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feeluupp

EYE RECORDS SUED OVER BOOTLEGS

http://www.tmz.com/2018/0...e-records/

Prince's Estate Sues Record Label for Bootlegging His Music, Jacking His Trademark

0830-prince-serious-getty-4.jpgPrince's estate is going after a record label, claiming it's run by a group of bootleggers conspiring to cash in by jacking his tunes and plastering the Prince logo on all their rip-off merchandise.

Prince's estate just filed docs -- obtained by TMZ -- against Eye Records ... which the estate says is described as a "bootleg label dedicated to Prince." According to the docs ... Eye Records has illegally released 18 Prince compilations since Prince died in 2016, including CD sets titled 'Blast From The Past.'

Eye Records allegedly uses the online store newlovesigne.com to sell the bootlegged music, which includes live performances and unreleased studio tracks ... like "Prince Atlanta," which contain live recordings of the musician in his last-ever show.

Prince's estate is suing the record label and the individuals it believes are involved in the bootlegging scheme for monetary damages ... including $2 million for every one of their alleged Prince trademark violations ... and they claim there are a lot.

A rep for Prince's estate tells us, "There was nothing more important to Prince than the quality of his music and how his fans experienced it. With this filing, our hope is to preserve the integrity of the music and remain true to Prince's wishes."

The rep also issues a warning to anyone else who might try and jack Prince's work, saying, "The Prince Estate will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law all unlawful distributors and sources of Prince's intellectual property."

Reply #1 posted 08/31/18 1:14pm

rdhull

This will make a lot of people happy.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #2 posted 08/31/18 1:49pm

TheEnglishGent

Perhaps if the estate had released 18 compilations in that time people would have bought from them and the market for Eye would have vapourised. They could have had plenty of dollars in their pockets and while I certainly don't buy any Eye releases, I'd have no problem giving my money to the estate for decent releases.

If this helps us see more free label releases or releases from collectors because they know Eye won't sell them on, then that might be a god though though.

RIP sad
Reply #3 posted 08/31/18 1:56pm

rdhull

TheEnglishGent said:

Perhaps if the estate had released 18 compilations in that time people would have bought from them and the market for Eye would have vapourised. They could have had plenty of dollars in their pockets and while I certainly don't buy any Eye releases, I'd have no problem giving my money to the estate for decent releases.

If this helps us see more free label releases or releases from collectors because they know Eye won't sell them on, then that might be a god though though.

Stop blaming the estate or Prince for other people conducting illegal enterprises.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #4 posted 08/31/18 2:02pm

TrivialPursuit

rdhull said:

This will make a lot of people happy.


It worked out so well when Metallica did it.

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Reply #5 posted 08/31/18 2:07pm

djdaffy1227

Perhaps they should look at releases like the "Blast from the Past" series and see how many were sold and take a cue from that and give us some good compilations like those sets! Eye Records was releasing things we were all interested in. Imagine how great these collections could be if the estate put them together. Just dreaming. smile Now bring on Piano/microphone 1983! lol

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Reply #6 posted 08/31/18 2:17pm

rogifan

Sorry just because the estate isn’t getting out new releases quick enough for die hards doesn’t mean others can infringe in his IP.
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Reply #7 posted 08/31/18 2:19pm

rdhull

TrivialPursuit said:

rdhull said:

This will make a lot of people happy.


It worked out so well when Metallica did it.

I meant how everyone hates eye records

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #8 posted 08/31/18 2:37pm

Silvertongue7

They are right / it is their right to sue. But it’s going to make it harder for us to get new stuff. I hope the estate get their shit together and they start releasing good stuff, at a good pace. Otherwise it’s going to be a sad ride...
Reply #9 posted 08/31/18 2:51pm

Seahorsie

Silvertongue7 said:

They are right / it is their right to sue. But it’s going to make it harder for us to get new stuff. I hope the estate get their shit together and they start releasing good stuff, at a good pace. Otherwise it’s going to be a sad ride...

Agreed.

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Reply #10 posted 08/31/18 2:54pm

NorthC

TheEnglishGent said:

Perhaps if the estate had released 18 compilations in that time people would have bought from them and the market for Eye would have vapourised. They could have had plenty of dollars in their pockets and while I certainly don't buy any Eye releases, I'd have no problem giving my money to the estate for decent releases.

If this helps us see more free label releases or releases from collectors because they know Eye won't sell them on, then that might be a god though though.


You're right. Bootlegs should have been officially released a looong time ago. Bob Dylan started doing it in 1991 and his Bootleg Series # 14 is about to hit the streets this year. Think about it! Volume 14! The Prince Estate is still at volume zero two years after the man passed. PR Deluxe and that piano album don't count.
And if Eye Records shuts down, they will just come back up under another name.
[Edited 8/31/18 14:56pm]
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Reply #11 posted 08/31/18 3:08pm

love2thenines2003

NorthC said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Perhaps if the estate had released 18 compilations in that time people would have bought from them and the market for Eye would have vapourised. They could have had plenty of dollars in their pockets and while I certainly don't buy any Eye releases, I'd have no problem giving my money to the estate for decent releases.

If this helps us see more free label releases or releases from collectors because they know Eye won't sell them on, then that might be a god though though.


You're right. Bootlegs should have been officially released a looong time ago. Bob Dylan started doing it in 1991 and his Bootleg Series # 14 is about to hit the streets this year. Think about it! Volume 14! The Prince Estate is still at volume zero two years after the man passed. PR Deluxe and that piano album don't count.
And if Eye Records shuts down, they will just come back up under another name.
[Edited 8/31/18 14:56pm]



If the persons behind this label go to jail....there will a very long time before u see new things circulating...don't count on big collectors to give u unreleased stuff for pleasure of all...the sources are cut for real...nevertheless how can we criticize the heirs and the Estate...this is their rights to sue!
[Edited 8/31/18 15:09pm]
Reply #12 posted 08/31/18 3:13pm

sulls

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Reply #13 posted 08/31/18 3:15pm

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Reply #14 posted 08/31/18 3:28pm

SuperFurryAnimal

I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.
I think we can all collectively say.
Reply #15 posted 08/31/18 3:46pm

rdhull

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.

You guys cant threaten/ransom them to release what it is you desire. I hardly think the estate is reacting in an "Oh no! If we dont release a million things asap they are gonna have more bootleg releases! Call WB to get the vault released now!!"

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #16 posted 08/31/18 3:54pm

OperatingThetan

The Estate need to seriously consider re-establishing the NPGMC for hardcore fans.

At the moment, they're only concentrating on releases intended for popular consumption. While they continue solely with that approach, there will always be demand for unofficial recordings, free or at cost, from some source.
Reply #17 posted 08/31/18 4:01pm

SuperFurryAnimal

rdhull said:

 



SuperFurryAnimal said:


I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.

 


 


You guys cant threaten/ransom them to release what it is you desire. I hardly think the estate is reacting in an "Oh no! If we dont release a million things asap they are gonna have more bootleg releases! Call WB to get the vault released now!!"



I agree 110% but also they have a supply and demand. They focus on supply but not the demand. We are older and many of us have substantial amount of income. So far I see a lot of lackluster releases and none of the items I jumped at except the books. Here is what I think people like you who have an obsession with Prince don't understand. Don't address the demand and people will move onto other artists and simply stream music.
I think we can all collectively say.
Reply #18 posted 08/31/18 4:08pm

SuperFurryAnimal

OperatingThetan said:

The Estate need to seriously consider re-establishing the NPGMC for hardcore fans.

At the moment, they're only concentrating on releases intended for popular consumption. While they continue solely with that approach, there will always be demand for unofficial recordings, free or at cost, from some source.


True and I have money I would be willing to pay good money for limited NPGMC style releases. Even the jewelry others make better and that is a problem and I bet they are next. They just never understand demand and supply us with items as good as the ET Atari 2600 game.
I think we can all collectively say.
Reply #19 posted 08/31/18 5:19pm

purplethunder3121

razz

There's no them...there's only us...
Reply #20 posted 08/31/18 5:21pm

djThunderfunk

This is what happens when you openly sell bootlegs. I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #21 posted 08/31/18 5:37pm

Strive

They were playing with fire when they were counterprogramming Estate releases (remember Rainmaker getting released around the same time as Purple Rain Deluxe?) and bragging about renting studio time to "remaster" songs.

Fuck em. All they did was sell elite trading circles files in a degraded form.
[Edited 8/31/18 17:44pm]
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Reply #22 posted 08/31/18 5:52pm

LoneCrone

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.

Reply #23 posted 08/31/18 5:59pm

Strive

NorthC said:
You're right. Bootlegs should have been officially released a looong time ago. Bob Dylan started doing it in 1991 and his Bootleg Series # 14 is about to hit the streets this year. Think about it! Volume 14! The Prince Estate is still at volume zero two years after the man passed. PR Deluxe and that piano album don't count.
And if Eye Records shuts down, they will just come back up under another name.


Worth keeping in mind that Bob Dylan's Bootleg Series started in 1991 and didn't start receiving regular releases until 2000. It's going to take awhile to get this train rolling. Also funny how the Vault disc with PRD and P&M83 don't count in your mind as releases lol

And this lawsuit will bankrupt them so they're done. There's no coming back if they don't have a piggy bank to buy tapes and files.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #24 posted 08/31/18 6:41pm

TheEnglishGent

rdhull said:

 



TheEnglishGent said:


Perhaps if the estate had released 18 compilations in that time people would have bought from them and the market for Eye would have vapourised. They could have had plenty of dollars in their pockets and while I certainly don't buy any Eye releases, I'd have no problem giving my money to the estate for decent releases.

If this helps us see more free label releases or releases from collectors because they know Eye won't sell them on, then that might be a god though though.



Stop blaming the estate or Prince for other people conducting illegal enterprisies. 

[Edited 8/31/18 13:56pm]


Not entirely sure how I’m blaming the estate for anything.
RIP sad
Reply #25 posted 08/31/18 7:07pm

rdhull

Should have replied: we fans dont take kindly to bullshit production values

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.".
And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #26 posted 08/31/18 8:44pm

itsjustaroundthecorner

OperatingThetan said:

The Estate need to seriously consider re-establishing the NPGMC for hardcore fans. At the moment, they're only concentrating on releases intended for popular consumption. While they continue solely with that approach, there will always be demand for unofficial recordings, free or at cost, from some source.

I couldnt agree more... I get why they are trying to appeal to the general public...

BUT - they are leaving SO MUCH on the table when it comes to the die hard fans..

Even celebration felt like it was geared towards novice prince fans..... like when they asked us if anyone hear and seen "Graffiti Bridge"...hmmm, we flew here from around the world, found hotels and paid $1000 to be here and no we never went to our movie theater to see a Prince movie...

or.. we are going to show you some rare footage today.... and... it is Question of U from Nude Tour... right, none of us had seen that either

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Reply #27 posted 08/31/18 8:59pm

FragileUndertow

rdhull said:

Should have replied: we fans dont take kindly to bullshit production values



SuperFurryAnimal said:


I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.".



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Reply #28 posted 08/31/18 9:07pm

frylo

So I guess we won't be a getting another BFTP neutral

Reply #29 posted 08/31/18 9:22pm

heymistermusic

TrivialPursuit said:

rdhull said:

This will make a lot of people happy.


It worked out so well when Metallica did it.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... hmmm

Reply #30 posted 08/31/18 9:53pm

Vannormal

I think something else is going on here.
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Money.
They smell it through some attorneys help. A sort of win-win possibly.
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I also think the money tap, after 2,5 years is drying up.
Cleaning and organising P's vault must cost a lot + Paisley Park, etc
And the income of P's royalties is decreasing.
-
And no real plan from one person in charge costs only more money.
Good legal advice is something the family isn't familiar with, nor Tyka, Sharon or the rest of the (big) spenders.
_
Sueing bootleggers is just plain stupid.
If Prince was still alive, he would've done it himself much more, and if he realy wanted to spend more time on that with good legal support.
But he was never actually really short of money.
...and that multiplied with a messy organising and not trusting anyone.
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There will always be illegal material circulating.
Prince was eager when he recorded something and was pretty messy with his stuff in his own camp, don't forget that.
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And by the way, these (honestly stupid) EYE bootleggers will never be able to pay what? 2miljon per release ? After Prince's death?
I think they did not earn that much for even all the 18 illegal releases altogether ; mind the heavy (illegal) downloading and sharing boot copies amongst us through the Internet.
I for one never paid for boots after 2004.
All is to be found on the net, all the time. Even Prince must've realise that at some point, that's why he somehow gave in. IMHO.
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I think all this is to scare people.
There are even more books being released on Prince than bootlegs etc.
Merchandising shit, etc...
What about that ?
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Poor Estate - what a bunch of ... they are (feel free to fill it in yourself).
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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #31 posted 09/01/18 1:17am

Dandroppedadime

The funny thing is this... Eye only sell to hardcore fans, and those same fans would on the whole, happily re-buy those bootlegs in high quality, so it makes no real economic sense to pursue eye records. I st start releasing decent vault collections and forget about the bootleggers
Reply #32 posted 09/01/18 3:27am

databank

Certain people must not be sleeping at night anymore confused

While I'm not fond of Eye Records - not because they release bootlegs but because of how they do it with a cash cow policy at the expense of both fans and traders, I can't rejoice at the notion that someone's life may be about to be ruined, which is the unavoidable consequence of facing a multi-million dollars lawsuit when you're not yourself a multimillionaire, and those people aren't. However the law is the law, and the Estate is doing what they must to protect their property. I just hope no one's life will be destroyed in the process. Prince would traditionally withdrow his charges when bootleggers would back off and cease activities. Hopefully the estate will do the same.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #33 posted 09/01/18 3:31am

GeurtWalraven

In the 90's-00's there was a truckload of Elvis Presley bootlegs featuring soundboards, outtakes, you name it. His record company started a ''collectors label'' in 1999. One of the reasons was to stop the releases of bootlegs. And it worked. Every now and then still Elvis bootlegs are coming out. Mostly with audience recorded concerts or re-releases from old bootlegs. The label is now going 19 years and still going strong. By now 173 titles has been released featuring books, concerts and outtakes. With so many material of Prince in the vaults, its a great opportunity to do the same.

Reply #34 posted 09/01/18 4:27am

SuperFurryAnimal

LoneCrone said:

 



SuperFurryAnimal said:


I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.



Actually after talking awhile I really got along well. I like him but also I went on a bit about how merch from Paisley was not as good as it once was. I met the guy as well that took the order from Paisley to make the jerseys. He was super cool. I mentioned same to him. I gave him a piece of mind that the shirts were just not as cool. Truth is Donna's husband probably was not even born when the NPG jerseys were manufactured. As the trademark guy working for Prince though I was little surprised he never seen one and we talked at length about how I thought newer merch was just not cool. I still do believe there is disconnect with supply and demand. Majority of books released in like them done away from Paisley, for example. Why can't the estate get together a good book, to be fair I did like the ones they released though the celebration one was kind of shotty. I guess the answer is to allow others to do the work then eventually go after them. Ridiculous. I'm just older, socks, water bottle, leather bracelets. They won't get my money. Higher end shirts with detail, books, music that is packaged properly they will take my money.
I think we can all collectively say.
Reply #35 posted 09/01/18 4:51am

SchlomoThaHomo

This lawsuit is a Blast From The Past. It's almost like he's still with us! lol

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #36 posted 09/01/18 5:10am

purplethunder3121

databank said:

Certain people must not be sleeping at night anymore confused

While I'm not fond of Eye Records - not because they release bootlegs but because of how they do it with a cash cow policy at the expense of both fans and traders, I can't rejoice at the notion that someone's life may be about to be ruined, which is the unavoidable consequence of facing a multi-million dollars lawsuit when you're not yourself a multimillionaire, and those people aren't. However the law is the law, and the Estate is doing what they must to protect their property. I just hope no one's life will be destroyed in the process. Prince would traditionally withdrow his charges when bootleggers would back off and cease activities. Hopefully the estate will do the same.

There's no them...there's only us...
Reply #37 posted 09/01/18 5:21am

leecaldon

LoneCrone said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.

Although he was officially the President of NPG Records from 2013.

Reply #38 posted 09/01/18 5:40am

databank

SuperFurryAnimal said:

LoneCrone said:

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.

Actually after talking awhile I really got along well. I like him but also I went on a bit about how merch from Paisley was not as good as it once was. I met the guy as well that took the order from Paisley to make the jerseys. He was super cool. I mentioned same to him. I gave him a piece of mind that the shirts were just not as cool. Truth is Donna's husband probably was not even born when the NPG jerseys were manufactured. As the trademark guy working for Prince though I was little surprised he never seen one and we talked at length about how I thought newer merch was just not cool. I still do believe there is disconnect with supply and demand. Majority of books released in like them done away from Paisley, for example. Why can't the estate get together a good book, to be fair I did like the ones they released though the celebration one was kind of shotty. I guess the answer is to allow others to do the work then eventually go after them. Ridiculous. I'm just older, socks, water bottle, leather bracelets. They won't get my money. Higher end shirts with detail, books, music that is packaged properly they will take my money.

Josh was born circa 1990, so he was born, but he was in primary school in the 1-800 New Funk days. Ain't we old?

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Reply #39 posted 09/01/18 5:54am

vgjelec

There will always b boots
Reply #40 posted 09/01/18 6:24am

Genesia

SuperFurryAnimal said:

LoneCrone said:

 



SuperFurryAnimal said:


I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.



Actually after talking awhile I really got along well. I like him but also I went on a bit about how merch from Paisley was not as good as it once was. I met the guy as well that took the order from Paisley to make the jerseys. He was super cool. I mentioned same to him. I gave him a piece of mind that the shirts were just not as cool. Truth is Donna's husband probably was not even born when the NPG jerseys were manufactured. As the trademark guy working for Prince though I was little surprised he never seen one and we talked at length about how I thought newer merch was just not cool. I still do believe there is disconnect with supply and demand. Majority of books released in like them done away from Paisley, for example. Why can't the estate get together a good book, to be fair I did like the ones they released though the celebration one was kind of shotty. I guess the answer is to allow others to do the work then eventually go after them. Ridiculous. I'm just older, socks, water bottle, leather bracelets. They won't get my money. Higher end shirts with detail, books, music that is packaged properly they will take my money.


Hell, they don’t even have to come up with new books! Reissue The Sacrifice of Victor, fer cryin’ out loud.
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Reply #41 posted 09/01/18 7:39am

TrevorAyer

The estate clearly fucked up the vault and is relegated to sueing EYE to get access to more recordings ... considering the poor sourced material already released they seem to be grasping at straws for material when a simple high quality vault sourced set would put an end to interest in anything eye releases ... the estate is run by crackheads who will never release anything good and will only make a peep when they get mad at those putting out better material than they can be bothered to ... the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful
Reply #42 posted 09/01/18 7:54am

SuperFurryAnimal

leecaldon said:

LoneCrone said:

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.

Although he was officially the President of NPG Records from 2013.

I was not even aware of that until later which was funny. I bought that jersey at the Paisley garage sale and actually, I bought thousand worth of cds, vinyl, jerseys, artwork etc. Another guy bought up most of the jerseys and I regret not having more capital. Anyway, funny story after I bought everything someone comes up "hey someone wants to meet YOU!" (my thought was Who me!) I go chat with this lady who looks beautiful, later find out it is Prince's ex from grade school. She had a curly hair and a clipboard and asks "you bought a lot of merch what do you plan to do with it!" and I explained ebay it to fund going to shows. Come to think back, $7 purchase and I got to meet the President (the President of NPG Records).

I think we can all collectively say.
Reply #43 posted 09/01/18 8:00am

2freaky4church1

Laws are aribtrary. If you don't like bootlegs put the damn shit out? Zappa and Dylan were both smart about this.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #44 posted 09/01/18 8:12am

BartVanHemelen

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.".

.

So some dweeb who only got in with the Prince crowd FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO because HIS WIFE got a job with them is now telling off fans?

.

Good lord, what kind of imbeciles are running the show there?

© Bart Van Hemelen
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Reply #45 posted 09/01/18 8:17am

BartVanHemelen

Vannormal said:


Sueing bootleggers is just plain stupid. If Prince was still alive, he would've done it himself much more, and if he realy wanted to spend more time on that with good legal support.

.

There is exactly ONE court case which involved a Prince release: a guy who'd released TBA. Of course it collapsed because during the case it came out that Warners couldn't produce evidence that they had the legal right to act on behalf of Prince, because apparently Prince had failed to produce the necessary documents. The case is discussed in a book about bootlegs.

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Reply #46 posted 09/01/18 8:30am

leecaldon

TrevorAyer said:

The estate clearly fucked up the vault and is relegated to sueing EYE to get access to more recordings ... considering the poor sourced material already released they seem to be grasping at straws for material when a simple high quality vault sourced set would put an end to interest in anything eye releases ... the estate is run by crackheads who will never release anything good and will only make a peep when they get mad at those putting out better material than they can be bothered to ... the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful


I think that's quite a leap to believe that.

Reply #47 posted 09/01/18 10:41am

tmcjb

TrevorAyer said:

the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful

Does your country have access to adequate mental health resources?

"Like the drummer said, you got to die."
Reply #48 posted 09/01/18 10:47am

rdhull

tmcjb said:

TrevorAyer said:

the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful

Does your country have access to adequate mental health resources?

falloff

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #49 posted 09/01/18 11:09am

Strive

leecaldon said:

 



TrevorAyer said:


The estate clearly fucked up the vault and is relegated to sueing EYE to get access to more recordings ... considering the poor sourced material already released they seem to be grasping at straws for material when a simple high quality vault sourced set would put an end to interest in anything eye releases ... the estate is run by crackheads who will never release anything good and will only make a peep when they get mad at those putting out better material than they can be bothered to ... the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful


I think that's quite a leap to believe that.



Especially since the estate is working with Questlove, who's in all the elite trading circles that Eye stole from.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #50 posted 09/01/18 11:19am

SoulAlive

hmmm I understand why the estate is suing and they certainly have the right to but.....I just think that it's too late (and kinda pointless) to go after the bootleggers.Prince bootlegs have been circulating since the 80s! So much stuff is already out there and make no mistake,it will continue to circulate forever.Eye Records is just one of many,many sources to obtain this stuff.

What the estate should be doing is trying to find a way to beat the bootleggers at their own game......maybe set up a NPG Music Club type of service where fans can legally purchase unreleased Prince music,concerts,etc.

Reply #51 posted 09/01/18 11:35am

darkroman

The Prince Estate have neither the power or money to go after eBay - the biggest bootleg company of all time.

Instead the Estate like to intimidate the fans who created Prince's success.

Idiots!

nuts

Reply #52 posted 09/01/18 11:46am

SoulAlive

Vannormal said:

There will always be illegal material circulating. Prince was eager when he recorded something and was pretty messy with his stuff in his own camp, don't forget that.

nod

Reply #53 posted 09/01/18 12:13pm

violetcrush

SoulAlive said:

hmmm I understand why the estate is suing and they certainly have the right to but.....I just think that it's too late (and kinda pointless) to go after the bootleggers.Prince bootlegs have been circulating since the 80s! So much stuff is already out there and make no mistake,it will continue to circulate forever.Eye Records is just one of many,many sources to obtain this stuff.

What the estate should be doing is trying to find a way to beat the bootleggers at their own game......maybe set up a NPG Music Club type of service where fans can legally purchase unreleased Prince music,concerts,etc.

Right. It's a "supply and demand" situation. There will always be a resource for obtaining bootleg material, but the demand for it is directly proportionate to a better quality and larger supply offered by the Estate. Can't really understand what the main issues are with the Estate's ability to release more music and at a faster pace.

Reply #54 posted 09/01/18 12:14pm

dodger

tmcjb said:

 



TrevorAyer said:


 the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful

 


Does your country have access to adequate mental health resources?



lol lol
Reply #55 posted 09/01/18 12:18pm

violetcrush

darkroman said:

The Prince Estate have neither the power or money to go after eBay - the biggest bootleg company of all time.

Instead the Estate like to intimidate the fans who created Prince's success.

Idiots!

nuts

Well....Prince did also attempt to sue 22 fans $1 million each for linking to bootlegs back in 2014. So, I guess they're continuing in that same vein??

Reply #56 posted 09/01/18 12:46pm

Philly76

I understand the estate and i´d do it the same.

The bootleggers are stealing intellectual property and make $$$ with it.

I don´t want to have someone´s life destroyed in the first place

but on the other hand, they should´ve known.

Reply #57 posted 09/01/18 1:04pm

darkroman

violetcrush said:

darkroman said:

The Prince Estate have neither the power or money to go after eBay - the biggest bootleg company of all time.

Instead the Estate like to intimidate the fans who created Prince's success.

Idiots!

nuts

Well....Prince did also attempt to sue 22 fans $1 million each for linking to bootlegs back in 2014. So, I guess they're continuing in that same vein??


Yes exactly! as they are afraid to take on eBay as they can't afford to!

confused


Reply #58 posted 09/01/18 1:18pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

violetcrush said:

darkroman said:

The Prince Estate have neither the power or money to go after eBay - the biggest bootleg company of all time.

Instead the Estate like to intimidate the fans who created Prince's success.

Idiots!

nuts

Well....Prince did also attempt to sue 22 fans $1 million each for linking to bootlegs back in 2014. So, I guess they're continuing in that same vein??


From the bowels of the org:

Prince launches huge lawsuit against bootleg sites
http://prince.org/msg/7/404520



Prince Drops $22 million lawsuit against Alleged Bootleggers

http://prince.org/msg/7/404744

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Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
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Reply #59 posted 09/01/18 1:35pm

mikeyaddict

It is kinda funny that if they could a decent release out themselves we would be spending money directly to them! Where is black is the new black? Or NPG Jazz Q? Or instead if referring to a boot of his last show, why not just release it yourselves? Don’t get me wrong, never pay for a boot - but don’t complain about someone selling and dOing what you should be.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #60 posted 09/01/18 9:21pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

SoulAlive said:

Vannormal said:

There will always be illegal material circulating. Prince was eager when he recorded something and was pretty messy with his stuff in his own camp, don't forget that.

nod


nod

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
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Reply #61 posted 09/01/18 10:21pm

Lovejunky

OperatingThetan said:

The Estate need to seriously consider re-establishing the NPGMC for hardcore fans. At the moment, they're only concentrating on releases intended for popular consumption. While they continue solely with that approach, there will always be demand for unofficial recordings, free or at cost, from some source.

CO SIGN..

All his music in one place...

the ENTIRE BACK CATALOGUE

and ALL HIS LIVE Performances including rehearsals

thank you very much...

and if anyone is watching listening or reading.

That Prince Estate website is a NIGHTMARE...

It needs a total overhaul...

I can even..my eyes go googley goo....

and fall out of my head !!!!!!!!!

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #62 posted 09/01/18 10:26pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

^^^^^ I liked the NPGMC store.....

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #63 posted 09/01/18 10:43pm

Lovejunky

luv4u said:

^^^^^ I liked the NPGMC store.....

ME TOO....

Image result for NPGMC

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #64 posted 09/02/18 1:17am

databank

leecaldon said:

TrevorAyer said:

The estate clearly fucked up the vault and is relegated to sueing EYE to get access to more recordings ... considering the poor sourced material already released they seem to be grasping at straws for material when a simple high quality vault sourced set would put an end to interest in anything eye releases ... the estate is run by crackheads who will never release anything good and will only make a peep when they get mad at those putting out better material than they can be bothered to ... the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful


I think that's quite a leap to believe that.

It takes more than a leap of faith, it's absolute nonsense.

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Reply #65 posted 09/02/18 1:20am

databank

tmcjb said:

TrevorAyer said:

the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful

Does your country have access to adequate mental health resources?

lol

It's all the more ridiculous coming from someone who spat hate at Prince all the time when Prince was alive, and called you a bully when you told him to cut the crap rolleyes

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Reply #66 posted 09/02/18 2:50am

thedance

rdhull said:

This will make a lot of people happy.

^ok Rdhull I hope u are 100% sarcastic..

This is a such a very stupid move from the P family (estate).. mad sad

If they were releaseing great material (themselves - the estate), concerts etc to satisfy the Prince-community, ok then.


They are NOT, 2 years has passed, look at the upcoming ridiculous release.. now, we have to wait til 2019 and then HOPE they are in charge to release something interesting for the hardcores..


My confidense + hopes are so small, those/ estate they are not aware, what should be released and in what way..

Personally I need BOXSETS - remasters 1978 to 1995 (the WB stuff) with BONUS to each album..

Peace, don't be angry at the boot labels they are here to help u...

IMHO they are doing an excellent job for the fans (bootleggers),


(the estate hasn't done anything good.. (yet))

Prince 4Ever. heart
Reply #67 posted 09/02/18 3:51am

Azifwekare319

I must say, this tickles me.
With their cash grab releases full of rehash filler, pressing and selling fan-made free releases, and putting out €50-70+ sets to accommodate 1 or 2 new leaks and timing such releases in an attempt to undermine Estate releases so far, you can't say they don't deserve it.
Say what you will about the Estate's releases so far (or lack thereof) that doesn't give this clusterfuck of a label the right to make a living out of the now finite vault material that the Estate will come to rely on.
[Edited 9/2/18 3:52am]
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Reply #68 posted 09/02/18 6:28am

bonatoc

#TheRealBonatoc
FINALLY! Justice been done! Mindless abuse of Dolby™ C stopped once and 4 goude!
Play America Extended again! Pass the wings, will ya?


Drop the charges as Prince would have,
and then 2 whom it may concern, get your shit 2gether.
'Bout Time.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #69 posted 09/03/18 1:45am

thedance

^^ comment to Azifwekare319:

I must say ur avatar made me smile..!

(thank u).. biggrin



"Lovesex" forever, haha.... lol lol lol

The most embarrassed moment at Paisley Park was this girl... confused cool

Ok she was and probably still is very beautiful, but what a mistake like she had no idea at all about the Prince music.. and didn't she call Larry Graham "Jimi Hendrix"? or was it the oppisite..?

Ok a little off topic my comment here, my mood just got a little better seing that avatar: cool




Now, please back to the "estate" discussion.... how they just cannot handle the "releases".. so it seems.. imho it is so terrible, it can only get better from here. sad sad sad sad sad

Prince 4Ever. heart
Reply #70 posted 09/03/18 2:44am

TheEnglishGent

thedance said:

^^ comment to Azifwekare319:

I must say ur avatar made me smile..!

(thank u).. biggrin



"Lovesex" forever, haha.... lol lol lol

The most embarrassed moment at Paisley Park was this girl... confused cool

Ok she was and probably still is very beautiful, but what a mistake like she had no idea at all about the Prince music.. and didn't she call Larry Graham "Jimi Hendrix"? or was it the oppisite..?

Ok a little off topic my comment here, my mood just got a little better seing that avatar: cool




Now, please back to the "estate" discussion.... how they just cannot handle the "releases".. so it seems.. imho it is so terrible, it can only get better from here. sad sad sad sad sad

My jam!

Is the video for this officially available anywhere? I watched the live stream but haven't seen it since and would love to.

RIP sad
Reply #71 posted 09/03/18 8:47am

Princ3fan046

Mounting lawsuits will only piss off the bootleggers

and they will go harder underground to places the estate can't reach.

They need to be worried about keeping Paisley Park open. eek

Pissed off consumers don't buy things from the company they are upset with.

If people were really upset with bootleggers there would be no market for bootlegs.

**mic drop**

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to
go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.

Princefan046.com
#Prince4ever 💜🎵🎶
Reply #72 posted 09/03/18 8:50am

rdhull

lol lol lol awesome!!

Princ3fan046 said:

Mounting lawsuits will only piss off the bootleggers

and they will go harder underground to places the estate can't reach.

They need to be worried about keeping Paisley Park open. eek

Pissed off consumers don't buy things from the company they are upset with.

If people were really upset with bootleggers there would be no market for bootlegs.

**mic drop**

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #73 posted 09/03/18 9:24am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

Princ3fan046 said:

Mounting lawsuits will only piss off the bootleggers

and they will go harder underground to places the estate can't reach.

They need to be worried about keeping Paisley Park open. eek

Pissed off consumers don't buy things from the company they are upset with.

If people were really upset with bootleggers there would be no market for bootlegs.

**mic drop**


yeahthat

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #74 posted 09/03/18 9:51am

databank

Princ3fan046 said:

Mounting lawsuits will only piss off the bootleggers

and they will go harder underground to places the estate can't reach.

They need to be worried about keeping Paisley Park open. eek

Pissed off consumers don't buy things from the company they are upset with.

If people were really upset with bootleggers there would be no market for bootlegs.

**mic drop**

To be honest creating a "label" maybe isn't the smartest way to keep a low profile. The days when Italy allowed you to have an office address for your bootleg company are long gone. I've always wondered how Sabotage for example could release hundreds of Prince boots and get away with it, I guess Prince was careless. But make it a one by one anonymous release without a label and you'll make it harder for the copyright owners to sue you for a whole catalogue: better to be caught for one or 2 releases than for 50.

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Reply #75 posted 09/03/18 10:13am

Kares

databank said:

To be honest creating a "label" maybe isn't the smartest way to keep a low profile. The days when Italy allowed you to have an office address for your bootleg company are long gone. I've always wondered how Sabotage for example could release hundreds of Prince boots and get away with it, I guess Prince was careless. But make it a one by one anonymous release without a label and you'll make it harder for the copyright owners to sue you for a whole catalogue: better to be caught for one or 2 releases than for 50.

.
It's about marketing. If you create a label and produce high quality stuff, you can gain reputation amongst the collectors and you will sell a lot more as people will start collecting your releases.
.
The risks of getting caught are very slim.
.

[Edited 9/3/18 10:13am]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #76 posted 09/03/18 10:55am

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

To be honest creating a "label" maybe isn't the smartest way to keep a low profile. The days when Italy allowed you to have an office address for your bootleg company are long gone. I've always wondered how Sabotage for example could release hundreds of Prince boots and get away with it, I guess Prince was careless. But make it a one by one anonymous release without a label and you'll make it harder for the copyright owners to sue you for a whole catalogue: better to be caught for one or 2 releases than for 50.

.
It's about marketing. If you create a label and produce high quality stuff, you can gain reputation amongst the collectors and you will sell a lot more as people will start collecting your releases.
.
The risks of getting caught are very slim.
.

[Edited 9/3/18 10:13am]

Yeah I realized that. Now about the risks of getting caught they're only as slim as the people whose copyright you infrige's will to fight copyright infrigement. If the Estate wants to find them they will, those bootlegs are not paid in bitcoins on the darkwab.

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Reply #77 posted 09/03/18 11:03am

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

.
It's about marketing. If you create a label and produce high quality stuff, you can gain reputation amongst the collectors and you will sell a lot more as people will start collecting your releases.
.
The risks of getting caught are very slim.
.

[Edited 9/3/18 10:13am]

Yeah I realized that. Now about the risks of getting caught they're only as slim as the people whose copyright you infrige's will to fight copyright infrigement. If the Estate wants to find them they will,

.
Don't hold your breath... Unless the bootleggers are stupid, they can be extremely hard to be tracked down and taken to court as I think the estate will soon find out for themselves.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #78 posted 09/03/18 11:48am

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

Yeah I realized that. Now about the risks of getting caught they're only as slim as the people whose copyright you infrige's will to fight copyright infrigement. If the Estate wants to find them they will,

.
Don't hold your breath... Unless the bootleggers are stupid, they can be extremely hard to be tracked down and taken to court as I think the estate will soon find out for themselves.

If we know who's behind Eye Records (and many people in this community do, it really isn't much of a secret), I'm pretty sure the Estate's top dollars lawyers can find out pretty easily.

Now as to proving shit in a court of law, it's another matter of course, but when it comes to getting caught those guys aren't drugs or arms dealers: we're not talking about organized crime and accounts in the Bahamas here lol

But like I said above, I hope the Estate is just scaring 'em off and that no one will get hurt.

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Reply #79 posted 09/03/18 11:50am

purplethunder3121

databank said:

Princ3fan046 said:

Mounting lawsuits will only piss off the bootleggers

and they will go harder underground to places the estate can't reach.

They need to be worried about keeping Paisley Park open. eek

Pissed off consumers don't buy things from the company they are upset with.

If people were really upset with bootleggers there would be no market for bootlegs.

**mic drop**

To be honest creating a "label" maybe isn't the smartest way to keep a low profile. The days when Italy allowed you to have an office address for your bootleg company are long gone. I've always wondered how Sabotage for example could release hundreds of Prince boots and get away with it, I guess Prince was careless. But make it a one by one anonymous release without a label and you'll make it harder for the copyright owners to sue you for a whole catalogue: better to be caught for one or 2 releases than for 50.

That makes me wonder what countries still allow factory pressed boots... hmmm

There's no them...there's only us...
Reply #80 posted 09/03/18 2:26pm

SuperFurryAnimal

SoulAlive said:

hmmm  I understand why the estate is suing and they certainly have the right to but.....I just think that it's too late (and kinda pointless)  to go after the bootleggers.Prince bootlegs have been circulating since the 80s! So much stuff is already out there and make no mistake,it will continue to circulate forever.Eye Records is just one of many,many sources to obtain this stuff.


 


What the estate should be doing is trying to find a way to beat the bootleggers at their own game.....maybe set up a NPG Music Club type of service where fans can legally purchase unreleased Prince music,concerts,etc.



I agree and will add I really believe Crystal Ball had an effect on the value of many bootlegs. If certain tracks were on a bootleg but in better quality on official release it had a diminishing effect on bootlegs value. The estate would be smart to roll out CB 2 and 3 as Prince intended. Most of the stuff Prince half assed released probably as well could be repackaged, resold over the web and plenty of it. I think it is the right of them to be able to release what they want I also don't know about Tyka if she has all the control over releases, I think other siblings would have an equal say but she tends to try to be the voice. I also don't believe going after them legally will help. Think about this what if they lose. Especially if some laws are screwy in other countries.
I think we can all collectively say.
Reply #81 posted 09/03/18 2:29pm

SuperFurryAnimal

Lovejunky said:

 



luv4u said:


^^^^^ I liked the NPGMC store.....



ME TOO....


Image result for NPGMC



Sam Jennings did the best work for Prince online. Wish they would just contact him and restart something like NPGMC.
I think we can all collectively say.
Reply #82 posted 09/03/18 3:10pm

OperatingThetan

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Lovejunky said:

 



luv4u said:


^^^^^ I liked the NPGMC store.....



ME TOO....


Image result for NPGMC



Sam Jennings did the best work for Prince online. Wish they would just contact him and restart something like NPGMC.


Agreed. Sam Jennings would be the man for that.
Reply #83 posted 09/03/18 3:43pm

Lovejunky

OperatingThetan said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:
Sam Jennings did the best work for Prince online. Wish they would just contact him and restart something like NPGMC.
Agreed. Sam Jennings would be the man for that.

Very Hard to understand why they havent involved him more in everything online....

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #84 posted 09/04/18 7:13am

Azifwekare319

thedance said:

^^ comment to Azifwekare319:

I must say ur avatar made me smile..!

(thank u).. biggrin



"Lovesex" forever, haha.... lol lol lol

The most embarrassed moment at Paisley Park was this girl...  confused cool

Ok she was and probably still is very beautiful, but what a mistake like she had no idea at all about the Prince music.. and didn't she call Larry Graham "Jimi Hendrix"? or was it the oppisite..?

Ok a little off topic my comment here, my mood just got a little better seing that avatar: cool



Haha, yes, it really has to be seen to be believed! The mental gymnastics she must have gone through when she got to that mural was pretty amazing.

TheEnglishGent said:

My jam!

Is the video for this officially available anywhere? I watched the live stream but haven't seen it since and would love to. 


I saw it live too but have only been able to find a really low quality video of it that I haven't even watched properly yet. Can't remember where I even found it. A decent video of this seems impossible to find, which is a shame as it was a really fun watch.
If you ever lose someone dear 2 U, never say the words "they're gone". They'll come back.
Reply #85 posted 09/04/18 11:37am

Cinny

Well, I do find it funny when people get mad when TIDAL releases material "you've already heard" when you were never supposed to have it in the first place. razz

But I swear that Prince's 4Ever had Eye Records' Blast From The Past's copy of "Moonbeam Levels" on there. wink

Reply #86 posted 09/04/18 11:57am

Cinny

SchlomoThaHomo said:

This lawsuit is a Blast From The Past. It's almost like he's still with us! lol

lol

Reply #87 posted 09/04/18 11:59am

Cinny

I liked their album artwork, but apparently that is the main part of this infringement lawsuit.

Reply #88 posted 09/04/18 12:41pm

luvsexy4all

not a coincidence this is being done to coincide with the 9/21 release

Reply #89 posted 09/04/18 3:18pm

Azifwekare319

It looks like the Estate knows exactly who's behind Eye and where they are:
http://www.startribune.com/prince-estate-sues-brazen-bootlegger-others-selling-cds-of-his-last-show-trove-of-other-music/492422931/
If you ever lose someone dear 2 U, never say the words "they're gone". They'll come back.
Reply #90 posted 09/04/18 3:25pm

Azifwekare319

Tbh, I'm surprised they haven't been caught sooner, they're pretty blatant about it. That lovesigne guy even has his actual name appear when he sends out the promotional emails.
If you ever lose someone dear 2 U, never say the words "they're gone". They'll come back.
Reply #91 posted 09/04/18 4:49pm

onlyforaminute

Princ3fan046 said:

Mounting lawsuits will only piss off the bootleggers

and they will go harder underground to places the estate can't reach.

They need to be worried about keeping Paisley Park open. eek

Pissed off consumers don't buy things from the company they are upset with.

If people were really upset with bootleggers there would be no market for bootlegs.

**mic drop**

SuperFurryAnimal said:

go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.



I want this t-shirt.

"If you want the wise man to be as angry as the unworthiness of the crimes demands, he must become not angry but insane."
- Seneca, On Anger 2.9.4
Reply #92 posted 09/04/18 8:52pm

goldtele

GeurtWalraven said:

In the 90's-00's there was a truckload of Elvis Presley bootlegs featuring soundboards, outtakes, you name it. His record company started a ''collectors label'' in 1999. One of the reasons was to stop the releases of bootlegs. And it worked. Every now and then still Elvis bootlegs are coming out. Mostly with audience recorded concerts or re-releases from old bootlegs. The label is now going 19 years and still going strong. By now 173 titles has been released featuring books, concerts and outtakes. With so many material of Prince in the vaults, its a great opportunity to do the same. 


Ive been saying the same thing. I am an avid Elvis & Prince collector and I think what RCA/BMG did with the FTD label was a perfect option for the fans. It didnt slow down any of the official releases at all either which I think is what the Prince estate might be worried about. I own almost every FTD release as well as most of what RCA has put out the past 20 years. Prince fans would totally support this concept and I think it would be a win / win for everyone...
I wonder if the Graceland execs have discussed this option with the family...
Reply #93 posted 09/05/18 3:07am

Vannormal

Honestly,

bootleggers are the ONLY source that provide us with unreleased music.

-

Do we like to have and hear it ?

Yes. (we're all weak and insatiable).

Do we like bootleggers ?

Mostly 'no' : they are way to expensive for something that officialy doesn't belong to them.

So they are cash grabbers.

-

What to do about it?

Copy their illegal releases as much as possible, share copies for free with everyone.

Let them feel that they can not grab (too much) cash.

And be honest, cause somehow we want/need them.

Alow them to 'have' something, but not too much.

-

Then again, know that all things illegal got 'leaked' by someone inside the Park.

Wether it was Prince, or employees.

These situations are known and will always be like this, nothing ever will change.

I even expect cleaned up and mixed versions of unreleased stuff to be leaked

from The Estate. mind my words. wink

As long as you have people involved and not enough paid for instance,

you will always have this hapening.

-

So don't make the 'inbetween money grabbers' like bootleggers take too much profit from it.

Just alow them to have a fair piece of the illegal cake.

Or...

Don't buy boots, and don't even listen to them online, ànd be super honest - if you realy can do this.

Only then you are alowed to bully and bitch on everyone as much as you like about this isue.

...only when you are a true purple-saint.

-

I'm weak.

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #94 posted 09/05/18 6:20am

databank

Azifwekare319 said:

It looks like the Estate knows exactly who's behind Eye and where they are: http://www.startribune.co...492422931/

It looks like the Estate's lawyers are a bunch of amateurs.

.

Intrigued, if only because one of the offenders comes from my home city, something I wasn't aware of before, I've checked Google maps for this guy's address (admitting it's his address, there may be several people named like him in this particular city), and I wanted to see how you could possibly see the word "bootlegger" on the door on a Google Map pic, like was it written that big or what?

.

And, yeah, quite ironically there is a CLUB next to that particular address that's called "Le Bootlegger". You know, a night club. A quick reseach leads you to articles about the club and you learn that its owners are well known bars and clubs owners in the city, that the name and club's concept are related to the old American prohibition of alcohol, and that it has nothing to do with music bootlegs or this Eye Records dude who just happens, if that's him indeed, to live next door.

.

So much for the guy being a "brazen bootlegger" falloff

.

And so much for the Star Tribune doing fact checking, which incidentally happens to be their job as journalists rolleyes

.

Anyway, once again, I hope this is only a warning and that those guys will eventually be left alone (which, apparently, is what's going to happen according to the article). Worst case, I believe justice should be proportionate to the offence. I have no idea how much money those guys made off Eye Records, it might be a lot but I can't imagine it to be anywhere near the 2 million dollars per bootleg amount asked by the Estate.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #95 posted 09/05/18 7:39am

Azifwekare319

databank said:

Anyway, once again, I hope this is only a warning and that those guys will eventually be left alone (which, apparently, is what's going to happen according to the article). Worst case, I believe justice should be proportionate to the offence. I have no idea how much money those guys made off Eye Records, it might be a lot but I can't imagine it to be anywhere near the 2 million dollars per bootleg amount asked by the Estate.


These sets can range from €40-80 (and in some special cases beyond), with anywhere between 400-1000 copies made per release. The Estate mentions that there have been 18 releases since Prince's death, but the catalog numbers listed on Discogs indicate a few more than that.
Assuming the releases sell out, which according to Eye and also the resale value they do, that would mean since Prince's death alone they could have made anywhere from as little as €288,000 to as much as €1.6 million. That's not even considering the hundreds of Eye releases from before then (plus the bootlegs from various other labels and assorted home made burn-offs sold through that Lovesigne site).
Probably pocket money to the Estate, but nothing to sniff at for random people who simply download, press and sell leaked material.
[Edited 9/5/18 7:45am]
If you ever lose someone dear 2 U, never say the words "they're gone". They'll come back.
Reply #96 posted 09/05/18 7:56am

sulls

So, with EYE effectively sidelined, will the keepers open their hard drive vaults and share with the purple faithful from their bounty of goodies? Most likely - no. The 'fuck EYE' talk is all bullshit. EYE is a necessary evil in that they're the only way many of us get to hear anything, held back for the sake of keeping profiteers from making money off of Prince's property.

"I like to watch."
Reply #97 posted 09/05/18 8:16am

databank

Azifwekare319 said:

databank said:
Anyway, once again, I hope this is only a warning and that those guys will eventually be left alone (which, apparently, is what's going to happen according to the article). Worst case, I believe justice should be proportionate to the offence. I have no idea how much money those guys made off Eye Records, it might be a lot but I can't imagine it to be anywhere near the 2 million dollars per bootleg amount asked by the Estate.
These sets can range from €40-80 (and in some special cases beyond), with anywhere between 400-1000 copies made per release. The Estate mentions that there have been 18 releases since Prince's death, but the catalog numbers listed on Discogs indicate a few more than that. Assuming the releases sell out, which according to Eye and also the resale value they do, that would mean since Prince's death alone they could have made anywhere from as little as €288,000 to as much as €1.6 million. That's not even considering the hundreds of Eye releases from before then (plus the bootlegs from various other labels and assorted home made burn-offs sold through that Lovesigne site). Probably pocket money to the Estate, but nothing to sniff at for random people who simply download, press and sell leaked material. [Edited 9/5/18 7:45am]

Hell! With figures like I should have manufactured bootlegs instead of wasting my life lol I can't then imagine how much the Sabotage people made with their 100+ releases eek

Regardless, even at 1.6 millions we're far from 2x18=36 millions.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #98 posted 09/05/18 8:31am

feeluupp

The digipack of the Silverline records boots of The Chocolate Invasion & The Slaughterhouse were going for over $200 on eBAY after his death.. Currently they are selling for over $80 each.

Reply #99 posted 09/05/18 10:24am

databank

Regardless, the Estate has made fools of themselves with this "bootlegger sign on the brazen bootlegger's front door" story. I mean seriously? Top dollar Hollywood lawyers? Gross. lol lol lol

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Reply #100 posted 09/05/18 10:39am

violetcrush

databank said:

Regardless, the Estate has made fools of themselves with this "bootlegger sign on the brazen bootlegger's front door" story. I mean seriously? Top dollar Hollywood lawyers? Gross. lol lol lol

It seems that the money the Estate will spend on the top brass lawyers to pursue this law suit is just a waste.

Reply #101 posted 09/05/18 11:33am

Cinny

The copyright laws were invented to prevent people from selling their own copies of official products. Think Xeroxed album covers and blank tapes or CDs.

Eye Records had original art and Prince vocal reference tracks that fDeluxe studied for their debut, The Family. That is very unique to the market. The audio was also good enough to go on 4Ever.

I would say "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" ie. hire them to curate future official releases.

Reply #102 posted 09/05/18 11:48am

luvsexy4all

leggers need to realize not to be so brazen

Reply #103 posted 09/05/18 11:56am

databank

Cinny said:

The copyright laws were invented to prevent people from selling their own copies of official products. Think Xeroxed album covers and blank tapes or CDs.

Eye Records had original art and Prince vocal reference tracks that fDeluxe studied for their debut, The Family. That is very unique to the market. The audio was also good enough to go on 4Ever.

I would say "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" ie. hire them to curate future official releases.

Now don't push it falloff

.

Those Eye Records compilations are the exact example of what not to do: loudness wars in the mastering; rehashing by rereleasing things that have already been released or leaked without improvement on sound quality; fakes and fanmade mixes shamelessely thrown in the mix; totally random compilations of tracks that have nothing to do together on a single set and that aren't even organized in a proper way; greedy politics placing maximum profits over respect for the artist, the material and the audience; not to mention all the behind the scenes dirty politics, lies, broken promises and betrayals that allowed Eye to obtain those tapes from elite traders.

.

You mad about what Sony did to the MJ legacy? Just imagine the reaction if WB began to release sets similar to those BFTP sets? Hell, look at the shit Prince had to deal with when he released Crystal Ball! But miraculously bootleggers can release any sort of shitty compilation and get praise for it? What sense does it make?

.

There certainly are people in this community who could provide good advice, from a fan's perpective, to the Estate, but those Eye Records folks certainly haven't demonstrated any professional qualities in that regard lol

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Reply #104 posted 09/05/18 11:57am

databank

luvsexy4all said:

leggers need to realize not to be so brazen

lol lol lol

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Reply #105 posted 09/05/18 12:07pm

Azifwekare319

Cinny said:

The copyright laws were invented to prevent people from selling their own copies of official products.  Think Xeroxed album covers and blank tapes or CDs.

Eye Records had original art and Prince vocal reference tracks that fDeluxe studied for their debut, The Family.  That is very unique to the market.  The audio was also good enough to go on 4Ever.

I would say "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" ie. hire them to curate future official releases.


That doesn't matter. It's one thing to make a few bootlegs for the sake of sharing otherwise unheard music for the fans, but as the above numbers show, these guys clearly make their living out of downloading and selling someone else's work that they don't own.
No matter how professional the artwork is or how clear the audio sounds, it's still stolen shit.
To make things worse, they usually repackage and sell fan-made releases that were originally shared for free.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not getting on my high horse here. I collect just as many bootlegs as the next hardcore fan, and I'm not above paying for nice quality sets. But Eye got too cocky and careless, and it's coming back to them. If they get screwed over this then too bad. If it's just scare tactics and they get let off, then good for them. Whatever happens, happens - it'll just make other bootleggers more careful in the future.

And judging from scatty, overpriced filler like Blast From The Past, I don't think any of these guys are getting hired to curate anything anytime soon.
If you ever lose someone dear 2 U, never say the words "they're gone". They'll come back.
Reply #106 posted 09/05/18 12:10pm

Azifwekare319

databank said:

 



Cinny said:


The copyright laws were invented to prevent people from selling their own copies of official products.  Think Xeroxed album covers and blank tapes or CDs.

Eye Records had original art and Prince vocal reference tracks that fDeluxe studied for their debut, The Family.  That is very unique to the market.  The audio was also good enough to go on 4Ever.

I would say "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" ie. hire them to curate future official releases.



Now don't push it falloff


.


Those Eye Records compilations are the exact example of what not to do: loudness wars in the mastering; rehashing by rereleasing things that have already been released or leaked without improvement on sound quality; fakes and fanmade mixes shamelessely thrown in the mix; totally random compilations of tracks that have nothing to do together on a single set and that aren't even organized in a proper way; greedy politics placing maximum profits over respect for the artist, the material and the audience; not to mention all the behind the scenes dirty politics, lies, broken promises and betrayals that allowed Eye to obtain those tapes from elite traders.


.


You mad about what Sony did to the MJ legacy? Just imagine the reaction if WB began to release sets similar to those BFTP sets? Hell, look at the shit Prince had to deal with when he released Crystal Ball! But miraculously bootleggers can release any sort of shitty compilation and get praise for it? What sense does it make?


.


There certainly are people in this community who could provide good advice, from a fan's perpective, to the Estate, but those Eye Records folks certainly haven't demonstrated any professional qualities in that regard lol



:yeahthat:
If you ever lose someone dear 2 U, never say the words "they're gone". They'll come back.
Reply #107 posted 09/05/18 12:34pm

chelray1

goldtele said:

GeurtWalraven said:

In the 90's-00's there was a truckload of Elvis Presley bootlegs featuring soundboards, outtakes, you name it. His record company started a ''collectors label'' in 1999. One of the reasons was to stop the releases of bootlegs. And it worked. Every now and then still Elvis bootlegs are coming out. Mostly with audience recorded concerts or re-releases from old bootlegs. The label is now going 19 years and still going strong. By now 173 titles has been released featuring books, concerts and outtakes. With so many material of Prince in the vaults, its a great opportunity to do the same.

Ive been saying the same thing. I am an avid Elvis & Prince collector and I think what RCA/BMG did with the FTD label was a perfect option for the fans. It didnt slow down any of the official releases at all either which I think is what the Prince estate might be worried about. I own almost every FTD release as well as most of what RCA has put out the past 20 years. Prince fans would totally support this concept and I think it would be a win / win for everyone... I wonder if the Graceland execs have discussed this option with the family...

Yeap, Im a Prince and Elvis collector as well. The FTD label has been a Godsend for collectors and has almost stopped the bootleg market of Elvis. I have every FTD release...The reason the label is so good is the man behind the label - Ernst Jorgensen.

After seeing the sales of bootlegs, Ernst Jorgensen convinced BMG (the owner at the time before Sony came into it) to let him start a collector's label, this was in 1999. And they named it Follow That Dream.

FTD (Follow That Dream), Sony Music's Official Elvis Presley Collectors label was established in 1999 to serve the dedicated Elvis collector and to complement the commercial and artistic level of RCA's retail release schedule by issuing repertoire that is considered of interest to serious Elvis fans and collectors, material that is generally not part of mainstream RCA label releases to the public at large.

THIS IS EXACTLY what needs to happen with Prince's vault. However, so far, the releases that have been done is for the general masses and not the serious Prince collector.. Even those releases that have came since Prince's passing have been put together without anyone that really KNOWS Prince's Entire Catalog.

[Edited 9/5/18 12:35pm]

FREE THE MUSIC - "Official or NOT"
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Reply #108 posted 09/05/18 12:40pm

luvsexy4all

they dont want people spending ALL our money on just ONE artist

Reply #109 posted 09/05/18 12:41pm

thedance

the estate, the Prince reklatives are greedy.. what else are the motives:

eek the estate = our enemies, we the hardcore fans, who just wanna enjoy the music.

I say "f*ck off"! A**h*les.

No room for the estate, in my little world.

mad sad sad sad

the estate still haven't proved they are capable to handle the vault full of music...

Pretty scary imho...... sad sad sad sad

Prince 4Ever. heart
Reply #110 posted 09/05/18 12:49pm

thedance

In a good (Princefan)world we need to have download links, lots and lots of music.

Product, do we need that? .........sure, dvd's - cd's - Lp vinyls.

Bring it on, I wanna spend some money, to own the music legally..

But... damn, that upcoming release is just a terrible bad recording.


The estate they seems clueless to what we need??

Really depressing, that we have to wait til 2019 for something interesting..

Boxsets with remasters, just HOW difficult can that be,


Will Sony re-release "35 albums", like we were told?


Fine bring it ON,

But to sue fans, that will just bring much anger from the community...... sad




Prince 4Ever. heart
Reply #111 posted 09/05/18 1:03pm

Cinny

databank said:

Cinny said:

The copyright laws were invented to prevent people from selling their own copies of official products. Think Xeroxed album covers and blank tapes or CDs.

Eye Records had original art and Prince vocal reference tracks that fDeluxe studied for their debut, The Family. That is very unique to the market. The audio was also good enough to go on 4Ever.

I would say "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" ie. hire them to curate future official releases.

Now don't push it falloff

.

Those Eye Records compilations are the exact example of what not to do: loudness wars in the mastering; rehashing by rereleasing things that have already been released or leaked without improvement on sound quality; fakes and fanmade mixes shamelessely thrown in the mix; totally random compilations of tracks that have nothing to do together on a single set and that aren't even organized in a proper way; greedy politics placing maximum profits over respect for the artist, the material and the audience; not to mention all the behind the scenes dirty politics, lies, broken promises and betrayals that allowed Eye to obtain those tapes from elite traders.

.

You mad about what Sony did to the MJ legacy? Just imagine the reaction if WB began to release sets similar to those BFTP sets? Hell, look at the shit Prince had to deal with when he released Crystal Ball! But miraculously bootleggers can release any sort of shitty compilation and get praise for it? What sense does it make?

.

There certainly are people in this community who could provide good advice, from a fan's perpective, to the Estate, but those Eye Records folks certainly haven't demonstrated any professional qualities in that regard lol


Welp, they seem to know what diehards want (and when they want it).

Reply #112 posted 09/05/18 1:05pm

violetcrush

chelray1 said:

goldtele said:

GeurtWalraven said: Ive been saying the same thing. I am an avid Elvis & Prince collector and I think what RCA/BMG did with the FTD label was a perfect option for the fans. It didnt slow down any of the official releases at all either which I think is what the Prince estate might be worried about. I own almost every FTD release as well as most of what RCA has put out the past 20 years. Prince fans would totally support this concept and I think it would be a win / win for everyone... I wonder if the Graceland execs have discussed this option with the family...

Yeap, Im a Prince and Elvis collector as well. The FTD label has been a Godsend for collectors and has almost stopped the bootleg market of Elvis. I have every FTD release...The reason the label is so good is the man behind the label - Ernst Jorgensen.

After seeing the sales of bootlegs, Ernst Jorgensen convinced BMG (the owner at the time before Sony came into it) to let him start a collector's label, this was in 1999. And they named it Follow That Dream.

FTD (Follow That Dream), Sony Music's Official Elvis Presley Collectors label was established in 1999 to serve the dedicated Elvis collector and to complement the commercial and artistic level of RCA's retail release schedule by issuing repertoire that is considered of interest to serious Elvis fans and collectors, material that is generally not part of mainstream RCA label releases to the public at large.

THIS IS EXACTLY what needs to happen with Prince's vault. However, so far, the releases that have been done is for the general masses and not the serious Prince collector.. Even those releases that have came since Prince's passing have been put together without anyone that really KNOWS Prince's Entire Catalog.

[Edited 9/5/18 12:35pm]

This seems very logical and smart to me - a "collectors" label and "retail" label working together on releases, with the key component being to appoint the right person(s) to run the "collectors" side of things.

Reply #113 posted 09/05/18 1:48pm

Kares

feeluupp said:

The digipack of the Silverline records boots of The Chocolate Invasion & The Slaughterhouse were going for over $200 on eBAY after his death.. Currently they are selling for over $80 each.

.

To be precise, such releases are not bootlegs, they are pirate releases and it's an important distinction.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #114 posted 09/05/18 2:24pm

databank

thedance said:

the estate, the Prince reklatives are greedy.. what else are the motives:

People need to realize that for the moment, Prince's family has no say on the Estate's actions.

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Reply #115 posted 09/05/18 2:40pm

databank

Cinny said:

databank said:

Now don't push it falloff

.

Those Eye Records compilations are the exact example of what not to do: loudness wars in the mastering; rehashing by rereleasing things that have already been released or leaked without improvement on sound quality; fakes and fanmade mixes shamelessely thrown in the mix; totally random compilations of tracks that have nothing to do together on a single set and that aren't even organized in a proper way; greedy politics placing maximum profits over respect for the artist, the material and the audience; not to mention all the behind the scenes dirty politics, lies, broken promises and betrayals that allowed Eye to obtain those tapes from elite traders.

.

You mad about what Sony did to the MJ legacy? Just imagine the reaction if WB began to release sets similar to those BFTP sets? Hell, look at the shit Prince had to deal with when he released Crystal Ball! But miraculously bootleggers can release any sort of shitty compilation and get praise for it? What sense does it make?

.

There certainly are people in this community who could provide good advice, from a fan's perpective, to the Estate, but those Eye Records folks certainly haven't demonstrated any professional qualities in that regard lol


Welp, they seem to know what diehards want (and when they want it).

No, no no, let's be specific here, because I see there's a lot of confusion around those matters.

They don't know anything except people.

It's not like they're sitting on a huge collection of uncirculating tapes and carefully curate it by choosing what to release when.

They grab anything they can from any "elite" trader who is willing to sell or give them tapes, then they release it.

But in order to make more expensive sets, they add to it anything that's recently been leaked for free online, as well as old outtakes they got from existing bootlegs and even, when Prince was alive, some official releases or streams.

Now certain people say those things wouldn't get out if they weren't paying traders to get the tapes, and therefore it's good that they do it. In a way that's true, certain things wouldn't have been leaked for free and only made it to us because Eye Records paid for it. So of course that is cool for us, and in a way I'm as grateful as anyone for this.

But that also involves a lot of dirty business and makes a lot of people upset, believe me.

And there are other bootleg "labels" or people who leak things for free, and I think it's fair enough to support those more than a label that does it for money, given that what the sell isn't theirs to sell in the first place.

What Eye Records does is to take advantage of a certain fringe of old fans who are too old to have taken the step towards digital music and who will pay anything to get a proper physical CD, even if it's unofficial and if half of it is full of crap they already had on older bootlegs. They only exist because so many Prince fans are over 50.

Now except for some traders who get pissed, they don't hurt no one by doing that, and that's why I don't want them sued for millions any more than you do. But let's not make them look like dignified curators of Prince music or heroes of the fandom like some would like to. They're basically carpet sellers, and what they do they do it only for the $$$.

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Reply #116 posted 09/05/18 2:41pm

databank

Kares said:

feeluupp said:

The digipack of the Silverline records boots of The Chocolate Invasion & The Slaughterhouse were going for over $200 on eBAY after his death.. Currently they are selling for over $80 each.

.

To be precise, such releases are not bootlegs, they are pirate releases and it's an important distinction.

nod

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Reply #117 posted 09/05/18 4:24pm

Azifwekare319

thedance said:

In a good (Princefan)world we need to have download links, lots and lots of music.

Product, do we need that? .....sure, dvd's - cd's - Lp vinyls.

Bring it on, I wanna spend some money, to own the music legally..

But... damn, that upcoming release is just a terrible bad recording.


The estate they seems clueless to what we need??

Really depressing, that we have to wait til 2019 for something interesting..

Boxsets with remasters, just HOW difficult can that be,


Will Sony re-release "35 albums", like we were told?


Fine bring it ON, 

But to sue fans, that will just bring much anger from the community..... sad






The P&AM album is a beautiful recording. It just sucks that I've already had it on the Intimate Moments CD for about a decade.
If you ever lose someone dear 2 U, never say the words "they're gone". They'll come back.
Reply #118 posted 09/05/18 4:52pm

Transformed1

So, just playing devil's advocate here...

Eye records sells music that they did not write, perform, or record. They make money off of music that they did not create.

The Estate sells music that they did not write, perform, or record. they make money off of music that they did not create.

Prince wrote, performed, and recorded this music. He is not around to sell it or make money off of it. And he didn't leave a will to tell everyone what HE wanted done.

Reply #119 posted 09/05/18 4:58pm

djThunderfunk

databank said:

Cinny said:


Welp, they seem to know what diehards want (and when they want it).

No, no no, let's be specific here, because I see there's a lot of confusion around those matters.

They don't know anything except people.

It's not like they're sitting on a huge collection of uncirculating tapes and carefully curate it by choosing what to release when.

They grab anything they can from any "elite" trader who is willing to sell or give them tapes, then they release it.

But in order to make more expensive sets, they add to it anything that's recently been leaked for free online, as well as old outtakes they got from existing bootlegs and even, when Prince was alive, some official releases or streams.

Now certain people say those things wouldn't get out if they weren't paying traders to get the tapes, and therefore it's good that they do it. In a way that's true, certain things wouldn't have been leaked for free and only made it to us because Eye Records paid for it. So of course that is cool for us, and in a way I'm as grateful as anyone for this.

But that also involves a lot of dirty business and makes a lot of people upset, believe me.

And there are other bootleg "labels" or people who leak things for free, and I think it's fair enough to support those more than a label that does it for money, given that what the sell isn't theirs to sell in the first place.

What Eye Records does is to take advantage of a certain fringe of old fans who are too old to have taken the step towards digital music and who will pay anything to get a proper physical CD, even if it's unofficial and if half of it is full of crap they already had on older bootlegs. They only exist because so many Prince fans are over 50.

Now except for some traders who get pissed, they don't hurt no one by doing that, and that's why I don't want them sued for millions any more than you do. But let's not make them look like dignified curators of Prince music or heroes of the fandom like some would like to. They're basically carpet sellers, and what they do they do it only for the $$$.


So well said!

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #120 posted 09/05/18 5:27pm

sulls

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

No, no no, let's be specific here, because I see there's a lot of confusion around those matters.

They don't know anything except people.

It's not like they're sitting on a huge collection of uncirculating tapes and carefully curate it by choosing what to release when.

They grab anything they can from any "elite" trader who is willing to sell or give them tapes, then they release it.

But in order to make more expensive sets, they add to it anything that's recently been leaked for free online, as well as old outtakes they got from existing bootlegs and even, when Prince was alive, some official releases or streams.

Now certain people say those things wouldn't get out if they weren't paying traders to get the tapes, and therefore it's good that they do it. In a way that's true, certain things wouldn't have been leaked for free and only made it to us because Eye Records paid for it. So of course that is cool for us, and in a way I'm as grateful as anyone for this.

But that also involves a lot of dirty business and makes a lot of people upset, believe me.

And there are other bootleg "labels" or people who leak things for free, and I think it's fair enough to support those more than a label that does it for money, given that what the sell isn't theirs to sell in the first place.

What Eye Records does is to take advantage of a certain fringe of old fans who are too old to have taken the step towards digital music and who will pay anything to get a proper physical CD, even if it's unofficial and if half of it is full of crap they already had on older bootlegs. They only exist because so many Prince fans are over 50.

Now except for some traders who get pissed, they don't hurt no one by doing that, and that's why I don't want them sued for millions any more than you do. But let's not make them look like dignified curators of Prince music or heroes of the fandom like some would like to. They're basically carpet sellers, and what they do they do it only for the $$$.


So well said!

STILL - there would not have been any leaks if it were not for EYE. Just sayin'.

"I like to watch."
Reply #121 posted 09/05/18 9:32pm

databank

sulls said:

djThunderfunk said:


So well said!

Correction: STILL - there would not have been that many leaks if it were not for EYE. Just sayin'.

I acknowledged that myself.

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Reply #122 posted 09/06/18 12:35am

leadline

Such a shame, who buys Prince bootlegs? Hardcore fans. Who would buy released copies of all these bootlegs? Hardcore fans. Getting rid of bootlegs has no effect on the bottom line for the estate. So I never understood this being an issue. Prince bootlegs are nice little gifts to the hardcore fans who have supported him his entire career. Prince stuff on youtube however is great exposure for the casual fan, and can only increase money coming into the estate with the added exposure to all things Prince.

Now Prince fans profiting off of Prince music, that is another story, there are some out there simply selling access to digital Prince music that they have, or, making physical duplicates of boots, and selling those. These people should be ashamed of themselves......you know who you are. These people bother much more than the main boot companies.


Anyway, I guess the writing was on the wall, and these hammers will keep dropping for decades to come.

peace





[Edited 9/6/18 1:43am]

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #123 posted 09/06/18 12:50am

ForceofNature

I am not suprised, making money off of someone else's music is obviously a no-no.

I have always made it a point to download all music from bootleg labels for free, I never pay for unnoficial releases

Reply #124 posted 09/06/18 1:39am

TheEnglishGent

leadline said:

Such a shame, who buys Prince bootlegs? Hardcore fans. Who would buy released copies of all these bootlegs? Hardcore fans. Getting rid of bootlegs has no effect on the bottom line for the estate. So I never understood this being an issue. Prince bootlegs are nice little gifts to the hardcore fans who have supported him his entire career. Prince stuff on youtube however is great exposure for the casual fan, and can only increase money coming into the estate with the added exposure to all things Prince.

Anyway, I guess the writing was on the wall, and these hammers will keep dropping for decades to come.

peace


[Edited 9/6/18 0:58am]

Are you sure about that? There were a lot of people saying that they wouldn't be buying P&M because they have had Intimate Moments for years. I believe that there would be a lor more excitement for this release if we hadn't had it years ago. I'll be buying it because it has better sound quality, at least, if Mary Don't You Weep is representative, and because I want to support official releases.


Don't get me wrong though, I think this is a poor thing to release and it would hardly set the world on fire if we hadn't already had it, it is very niche. But I do believe that it will sell less copies than it would had it not already been bootlegged.

RIP sad
Reply #125 posted 09/06/18 1:48am

leadline

TheEnglishGent said:

leadline said:

Such a shame, who buys Prince bootlegs? Hardcore fans. Who would buy released copies of all these bootlegs? Hardcore fans. Getting rid of bootlegs has no effect on the bottom line for the estate. So I never understood this being an issue. Prince bootlegs are nice little gifts to the hardcore fans who have supported him his entire career. Prince stuff on youtube however is great exposure for the casual fan, and can only increase money coming into the estate with the added exposure to all things Prince.

Anyway, I guess the writing was on the wall, and these hammers will keep dropping for decades to come.

peace


[Edited 9/6/18 0:58am]

Are you sure about that? There were a lot of people saying that they wouldn't be buying P&M because they have had Intimate Moments for years. I believe that there would be a lor more excitement for this release if we hadn't had it years ago. I'll be buying it because it has better sound quality, at least, if Mary Don't You Weep is representative, and because I want to support official releases.


Don't get me wrong though, I think this is a poor thing to release and it would hardly set the world on fire if we hadn't already had it, it is very niche. But I do believe that it will sell less copies than it would had it not already been bootlegged.

Hey there TheEnglishGent

I am pretty sure about this. A lot of people say that but when the time comes, they want an original, better quality version. A lot of folks even say that becuase they disagree vehemently with this being released. I have had intimate moments since the 90's, and as much as I think its ridiculous that this is the first release from the estate, I am buying 2 retail copies of the deluxe version. CD & Vinyl, one to play with, one to keep sealed, maybe pass on to someone in the future.

We will see right? Ultimately it would be hard to audit, but the fact that it is a niche market for this release, it seems hopes for sales trumps desire for profits in this case, which really is odd and I cannot fathom the thought process behind it. If I were in charge I would be releasing material that caters to the widest audience, and as fast as I could, because the interest will wane down as the years go on.

Peace

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #126 posted 09/06/18 5:25am

master

Now with eye label out of the way are we going to be seing those free releases of unreleased material by the inner circle. They seemed to say if it wasn't for eye making a profit which offended them they would put more stuff out .It would have the special bonus of annoying the estate who have let us fans down with shocking releases so far .

[Edited 9/6/18 5:28am]

Reply #127 posted 09/06/18 6:22am

love2thenines2003

master said:

Now with eye label out of the way are we going to be seing those free releases of unreleased material by the inner circle. They seemed to say if it wasn't for eye making a profit which offended them they would put more stuff out .It would have the special bonus of annoying the estate who have let us fans down with shocking releases so far .

[Edited 9/6/18 5:28am]

Ah ah Ah ...in the best way....very short snippets or Full song in mono & bad mixdown versions .....just to let us know ...they are the Kings of the game & us the suckers !!

[Edited 9/6/18 6:22am]

Reply #128 posted 09/06/18 10:05am

andrewm7

I wish we could have the NPG music club back , a lot of us are just fans who love listening to Prince’s music and are happy to pay the estate for the privilege, just as they were happy to pay P when he was still with us.I hope nobody gets their life wrecked by this.
Reply #129 posted 09/06/18 10:29am

andrewm7

feeluupp said:

The digipack of the Silverline records boots of The Chocolate Invasion & The Slaughterhouse were going for over $200 on eBAY after his death.. Currently they are selling for over $80 each.


who else would love to see the + xpectation and c-note get a CD release from the Estate, I know I would biggrin
Reply #130 posted 09/06/18 11:52am

bonatoc

leadline said:

We will see right? Ultimately it would be hard to audit, but the fact that it is a niche market for this release, it seems hopes for sales trumps desire for profits in this case, which really is odd and I cannot fathom the thought process behind it. If I were in charge I would be releasing material that caters to the widest audience, and as fast as I could, because the interest will wane down as the years go on.

Peace


Really not sure about that. Critics are slowly but steadily realizing they missed a good decade of creativity in the nineties, and Prince is one of the very few acts of the eighties that you can still listen to without cringing. Whatever the sound, the songs structures, the interpretations are just too good, Prince is already set in stone, and that means he's going to be passed on to the next generation as someone of strong cultural relevance (a kick-ass musician and performer).

He's going to stand the test of time. The only thing is, we are not in the same situation as with Elvis Presley or Bob Marley: it's not going to translate in millions of sales.

The interest of the masses matters little, they're not the main target here. "Real music lovers" is a niche, but it's a solid one. Pity recorded music is nowadays considered as something cheap. The only solution for the industry to milk their back catalogs would be a globally closed and monitored internet, where no illegal copy would go unnoticed, but hopefully we'll never get there.

I think Prince is the poster child for the long tail, and one of the rare cases where it actually works: once you're hooked, you have a whole world to discover ("and to buy", shouted an Estate rep from the back of the room). But this world is made of unreleased works, that's the maverick/underground nature of Prince, it's his DNA. Now if the people in charge are too slow to act, they can't blame newcomers for sailing torrents like pirates.

I always come back to Dylan's Bootleg Series as the example to follow. But it's called "The Work" (or "iVault", or "Homemade Deluxe"), and we got it years ago. But let's not mix ourselves up with the young, fresh ears that just await to be stunned by Prince's undisputable creativity. The sad state of pop might just be an advantage here.



[Edited 9/6/18 11:55am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #131 posted 09/06/18 11:59am

sulls

andrewm7 said:

feeluupp said:

The digipack of the Silverline records boots of The Chocolate Invasion & The Slaughterhouse were going for over $200 on eBAY after his death.. Currently they are selling for over $80 each.

who else would love to see the + xpectation and c-note get a CD release from the Estate, I know I would biggrin

YES! YES!

"I like to watch."
Reply #132 posted 09/06/18 12:35pm

djThunderfunk

sulls said:

andrewm7 said:

feeluupp said: who else would love to see the + xpectation and c-note get a CD release from the Estate, I know I would biggrin

YES! YES!


CD versions (vinyl too!) for the digital only NPGMC albums is a no-brainer. They need to get on that.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #133 posted 09/06/18 12:38pm

NorthC

bonatoc said:

 



leadline said:




 


We will see right? Ultimately it would be hard to audit, but the fact that it is a niche market for this release, it seems hopes for sales trumps desire for profits in this case, which really is odd and I cannot fathom the thought process behind it. If I were in charge I would be releasing material that caters to the widest audience, and as fast as I could, because the interest will wane down as the years go on.

Peace


 


 




Really not sure about that. Critics are slowly but steadily realizing they missed a good decade of creativity in the nineties, and Prince is one of the very few acts of the eighties that you can still listen to without cringing. Whatever the sound, the songs structures, the interpretations are just too good, Prince is already set in stone, and that means he's going to be passed on to the next generation as someone of strong cultural relevance (a kick-ass musician and performer).

He's going to stand the test of time. The only thing is, we are not in the same situation as with Elvis Presley or Bob Marley: it's not going to translate in millions of sales. 

The interest of the masses matters little, they're not the main target here. "Real music lovers" is a niche, but it's a solid one. Pity recorded music is nowadays considered as something cheap. The only solution for the industry to milk their back catalogs would be a globally closed and monitored internet, where no illegal copy would go unnoticed, but hopefully we'll never get there.

I think Prince is the poster child for the long tail, and one of the rare cases where it actually works: once you're hooked, you have a whole world to discover ("and to buy", shouted an Estate rep from the back of the room). But this world is made of unreleased works, that's the maverick/underground nature of Prince, it's his DNA. Now if the people in charge are too slow to act, they can't blame newcomers for sailing torrents like pirates.

I always come back to Dylan's Bootleg Series as the example to follow. But it's called "The Work" (or "iVault", or "Homemade Deluxe"), and we got it years ago. But let's not mix ourselves up with the young, fresh ears that just await to be stunned by Prince's undisputable creativity. The sad state of pop might just be an advantage here.





 

[Edited 9/6/18 11:55am]


I once read: "Dylan is like a plate of spaghetti: it doesn't matter where you start, before you know, you'll be tangled up (in blue for Dylan fans). The same thing could be said for Prince, but then, yeah, we need to get his stuff out there!
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #134 posted 09/06/18 5:06pm

nelcp777

So does the estate know the owners of eye records? I am interested in seeing how this plays out.
Reply #135 posted 09/06/18 6:24pm

rdhull

nelcp777 said:

So does the estate know the owners of eye records? I am interested in seeing how this plays out.

yes

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #136 posted 09/07/18 1:25am

Kares

Transformed1 said:

So, just playing devil's advocate here...

Eye records sells music that they did not write, perform, or record. They make money off of music that they did not create.

The Estate sells music that they did not write, perform, or record. they make money off of music that they did not create.

Prince wrote, performed, and recorded this music. He is not around to sell it or make money off of it. And he didn't leave a will to tell everyone what HE wanted done.

.
Don't be ridiculous. The estate holds the rights to the recordings, while bootleggers don't.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #137 posted 09/07/18 1:47am

NorthC

nelcp777 said:

So does the estate know the owners of eye records? I am interested in seeing how this plays out.

Their names are in the article on page 1. Some of them sound familiar to me, so I could even say that I know them (not personally.) But Europeans facing a lawsuit in America... That could be tricky..
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #138 posted 09/07/18 5:53am

djThunderfunk

NorthC said:

nelcp777 said:
So does the estate know the owners of eye records? I am interested in seeing how this plays out.
Their names are in the article on page 1. Some of them sound familiar to me, so I could even say that I know them (not personally.) But Europeans facing a lawsuit in America... That could be tricky..


The names are in which article? The TMZ linked in the OP? Or another?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #139 posted 09/07/18 9:30am

Silvertongue7

One of the guys behind Eye Records has posted today a free download of 17 Days (the Piano and a voice version that became available yesterday), which I find... interesting, I guess
Reply #140 posted 09/07/18 9:33am

nelcp777

NorthC said:

nelcp777 said:
So does the estate know the owners of eye records? I am interested in seeing how this plays out.
Their names are in the article on page 1. Some of them sound familiar to me, so I could even say that I know them (not personally.) But Europeans facing a lawsuit in America... That could be tricky..

Thanks for the information. Your point of the 2 countries is a good one. Even if the lawsuit is won by the Estate, having the country enforcing to pay is another hurdle.

Reply #141 posted 09/07/18 9:37am

luvsexy4all

when the estate doesnt get anywhere legally...will this open the floodgates ???????

Reply #142 posted 09/07/18 10:33am

rdhull

Silvertongue7 said:

One of the guys behind Eye Records has posted today a free download of 17 Days (the Piano and a voice version that became available yesterday), which I find... interesting, I guess

So theyre doing the same shit then. Releasing already released material lol.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #143 posted 09/07/18 10:33am

rdhull

Kares said:

Transformed1 said:

So, just playing devil's advocate here...

Eye records sells music that they did not write, perform, or record. They make money off of music that they did not create.

The Estate sells music that they did not write, perform, or record. they make money off of music that they did not create.

Prince wrote, performed, and recorded this music. He is not around to sell it or make money off of it. And he didn't leave a will to tell everyone what HE wanted done.

.
Don't be ridiculous. The estate holds the rights to the recordings, while bootleggers don't.

Exactly. This should be the beginning and the end of the discussion.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
Reply #144 posted 09/07/18 10:55am

4anothertime

I'm ok with the estate putting their foot down of course. As for Eye Records...I am a fan of what they have put out as well. I like what they produce. I see many sides to this...it's hard to root for the bootleg proprietors but they are filling the demand of those of us who desire them. If there was no demand there would be no need for these releases. Instead we pick a side and wag our fingers at whomever we feel are in the wrong.

These things sort themselves out. peace

I guess heaven really is keeping score...the cosmos are right handed and I am sucker for that right hook.
Reply #145 posted 09/07/18 11:09am

NorthC

djThunderfunk said:

 



NorthC said:


nelcp777 said:
So does the estate know the owners of eye records? I am interested in seeing how this plays out.

Their names are in the article on page 1. Some of them sound familiar to me, so I could even say that I know them (not personally.) But Europeans facing a lawsuit in America... That could be tricky..


The names are in which article? The TMZ linked in the OP? Or another?


My mistake. Replay 89 on page 3 of this thread.
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #146 posted 09/07/18 11:26am

nelcp777

NorthC said:

djThunderfunk said:


The names are in which article? The TMZ linked in the OP? Or another?

My mistake. Replay 89 on page 3 of this thread.

So the lawsuit sounds like a major uphill battle. Can the Estate hold associated artists responsible and sue them if Eye Records got tracks from them?

In the end, Eye records has to prove that they legitimately got the tracks and had rights to sell/release them, which they did not, hence bootlegs. Maybe the estate is looking for the leaks and trying to scare other bootleggers?

Reply #147 posted 09/07/18 12:48pm

djThunderfunk

NorthC said:

djThunderfunk said:


The names are in which article? The TMZ linked in the OP? Or another?

My mistake. Replay 89 on page 3 of this thread.


Ahh, thank you!

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #148 posted 09/07/18 1:38pm

violetcrush

Transformed1 said:

So, just playing devil's advocate here...

Eye records sells music that they did not write, perform, or record. They make money off of music that they did not create.

The Estate sells music that they did not write, perform, or record. they make money off of music that they did not create.

Prince wrote, performed, and recorded this music. He is not around to sell it or make money off of it. And he didn't leave a will to tell everyone what HE wanted done.

Exactly. However, the legal default now goes to the Estate as the "seller" of his music.

*

Prince was a smart guy. No doubt he knew EXACTLY how things would go down upon his death. When I watch that interview he did on The View in 2012 - when he was asked what was going to happen with all of his unreleased music and will he release it - his response was, "well, somebody will release it...I don't know that I'll get to release it..."

*

I just find it very hard to believe that he unintentionally left this world without a Will, and/or any legal directive for his Vault.

Reply #149 posted 09/08/18 12:22am

Transformed1

Kares said:

Transformed1 said:

So, just playing devil's advocate here...

Eye records sells music that they did not write, perform, or record. They make money off of music that they did not create.

The Estate sells music that they did not write, perform, or record. they make money off of music that they did not create.

Prince wrote, performed, and recorded this music. He is not around to sell it or make money off of it. And he didn't leave a will to tell everyone what HE wanted done.

.
Don't be ridiculous. The estate holds the rights to the recordings, while bootleggers don't.

I didn't make a claim towards any side. I understand the legal position. All I'm pointing out is that some people could look at it from the perspective that no one involved really created nor "deserves" to profit from his music since they did not contribute. Some might say that the bootleggers are no different than the estate, just oportunists.

The reality is more complex than that, and I haven't spent money on bootlegs since 1995. I just want to hear the music before I die of old age, and whoever is putting it out there... great. I would prefer it be "official" and gladly spend money on it.

I acknowledge the estates has a legal right to protect their assets.

Reply #150 posted 09/09/18 12:44am

leadline

bonatoc said:

leadline said:

We will see right? Ultimately it would be hard to audit, but the fact that it is a niche market for this release, it seems hopes for sales trumps desire for profits in this case, which really is odd and I cannot fathom the thought process behind it. If I were in charge I would be releasing material that caters to the widest audience, and as fast as I could, because the interest will wane down as the years go on.

Peace


Really not sure about that. Critics are slowly but steadily realizing they missed a good decade of creativity in the nineties, and Prince is one of the very few acts of the eighties that you can still listen to without cringing. Whatever the sound, the songs structures, the interpretations are just too good, Prince is already set in stone, and that means he's going to be passed on to the next generation as someone of strong cultural relevance (a kick-ass musician and performer).

He's going to stand the test of time. The only thing is, we are not in the same situation as with Elvis Presley or Bob Marley: it's not going to translate in millions of sales.

The interest of the masses matters little, they're not the main target here. "Real music lovers" is a niche, but it's a solid one. Pity recorded music is nowadays considered as something cheap. The only solution for the industry to milk their back catalogs would be a globally closed and monitored internet, where no illegal copy would go unnoticed, but hopefully we'll never get there.

I think Prince is the poster child for the long tail, and one of the rare cases where it actually works: once you're hooked, you have a whole world to discover ("and to buy", shouted an Estate rep from the back of the room). But this world is made of unreleased works, that's the maverick/underground nature of Prince, it's his DNA. Now if the people in charge are too slow to act, they can't blame newcomers for sailing torrents like pirates.

I always come back to Dylan's Bootleg Series as the example to follow. But it's called "The Work" (or "iVault", or "Homemade Deluxe"), and we got it years ago. But let's not mix ourselves up with the young, fresh ears that just await to be stunned by Prince's undisputable creativity. The sad state of pop might just be an advantage here.



[Edited 9/6/18 11:55am]


Some good points, but the 'sad state of pop' is only going to get sadder imo. The love of the music, the craft, and the instrument has been replaced by corporate creations who have no choice but to do the bidding of their masters. Because of the corporate control system, the willingness of these so called artists to sell their soul for a dollar, and a public that feeds off of, emulates, propogates and sustains the garbage music of today, it will be a miracle if this sad state can ever be tuned around.

Of course some good music is still being made by people nobody ever really heard of, but those folks will never get the big break, nor should they really want to in todays environment.

Erin Bode is one of these aritists, her band and released music were fabulous. I would be shocked if anyone on the street you mention this name to has ever heard of her. Just one example of many that the masses will never hear, because they are too busy being controlled and manipulated by the current industry, too busy being distracted by their cell phones and garbage TV.

This is why I fear the demand for a true artist such as Prince will simply wane with time, we are getting niche releases now, but in 5-10 years, Prince will be a niche artist, and every release will be for this niche group. The hope of keeping any real music alive left when Prince did. He was a warrior in this respect, constantly showing all of us what real music is, what real musicianship is. Forever mentoring selected artists of today to carry this musical torch ahead, some will, but these few are drowning in the musical sea of garbage, their voices and messages are simply just not able to be heard in a way to effect change.

It may seem like a rather pessimistic view, I hope something changes to prove this wrong, and I hope there is some catalyst that none of us can even imagine at this point that changes things.

With that being said, I will remain hopeful for positive changes, I always hope for the best, but at the same time I cannot ignore the current landscape of music and the corporate landscape that is shaping and controlling todays music and participants in it.

[Edited 9/9/18 0:59am]

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #151 posted 09/09/18 2:03am

andrewm7

-Eye records sells pretty much only to hardcore fans who want pressed releases, this is a market that the estate are already capturing with releases like Piano and Microphone 1983.

-There is plenty of unreleased material that the estate has acess to that would appeal to a broader mass audience. Who here wouldnt buy the Detroit 1986 Birthday show film mastered for blue spec or 4K, especially if it was the full show? and how many 80`s artists could release three albums of prime vintage 80s studio material without even touching the surface?

-If the Estate is concerned with diluting the marketplace or wrecking Prince`s brand, they should focus on those lower quality boots that are available on streaming services like Itunes and Tidal internationally. Going after Eye or Sab is a waste of energy in this respect (though arguably less of a waste of energy than Prince expended going after ordinary Prince fans and the free labels back in 2014)

-One thing we can all agree on I`m sure is that Prince`s brand and reputation are not going to be enhanced by more ugly litigation.

-The one thing the article in the Star Tribune did in my opinion was let casual fans know that they can buy Prince`s last show on CD (and from Eye!). This is an own goal.

[Edited 9/9/18 2:21am]

[Edited 9/9/18 2:23am]

Reply #152 posted 09/09/18 2:50am

Kares

Transformed1 said:

Kares said:

.
Don't be ridiculous. The estate holds the rights to the recordings, while bootleggers don't.

I didn't make a claim towards any side. I understand the legal position. All I'm pointing out is that some people could look at it from the perspective that no one involved really created nor "deserves" to profit from his music since they did not contribute. Some might say that the bootleggers are no different than the estate, just oportunists.

.

Your statements are ridiculous. No, you can't seriously look at it from that perspective because that is not how it works. I personally own recordings I didn't contribute to musically, I've just put them out on my label. I worked a lot on them, bearing all the costs. If you're trying to tell me I don't deserve to profit from it I'll say you're delusional.
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Rights are being sold, transferred, inherited all the time. Whoever owns the rights to something will profit from them, period. Stop trying to justify the illegal activities of bootleggers.
If Prince had a child who would've inherited his publishing and his sound recordings, would you still say that "some might say his son/daugher doesn't deserve to profit from his music"?

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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #153 posted 09/09/18 5:19am

databank

leadline said:

bonatoc said:


Really not sure about that. Critics are slowly but steadily realizing they missed a good decade of creativity in the nineties, and Prince is one of the very few acts of the eighties that you can still listen to without cringing. Whatever the sound, the songs structures, the interpretations are just too good, Prince is already set in stone, and that means he's going to be passed on to the next generation as someone of strong cultural relevance (a kick-ass musician and performer).

He's going to stand the test of time. The only thing is, we are not in the same situation as with Elvis Presley or Bob Marley: it's not going to translate in millions of sales.

The interest of the masses matters little, they're not the main target here. "Real music lovers" is a niche, but it's a solid one. Pity recorded music is nowadays considered as something cheap. The only solution for the industry to milk their back catalogs would be a globally closed and monitored internet, where no illegal copy would go unnoticed, but hopefully we'll never get there.

I think Prince is the poster child for the long tail, and one of the rare cases where it actually works: once you're hooked, you have a whole world to discover ("and to buy", shouted an Estate rep from the back of the room). But this world is made of unreleased works, that's the maverick/underground nature of Prince, it's his DNA. Now if the people in charge are too slow to act, they can't blame newcomers for sailing torrents like pirates.

I always come back to Dylan's Bootleg Series as the example to follow. But it's called "The Work" (or "iVault", or "Homemade Deluxe"), and we got it years ago. But let's not mix ourselves up with the young, fresh ears that just await to be stunned by Prince's undisputable creativity. The sad state of pop might just be an advantage here.



[Edited 9/6/18 11:55am]


Some good points, but the 'sad state of pop' is only going to get sadder imo. The love of the music, the craft, and the instrument has been replaced by corporate creations who have no choice but to do the bidding of their masters. Because of the corporate control system, the willingness of these so called artists to sell their soul for a dollar, and a public that feeds off of, emulates, propogates and sustains the garbage music of today, it will be a miracle if this sad state can ever be tuned around.

Of course some good music is still being made by people nobody ever really heard of, but those folks will never get the big break, nor should they really want to in todays environment.

Erin Bode is one of these aritists, her band and released music were fabulous. I would be shocked if anyone on the street you mention this name to has ever heard of her. Just one example of many that the masses will never hear, because they are too busy being controlled and manipulated by the current industry, too busy being distracted by their cell phones and garbage TV.

This is why I fear the demand for a true artist such as Prince will simply wane with time, we are getting niche releases now, but in 5-10 years, Prince will be a niche artist, and every release will be for this niche group. The hope of keeping any real music alive left when Prince did. He was a warrior in this respect, constantly showing all of us what real music is, what real musicianship is. Forever mentoring selected artists of today to carry this musical torch ahead, some will, but these few are drowning in the musical sea of garbage, their voices and messages are simply just not able to be heard in a way to effect change.

It may seem like a rather pessimistic view, I hope something changes to prove this wrong, and I hope there is some catalyst that none of us can even imagine at this point that changes things.

With that being said, I will remain hopeful for positive changes, I always hope for the best, but at the same time I cannot ignore the current landscape of music and the corporate landscape that is shaping and controlling todays music and participants in it.

[Edited 9/9/18 0:59am]

While it's true that majors and big labels do not invest much on talents development by comparison to 40 years ago, it is also true that, thanks to the drop of recording process costs and the internet, more records are being released than ever before. IDK what the future holds but there was a critic who recently said that when he was young in the 80's or 90's, you'd meet another music afficionado and you'd ask each other do you know this or that (about up and coming artists) and they would usually know the artists mentioned by the other, while know when he meets someone they can drop names and names and names and no one will know the other's acts because there are too many acts and few get a real, strong exposure. In the end I find it hard to speak of a "sad state of pop music" because there are loads and loads of new artists I love, and I think for those who care to look for music it's really awesome everything that's out there. Business is bad, music ain't profitable no more, majors and and mainstream media suck. OK. But the music is there.

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Reply #154 posted 09/09/18 7:19am

djThunderfunk

andrewm7 said:

-The one thing the article in the Star Tribune did in my opinion was let casual fans know that they can buy Prince`s last show on CD (and from Eye!). This is an own goal.[/color]


This is a great point. In late '87/early '88, it was reports from Rolling Stone, MTV and my own local newspaper that hipped me to the fact that bootleg copies of the cancelled Black Album were available on the underground market. This led me to go on the hunt for it, sparking a hobby that resulted in me collecting over 100 physical boots over the next decade and literally thousands of digital boots in the 2 decades that followed that. A whole new aspect of Prince collecting that I was completely oblivious to was opened up to me thanks to journalism. Thanks reporters!! biggrin wink

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #155 posted 09/09/18 7:25am

206Michelle

OperatingThetan said:

The Estate need to seriously consider re-establishing the NPGMC for hardcore fans.

At the moment, they're only concentrating on releases intended for popular consumption. While they continue solely with that approach, there will always be demand for unofficial recordings, free or at cost, from some source.

I agree with this.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #156 posted 09/09/18 1:08pm

NorthC

djThunderfunk said:

 



andrewm7 said:


 


-The one thing the article in the Star Tribune did in my opinion was let casual fans know that they can buy Prince`s last show on CD (and from Eye!). This is an own goal.[/color]




This is a great point. In late '87/early '88, it was reports from Rolling Stone, MTV and my own local newspaper that hipped me to the fact that bootleg copies of the cancelled Black Album were available on the underground market. This led me to go on the hunt for it, sparking a hobby that resulted in me collecting over 100 physical boots over the next decade and literally thousands of digital boots in the 2 decades that followed that. A whole new aspect of Prince collecting that I was completely oblivious to was opened up to me thanks to journalism. Thanks reporters!! biggrin wink


Yeah, the Black Album was a hype back then. Everybody was talking about it. Can't say the same for the piano & mike concerts... I doubt there will be a lot of people looking out for those after an article...
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #157 posted 09/10/18 1:16pm

JamesDeslan

Piet Van Ryckeghem did a 4 page article when P died. Worked with per nilsen, went to 79 live shows 10 in Paisley Park. Gave prince parties, he even spoke with Prince once.

These EYE guys are hardcore fans wink

Reply #158 posted 09/10/18 1:27pm

NorthC

Yet they're not above making money off other hardcore Prince fans by selling overpriced CD sets...
I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it.
Reply #159 posted 09/11/18 12:25am

JamesDeslan

NorthC said:

Yet they're not above making money off other hardcore Prince fans by selling overpriced CD sets...

Yeah, sounds like one of those passion turns into a very bad ideas things. I want bootlegs, but how can I get them? Maybe the idea was to let other people pay for there tickets, airplane, hotel, recording material & buy other people bootlegs ...

so in the end a double edged sword, there might have been less bootlegs around without eye. And come on, you can get every EYE release in FLAC format for free ...

Reply #160 posted 09/11/18 2:57am

BartVanHemelen

djThunderfunk said:

andrewm7 said:

-The one thing the article in the Star Tribune did in my opinion was let casual fans know that they can buy Prince`s last show on CD (and from Eye!). This is an own goal.[/color]


This is a great point. In late '87/early '88, it was reports from Rolling Stone, MTV and my own local newspaper that hipped me to the fact that bootleg copies of the cancelled Black Album were available on the underground market. This led me to go on the hunt for it, sparking a hobby that resulted in me collecting over 100 physical boots over the next decade and literally thousands of digital boots in the 2 decades that followed that. A whole new aspect of Prince collecting that I was completely oblivious to was opened up to me thanks to journalism. Thanks reporters!! biggrin wink

.

TBA got reviewed in Smash Hits, IIRC. A pop magazine aimed at teens reviewed a frikking bootleg.

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It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #161 posted 09/11/18 4:18am

udo

djThunderfunk said:

This is what happens when you openly sell bootlegs. I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

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You were under a rock?

Never heard of websheriff or somesuch employed by Prince/PP/NPG/etc?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #162 posted 09/11/18 4:18am

udo

JamesDeslan said:

Piet Van Ryckeghem did a 4 page article when P died. Worked with per nilsen, went to 79 live shows 10 in Paisley Park. Gave prince parties, he even spoke with Prince once.

These EYE guys are hardcore fans wink

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Just 79? lol

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #163 posted 09/11/18 5:59am

djThunderfunk

BartVanHemelen said:

djThunderfunk said:


This is a great point. In late '87/early '88, it was reports from Rolling Stone, MTV and my own local newspaper that hipped me to the fact that bootleg copies of the cancelled Black Album were available on the underground market. This led me to go on the hunt for it, sparking a hobby that resulted in me collecting over 100 physical boots over the next decade and literally thousands of digital boots in the 2 decades that followed that. A whole new aspect of Prince collecting that I was completely oblivious to was opened up to me thanks to journalism. Thanks reporters!! biggrin wink

.

TBA got reviewed in Smash Hits, IIRC. A pop magazine aimed at teens reviewed a frikking bootleg.


Rolling Stone reviewed it too.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #164 posted 09/11/18 6:00am

djThunderfunk

udo said:

djThunderfunk said:

This is what happens when you openly sell bootlegs. I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

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You were under a rock?

Never heard of websheriff or somesuch employed by Prince/PP/NPG/etc?


Is that comment aimed at me, or EYE?

I wasn't "under a rock", I heard of "websheriff", which is why "I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner".

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #165 posted 09/11/18 7:12am

love2thenines2003

"Prince's estate just filed docs against Eye Records "...has some1 the direct source of the complaint request with details filed by The Estate in court ?

thanx

Reply #166 posted 09/11/18 8:28am

udo

love2thenines2003 said:

"Prince's estate just filed docs against Eye Records "...has some1 the direct source of the complaint request with details filed by The Estate in court ?

thanx

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yeahthat

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #167 posted 09/11/18 9:36am

ElGorillos

udo said:

love2thenines2003 said:

"Prince's estate just filed docs against Eye Records "...has some1 the direct source of the complaint request with details filed by The Estate in court ?

thanx

.

yeahthat


I guess this is as close to the court documents we are getting without paying for access:

https://www.pacermonitor....iani_et_al


I also found this while searching Google today. "House Quake"? confuse

"According to the claim, France-based Eric Ziani and Frederic Bianco, Marcel Peters, from the Netherlands, Belgium-based Piet Van Ryckeghem, and companies Lovesigne, House Quake and Eye Records have been offering “bootleg Prince music”.".

https://www.google.com/ur...R1Uv4TwZAL


EG

Reply #168 posted 09/12/18 10:06pm

Lovejunky

luv4u said:

violetcrush said:

Well....Prince did also attempt to sue 22 fans $1 million each for linking to bootlegs back in 2014. So, I guess they're continuing in that same vein??


From the bowels of the org:

Prince launches huge lawsuit against bootleg sites
http://prince.org/msg/7/404520



Prince Drops $22 million lawsuit against Alleged Bootleggers

http://prince.org/msg/7/404744

Love it when you dig up this shit lol

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #169 posted 09/13/18 2:19am

databank

udo said:

JamesDeslan said:

Piet Van Ryckeghem did a 4 page article when P died. Worked with per nilsen, went to 79 live shows 10 in Paisley Park. Gave prince parties, he even spoke with Prince once.

These EYE guys are hardcore fans wink

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Just 79? lol

Well at least we're being specific here. Maybe James can also tell us about Piet Van Ryckeghem's blood type, his social security number and, most importantly, the names of the last 10 women he slept with?

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Reply #170 posted 09/13/18 6:24am

udo

databank said:

udo said:

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Just 79? lol

Well at least we're being specific here. Maybe James can also tell us about Piet Van Ryckeghem's blood type, his social security number and, most importantly, the names of the last 10 women he slept with?

.

Well, these people now got a signal.

They can choose:

Make a quick buck before things grow more `complex`.

Or erase/hide/etc any tracks as far as possible and lay low.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #171 posted 09/13/18 1:16pm

SquirrelMeat

udo said:

JamesDeslan said:

Piet Van Ryckeghem did a 4 page article when P died. Worked with per nilsen, went to 79 live shows 10 in Paisley Park. Gave prince parties, he even spoke with Prince once.

These EYE guys are hardcore fans wink

.

Just 79? lol


That was my first thought. Amateur!

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Reply #172 posted 09/13/18 4:36pm

luvsexy4all

why does this always happen when theres new releases? bootlegs r around when Prince /the estate DOESNT release anything

Reply #173 posted 09/13/18 8:17pm

udo

luvsexy4all said:

why does this always happen when theres new releases? bootlegs r around when Prince /the estate DOESNT release anything

.

I guess the record companies complained about competition.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #174 posted 09/14/18 4:11am

andrewm7

SquirrelMeat said:

 



udo said:


 



JamesDeslan said:


Piet Van Ryckeghem did a 4 page article when P died. Worked with per nilsen, went to 79 live shows 10 in Paisley Park. Gave prince parties, he even spoke with Prince once.


 


These EYE guys are hardcore fans wink



.


Just 79? lol




That was my first thought. Amateur!


you guys in Europe and America were heaps lucky with opportunities, I really wish I could have seen him play like that
lol lol
Reply #175 posted 09/14/18 6:57am

djThunderfunk

andrewm7 said:

SquirrelMeat said:


That was my first thought. Amateur!

you guys in Europe and America were heaps lucky with opportunities, I really wish I could have seen him play like that lol lol


It's not all about location. Unless somebody lived near MPLS and saw him there many times, the only way to see him 79 times was to spend tons of $ on travel. It wasn't about location but finances. No?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #176 posted 09/14/18 6:17pm

SquirrelMeat

djThunderfunk said:

andrewm7 said:

SquirrelMeat said: you guys in Europe and America were heaps lucky with opportunities, I really wish I could have seen him play like that lol lol


It's not all about location. Unless somebody lived near MPLS and saw him there many times, the only way to see him 79 times was to spend tons of $ on travel. It wasn't about location but finances. No?


Well, geography does help, but money rules. I think I passed 79 by the end of the Diamonds & Pearls tour.

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Reply #177 posted 09/15/18 5:02am

Chastity

djThunderfunk said:

andrewm7 said:

SquirrelMeat said: you guys in Europe and America were heaps lucky with opportunities, I really wish I could have seen him play like that lol lol


It's not all about location. Unless somebody lived near MPLS and saw him there many times, the only way to see him 79 times was to spend tons of $ on travel. It wasn't about location but finances. No?

Ok if you read the post it says he saw him at PP 10 times. Not 79. The 79 would be all shows he saw. Sheeesh that's not a lot. I saw him perform 83 times and I still feel like a newbie compared to some of my Prince fan friend

Reply #178 posted 09/15/18 8:05am

djThunderfunk

Well because of finances and location, I saw him 9 times between becoming a fan in 82 and his passing. I didn't say "ONLY" 9 times because for most people, even most fans, 9 times is a lot. And I had to travel for 8 of those, he only played in the town I lived in ONCE, ever.

79 times, 83 times... these are numbers that those that live in the MPLS area and those that have lots and lots of money could hit. Most of us don't live near Minnie and aren't rich. Just sayin'...


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #179 posted 09/15/18 8:55am

udo

He never played in my town.

I travelled across Europe to see shows.

And I only started acting like that after the 3rd quarter of 1988.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
Reply #180 posted 09/15/18 7:22pm

SquirrelMeat

djThunderfunk said:

Well because of finances and location, I saw him 9 times between becoming a fan in 82 and his passing. I didn't say "ONLY" 9 times because for most people, even most fans, 9 times is a lot. And I had to travel for 8 of those, he only played in the town I lived in ONCE, ever.

79 times, 83 times... these are numbers that those that live in the MPLS area and those that have lots and lots of money could hit. Most of us don't live near Minnie and aren't rich. Just sayin'...


A lot of it comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in.

I did my first 150+ gigs when I earned much less than I did in later years. Prince never played my hometown (Cambridge), but London isn't too far, so that helped. But the majority of 86-93 gigs came from following the tours around Europe and the States with a back pack, often sleeping in parks and bus stations. It was hell at the time, but I now have strange fond memories of living in a tiny hot space under Utrect trains station platform for 10 nights as a base camp for the Dutch and Belgium shows.

Another one that sticks out is 1991, when I lied on a bank loan application to borrow the funds to go to South America for the Rock In Rio Show. To paraphrase White Men Can't Jump, that's the difference between wanting to see Prince and acutally hearing Prince.

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[Edited 9/15/18 19:26pm]

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Reply #181 posted 09/15/18 8:17pm

databank

SquirrelMeat said:

djThunderfunk said:

Well because of finances and location, I saw him 9 times between becoming a fan in 82 and his passing. I didn't say "ONLY" 9 times because for most people, even most fans, 9 times is a lot. And I had to travel for 8 of those, he only played in the town I lived in ONCE, ever.

79 times, 83 times... these are numbers that those that live in the MPLS area and those that have lots and lots of money could hit. Most of us don't live near Minnie and aren't rich. Just sayin'...


A lot of it comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in.

I did my first 150+ gigs when I earned much less than I did in later years. Prince never played my hometown (Cambridge), but London isn't too far, so that helped. But the majority of 86-93 gigs came from following the tours around Europe and the States with a back pack, often sleeping in parks and bus stations. It was hell at the time, but I now have strange fond memories of living in a tiny hot space under Utrect trains station platform for 10 nights as a base camp for the Dutch and Belgium shows.

Another one that sticks out is 1991, when I lied on a bank loan application to borrow the funds to go to South America for the Rock In Rio Show. To paraphrase White Men Can't Jump, that's the difference between wanting to see Prince and acutally hearing Prince.

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[Edited 9/15/18 19:26pm]

I only saw him live 5 times and had I put a little more effort and money into it I could easily have seen him live 10 or 15 times (not that many more: at some point money would have been a real obstacle, not to mention time, and I would not have gone to any of the lengths you went to such as sleeping in bus stations for weeks or BSing the bank for a loan).

I really regret that I didn't see him a few more times, because there were a few times where I really chose not to go to save time or money, but to be honest I never was such a concertgoer, I'm more of a listening-to-records guy.

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Reply #182 posted 09/16/18 7:40am

leecaldon

databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:

A lot of it comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in.

I did my first 150+ gigs when I earned much less than I did in later years. Prince never played my hometown (Cambridge), but London isn't too far, so that helped. But the majority of 86-93 gigs came from following the tours around Europe and the States with a back pack, often sleeping in parks and bus stations. It was hell at the time, but I now have strange fond memories of living in a tiny hot space under Utrect trains station platform for 10 nights as a base camp for the Dutch and Belgium shows.

Another one that sticks out is 1991, when I lied on a bank loan application to borrow the funds to go to South America for the Rock In Rio Show. To paraphrase White Men Can't Jump, that's the difference between wanting to see Prince and acutally hearing Prince.

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[Edited 9/15/18 19:26pm]

I only saw him live 5 times and had I put a little more effort and money into it I could easily have seen him live 10 or 15 times (not that many more: at some point money would have been a real obstacle, not to mention time, and I would not have gone to any of the lengths you went to such as sleeping in bus stations for weeks or BSing the bank for a loan).

I really regret that I didn't see him a few more times, because there were a few times where I really chose not to go to save time or money, but to be honest I never was such a concertgoer, I'm more of a listening-to-records guy.

Credit cards were very helpful to me in my 20s when I travelled from London to Paisley Park, New York etc. And also the amazing kindness of a stranger (now good friend) who put me up in her Chanhassen hotel room (my first post on here was in 2001, and asking if anyone had a spare bed, and she was the one response).

My experience is, however many gigs you go to, it's not enough (probably around 55 for me, including aftershows). Probably still paying for some of those trips more than a decade later biggrin

Reply #183 posted 09/17/18 6:13pm

SquirrelMeat

databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:

A lot of it comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in.

I did my first 150+ gigs when I earned much less than I did in later years. Prince never played my hometown (Cambridge), but London isn't too far, so that helped. But the majority of 86-93 gigs came from following the tours around Europe and the States with a back pack, often sleeping in parks and bus stations. It was hell at the time, but I now have strange fond memories of living in a tiny hot space under Utrect trains station platform for 10 nights as a base camp for the Dutch and Belgium shows.

Another one that sticks out is 1991, when I lied on a bank loan application to borrow the funds to go to South America for the Rock In Rio Show. To paraphrase White Men Can't Jump, that's the difference between wanting to see Prince and acutally hearing Prince.

.

[Edited 9/15/18 19:26pm]

I only saw him live 5 times and had I put a little more effort and money into it I could easily have seen him live 10 or 15 times (not that many more: at some point money would have been a real obstacle, not to mention time, and I would not have gone to any of the lengths you went to such as sleeping in bus stations for weeks or BSing the bank for a loan).

I really regret that I didn't see him a few more times, because there were a few times where I really chose not to go to save time or money, but to be honest I never was such a concertgoer, I'm more of a listening-to-records guy.


Its important to point out, that number of gigs, or collection of records, doesn't make one fan more of a 'true fan' than another.

I often see fans who claim that they are 'true fans' because of this or that.

There is no such thing as a 'true fan'. Its what it means to us, individually. Some of us were around at the right time or the right place.

That said, If you were around at the right time, but didn't sell your soul to go. Then you are a different level of fan to those that did.

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Reply #184 posted 09/17/18 6:59pm

databank

SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

I only saw him live 5 times and had I put a little more effort and money into it I could easily have seen him live 10 or 15 times (not that many more: at some point money would have been a real obstacle, not to mention time, and I would not have gone to any of the lengths you went to such as sleeping in bus stations for weeks or BSing the bank for a loan).

I really regret that I didn't see him a few more times, because there were a few times where I really chose not to go to save time or money, but to be honest I never was such a concertgoer, I'm more of a listening-to-records guy.


Its important to point out, that number of gigs, or collection of records, doesn't make one fan more of a 'true fan' than another.

I often see fans who claim that they are 'true fans' because of this or that.

There is no such thing as a 'true fan'. Its what it means to us, individually. Some of us were around at the right time or the right place.

That said, If you were around at the right time, but didn't sell your soul to go. Then you are a different level of fan to those that did.

I think we had an argument over you saying Exodus was "shit" some time ago, and I told you no true fan could say such a thing lol Indeed "true fan" doesn't mean much, I guess it's a matter of levels of appreciation.

.

To me, live gigs in general (outside of Prince) were never such a big thing. I would often go to Paris only for a show back when I was 18-20, then progressively I lost interest in attending live shows and would only do it when it was the most convenient. Give me an affordable live show by an artist I really love less than half an hour from home, I'll go. But that's it, no matter who the artist is. I have very fond memories of some shows that left a very strong impression on me back in the days, but I enjoy music more at home I guess, same way I'd rather watch a movie home than go to a theatre. The last Prince show I attended involved a whole day of travelling, the level was so loud that I had to wear earplugs in fear of getting more tinnitus than I already have, and the setlist was a greatest hits one: I didn't really enjoy it. But I must say I am quite impressed and I respect the lengths to which some of y'all would go to enjoy all those Prince shows, it's like wow, super cool! But to me the level of discomfort and the expenses would have spoilt the fun. I'd rather blast my loudspeakers at home.

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On the other hand it's almost impossible for me to consider any album recorded by Prince as being "shit" because "shit" to me = 100% bad, as in the stuff you hear when you turn on the radio or MTV nowadays, and there's always something interesting to me in anything Prince would do, if only because my listening pleasure, again in general not just Prince, has a lot to do with trying to understand the artist's intention and let the music grow on me if needed, much more than whether I "like" it or not and getting an instant reward from listening to music. I don't "cringe" when I listen to music, and I don't harrass my friends asking them to change the music if I don't like what they're playing when I visit them. And I have 6000+ records that I enjoy, which is about 100 times more than the average person would tolerate, and I usually listen to one or 2 new albums every day. I'm just interested in hearing lots of different music and I will usually find something interesting in most of what I hear.

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To me it's very puzzling how one could make so many sacrifice in order to attend so many Prince shows but on the other hand not find something they're interested in in everything he recorded. Very puzzling. But I know people who don't understand the point in having 6000 records because they would rather listen to the same 100 records they love over and over again. I guess we just don't enjoy music the same way.

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So in the end it probably has more to do with how we all relate to and enjoy arts/music in general than with how we relate to/enjoy Prince's music in particular. I must admit I hadn't realized that when we had the Exodus argument.

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Reply #185 posted 09/18/18 2:37am

djdaffy1227

I only saw Prince live once. I guess I should kindly remove myself from the org lol

Making love and music are the only things worth fighting for.
Reply #186 posted 09/18/18 3:31am

databank

djdaffy1227 said:

I only saw Prince live once. I guess I should kindly remove myself from the org lol

If once = remove oneself from the Org, does no time at all means remove oneself from existence? lol

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Reply #187 posted 09/18/18 4:05pm

SquirrelMeat

databank said:

 



SquirrelMeat said:


 



databank said:


 


I only saw him live 5 times and had I put a little more effort and money into it I could easily have seen him live 10 or 15 times (not that many more: at some point money would have been a real obstacle, not to mention time, and I would not have gone to any of the lengths you went to such as sleeping in bus stations for weeks or BSing the bank for a loan).


I really regret that I didn't see him a few more times, because there were a few times where I really chose not to go to save time or money, but to be honest I never was such a concertgoer, I'm more of a listening-to-records guy.




Its important to point out, that number of gigs, or collection of records, doesn't make one fan more of a 'true fan' than another.

I often see fans who claim that they are 'true fans' because of this or that.

There is no such thing as a 'true fan'.  Its what it means to us, individually. Some of us were around at the right time or the right place.

That said, If you were around at the right time, but didn't sell your soul to go. Then you are a different level of fan to those that did.



I think we had an argument over you saying Exodus was "shit" some time ago, and I told you no true fan could say such a thing  lol Indeed "true fan" doesn't mean much, I guess it's a matter of levels of appreciation.


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To me, live gigs in general (outside of Prince) were never such a big thing. I would often go to Paris only for a show back when I was 18-20, then progressively I lost interest in attending live shows and would only do it when it was the most convenient. Give me an affordable live show by an artist I really love less than half an hour from home, I'll go. But that's it, no matter who the artist is. I have very fond memories of some shows that left a very strong impression on me back in the days, but I enjoy music more at home I guess, same way I'd rather watch a movie home than go to a theatre. The last Prince show I attended involved a whole day of travelling, the level was so loud that I had to wear earplugs in fear of getting more tinnitus than I already have, and the setlist was a greatest hits one: I didn't really enjoy it. But I must say I am quite impressed and I respect the lengths to which some of y'all would go to enjoy all those Prince shows, it's like wow, super cool! But to me the level of discomfort and the expenses would have spoilt the fun. I'd rather blast my loudspeakers at home.


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On the other hand it's almost impossible for me to consider any album recorded by Prince as being "shit" because "shit" to me = 100% bad, as in the stuff you hear when you turn on the radio or MTV nowadays, and there's always something interesting to me in anything Prince would do, if only because my listening pleasure, again in general not just Prince, has a lot to do with trying to understand the artist's intention and let the music grow on me if needed, much more than whether I "like" it or not and getting an instant reward from listening to music. I don't "cringe" when I listen to music, and I don't harrass my friends asking them to change the music if I don't like what they're playing when I visit them. And I have 6000+ records that I enjoy, which is about 100 times more than the average person would tolerate, and I usually listen to one or 2 new albums every day. I'm just interested in hearing lots of different music and I will usually find something interesting in most of what I hear.


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To me it's very puzzling how one could make so many sacrifice in order to attend so many Prince shows but on the other hand not find something they're interested in in everything he recorded. Very puzzling. But I know people who don't understand the point in having 6000 records because they would rather listen to the same 100 records they love over and over again. I guess we just don't enjoy music the same way.


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So in the end it probably has more to do with how we all relate to and enjoy arts/music in general than with how we relate to/enjoy Prince's music in particular. I must admit I hadn't realized that when we had the Exodus argument.



Moi? I love Exodus! In fact I'd go as far as to say I'm one of the few hardcore who never went off Prince's output. I was definitely a vocal minority supporting most albums over the years. That passion continud with the gigs. I was there, every time, even when the audience thinned.

In regards to priorities, I still put his studio output above anything else. From the vault, I want studio material, not live sets.
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Reply #188 posted 09/18/18 4:48pm

violetcrush

SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

I think we had an argument over you saying Exodus was "shit" some time ago, and I told you no true fan could say such a thing lol Indeed "true fan" doesn't mean much, I guess it's a matter of levels of appreciation.

.

To me, live gigs in general (outside of Prince) were never such a big thing. I would often go to Paris only for a show back when I was 18-20, then progressively I lost interest in attending live shows and would only do it when it was the most convenient. Give me an affordable live show by an artist I really love less than half an hour from home, I'll go. But that's it, no matter who the artist is. I have very fond memories of some shows that left a very strong impression on me back in the days, but I enjoy music more at home I guess, same way I'd rather watch a movie home than go to a theatre. The last Prince show I attended involved a whole day of travelling, the level was so loud that I had to wear earplugs in fear of getting more tinnitus than I already have, and the setlist was a greatest hits one: I didn't really enjoy it. But I must say I am quite impressed and I respect the lengths to which some of y'all would go to enjoy all those Prince shows, it's like wow, super cool! But to me the level of discomfort and the expenses would have spoilt the fun. I'd rather blast my loudspeakers at home.

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On the other hand it's almost impossible for me to consider any album recorded by Prince as being "shit" because "shit" to me = 100% bad, as in the stuff you hear when you turn on the radio or MTV nowadays, and there's always something interesting to me in anything Prince would do, if only because my listening pleasure, again in general not just Prince, has a lot to do with trying to understand the artist's intention and let the music grow on me if needed, much more than whether I "like" it or not and getting an instant reward from listening to music. I don't "cringe" when I listen to music, and I don't harrass my friends asking them to change the music if I don't like what they're playing when I visit them. And I have 6000+ records that I enjoy, which is about 100 times more than the average person would tolerate, and I usually listen to one or 2 new albums every day. I'm just interested in hearing lots of different music and I will usually find something interesting in most of what I hear.

.

To me it's very puzzling how one could make so many sacrifice in order to attend so many Prince shows but on the other hand not find something they're interested in in everything he recorded. Very puzzling. But I know people who don't understand the point in having 6000 records because they would rather listen to the same 100 records they love over and over again. I guess we just don't enjoy music the same way.

.

So in the end it probably has more to do with how we all relate to and enjoy arts/music in general than with how we relate to/enjoy Prince's music in particular. I must admit I hadn't realized that when we had the Exodus argument.

Moi? I love Exodus! In fact I'd go as far as to say I'm one of the few hardcore who never went off Prince's output. I was definitely a vocal minority supporting most albums over the years. That passion continud with the gigs. I was there, every time, even when the audience thinned. In regards to priorities, I still put his studio output above anything else. From the vault, I want studio material, not live sets.

Good for you! I drifted away by the early 90's, and now regret that, because I am loving SOOOO much of the 90's music - not all, but a lot of it. There are at least a few good tracks on every album.

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On Exodus, I like Count The Days - it has a nice melodic feel but then he also creates this anger vibe with the "but not until I make this motherfucker pay" lyric. It's clearly speaking of his fight with WB, which now has much more meaning for those of us who were scratching our heads at him back then. Also, I enjoy The Good Life because its' got a good groove, and he's referencing his childhood days and using movies to escape rather than drugs.

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Chaos And Disorder - people seem to rag on this one too, but I love Zannalee, Dinner With Delores, and Had U.

Reply #189 posted 09/18/18 8:11pm

databank

SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

I think we had an argument over you saying Exodus was "shit" some time ago, and I told you no true fan could say such a thing lol Indeed "true fan" doesn't mean much, I guess it's a matter of levels of appreciation.

.

To me, live gigs in general (outside of Prince) were never such a big thing. I would often go to Paris only for a show back when I was 18-20, then progressively I lost interest in attending live shows and would only do it when it was the most convenient. Give me an affordable live show by an artist I really love less than half an hour from home, I'll go. But that's it, no matter who the artist is. I have very fond memories of some shows that left a very strong impression on me back in the days, but I enjoy music more at home I guess, same way I'd rather watch a movie home than go to a theatre. The last Prince show I attended involved a whole day of travelling, the level was so loud that I had to wear earplugs in fear of getting more tinnitus than I already have, and the setlist was a greatest hits one: I didn't really enjoy it. But I must say I am quite impressed and I respect the lengths to which some of y'all would go to enjoy all those Prince shows, it's like wow, super cool! But to me the level of discomfort and the expenses would have spoilt the fun. I'd rather blast my loudspeakers at home.

.

On the other hand it's almost impossible for me to consider any album recorded by Prince as being "shit" because "shit" to me = 100% bad, as in the stuff you hear when you turn on the radio or MTV nowadays, and there's always something interesting to me in anything Prince would do, if only because my listening pleasure, again in general not just Prince, has a lot to do with trying to understand the artist's intention and let the music grow on me if needed, much more than whether I "like" it or not and getting an instant reward from listening to music. I don't "cringe" when I listen to music, and I don't harrass my friends asking them to change the music if I don't like what they're playing when I visit them. And I have 6000+ records that I enjoy, which is about 100 times more than the average person would tolerate, and I usually listen to one or 2 new albums every day. I'm just interested in hearing lots of different music and I will usually find something interesting in most of what I hear.

.

To me it's very puzzling how one could make so many sacrifice in order to attend so many Prince shows but on the other hand not find something they're interested in in everything he recorded. Very puzzling. But I know people who don't understand the point in having 6000 records because they would rather listen to the same 100 records they love over and over again. I guess we just don't enjoy music the same way.

.

So in the end it probably has more to do with how we all relate to and enjoy arts/music in general than with how we relate to/enjoy Prince's music in particular. I must admit I hadn't realized that when we had the Exodus argument.

Moi? I love Exodus! In fact I'd go as far as to say I'm one of the few hardcore who never went off Prince's output. I was definitely a vocal minority supporting most albums over the years. That passion continud with the gigs. I was there, every time, even when the audience thinned. In regards to priorities, I still put his studio output above anything else. From the vault, I want studio material, not live sets.

Apologies. I thought it was you eek Maybe TheDigitalGardener? I remember it was an old-timer and I was surprised to read such a bold statement. We're on the same tune, then, I also never went off the purple boat nod hug For me it's been a non-stop 27 years long ride from 89 to 2016, and I enjoyed every part of the journey biggrin

[Edited 9/18/18 20:13pm]

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Reply #190 posted 09/24/18 10:47am

Arjuna

I haven't replied in years.

To the point: I believe the ONLY moment I knew the "truth" parade was over is when Mr. Nelson left the planet. Nobody, nor one soul had the right to change his music up and plant a seed he didn't sow by his own hand.

He NEVER abided by a system of "thieves in a temple tonight"or any other moment. Now,I am not trying to stop what his immediate family does because in God Jehovah's eyes and trust me on this ( he is watching). So, for this temporary so called thing in his words "called life"... they whom they is...better KNOW that God Jehovah's talent of music inscribed by Prince should not be sold in unrightful ways.


I can tell you now that I never and will never purchase anything that he ( Mr Nelson) did not offer before he transcended.

Its pretty easy for me to keep the "devil" out. Simply put: I slammed the door in respect to Prince.

Take care...
B Wise as serpent and innocent, as a dove.
[Edited 9/24/18 14:15pm]
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Reply #191 posted 09/25/18 2:11am

databank

Arjuna said:

I haven't replied in years. To the point: I believe the ONLY moment I knew the "truth" parade was over is when Mr. Nelson left the planet. Nobody, nor one soul had the right to change his music up and plant a seed he didn't sow by his own hand. He NEVER abided by a system of "thieves in a temple tonight"or any other moment. Now,I am not trying to stop what his immediate family does because in God Jehovah's eyes and trust me on this ( he is watching). So, for this temporary so called thing in his words "called life"... they whom they is...better KNOW that God Jehovah's talent of music inscribed by Prince should not be sold in unrightful ways. I can tell you now that I never and will never purchase anything that he ( Mr Nelson) did not offer before he transcended. Its pretty easy for me to keep the "devil" out. Simply put: I slammed the door in respect to Prince. Take care... B Wise as serpent and innocent, as a dove. [Edited 9/24/18 14:15pm]

You're not a native English speaker, are you?

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Reply #192 posted 09/25/18 4:03am

TheEnglishGent

Arjuna said:

I haven't replied in years. To the point: I believe the ONLY moment I knew the "truth" parade was over is when Mr. Nelson left the planet. Nobody, nor one soul had the right to change his music up and plant a seed he didn't sow by his own hand. He NEVER abided by a system of "thieves in a temple tonight"or any other moment. Now,I am not trying to stop what his immediate family does because in God Jehovah's eyes and trust me on this ( he is watching). So, for this temporary so called thing in his words "called life"... they whom they is...better KNOW that God Jehovah's talent of music inscribed by Prince should not be sold in unrightful ways. I can tell you now that I never and will never purchase anything that he ( Mr Nelson) did not offer before he transcended. Its pretty easy for me to keep the "devil" out. Simply put: I slammed the door in respect to Prince. Take care... B Wise as serpent and innocent, as a dove. [Edited 9/24/18 14:15pm]


Are you suggesting that you'll buy no future releases, even official ones? Prince said that the vault would be released by others when he's gone. So by leaving stuff in the vault and not erasing it, he's pretty much said that it's ok to release it.

RIP sad
Reply #193 posted 09/25/18 8:47pm

Kobe

Money don't matter 2 Night
It sure didn't matter yesterday
Just when you think you've got more than enough
That's when it all up and flies away
That's when you find out that you're better off
Makin' sure your soul's alright
'Cause money didn't matter yesterday
And it sure don't matter to night

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #194 posted 09/26/18 2:52am

ForceofNature

NorthC said:

Yet they're not above making money off other hardcore Prince fans by selling overpriced CD sets...

They are Prince's estate though, if Prince didn't want them to, he should have written a will. They have a more legitimate claim than a bootleg label because they are the ones in control of the vault. The PR CD set was actually a fairly tame price TBH

[Edited 9/26/18 2:53am]

Reply #195 posted 09/26/18 6:10am

udo

ForceofNature said:

because they are the ones in control of the vault

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Can we read some documents that explains who was involved in decisions w.r.t. the location of the tapes stored at the park, the release of certain things, etc?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill

URL: http://prince.org/msg/7/456293/EYE-RECORDS-SUED-OVER-BOOTLEGS

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