Prince was probably alerted to this back in the day....so he went on the P&M tour to shove it in Quincy's face.

IMO, who cares what Quincy thinks or said about Prince's piano playing...I certainly don't.

1contessa said:

Quincy Jones is a salty old fuck! He's a washed up horn player that only wished he could have a quarter of the talent Prince had. Quincy Jones was mad a the fact that he didn't have the talent which Prince possessed, the looks Prince had, the women Prince had, and simply put the stardom. Rick James had the same problem.

QJ is more talented than just a washed up horn player. The dude did musical arrangements for Frank Sinatra/Count Basie, wrote the soundtrack for In the HEat of the night (and other movies like In Cold Blood for which he was the first black composer to be nominated for an oscar), did the Sanford and son theme song, produced and arranged some of MJ"s biggest hits..I know he did more but I don't follow him that closely. That all being said, he is still a salty old man who is underplaying the talent of those around him.

joyinrepetition said:

Quincy Jones is a salty old fuck! He's a washed up horn player that only wished he could have a quarter of the talent Prince had. Quincy Jones was mad a the fact that he didn't have the talent which Prince possessed, the looks Prince had, the women Prince had, and simply put the stardom. Rick James had the same problem.

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Since we are debating P's piano prowess, what do you folks think about P's playing on the One NIght Alone album. Its not a perfect album and I am not an expert on piano playing...but it certainly sounded like he could play quite a bit more than a few chords. There is some pretty stuff on that album.

Some of you guys are truly delusional and childish.

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For the record: I am not a fan of Q but a fan of Prince. But attacking Quincy Jones on a personal level (and talking about his preference in women – really?...) says far more about you than about him.
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As I said before: maybe try understanding what he means before attacking him for hurting your deaf/dumb/blind admiration of Prince. Q is NOT dissing Prince. (Nor do I of course.) Q did not say that "Prince could only play a few chords", that's just something you're trying to put into his mouth. Quite clearly, what he meant on "he knows some chords" is that Prince's piano playing (and btw, his guitar playing too) was based on learning chords and using licks and runs that were painstakingly rehearsed to perfection to connect and restructure those chords. His playing (on either guitar or piano) was not based on a deep understanding of musical theory and different scales that would've opened a whole universe of musical possibilities for him. His knowledge of music in that sense was quite limited. (Again: limited in comparison to the true giants, not to your average rock+pop players.)
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Prince's strengths as a pianist or guitarist (and bassist) came from his fiercely competitive nature and amazing dedication to achieving his dream from a very early age. He practiced his butt off "while everyone else was down the street". He practiced religiously, like it was mantra for him. He has learned all the fancy chords and licks from the records he listened to, mainly soul, funk, rock, jazz fusion and pop, possibly gospel too. I love these genres too but these are only some small fragments the whole music universe. Prince has perfected his rehearsed licks and runs to such an incredibly high level that combined with his natural, soulful feel and passion, his playing became truly inspired and even when he played rehearsed licks he managed to sound like improvisation to the untrained ears. (He could improvise, but in his improvisations he relied on rehearsed licks too.)

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Again: Prince was a truly one-of-a-kind, all-around musical genius and I have the greatest admiration for him. (As for Q: I respect his depths of knowledge in music and for what he's done in music, but I've never been a true fan of his production style, it's far too perfect to my ears and often soundling like a Unicef Gala, borderline kitsch.)
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Prince was unique and amazing in so many different areas, as a songwriter, producer, lyricist, performer, singer etc. as well as being a truly beautiful human being with a loving heart and compassion towards others. The list could go on. In my eyes these already make him one of the greatests of mankind. I see absolutely no reason to add false credits to his name, such as comparing his piano skills to Hancock's, as that is silly and ignorant.

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Quincy has known and worked with a huge array of truly amazing musicians, true giants. When he's talking about pianists, he's thinking of Art Tatum, Arthur Rubinstein, Oscar Peterson, Sviatoslav Richter, McCoy Tyner, Glenn Gould, Bill Evans. He's not even thinking of his friend, Ray Charles! Ray Charles, too, was a truly amazing genius of course, but even he wasn't quite up there with these giants as a pianist. So please try to put what Q says in this perspective. He wasn't comparing Prince's piano playing to some Richard Claydermann or Billy Joel...
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SkipperLove said:

Q wasn't saying Prince's talent at piano was raw or that there are better piano players (duh). He said he knew a few chords..that's kind of insulting and apparently inaccurate.

jaawwnn said:

Yeah, I personally love Prince's piano playing cos it suited him but I don't disagree with anything Quincy says in this specific clip.

Fact is, Prince was going for Herbie Hancock, not just Little Richard, and that's to be admired. Whether he got there or not is a whole different question.

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True! I guess I glossed over that bit as Quincy being Quincy, my bad. Alternatively it's as Kares says above, depending on how generous we want to be to Quincy.

I respect Quincy for the sheer amount of stuff he's done, mostly way back when, and if he's being fair to Prince then I think it's criticism worth considering.

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I've always felt that Quincy's issues with Prince stem from him not doing the We Are The World single.

If I'm going to be critical, Prince's piano technique could be better - the runs could be better exexcuted - but those clips show some very tasty playing with great feeling. Nobody comes closes to Prince in terms of a combination of so many musical talents in one person without coming up with self-indulgent twaddle.

Q is entitled to say that. He's a musical icon....but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it...P is playing some beautiful stuff in that clip. I always liked his piano playing more than his guitar work.

jjam said:

I've always felt that Quincy's issues with Prince stem from him not doing the We Are The World single.

If I'm going to be critical, Prince's piano technique could be better - the runs could be better exexcuted - but those clips show some very tasty playing with great feeling. Nobody comes closes to Prince in terms of a combination of so many musical talents in one person without coming up with self-indulgent twaddle.

This.

And there was the incident at The AMA's in 95. While everyone was on stage singing WE Are The World Quincy put the mic to Prince to sing. He of course responded by putting his lollipop to Q.

Q was quoted as saying afterwards something like 'after all these he's still a prick'

SPYZFAN1 said:

Q is entitled to say that. He's a musical icon....but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it...P is playing some beautiful stuff in that clip. I always liked his piano playing more than his guitar work.

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You don't have to agree that the Earth is spherical either, if you don't want to. And no-one said that Prince's playing isn't beautiful or even great.

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I'm honestly amazed at how some intelligent, grown-ups can't even bear the thought of Prince not being the greatest on Earth in every single aspect of his work and take offence at anyone who dares pointing out that as truly great as he was, he was nowhere near amongst the best AS A PIANIST.
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In other news: he couldn't walk on water either.

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rdhull said:

CatB said:

"It" happened right after the piano playing.

What on earth is "extremely caucasian"?

he only fucked white girls

That doesn't explain what "extremely caucasian" is.

@SkipperLove: Could you elaborate, please?

Prince does screw around on pinano. Or he did.

He plays better than MJ you old cretin.

CatB said:

Kares said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

Q is entitled to say that. He's a musical icon....but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it...P is playing some beautiful stuff in that clip. I always liked his piano playing more than his guitar work.

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You don't have to agree that the Earth is spherical either, if you don't want to. And no-one said that Prince's playing isn't beautiful or even great.

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I'm honestly amazed at how some intelligent, grown-ups can't even bear the thought of Prince not being the greatest on Earth in every single aspect of his work and take offence at anyone who dares pointing out that as truly great as he was, he was nowhere near amongst the best AS A PIANIST.
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In other news: he couldn't walk on water either.

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The thing here is that an intelligent grown-up called Prince an "OK piano player".

He didn't say "He wasn't the best" (which we can easily acknowledge, no matter to what degree we admired his talent).

He said "He was an OK piano player" and the way he speaks there is what we criticize. And Q must've known how the piano was Prince's Achilles Heel when it came to pleasing his dad and stepping out of his shadow. So it is also extremely ruthless and in hindsight of the things that happened before probably also intended to hurt.

An OK piano player, my ass. Has he ever actually seen and heard him play? I mean seriously. In the final basement scene in Purple Rain maybe... he should've gone and seen P on tour or attend an aftershow. He would've seen how he had people in his grip with his "OK piano playing".

It's just absurd.

CatB said:

Kares said:

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You don't have to agree that the Earth is spherical either, if you don't want to. And no-one said that Prince's playing isn't beautiful or even great.

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I'm honestly amazed at how some intelligent, grown-ups can't even bear the thought of Prince not being the greatest on Earth in every single aspect of his work and take offence at anyone who dares pointing out that as truly great as he was, he was nowhere near amongst the best AS A PIANIST.
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In other news: he couldn't walk on water either.

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The thing here is that an intelligent grown-up called Prince an "OK piano player".

He didn't say "He wasn't the best" (which we can easily acknowledge, no matter to what degree we admired his talent).

He said "He was an OK piano player" and the way he speaks there is what we criticize. And Q must've known how the piano was Prince's Achilles Heel when it came to pleasing his dad and stepping out of his shadow. So it is also extremely ruthless and in hindsight of the things that happened before probably also intended to hurt.

An OK piano player, my ass. Has he ever actually seen and heard him play? I mean seriously. In the final basement scene in Purple Rain maybe... he should've gone and seen P on tour or attend an aftershow. He would've seen how he had people in his grip with his "OK piano playing".

It's just absurd.

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What's absurd to me is people not being able to grasp what Q is saying in that video, not being able to understand the context Q is talking about Prince in.
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Seriously, guys – what's so hard to understand about someone saying that COMPARED TO the real giants like Hancock, Prince is only an OK piano player? I mean, c'mon!

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Have YOU ever heard Horowitz, Rubinstein, Evans, Hancock and the likes play??? And if you have, you still take offence at someone saying that COMPARED TO THEM Prince is only OK as a pianist?

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It's just absurd, indeed...

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Nobody is saying the sun shone out of Prince's ass. Why can't you grasp that? Quincy JOnes has said a lot of shit about Prince in the past. So, maybe that's why folks don't give him the benefit of the doubt where Prince is concerned. Q doesn't say Prince's talent was raw, or he is colorist, or that he is a competent piano player but not a master or trained classically or explain himself with the nuance you put in his mouth. HE said he is an okay piano player and knows some chords. He didn't even give him the credit of knowing quite a few chords--just "some" I doubt he meant what you are describing. Quincy has never been kind where Prince is concerned and this is just another example. I am talking about"semantics" here and the fact that fans watching a documentary about Prince aren't going to know who Oscar Peterson is to compare to PRince. They are kids and casual music fans and Q just basically told them that Prince dabbled in playing piano. Call me cynical but I think that is exactly what Q wanted folks to think. He could have said "Prince is not a classical or jazz great piano player but he is good for a pop musician". But apparently that would be too nice.

Kares said:

CatB said:

The thing here is that an intelligent grown-up called Prince an "OK piano player".

He didn't say "He wasn't the best" (which we can easily acknowledge, no matter to what degree we admired his talent).

He said "He was an OK piano player" and the way he speaks there is what we criticize. And Q must've known how the piano was Prince's Achilles Heel when it came to pleasing his dad and stepping out of his shadow. So it is also extremely ruthless and in hindsight of the things that happened before probably also intended to hurt.

An OK piano player, my ass. Has he ever actually seen and heard him play? I mean seriously. In the final basement scene in Purple Rain maybe... he should've gone and seen P on tour or attend an aftershow. He would've seen how he had people in his grip with his "OK piano playing".

It's just absurd.

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What's absurd to me is people not being able to grasp what Q is saying in that video, not being able to understand the context Q is talking about Prince in.
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Seriously, guys – what's so hard to understand about someone saying that COMPARED TO the real giants like Hancock, Prince is only an OK piano player? I mean, c'mon!

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Have YOU ever heard Horowitz, Rubinstein, Evans, Hancock and the likes play??? And if you have, you still take offence at someone saying that COMPARED TO THEM Prince is only OK as a pianist?

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It's just absurd, indeed...

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SkipperLove said:

Kares said:

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What's absurd to me is people not being able to grasp what Q is saying in that video, not being able to understand the context Q is talking about Prince in.
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Seriously, guys – what's so hard to understand about someone saying that COMPARED TO the real giants like Hancock, Prince is only an OK piano player? I mean, c'mon!

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Have YOU ever heard Horowitz, Rubinstein, Evans, Hancock and the likes play??? And if you have, you still take offence at someone saying that COMPARED TO THEM Prince is only OK as a pianist?

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It's just absurd, indeed...

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Nobody is saying the sun shone out of Prince's ass. Why can't you grasp that? Quincy JOnes has said a lot of shit about Prince in the past. So, maybe that's why folks don't give him the benefit of the doubt where Prince is concerned. Q doesn't say Prince's talent was raw, or he is colorist, or that he is a competent piano player but not a master or trained classically or explain himself with the nuance you put in his mouth. HE said he is an okay piano player and knows some chords. He didn't even give him the credit of knowing quite a few chords--just "some" I doubt he meant what you are describing. Quincy has never been kind where Prince is concerned and this is just another example. I am talking about"semantics" here and the fact that fans watching a documentary about Prince aren't going to know who Oscar Peterson is to compare to PRince. They are kids and casual music fans and Q just basically told them that Prince dabbled in playing piano. Call me cynical but I think that is exactly what Q wanted folks to think. He could have said "Prince is not a classical or jazz great piano player but he is good for a pop musician". But apparently that would be too nice.

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Q certainly has never been one to sugarcoat his words and I understand that it can offend people but I don't care about that. I assume we're not in kindergarten so if you're offended by someone voicing a critical opinion of your hero, I'm sorry, that's your problem.
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When Q spoke about how the Beatles were a bunch of incompetent guys who couldn't really play their instruments beyond the most basic level in the beginning of their carreer, Beatles fans were quick to jump at his throat too although, like it or not, he was stating a fact that I'm sure Paul McCartney would agree with too.
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As for the Prince fans who have no idea who Oscar Peterson was or who Herbie Hancock is, I think it's perfectly alright to point out the fact that Prince, AS A PIANIST was nowhere near that, so maybe they should look them up and broaden their musical horizon.
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I meant not biracial or light skinned or Latin like some of Prince's girlfriends. I meant full out white anglo-saxon protestant types. I meant Kim Basinger, not Mayte Garcia.

CatB said:

rdhull said:

he only fucked white girls

That doesn't explain what "extremely caucasian" is.

@SkipperLove: Could you elaborate, please?

I would like to talk Quincy's use of words in a documentary about Prince..not talk about what is the right way to be a fan if you don't mind. Quincy JOnes only points out the negative of musicians because he is snob. Even his BEatles comment could have been laced with some generosity. He is right that the Beatles are not great musicians in a technical sense. Unlike generous or thoughtful people, he stops there. He doesn't say ..."but they have good ears for melody--their melodies are deceptively great". This was a standard compliment for the BEatles and he couldnt even go there. He can't give an inch to anyone.

He didn't just say they were raw musicians when they first started...he talked about working with Ringo Starr in 1970 on a version of Love is a many splendoured thing"..the only compliment he threw Ringo's way was that he was a nice guy.

He also said the following...

Speaking to Vulture, he’d called the British band “the worst musicians in the world” and “no-playing motherfuckers,” adding that “Paul [McCartney] was the worst bass player I ever heard. And Ringo [Starr]? Don’t even talk about it.”

Kares said:

SkipperLove said:

Nobody is saying the sun shone out of Prince's ass. Why can't you grasp that? Quincy JOnes has said a lot of shit about Prince in the past. So, maybe that's why folks don't give him the benefit of the doubt where Prince is concerned. Q doesn't say Prince's talent was raw, or he is colorist, or that he is a competent piano player but not a master or trained classically or explain himself with the nuance you put in his mouth. HE said he is an okay piano player and knows some chords. He didn't even give him the credit of knowing quite a few chords--just "some" I doubt he meant what you are describing. Quincy has never been kind where Prince is concerned and this is just another example. I am talking about"semantics" here and the fact that fans watching a documentary about Prince aren't going to know who Oscar Peterson is to compare to PRince. They are kids and casual music fans and Q just basically told them that Prince dabbled in playing piano. Call me cynical but I think that is exactly what Q wanted folks to think. He could have said "Prince is not a classical or jazz great piano player but he is good for a pop musician". But apparently that would be too nice.

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Q certainly has never been one to sugarcoat his words and I understand that it can offend people but I don't care about that. I assume we're not in kindergarten so if you're offended by someone voicing a critical opinion of your hero, I'm sorry, that's your problem.
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When Q spoke about how the Beatles were a bunch of incompetent guys who couldn't really play their instruments beyond the most basic level in the beginning of their carreer, Beatles fans were quick to jump at his throat too although, like it or not, he was stating a fact that I'm sure Paul McCartney would agree with too.
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As for the Prince fans who have no idea who Oscar Peterson was or who Herbie Hancock is, I think it's perfectly alright to point out the fact that Prince, AS A PIANIST was nowhere near that, so maybe they should look them up and broaden their musical horizon.
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Let's put it this way:

Although muscians such as Oscar Peterson, Art Tatum, Bill Evans, McCoy Tyner, Herbie Hancock etc are certainly talented players, I don't have any of their albums.

But I have everything Prince ever released.

I've never bought an album - much less a song - based on the fact that the musician could play a run or hit a note. I buy music because I like the way it sounds.

Isn't that all that matters?

SkipperLove said:

He also said the following...

Speaking to Vulture, he’d called the British band “the worst musicians in the world” and “no-playing motherfuckers,” adding that “Paul [McCartney] was the worst bass player I ever heard. And Ringo [Starr]? Don’t even talk about it.”

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If you're going to quote that, at least quote the significant question too, which was about his FIRST IMPRESSIONS of the Beatles in 1963. Q answered: "[my first impressions were] that they were the worst musicians in the world."
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Obviously he didn't mean the whole wide world that includes all the toddlers and amateurs. He meant the world of professional musicians. And within that world of truly great musicians who could play anything, COMPARED TO THE PROS, the Beatles were in fact "no-playing" amateurs.

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I'm not too keen on his language either and yes, he could've added something positive too, but just because he doesn't have charming manners, what he said is true.

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BlueShakooo said:

I think that Quincy is qualified to make a statement like that.

He's been working with some of the greates musicians of the 20th century.

I'm pretty sure that he has seen better piano-players than Prince...

Where's the problem?

Quincy has musical qualifications, there's no mistaken that. However, I don't think his comments on this are based on those musical qualifications. Hell, when it comes to piano playing, I honestly wouldn't feel insulted in the least little bit, if he said I was "an okay piano player that knows some chords", to my damn face. In fact, I'd be honored!

However, he was talking about Prince, who has NEVER been just..."an okay piano player that knows some chords" by any fucking stretch of imagination. Quincy's nor anyone else's!

No offense but you called me on cherry picking when in fact, you did the same thing. He wasn't just digging on them in reference to his first impression when they first got on the scene. He told a whole story about Ringo's lack of talent in 1970.

COMPARED TO THE PRO's---the Beatles were paid for their music, songwriting etc. That, in fact, makes them professionals. I love jazz music and I get where the resentment is coming from. BUt if jazz musicians and classical musicians would stop this snobby shit, it might help make their genre more accessible to the general public. People want to be moved, not just impressed. I am not saying they should sell out or "dumb" down their music. But drawing thoughtful parallels, pointing out the subtle genius of pop hooks whilst enlightening the rest of the world of the complexities of their genre (and playing)...might help others embrace a music that many find meandering and hard to connect to.

Writing and performing catchy populist music can be an underrated thing. Off the subject a bit. I am not questioning Q's musical knowledge where Prince or anyone else is concerned, I am challenging his lack of thoughtfulness and his ignoring the strong points of others. He is like a teacher who only tells you what you are doing wrong.

Kares said:

SkipperLove said:

He also said the following...

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If you're going to quote that, at least quote the significant question too, which was about his FIRST IMPRESSIONS of the Beatles in 1963. Q answered: "[my first impressions were] that they were the worst musicians in the world."
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Obviously he didn't mean the whole wide world that includes all the toddlers and amateurs. He meant the world of professional musicians. And within that world of truly great musicians who could play anything, COMPARED TO THE PROS, the Beatles were in fact "no-playing" amateurs.

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I'm not too keen on his language either and yes, he could've added something positive too, but just because he doesn't have charming manners, what he said is true.

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RodeoSchro said:

Let's put it this way:

Although muscians such as Oscar Peterson, Art Tatum, Bill Evans, McCoy Tyner, Herbie Hancock etc are certainly talented players, I don't have any of their albums.

But I have everything Prince ever released.

I've never bought an album - much less a song - based on the fact that the musician could play a run or hit a note. I buy music because I like the way it sounds.

Isn't that all that matters?

Yes to all of that. The very word MUSIC says that it is not about technique but about MUSE, about INSPIRATION. Just like the term PLAY as in 'PLAY the piano' refers to just that - to play.

There are celebrated pianists today like Lang Lang who undoubtedly are ace players (maybe not to Q but who cares) but I lose interest in his play after 2 minutes because he just doesn't touch me. He's like one of those kids who had to learn learn learn, practise practise pracise, like many kids who were turned into performing machines by their parents and teachers. There is ZERO feeling that he transports, I don't feel him having any FUN. Sure, he can capture a trained audience, the intelligentsia will applaud him. However, I see and hear nothing playful in his play.

But yeah, who am I to speak on that matter. Sorry Q. Please show us how to play the piano right.

Kares said:

CatB said:

The thing here is that an intelligent grown-up called Prince an "OK piano player".

He didn't say "He wasn't the best" (which we can easily acknowledge, no matter to what degree we admired his talent).

He said "He was an OK piano player" and the way he speaks there is what we criticize. And Q must've known how the piano was Prince's Achilles Heel when it came to pleasing his dad and stepping out of his shadow. So it is also extremely ruthless and in hindsight of the things that happened before probably also intended to hurt.

An OK piano player, my ass. Has he ever actually seen and heard him play? I mean seriously. In the final basement scene in Purple Rain maybe... he should've gone and seen P on tour or attend an aftershow. He would've seen how he had people in his grip with his "OK piano playing".

It's just absurd.

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What's absurd to me is people not being able to grasp what Q is saying in that video, not being able to understand the context Q is talking about Prince in.
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Seriously, guys – what's so hard to understand about someone saying that COMPARED TO the real giants like Hancock, Prince is only an OK piano player? I mean, c'mon!

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Have YOU ever heard Horowitz, Rubinstein, Evans, Hancock and the likes play??? And if you have, you still take offence at someone saying that COMPARED TO THEM Prince is only OK as a pianist?

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It's just absurd, indeed...

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You're reaching here because you simply have nothing left to argue. Argue over something which most of us perfectly agree on.

As I've said in my own post previous to this:

He didn't say "He wasn't the best" (which we can easily acknowledge, no matter to what degree we admired his talent).

This means that I am and most here are fully aware that there are better pianists than Prince. However, that does not make him just an "OK piano player".

Well, it takes one to know one... Prince could be snarky about other musicians and throw some petty insults down about their music but they were usually his competitors/contemporaries and he also could be complimentary about others' talents as well. But Quincy is the type of guy who would go on someone's musicial documentary and have nothing nice to say. HE is type of guy who would talk about dead musicians' personal lives (do we really need to know that Ray CHarles shot up in his testicles?) Prince doesn't even compare to that level of "prick"ness. He never talked about people's personal lives, he respected the dead, and even said a few geniunely nice things about MJ (his biggest rival.) Prince got called out for making fun of the fact that MJ, unlike himself, had nose surgery..Well, Quincy JOnes, who worked with MJ, said MJ (whom he had to have known had vitiligo) wanted to be white. NIce guy. So I guess for this reason, Q doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me. As for my white girls comment, that was a joke (not to be taken too seriously) but Quincy saying MIke wanted to be white while he was dating mostly white women is a load of irony.

dodger said:

jjam said:

I've always felt that Quincy's issues with Prince stem from him not doing the We Are The World single.

If I'm going to be critical, Prince's piano technique could be better - the runs could be better exexcuted - but those clips show some very tasty playing with great feeling. Nobody comes closes to Prince in terms of a combination of so many musical talents in one person without coming up with self-indulgent twaddle.

This.

And there was the incident at The AMA's in 95. While everyone was on stage singing WE Are The World Quincy put the mic to Prince to sing. He of course responded by putting his lollipop to Q.

Q was quoted as saying afterwards something like 'after all these he's still a prick'

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