violetcrush said:

not that its bad ..but the postive reviews keep coming in because theyre paid to...

violetcrush said:

Here is Lisa Coleman's interview with Billboard. I agree with her thoughts on releasing some of the rehearsal audio and videos - especially the videos. They could select a handful of good ones chronologically, and do a CD + DVD release.

https://start.att.net/news/read/category/entertainment/article/billboard-the_revolutions_lisa_coleman_talks_piano_a_microph-promart-2

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Already posted days ago, as stated in the first post which I've regularly updated.

BartVanHemelen said:

paulludvig said:

Doozer said:

Silvertongue7 said:

paulludvig said:

The bandmembers overstate their contribution. But it's human to be self centered, l suppose. Historians have to sort it out. As to aligning statements - The Rev probably had a meeting to discuss how to deal with the release of P&M83. The record features several songs they have laid their claim on, but here they are performed with gusto by Prince alone. Their answer: "he was rehearsing their songs". Yeah right. [Edited 9/21/18 10:31am]

They’ve been absolute vultures since he died - like the bullshit about writing the lyrics to Wonderful Ass together, inspired by the Melvoin sisters’ derrières, or saying shit like ‘being in Prince and the Revolution’... you weren’t in Prince and The Revolution, love, you were in The Revolution. It wasn’t a society of equals. It really pisses me off, because I really like them and I know that they made huge contributions to P’s music. But they are being ridiculous.

Show me where ANY of them said that they wrote the lyrics to Wonderful Ass?? Lisa stated she did her vocal with him, and she and Wendy added their instrumental contriubtions to the track. Her story about the Melvoin sisters was with regard to the time during which they re-recorded the song. Clearly, the song originated during Vanity's time, so the lyric comes from his time with her.

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And actually, they WERE Prince and the Revolution". Go back and look at your album titles. Also, please review your audio of the concerts to refresh your memory on how the band was introduced..."Lady's and gentlemen, please welcome, "Prince and the Revolution!" Beginning with the First Avenue 8/83 show until the Japan 9/86 show, they were "Prince and the Revolution".

ethanthomas said:

ThirdStrike said:

ethanthomas said:

Some people here simply can't see the forest for the trees. The beauty of these recordings is that they are so intimate, we get to eavesdrop on him in the midst of his creative process. His singing voice is incredible throughout and some of the piano melodies/sequences are sublime. This music adds another chapter to his legend. Great choice by the estate in my opinion.

Well said. I’m starting to believe this release will only be appreciated by the more sophisticated Prince fans. The ones that understand his relevance in totality. Make no mistake. This is an extremely important release long term.

yes ....but this is not whats going to get peopel to buy his stuff again

Duane Tudahl posted the two pages about this session from the upcoming expanded edition of his book on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/...&ifg=1

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Anyone notice he messed up on the ket at .35 seconds of International Lover...

Oh man the estate really released this huh...

ThirdStrike said:

ethanthomas said:

Some people here simply can't see the forest for the trees. The beauty of these recordings is that they are so intimate, we get to eavesdrop on him in the midst of his creative process. His singing voice is incredible throughout and some of the piano melodies/sequences are sublime. This music adds another chapter to his legend. Great choice by the estate in my opinion.

Well said. I’m starting to believe this release will only be appreciated by the more sophisticated Prince fans. The ones that understand his relevance in totality. Make no mistake. This is an extremely important release long term.

More sophisticated fans... Yea right... Best beleive there are far more superior recordings than this so "sophisticated fans" can appreciate this. This release is just plain dissapointing. Period.

These are demos period... He is even messing up minor keys and chords on international lover, at .35 seconds and throughout the songs...

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I was expecting to be underwhelmed by this release. But as I listen to this its incredible intimacy makes it feel likes hes playing just for you. I love how the tracks are the actual performance. Blows me away that all these songs were bouncing around in his head (with or without the Revolution) and how he can just make it all come together.

Genius in the making.

#Prince4EVER

ps...Is there more superior recordings in the vault- of course there are and I cant wait to hear more of it. However for the time being this is one hell of an appetizer...bring on the main course!

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violetcrush said:

feeluupp said:

ThirdStrike said:

ethanthomas said: Well said. I’m starting to believe this release will only be appreciated by the more sophisticated Prince fans. The ones that understand his relevance in totality. Make no mistake. This is an extremely important release long term.

More sophisticated fans... Yea right... Best beleive there are far more superior recordings than this so "sophisticated fans" can appreciate this. This release is just plain dissapointing. Period.

These are demos period... He is even messing up minor keys and chords on international lover, at .35 seconds and throughout the songs...

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But why is that a bad thing. You're right, these are demos, and the songs were evolving and being fleshed out. It's Prince alone and going through his creative process. I think it's great. I remember when I first heard Why The Butterflies and 17 days, I thought, wow, this is so great. It was the first time I had heard him this way.

feeluupp said:

ThirdStrike said:

ethanthomas said: Well said. I’m starting to believe this release will only be appreciated by the more sophisticated Prince fans. The ones that understand his relevance in totality. Make no mistake. This is an extremely important release long term.

More sophisticated fans... Yea right... Best beleive there are far more superior recordings than this so "sophisticated fans" can appreciate this. This release is just plain dissapointing. Period.

These are demos period... He is even messing up minor keys and chords on international lover, at .35 seconds and throughout the songs...

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That's exactly what I'm saying. You pointing out about him "messing up" minor keys on a fucking REHEARSAL RECORDING accentuates my points for me. This recording is the VERY PLACE for such "mistakes" (duh). And as such, the fans who understand and appreciate that fact when consuming this music are the ones for which its release was intended. Not for those "I want to hear stuff I have't already ilegally heard years before" so-called "fans" who constantly complain about releases even when they are coming out at a fairly steady pace since 2016. It's madness.

I'm at a loss. These arguements are the very reason the viewership on this site has dissipated at the rate it has. Now if you'll excuse me. I want to get back to enjoyong this "plain disappointing" music now...

Required reading when listening to P&M 1983

BartVanHemelen said:

Duane Tudahl posted the two pages about this session from the upcoming expanded edition of his book on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/...&ifg=1

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thanks Bart...it appears you've actually been coming through with some positivity of late...keep it up

#LIVE4LOVE

violetcrush said:

feeluupp said:

More sophisticated fans... Yea right... Best beleive there are far more superior recordings than this so "sophisticated fans" can appreciate this. This release is just plain dissapointing. Period.

These are demos period... He is even messing up minor keys and chords on international lover, at .35 seconds and throughout the songs...

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But why is that a bad thing. You're right, these are demos, and the songs were evolving and being fleshed out. It's Prince alone and going through his creative process. I think it's great. I remember when I first heard Why The Butterflies and 17 days, I thought, wow, this is so great. It was the first time I had heard him this way.

I literally teared up when I first heard "Why The Butterflies". Not because of Prince's passing...although that would be reason enough. But because it made me think about my Mother who passed on 9 years ago in November. That song touched me deeply, and I'm one of the ones who's never heard this recording before (I'm so glad I hadn't). And "17 Days"?!? Awww man. What a rendition. I think this release is absoluetely beautiful, and again I think it's extremely important as it relates to Prince's legacy and the strategy in how the estate will handle future releases...

Silvertongue7 said:

^^^ Fair enough. I’m glad that you’ll enjoy it, an I hope that most fans, old or new, do too. I can’t see myself playing it often, but to each their own.

Isn't music listening often a mood thing? Different sound and styles preferred based on the situation or mood. This one for me is good for those quiet weekend days, or relaxing before going to sleep.

violetcrush said:

Romeoblu said:

violetcrush said:

Isn't music listening often a mood thing? Different sound and styles preferred based on the situation or mood. This one for me is good for those quiet weekend days, or relaxing before going to sleep.

Totally agree. This for me is perfect Friday/ Saturday evening listening. Few candles on and a glass of Red Wine. I was originally disappointed by the announcement of this release but as it approached I warmed to it. After a couple of listens I'm loving it. I think it's a great worthy edition to his discography. It sounds great, miles better than the old bootleg I had. In fact that was so bad I only listened to it a few times over the years. I really like that he says do u wanna flip the tape over right at the end of side one. Also I think they should have called it "Is That My Echo" I still think not to include the booklet with the standard edition was a disgrace.

Agreed on all points. I'm very new to the bootleg tracks, so someone may have enhanced the sound prior to me uploading them, but I'm sure the release is the best quality. Don't have mine yet.

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Yes, the booklet should have been included with both editions.

I just received my copy of P&M 83, the deluxe edition. I wanted to keep it sealed so I also purchased the digital version from Amazon as well. When this was first announced back in June I was a little disappointed especially since I have the Thunderball release from 20 years ago ... some say there is little improvement in the sound quality - I think there definitly is. I'm not an audiophile, I just know what sounds good to my ears. I'm fairly certain that in time I'll grow to really appreciate this realease. Like I was saying, it wouldn't have been my first choice, I don't feel disappointed like did after HITnRUN Phase 1 came out.

just came back from target,heard the whole cd in the car,at the conclusion i did shead a tear...and 2 think there's more coming down the pipeline hopefully soon

Can everyone please stop acting like this is the final and only release for the next 5 years? As if this release negates everything he has done in his entire career? And also stop acting like this is some ground breaking genius shit as well?

Geezus,the Prince online fandom is so ridiculous. It's 2018 and stlll actin 1998.

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KingSausage said:

I pre-ordered the deluxe set from Amazon in June 7. I was notified today that the shipment would be delayed until October. At first I was pissed because I’m just an angry MF like that. But I’m okay with it. They credited my order. I listened to the whole “album” on streaming, and it’s very underwhelming. I’ve had — and ignored — the bootleg for decades. I’m going to buy it on iTunes for completist’s sake. I can’t imagine the liner notes in the deluxe set are anything special. Thanks, Amazon, for saving me $20+ today. I’ll spend it on something more interesting than private noodling.

Nice of them to let you know. I ordered from Amazon Canada the same day and now see that delivery is estimated at 1 - 3 months, but they've haven't bothered to update me directly.

Still, the issue is obviously with Warner - Amazon can't ship product they don't have. Baffling that Warner dropped the ball like this.

TwiliteKid said:

KingSausage said:

I pre-ordered the deluxe set from Amazon in June 7. I was notified today that the shipment would be delayed until October. At first I was pissed because I’m just an angry MF like that. But I’m okay with it. They credited my order. I listened to the whole “album” on streaming, and it’s very underwhelming. I’ve had — and ignored — the bootleg for decades. I’m going to buy it on iTunes for completist’s sake. I can’t imagine the liner notes in the deluxe set are anything special. Thanks, Amazon, for saving me $20+ today. I’ll spend it on something more interesting than private noodling.

Completely agree with you... Believe me as someone posted to me in this thread saying it's a creative process that I don't understand since I'm not a "real" fan etc... That's bull... This is a very underhwelming release indeed, and as a fan I am always in awe of his artistic process especially his piano pieces, however I don't feel these recordings showcase that, especially Purple Rain on this recording is so underwhelming, it's sad they even released such an iconic song when there are so many better recordings of Purple Rain.

Anyway it is underwhelming, underwhelming and even more underwhelming.

rdhull said:

Can everyone please stop acting like this is the final and only release for the next 5 years? As if this release negates everything he has done in his entire career? And also stop acting like this is some ground breaking genius shit as well?

Geezus,the Prince online fandom is so ridiculous. It's 2018 and stlll actin 1998.

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Agreed!

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ThirdStrike said:

feeluupp said:

More sophisticated fans... Yea right... Best beleive there are far more superior recordings than this so "sophisticated fans" can appreciate this. This release is just plain dissapointing. Period.

These are demos period... He is even messing up minor keys and chords on international lover, at .35 seconds and throughout the songs...

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That's exactly what I'm saying. You pointing out about him "messing up" minor keys on a fucking REHEARSAL RECORDING accentuates my points for me. This recording is the VERY PLACE for such "mistakes" (duh). And as such, the fans who understand and appreciate that fact when consuming this music are the ones for which its release was intended. Not for those "I want to hear stuff I have't already ilegally heard years before" so-called "fans" who constantly complain about releases even when they are coming out at a fairly steady pace since 2016. It's madness.

I'm at a loss. These arguements are the very reason the viewership on this site has dissipated at the rate it has. Now if you'll excuse me. I want to get back to enjoyong this "plain disappointing" music now...

It is dissapointing and underwhelming... This is exactly what you accentuated as well, a recording that most likely should've never been released... Not gonna get in to the whole debate if Prince was alive he would or wouldn't release, but the songs on this release are extremely underwhelming... Did you listen to Purple Rain? One of the most iconic songs of all time and they release this version when we know for a fact there are far more superior recordings...

It's not your right to judge who is and who isn't a real fan because we don't agree that this release is special or spectacular like you do. We all are for listening or viewing the creative process in which Prince creates his art and his craft, but I'm sorry, this is not a good representation of it, not at all... If anyone is "satisified" with the lack of completeness in this release, it's only lowering the standard for future releases from the estate. You can enjoy the music that's great, we all enjoy Prince's music, but I can not agree with the choice from the estate with this subpar release, not at all. These were demos for a reason, the blueprint is there in the songs, but not the soul yet... Hence why it feels incomplete, and hence why this was shelved for 30 years and other recordings and outtakes were reworked and much more improved upon.