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Reply #30 posted 08/31/18 9:53pm

Vannormal

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I think something else is going on here.
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Money.
They smell it through some attorneys help. A sort of win-win possibly.
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I also think the money tap, after 2,5 years is drying up.
Cleaning and organising P's vault must cost a lot + Paisley Park, etc
And the income of P's royalties is decreasing.
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And no real plan from one person in charge costs only more money.
Good legal advice is something the family isn't familiar with, nor Tyka, Sharon or the rest of the (big) spenders.
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Sueing bootleggers is just plain stupid.
If Prince was still alive, he would've done it himself much more, and if he realy wanted to spend more time on that with good legal support.
But he was never actually really short of money.
...and that multiplied with a messy organising and not trusting anyone.
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There will always be illegal material circulating.
Prince was eager when he recorded something and was pretty messy with his stuff in his own camp, don't forget that.
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And by the way, these (honestly stupid) EYE bootleggers will never be able to pay what? 2miljon per release ? After Prince's death?
I think they did not earn that much for even all the 18 illegal releases altogether ; mind the heavy (illegal) downloading and sharing boot copies amongst us through the Internet.
I for one never paid for boots after 2004.
All is to be found on the net, all the time. Even Prince must've realise that at some point, that's why he somehow gave in. IMHO.
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I think all this is to scare people.
There are even more books being released on Prince than bootlegs etc.
Merchandising shit, etc...
What about that ?
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Poor Estate - what a bunch of ... they are (feel free to fill it in yourself).
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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #31 posted 09/01/18 1:17am

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The funny thing is this... Eye only sell to hardcore fans, and those same fans would on the whole, happily re-buy those bootlegs in high quality, so it makes no real economic sense to pursue eye records. I st start releasing decent vault collections and forget about the bootleggers
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Reply #32 posted 09/01/18 3:27am

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Certain people must not be sleeping at night anymore confused

While I'm not fond of Eye Records - not because they release bootlegs but because of how they do it with a cash cow policy at the expense of both fans and traders, I can't rejoice at the notion that someone's life may be about to be ruined, which is the unavoidable consequence of facing a multi-million dollars lawsuit when you're not yourself a multimillionaire, and those people aren't. However the law is the law, and the Estate is doing what they must to protect their property. I just hope no one's life will be destroyed in the process. Prince would traditionally withdrow his charges when bootleggers would back off and cease activities. Hopefully the estate will do the same.

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Reply #33 posted 09/01/18 3:31am

GeurtWalraven

In the 90's-00's there was a truckload of Elvis Presley bootlegs featuring soundboards, outtakes, you name it. His record company started a ''collectors label'' in 1999. One of the reasons was to stop the releases of bootlegs. And it worked. Every now and then still Elvis bootlegs are coming out. Mostly with audience recorded concerts or re-releases from old bootlegs. The label is now going 19 years and still going strong. By now 173 titles has been released featuring books, concerts and outtakes. With so many material of Prince in the vaults, its a great opportunity to do the same.

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Reply #34 posted 09/01/18 4:27am

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LoneCrone said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:


I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.



Actually after talking awhile I really got along well. I like him but also I went on a bit about how merch from Paisley was not as good as it once was. I met the guy as well that took the order from Paisley to make the jerseys. He was super cool. I mentioned same to him. I gave him a piece of mind that the shirts were just not as cool. Truth is Donna's husband probably was not even born when the NPG jerseys were manufactured. As the trademark guy working for Prince though I was little surprised he never seen one and we talked at length about how I thought newer merch was just not cool. I still do believe there is disconnect with supply and demand. Majority of books released in like them done away from Paisley, for example. Why can't the estate get together a good book, to be fair I did like the ones they released though the celebration one was kind of shotty. I guess the answer is to allow others to do the work then eventually go after them. Ridiculous. I'm just older, socks, water bottle, leather bracelets. They won't get my money. Higher end shirts with detail, books, music that is packaged properly they will take my money.
I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #35 posted 09/01/18 4:51am

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This lawsuit is a Blast From The Past. It's almost like he's still with us! lol

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Reply #36 posted 09/01/18 5:10am

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databank said:

Certain people must not be sleeping at night anymore confused

While I'm not fond of Eye Records - not because they release bootlegs but because of how they do it with a cash cow policy at the expense of both fans and traders, I can't rejoice at the notion that someone's life may be about to be ruined, which is the unavoidable consequence of facing a multi-million dollars lawsuit when you're not yourself a multimillionaire, and those people aren't. However the law is the law, and the Estate is doing what they must to protect their property. I just hope no one's life will be destroyed in the process. Prince would traditionally withdrow his charges when bootleggers would back off and cease activities. Hopefully the estate will do the same.

Let it go...and so, not let it fade away...
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Reply #37 posted 09/01/18 5:21am

leecaldon

LoneCrone said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.

Although he was officially the President of NPG Records from 2013.

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Reply #38 posted 09/01/18 5:40am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

LoneCrone said:

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.

Actually after talking awhile I really got along well. I like him but also I went on a bit about how merch from Paisley was not as good as it once was. I met the guy as well that took the order from Paisley to make the jerseys. He was super cool. I mentioned same to him. I gave him a piece of mind that the shirts were just not as cool. Truth is Donna's husband probably was not even born when the NPG jerseys were manufactured. As the trademark guy working for Prince though I was little surprised he never seen one and we talked at length about how I thought newer merch was just not cool. I still do believe there is disconnect with supply and demand. Majority of books released in like them done away from Paisley, for example. Why can't the estate get together a good book, to be fair I did like the ones they released though the celebration one was kind of shotty. I guess the answer is to allow others to do the work then eventually go after them. Ridiculous. I'm just older, socks, water bottle, leather bracelets. They won't get my money. Higher end shirts with detail, books, music that is packaged properly they will take my money.

Josh was born circa 1990, so he was born, but he was in primary school in the 1-800 New Funk days. Ain't we old?

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Reply #39 posted 09/01/18 5:54am

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There will always b boots
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Reply #40 posted 09/01/18 6:24am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

LoneCrone said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:


I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.". I kindly explained it was sold directly from 1800NEWFUNK back when they actually made cool merch and it is still heavily sought after. They just don't get it. One release a year LOL. This will fire up people to secretly drop all they got especially if they don't release music. Though it is the right of them to go after people from personal experience they are kind of clueless.

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.



Actually after talking awhile I really got along well. I like him but also I went on a bit about how merch from Paisley was not as good as it once was. I met the guy as well that took the order from Paisley to make the jerseys. He was super cool. I mentioned same to him. I gave him a piece of mind that the shirts were just not as cool. Truth is Donna's husband probably was not even born when the NPG jerseys were manufactured. As the trademark guy working for Prince though I was little surprised he never seen one and we talked at length about how I thought newer merch was just not cool. I still do believe there is disconnect with supply and demand. Majority of books released in like them done away from Paisley, for example. Why can't the estate get together a good book, to be fair I did like the ones they released though the celebration one was kind of shotty. I guess the answer is to allow others to do the work then eventually go after them. Ridiculous. I'm just older, socks, water bottle, leather bracelets. They won't get my money. Higher end shirts with detail, books, music that is packaged properly they will take my money.


Hell, they don’t even have to come up with new books! Reissue The Sacrifice of Victor, fer cryin’ out loud.
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Reply #41 posted 09/01/18 7:39am

TrevorAyer

The estate clearly fucked up the vault and is relegated to sueing EYE to get access to more recordings ... considering the poor sourced material already released they seem to be grasping at straws for material when a simple high quality vault sourced set would put an end to interest in anything eye releases ... the estate is run by crackheads who will never release anything good and will only make a peep when they get mad at those putting out better material than they can be bothered to ... the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful
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Reply #42 posted 09/01/18 7:54am

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leecaldon said:

LoneCrone said:

I'm sure he was just acting on orders (lackey), but what a douche.

Although he was officially the President of NPG Records from 2013.

I was not even aware of that until later which was funny. I bought that jersey at the Paisley garage sale and actually, I bought thousand worth of cds, vinyl, jerseys, artwork etc. Another guy bought up most of the jerseys and I regret not having more capital. Anyway, funny story after I bought everything someone comes up "hey someone wants to meet YOU!" (my thought was Who me!) I go chat with this lady who looks beautiful, later find out it is Prince's ex from grade school. She had a curly hair and a clipboard and asks "you bought a lot of merch what do you plan to do with it!" and I explained ebay it to fund going to shows. Come to think back, $7 purchase and I got to meet the President (the President of NPG Records).

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #43 posted 09/01/18 8:00am

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Laws are aribtrary. If you don't like bootlegs put the damn shit out? Zappa and Dylan were both smart about this.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #44 posted 09/01/18 8:12am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

I like the part that the will bring lawsuit on anyone. I wore an NPG old school hockey Jersey to a Paisley Park party once and Donna's husband came over and started a conversation "where did you buy that jersey man? You know we don't look kindly on bootlegger merch.".

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So some dweeb who only got in with the Prince crowd FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO because HIS WIFE got a job with them is now telling off fans?

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Good lord, what kind of imbeciles are running the show there?

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Reply #45 posted 09/01/18 8:17am

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Vannormal said:


Sueing bootleggers is just plain stupid. If Prince was still alive, he would've done it himself much more, and if he realy wanted to spend more time on that with good legal support.

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There is exactly ONE court case which involved a Prince release: a guy who'd released TBA. Of course it collapsed because during the case it came out that Warners couldn't produce evidence that they had the legal right to act on behalf of Prince, because apparently Prince had failed to produce the necessary documents. The case is discussed in a book about bootlegs.

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Reply #46 posted 09/01/18 8:30am

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TrevorAyer said:

The estate clearly fucked up the vault and is relegated to sueing EYE to get access to more recordings ... considering the poor sourced material already released they seem to be grasping at straws for material when a simple high quality vault sourced set would put an end to interest in anything eye releases ... the estate is run by crackheads who will never release anything good and will only make a peep when they get mad at those putting out better material than they can be bothered to ... the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful


I think that's quite a leap to believe that.

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Reply #47 posted 09/01/18 10:41am

tmcjb

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the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful

Does your country have access to adequate mental health resources?

"Like the drummer said, you got to die."
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Reply #48 posted 09/01/18 10:47am

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tmcjb said:

TrevorAyer said:

the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful

Does your country have access to adequate mental health resources?

falloff

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Reply #49 posted 09/01/18 11:09am

Strive

leecaldon said:



TrevorAyer said:


The estate clearly fucked up the vault and is relegated to sueing EYE to get access to more recordings ... considering the poor sourced material already released they seem to be grasping at straws for material when a simple high quality vault sourced set would put an end to interest in anything eye releases ... the estate is run by crackheads who will never release anything good and will only make a peep when they get mad at those putting out better material than they can be bothered to ... the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful


I think that's quite a leap to believe that.



Especially since the estate is working with Questlove, who's in all the elite trading circles that Eye stole from.
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Reply #50 posted 09/01/18 11:19am

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hmmm I understand why the estate is suing and they certainly have the right to but.....I just think that it's too late (and kinda pointless) to go after the bootleggers.Prince bootlegs have been circulating since the 80s! So much stuff is already out there and make no mistake,it will continue to circulate forever.Eye Records is just one of many,many sources to obtain this stuff.

What the estate should be doing is trying to find a way to beat the bootleggers at their own game......maybe set up a NPG Music Club type of service where fans can legally purchase unreleased Prince music,concerts,etc.

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Reply #51 posted 09/01/18 11:35am

darkroman

The Prince Estate have neither the power or money to go after eBay - the biggest bootleg company of all time.

Instead the Estate like to intimidate the fans who created Prince's success.

Idiots!

nuts

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Reply #52 posted 09/01/18 11:46am

SoulAlive

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There will always be illegal material circulating. Prince was eager when he recorded something and was pretty messy with his stuff in his own camp, don't forget that.

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Reply #53 posted 09/01/18 12:13pm

violetcrush

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hmmm I understand why the estate is suing and they certainly have the right to but.....I just think that it's too late (and kinda pointless) to go after the bootleggers.Prince bootlegs have been circulating since the 80s! So much stuff is already out there and make no mistake,it will continue to circulate forever.Eye Records is just one of many,many sources to obtain this stuff.

What the estate should be doing is trying to find a way to beat the bootleggers at their own game......maybe set up a NPG Music Club type of service where fans can legally purchase unreleased Prince music,concerts,etc.

Right. It's a "supply and demand" situation. There will always be a resource for obtaining bootleg material, but the demand for it is directly proportionate to a better quality and larger supply offered by the Estate. Can't really understand what the main issues are with the Estate's ability to release more music and at a faster pace.

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Reply #54 posted 09/01/18 12:14pm

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TrevorAyer said:


the estate isn’t trying to preserve prince legacy .. they are trying to destroy it cuz they are all hateful


Does your country have access to adequate mental health resources?



lol lol
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Reply #55 posted 09/01/18 12:18pm

violetcrush

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The Prince Estate have neither the power or money to go after eBay - the biggest bootleg company of all time.

Instead the Estate like to intimidate the fans who created Prince's success.

Idiots!

nuts

Well....Prince did also attempt to sue 22 fans $1 million each for linking to bootlegs back in 2014. So, I guess they're continuing in that same vein??

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Reply #56 posted 09/01/18 12:46pm

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I understand the estate and i´d do it the same.

The bootleggers are stealing intellectual property and make $$$ with it.

I don´t want to have someone´s life destroyed in the first place

but on the other hand, they should´ve known.

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Reply #57 posted 09/01/18 1:04pm

darkroman

violetcrush said:

darkroman said:

The Prince Estate have neither the power or money to go after eBay - the biggest bootleg company of all time.

Instead the Estate like to intimidate the fans who created Prince's success.

Idiots!

nuts

Well....Prince did also attempt to sue 22 fans $1 million each for linking to bootlegs back in 2014. So, I guess they're continuing in that same vein??


Yes exactly! as they are afraid to take on eBay as they can't afford to!

confused


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Reply #58 posted 09/01/18 1:18pm

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violetcrush said:

darkroman said:

The Prince Estate have neither the power or money to go after eBay - the biggest bootleg company of all time.

Instead the Estate like to intimidate the fans who created Prince's success.

Idiots!

nuts

Well....Prince did also attempt to sue 22 fans $1 million each for linking to bootlegs back in 2014. So, I guess they're continuing in that same vein??


From the bowels of the org:

Prince launches huge lawsuit against bootleg sites
http://prince.org/msg/7/404520



Prince Drops $22 million lawsuit against Alleged Bootleggers

http://prince.org/msg/7/404744

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Reply #59 posted 09/01/18 1:35pm

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It is kinda funny that if they could a decent release out themselves we would be spending money directly to them! Where is black is the new black? Or NPG Jazz Q? Or instead if referring to a boot of his last show, why not just release it yourselves? Don’t get me wrong, never pay for a boot - but don’t complain about someone selling and dOing what you should be.
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