he was being used. Don't get me wrong --he was insecure enough to believe that he couldn't just date an equal of a different field, that he had to date someone to which he could offer the world and a career..but its a catch 22. Maybe that (along with her age) is why the courtship took so long. He wanted to see if he could trust her to stick around even after the accolades for her talents came her way. Prince needed to date outside his little musical circle obviously. Maybe that song was his reaction to her statement about not trusting him..maybe its him saying you don't trust me due to unfaithfulness but I don't trust you either due to wondering where your heart is. We only know her side; but he certainly has his. Its funny but in the Montreux Jazz festival in 2009 (show 2) , he sang the line "I know you love me baby, but you don't trust me and you don't love me not much anymore". Freudian slip or maybe this trust thing is more complicated than we thought.

andykeen said:

To my knowledge Prince was the unfaithful one in his relationship to Mayte. Therefore, this song doesn’t give much insight apart from him acknowledging and singing this in the perspective of what he did to mayte?

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I've always just considered this a bit of lyrical fluff, a silly fantasy. But the music sho is pretty.

luv4u said:

darlingnikkkki said:

Quite a personal song that gives us a rare insight to his relationships. Heartbreaking.

Darshy said:

ufoclub said:

andykeen said:

gandorb said:

Empress said:

fishwillbite said:

andykeen said:

To my knowledge Prince was the unfaithful one in his relationship to Mayte. Therefore, this song doesn’t give much insight apart from him acknowledging and singing this in the perspective of what he did to mayte?

I don't think this song was about Mayte or his relationship with her. Many people consider the RUTJF album to be a breakup album, but it is not. Mayte stated in an interview that the song was not about their relationship. At his last P&M show, when he sang the song, he sang, "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days....the 80's". So, he was singing about someone prior to Mayte - at least for that performance.

SkipperLove said:

Or maybe trust is not just about who cheated. In his position, it would be hard to trust most folks. He didn't help by being untrustworthy himself of course. But I always suspected that Prince himself had trust issues, wondered if people loved him for who he was or what he could get for them. Mayte, I don't know, but there were rumors of a Spanish dancer that she didn't say anything about. But let's say she was faithful--she also was a ambitious young dancer whose mother was a stage mom(her statement not mine). It had to cross his mind occassionally that he was being used. Don't get me wrong --he was insecure enough to believe that he couldn't just date an equal of a different field, that he had to date someone to which he could offer the world and a career..but its a catch 22. Maybe that (along with her age) is why the courtship took so long. He wanted to see if he could trust her to stick around even after the accolades for her talents came her way. Prince needed to date outside his little musical circle obviously. Maybe that song was his reaction to her statement about not trusting him..maybe its him saying you don't trust me due to unfaithfulness but I don't trust you either due to wondering where your heart is. We only know her side; but he certainly has his. Its funny but in the Montreux Jazz festival in 2009 (show 2) , he sang the line "I know you love me baby, but you don't trust me and you don't love me not much anymore". Freudian slip or maybe this trust thing is more complicated than we thought.

andykeen said:

To my knowledge Prince was the unfaithful one in his relationship to Mayte. Therefore, this song doesn’t give much insight apart from him acknowledging and singing this in the perspective of what he did to mayte?

[Edited 9/8/18 10:45am]

Mayte stated in an interview that this song was not about their relationship. I really don't think many of the songs on RU2TJF are about their relationship - Tangerine, Strange But True, So Far So Pleased, Baby Knows, and others are not related to their breakup.

mynameisnotsusan said:

I'm sure I remember reading in an interview at the time of its release that Prince said it was about his father and mothers relationship.

Oh interesting. Could be. Wondering if that interview is listed on princevault. They have most of his print interviews posted. I know during the last P&M show, when he did the song, he sang "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days - the 80's". So, seems he was reflecting on one of his relationships back then. The song talks about the girl having been given a ring, so that would've been Susannah at that time. I do think it would be a bit strange that he would write a song coming from one of his parents perspectives. He usually wrote about himself with regard to relationships with women.

ufoclub said:

Friend and I got the album and had a formal listening... after this track, it was mouths agape at how good it was. "goddamn."

yup and yet another album that had a lot of people saying "he don't do nothing good no mo'".

fishwillbite said:

I've always just considered this a bit of lyrical fluff, a silly fantasy. But the music sho is pretty.

I've heard rumours that it was an old song about vanity, but you put this one together with man 0' war and I think it's obvious that all was not well in the nelson household. Of course, Prince was not blameless, i don't care about that myself, just give me the music and i'm cool.

PeteSilas said:

fishwillbite said:

I've always just considered this a bit of lyrical fluff, a silly fantasy. But the music sho is pretty.

I've heard rumours that it was an old song about vanity, but you put this one together with man 0' war and I think it's obvious that all was not well in the nelson household. Of course, Prince was not blameless, i don't care about that myself, just give me the music and i'm cool.

Nah, I doubt that. I don't believe he gave Vanity an engagement ring when they were together. Also, I think it's highly unlikely that her "flower" wasn't already "picked" prior to meeting him. She was 22 when they met.

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He did give an engagement ring to Susannah Melvoin in 1985 though. He also recorded "Go", Empty Room, and Sexual Suicide in the same session after a big fight with her, so my guess is that he may have found out that she had been with someone else at that time. They were "off and on" quite a bit during their relationship. The lyrics to Go describe the scenario in ILYBIDTY - "You promised me baby, that you would never cheat, but you did it anyway, and now you want to leave me"....

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

I've heard rumours that it was an old song about vanity, but you put this one together with man 0' war and I think it's obvious that all was not well in the nelson household. Of course, Prince was not blameless, i don't care about that myself, just give me the music and i'm cool.

Nah, I doubt that. I don't believe he gave Vanity an engagement ring when they were together. Also, I think it's highly unlikely that her "flower" wasn't already "picked" prior to meeting him. She was 22 when they met.

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He did give an engagement ring to Susannah Melvoin in 1985 though. He also recorded "Go", Empty Room, and Sexual Suicide in the same session after a big fight with her, so my guess is that he may have found out that she had been with someone else at that time. They were "off and on" quite a bit during their relationship. The lyrics to Go describe the scenario in ILYBIDTY - "You promised me baby, that you would never cheat, but you did it anyway, and now you want to leave me"....

it may have been sussanah that someone said, i just always assumed it was mayte, only prince and those close to him would know for sure, i think it's a bit too coincidental NOT to be mayte though. And ya, prince tended to write songs like that which painted him a the victim when he's a difficult guy to deal with for anyone and he did plenty of cheating himself I'm sure. the thing i don't get, said it again and agian, sorry to beat a dead horse but how do you fall in love with dum dum's?

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

I've heard rumours that it was an old song about vanity, but you put this one together with man 0' war and I think it's obvious that all was not well in the nelson household. Of course, Prince was not blameless, i don't care about that myself, just give me the music and i'm cool.

Nah, I doubt that. I don't believe he gave Vanity an engagement ring when they were together. Also, I think it's highly unlikely that her "flower" wasn't already "picked" prior to meeting him. She was 22 when they met.

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He did give an engagement ring to Susannah Melvoin in 1985 though. He also recorded "Go", Empty Room, and Sexual Suicide in the same session after a big fight with her, so my guess is that he may have found out that she had been with someone else at that time. They were "off and on" quite a bit during their relationship. The lyrics to Go describe the scenario in ILYBIDTY - "You promised me baby, that you would never cheat, but you did it anyway, and now you want to leave me"....

Here's Sexual Suicide:

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violetcrush said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

I'm sure I remember reading in an interview at the time of its release that Prince said it was about his father and mothers relationship.

Oh interesting. Could be. Wondering if that interview is listed on princevault. They have most of his print interviews posted. I know during the last P&M show, when he did the song, he sang "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days - the 80's". So, seems he was reflecting on one of his relationships back then. The song talks about the girl having been given a ring, so that would've been Susannah at that time. I do think it would be a bit strange that he would write a song coming from one of his parents perspectives. He usually wrote about himself with regard to relationships with women.

he also said little red corvette was written for vanity, that one black lady with a chinese name said it was for her. I don't know if it was for vanity, the song is a one night stand kind of song and doesn't reflect their relationship at all. He had so many women...