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Thread started 06/28/18 6:58pm

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Prince Recorded an Acid House Album!! (In the Vaults) According to Chuck Zwicky

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Cut to 1 hour 50 minutes on this video:

Chuck did 8 records with Prince & only 2 were released. He also recorded the Rave album. eek The background story on the acid house album sounds interesting. cool

Another piece of the puzzle, Parts of Batman soundtrack ('Batdance' & others) were the inspiration for the Acid House Album. smile

The other interviews with Ingrid/Cat/Fink are just as cool as well. LOTS of stuff *you* have never heard if you didn't listen. If you want to listen to more, just start it at the intro. cool

[Edited 6/28/18 20:43pm]

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Reply #1 posted 06/28/18 8:28pm

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eek I'd love to hear that!

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Reply #2 posted 06/28/18 8:42pm

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eek I'd love to hear that!

Thanks for the link assist headbang

I think a lot of prince fans are mistaken, Prince completed a lot of albums. Because he knew a day when he wouldn't be here. He also knew that no one was going to judge them correctly if he dumped em on the world issuing as fan club releases. HE KNEW IT.

He was ahead of his time just on this *1* notion. If Chuck Zwicky did 10 records with Prince in a short span of time, just imagine albums that no one knows about. Because the reality is, everything was a effin blur. No one knows except those engineers and the little moments they can recall. Remember, most of the musicians were not present when Prince was recording a lot of times.

I trust these professionals wayyyy more than I do any org member in here trying to tell me "Prince's vault is mainly unfinished"

I don't think we can hear it all. Like Sonny T said "Because you would be listening a whole lifetime" This is going to be a struggle to find these, I bet. lol

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Reply #3 posted 06/28/18 8:56pm

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I worry about 'rushed' written and recorded material though.

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Reply #4 posted 06/29/18 1:58am

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I say he's wildly mistaken. All of the titles he mentions are part of the unreleased Rave album, and unless there is a significantly different mix out there, that album is not a House album.

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Reply #5 posted 06/29/18 2:10am

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BartVanHemelen said:

I say he's wildly mistaken. All of the titles he mentions are part of the unreleased Rave album, and unless there is a significantly different mix out there, that album is not a House album.



I thought the same. He mentioned God's House, I think he meant Big House. That was included in a configuration if Rave If I remember correctly.
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Reply #6 posted 06/29/18 3:48am

darkroman

Romeoblu said:

BartVanHemelen said:

I say he's wildly mistaken. All of the titles he mentions are part of the unreleased Rave album, and unless there is a significantly different mix out there, that album is not a House album.

I thought the same. He mentioned God's House, I think he meant Big House. That was included in a configuration if Rave If I remember correctly.



I totally agree.

Prince has released some great dance tunes which would fit well on an album together, such as; The Human Body (Emancipsation) and Love (3121). etc. etc.

These are in no way acid house tracks but Prince has created some great dance tunes that fit together very nicely!

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Reply #7 posted 06/29/18 4:44am

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I think he's using the term loosely. Prince never really had a good grasp on certain genres, and techno/house was one of them.

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Reply #8 posted 06/29/18 8:24am

Wolfie87

NouveauDance said:

I think he's using the term loosely. Prince never really had a good grasp on certain genres, and techno/house was one of them.



With a few tweaks here and there, "New World" from Emancipation is very much an acid house track. If you just listen to the beat.
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Reply #9 posted 06/29/18 8:43am

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rdhull said:

I worry about 'rushed' written and recorded material though.


True, but...the ultimate "'rushed' written and recorded" album is N.E.W.S - which is pretty great.

And in a sense, didn't nearly all of Prince's stuff fit that definition?

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Reply #10 posted 06/29/18 8:53am

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Genesia said:



rdhull said:


I worry about 'rushed' written and recorded material though.




True, but...the ultimate "'rushed' written and recorded" album is N.E.W.S - which is pretty great.

And in a sense, didn't nearly all of Prince's stuff fit that definition?



Yeah, his 80s heyday. I just don’t like the thought of him hearing about house, rap, acid ex and saying “I’ll be right back with an album of songs from each genre” in his “I can do anything and any style well” ... because he couldn’t. Three Chains Of Gold anyone?
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Reply #11 posted 06/29/18 8:57am

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rdhull said:

Genesia said:


True, but...the ultimate "'rushed' written and recorded" album is N.E.W.S - which is pretty great.

And in a sense, didn't nearly all of Prince's stuff fit that definition?

Yeah, his 80s heyday. I just don’t like the thought of him hearing about house, rap, acid ex and saying “I’ll be right back with an album of songs from each genre” in his “I can do anything and any style well” ... because he couldn’t. Three Chains Of Gold anyone?


lol @ Three Chains of Gold.

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Reply #12 posted 06/29/18 10:51am

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Why does the host of this never realize she is on mic? Anytime I hear her speak she is always shouting.

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Reply #13 posted 06/29/18 12:15pm

Strive

If anything, it shows how much Prince recycled.

He says that Rave was the house album and he cannibalized pieces from that for Batman.
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Reply #14 posted 06/29/18 12:16pm

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chaocracy said:

Why does the host of this never realize she is on mic? Anytime I hear her speak she is always shouting.

lol

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Reply #15 posted 06/29/18 12:30pm

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so he recorded another 8 albums between 87/88/89 ???

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Reply #16 posted 06/29/18 1:23pm

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luvsexy4all said:

so he recorded another 8 albums between 87/88/89 ???


Do you actually believe that?
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Reply #17 posted 06/29/18 1:33pm

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Around 88 he reportedly spoke to Mark Moore of S'Express. Alphabet St (This Is Not Music, This Is A Trip) was of course heavily influenced by S'Express so it's not beyond the realms of possibility
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Reply #18 posted 06/30/18 12:07pm

luvsexy4all

rdhull said:

luvsexy4all said:

so he recorded another 8 albums between 87/88/89 ???

Do you actually believe that?

well we have probably 3 or 4 ...so isnt it possible?

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Reply #19 posted 06/30/18 2:15pm

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dodger said:

Around 88 he reportedly spoke to Mark Moore of S'Express. Alphabet St (This Is Not Music, This Is A Trip) was of course heavily influenced by S'Express so it's not beyond the realms of possibility

Having a song influenced by another isnt exactly having 8 albums between 87-88. I'm not saying there isnt, but in my opinion there probably isnt 8 whole albums from that period.

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Reply #20 posted 06/30/18 4:28pm

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rdhull said:



dodger said:


Around 88 he reportedly spoke to Mark Moore of S'Express. Alphabet St (This Is Not Music, This Is A Trip) was of course heavily influenced by S'Express so it's not beyond the realms of possibility

Having a song influenced by another isnt exactly having 8 albums between 87-88. I'm not saying there isnt, but in my opinion there probably isnt 8 whole albums from that period.



I was talking about the possibility of him making an ‘acid house album’ not recording 8 albums in that period
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Reply #21 posted 06/30/18 6:24pm

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dodger said:

rdhull said:



dodger said:


Around 88 he reportedly spoke to Mark Moore of S'Express. Alphabet St (This Is Not Music, This Is A Trip) was of course heavily influenced by S'Express so it's not beyond the realms of possibility

Having a song influenced by another isnt exactly having 8 albums between 87-88. I'm not saying there isnt, but in my opinion there probably isnt 8 whole albums from that period.



I was talking about the possibility of him making an ‘acid house album’ not recording 8 albums in that period


That’s highly likely
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Reply #22 posted 06/30/18 7:46pm

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I love Cat, but, damn, could Dr. Fink and IC have gotten a bit more time to talk? I like Cat's stories, but it just seems like Dr. Fink and IC didn't really have a chance to expound at all.

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Reply #23 posted 07/01/18 8:01pm

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dodger said:

Around 88 he reportedly spoke to Mark Moore of S'Express. Alphabet St (This Is Not Music, This Is A Trip) was of course heavily influenced by S'Express so it's not beyond the realms of possibility

With both the first S'Express single and Alphabet being released the same month, I'm not certain one could have influenced the other.
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Reply #24 posted 07/01/18 8:06pm

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luvsexy4all said:

so he recorded another 8 albums between 87/88/89 ???


I think this is again the same confusion as the confusion surrounding Prince's claims of having follow-ups to 1999 and PR. What I understand here is 8 album's worth of material with some tentative tracklists, not 8 completed records of unreleased material. We know of certain unreleased configurations from those days such as Rave, 24, early GB, JJ2,Sheila 4,Corporate World or the Margie record. But 8 completed, finalised Prince records with Prince on vocals? I wish, but I'm not buying it.
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Reply #25 posted 07/01/18 10:41pm

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databank said:

dodger said:

Around 88 he reportedly spoke to Mark Moore of S'Express. Alphabet St (This Is Not Music, This Is A Trip) was of course heavily influenced by S'Express so it's not beyond the realms of possibility

With both the first S'Express single and Alphabet being released the same month, I'm not certain one could have influenced the other.


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Reply #26 posted 07/02/18 2:00am

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dodger said:

databank said:
With both the first S'Express single and Alphabet being released the same month, I'm not certain one could have influenced the other.
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Mark claiming he recognizes his own influence in a remix that he may have heard months after it was released does not prove that Prince had in fact been inspired by Mark's work at that stage.

Theme From S'Express was released in early April and entered the UK charts on April 10 but didn't enter the US charts until June, while the Alphabet St. maxi was released on April 23. It would mean that either Prince would have heard an advance copy of it or that he remixed Alphabet St. only about 2 weeks before the remix was released.

So IDK.

But Mark's statement does not constitute proof, as he himself does not claim to know for a fact that P was inspired by S'Express on this remix.

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Reply #27 posted 07/02/18 2:29am

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Wolfie87 said:

NouveauDance said:

I think he's using the term loosely. Prince never really had a good grasp on certain genres, and techno/house was one of them.

With a few tweaks here and there, "New World" from Emancipation is very much an acid house track. If you just listen to the beat.

I like New World, but it's from 1994.

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Reply #28 posted 07/02/18 4:39am

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databank said:

dodger said:

databank said: http://dalstonsuperstore....ark-moore/

Mark claiming he recognizes his own influence in a remix that he may have heard months after it was released does not prove that Prince had in fact been inspired by Mark's work at that stage.

Theme From S'Express was released in early April and entered the UK charts on April 10 but didn't enter the US charts until June, while the Alphabet St. maxi was released on April 23. It would mean that either Prince would have heard an advance copy of it or that he remixed Alphabet St. only about 2 weeks before the remix was released.

So IDK.

But Mark's statement does not constitute proof, as he himself does not claim to know for a fact that P was inspired by S'Express on this remix.

I don't know of any conclusive proof but what we do know is:

S'Express Theme starts off with Moore saying 'enjoy this trip, and it is a trip' and P and Cat start Alphabet St (This Is Not Music, This Is A Trip) with 'this is not music, this is a trip'

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I read somewhere years ago, I'm in work so don't have my books to hand, that P liked S'Express Theme and reached out to Moore about working together. He could have well heard Theme on the club scene before it was released.

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Moore went on to be involved in remixes of The Future and Electric Chair with William Orbit.

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So I'm not saying it's a fact but it's highly likely...

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Reply #29 posted 07/02/18 5:53am

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dodger said:

I don't know of any conclusive proof but what we do know is:

S'Express Theme starts off with Moore saying 'enjoy this trip, and it is a trip'

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Actually that's Chilo Harlo.

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