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Reply #270 posted 07/08/18 5:04pm

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If Vic Anesini handles the remastering, these news are definitely worth rejoicing. His albums need to be listened to in pristine condition & it’s long overdue.
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Reply #271 posted 07/09/18 2:20pm

Kares

Hamad said:

If Vic Anesini handles the remastering, these news are definitely worth rejoicing. His albums need to be listened to in pristine condition & it’s long overdue.

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There's no news about any remastering, I'm afraid.

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Also, no remastering process would be able to turn the brickwalled, distorted masters of his later period (including The Rainbow Children, for example) into pristine sounding masters. That would require going back to the multitrack and recreating the mixes – something neither the Estate nor any record company would be keen spending on.

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Reply #272 posted 07/09/18 2:57pm

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Kares said:

Hamad said:

If Vic Anesini handles the remastering, these news are definitely worth rejoicing. His albums need to be listened to in pristine condition & it’s long overdue.

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There's no news about any remastering, I'm afraid.

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Also, no remastering process would be able to turn the brickwalled, distorted masters of his later period (including The Rainbow Children, for example) into pristine sounding masters. That would require going back to the multitrack and recreating the mixes – something neither the Estate nor any record company would be keen spending on.

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The Iron Mountain facilty can handle that. Which is where ALL of Prince's post WBR music are at now from his Vault of thousands.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #273 posted 07/09/18 3:04pm

Kares

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Kares said:

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There's no news about any remastering, I'm afraid.

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Also, no remastering process would be able to turn the brickwalled, distorted masters of his later period (including The Rainbow Children, for example) into pristine sounding masters. That would require going back to the multitrack and recreating the mixes – something neither the Estate nor any record company would be keen spending on.

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The Iron Mountain facilty can handle that. Which is where ALL of Prince's post WBR music are at now from his Vault of thousands.

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You don't seem to understand what remastering is. It will not and cannot make a brickwalled, distorted master pristine and clean.

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Reply #274 posted 07/09/18 4:15pm

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Kares said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

The Iron Mountain facilty can handle that. Which is where ALL of Prince's post WBR music are at now from his Vault of thousands.

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You don't seem to understand what remastering is. It will not and cannot make a brickwalled, distorted master pristine and clean.

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Yes Iron Mountain can! If they can save the already water damaged/rotted tapes that had already been stored for years in the PP vault. They can do anything.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #275 posted 07/09/18 4:21pm

Kares

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Kares said:

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You don't seem to understand what remastering is. It will not and cannot make a brickwalled, distorted master pristine and clean.

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Yes Iron Mountain can! If they can save the already water damaged/rotted tapes that had already been stored for years in the PP vault. They can do anything.

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whatever... biggrin

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Reply #276 posted 07/09/18 5:59pm

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In theory there would be an initial final mix that would have been sent off to be mastered .. as in .. brickwalled into oblivion .. it is likely those final mixes exist and would be unmastered and you would hear what the actual instruments sounded like before tha massive compression designed for teeny tiny earbuds and i phone speakers ... i dont think any one in charge over there is gonna start the unmastered revolution .. most every remaster i hear is awful and everything past the 90s doesnt even sound like music anymore it is all so compressed from the get go

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Reply #277 posted 07/10/18 5:49pm

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Too late to ask to stop jumping the gun, eh? Oh well.
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Reply #278 posted 07/11/18 7:49am

JorisE73

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Kares said:

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You don't seem to understand what remastering is. It will not and cannot make a brickwalled, distorted master pristine and clean.

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Yes Iron Mountain can! If they can save the already water damaged/rotted tapes that had already been stored for years in the PP vault. They can do anything.


I don't think you understand what remastering is lol

it has nothing to do with the physical quality of the tapes.

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Reply #279 posted 07/11/18 9:04am

jjam

TrevorAyer said:

In theory there would be an initial final mix that would have been sent off to be mastered .. as in .. brickwalled into oblivion .. it is likely those final mixes exist and would be unmastered and you would hear what the actual instruments sounded like before tha massive compression designed for teeny tiny earbuds and i phone speakers ... i dont think any one in charge over there is gonna start the unmastered revolution .. most every remaster i hear is awful and everything past the 90s doesnt even sound like music anymore it is all so compressed from the get go

There's no in theory. The final mixes would not have been mastered. I'm sure these will be used as the source for remasters especially if Anesini is overseeing it.

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Reply #280 posted 07/11/18 10:35am

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The ‘in theory’ part refers to the ability of the powers that be to look for and find said final mixes ... considering during the cd revolution some of those cds were sourced from printed comercial cassettes instead of a even a master tape ... then u have wb releasing cassette sourced material instead of from final mix master (not “mastered’) tapes. Those final mix tapes existed at some point but we have yet to see any evidence that anyone is even looking for them ... the piano and mic 83 is a good example of looking in the wrong place for quality source material
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Reply #281 posted 07/11/18 8:10pm

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If the multitracks are still in existence, a new mix can be done as well.
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Reply #282 posted 07/12/18 11:13am

Germanegro

bboy87 said:

If the multitracks are still in existence, a new mix can be done as well.

If those tapes are found, such a project may need to be crowdfunded by the album's fans if nobody else wants to invest in all of the expenses for the task.

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Reply #283 posted 07/12/18 3:10pm

RODSERLING

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If the multitracks are still in existence, a new mix can be done as well.

That s the exact définition for the term "science fiction".
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Reply #284 posted 07/12/18 8:57pm

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Germanegro said:

bboy87 said:

If the multitracks are still in existence, a new mix can be done as well.

If those tapes are found, such a project may need to be crowdfunded by the album's fans if nobody else wants to invest in all of the expenses for the task.

heart

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Who to approach at the Estate/WB/Sony/etc to make this happen?

No risk for them, all the joy for us.

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Reply #285 posted 07/12/18 9:32pm

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RODSERLING said:

bboy87 said:
If the multitracks are still in existence, a new mix can be done as well.
That s the exact définition for the term "science fiction".

Maybe for Prince, but multitracks exist for most artists. They're stored right along with the final masters

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Reply #286 posted 07/13/18 11:26am

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If each album has extended songs and B sides and mixes, then it is worth getting especially from the fans that already have all of those albums.

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Reply #287 posted 07/13/18 4:44pm

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Unless these reissues include previously unreleased songs and remixes, they hold little to no appeal for hardcore fans. I already have all these albums along with all the singles, b-sides and remixes commercially available at the time. And the press release does state 'previously released'.

I'm imagining that The Gold Experience for example, may contain the 'I Hate U' remixes and 'Rock n'Roll is Alive' but little else as none of the other unreleased tracks or remixes from the era were officially released.

I am happy that these albums, many of which are underrated, will be available for those unfamilar.
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Reply #288 posted 07/13/18 4:52pm

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OperatingThetan said:

Unless these reissues include previously unreleased songs and remixes, they hold little to no appeal for hardcore fans. I already have all these albums along with all the singles, b-sides and remixes commercially available at the time. And the press release does state 'previously released'. I'm imagining that The Gold Experience for example, may contain the 'I Hate U' remixes and 'Rock n'Roll is Alive' but little else as none of the other unreleased tracks or remixes from the era were officially released. I am happy that these albums, many of which are underrated, will be available for those unfamilar.

It's a LOT of people that didn't follow Prince & weren't loyal to him(including casual fans). That were ONLY there for the hits and have NO idea he released almost FORTY albums in his short productive life.This is their chance to find out. This deal is for people to rediscover and discover him in a new way. This deal is NOT for diehards.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #289 posted 07/13/18 5:16pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:



OperatingThetan said:


Unless these reissues include previously unreleased songs and remixes, they hold little to no appeal for hardcore fans. I already have all these albums along with all the singles, b-sides and remixes commercially available at the time. And the press release does state 'previously released'. I'm imagining that The Gold Experience for example, may contain the 'I Hate U' remixes and 'Rock n'Roll is Alive' but little else as none of the other unreleased tracks or remixes from the era were officially released. I am happy that these albums, many of which are underrated, will be available for those unfamilar.

It's a LOT of people that didn't follow Prince & weren't loyal to him(including casual fans). That were ONLY there for the hits and have NO idea he released almost FORTY albums in his short productive life.This is their chance to find out. This deal is for people to rediscover and discover him in a new way. This deal is NOT for diehards.



Thus my closing comment that I'm happy that these albums, many of which are underrated, will be available for those unfamiliar.
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Reply #290 posted 07/15/18 6:17am

Kares

TrevorAyer said:

The ‘in theory’ part refers to the ability of the powers that be to look for and find said final mixes ... considering during the cd revolution some of those cds were sourced from printed comercial cassettes instead of a even a master tape ... then u have wb releasing cassette sourced material instead of from final mix master (not “mastered’) tapes. Those final mix tapes existed at some point but we have yet to see any evidence that anyone is even looking for them ... the piano and mic 83 is a good example of looking in the wrong place for quality source material

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Oh man, where do I even start...
"some of those cds were sourced from printed comercial cassettes instead of a even a master tape" – obviously not, I've no idea where you got this nonsense from... What is a "printed commercial cassette" anyway? smile Cassette tapes weren't "printed", they were duplicated on professional, high-speed dubbing machines that held huge reels of tape and they automatically cut and fed the tapes into the empty cassettes. And they were dubbed from master tape, of course, to be more precise: from a 'production master' that was made from the album master.

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And there are several different types of master tapes, as I've explained several times before on the org so I won't start again as it seems there's no point... The term 'mastering' can also mean several different kinds of processes.
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"wb releasing cassette sourced material instead of from final mix master (not “mastered’) tapes" – again, a sentence that makes no sense because you don't understand what mastering means. WB has released most Prince outtakes in the past two years from cassette copies of masters but the issue here is not that they weren't 'mastered' (of course they were), it is that they were copied onto low quality cassettes and WB should've waited to get access to the professional tapes from the vault instead of putting out cassette-sourced copies on CD.
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The Piano and Mic 83 material has never been professionally recorded so if that what they were looking for they were indeed looking for it at the right place, amongst the cassettes – but I agree that they made the wrong choice in putting that out now on its own.
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Reply #291 posted 07/15/18 6:33am

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Sigh...

The cassette is the master.

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What people are looking for is wider tape with higher speed (IPS) to get better signal quality.

But the only thing WB sees is money.

Not even a decent explanation, discussion or whatsoever.

And thus, as remarked, no patience.

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Reply #292 posted 07/15/18 6:41am

Kares

udo said:

Sigh...

The cassette is the master.

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What people are looking for is wider tape with higher speed (IPS) to get better signal quality.

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The cassette is not a master – it is just used (in this case) as the source to create a master.

And there's MUCH more to professional tape recording than simply having a bigger tape surface area per second.

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Reply #293 posted 07/15/18 8:25am

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Does this enclose NPG Music club realeases. Crystal Ball, Kamasutra, tracks like Glasscutter on an album of unofficially release material. I think whatever is release need a true marketing campaign beyond Prince’s base.
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Reply #294 posted 07/16/18 3:07am

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OperatingThetan said:

Unless these reissues include previously unreleased songs and remixes, they hold little to no appeal for hardcore fans. I already have all these albums along with all the singles, b-sides and remixes commercially available at the time. And the press release does state 'previously released'. I'm imagining that The Gold Experience for example, may contain the 'I Hate U' remixes and 'Rock n'Roll is Alive' but little else as none of the other unreleased tracks or remixes from the era were officially released. I am happy that these albums, many of which are underrated, will be available for those unfamilar.

Like you, I have all these albums, like most of us here.

But still, I could use a couple of 'replacements'

Some of my cds have 'battle scars' from 20+ years of service wink

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Reply #295 posted 07/16/18 4:06am

udo

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Kares said:

udo said:

Sigh...

The cassette is the master.

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What people are looking for is wider tape with higher speed (IPS) to get better signal quality.

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The cassette is not a master – it is just used (in this case) as the source to create a master.

And there's MUCH more to professional tape recording than simply having a bigger tape surface area per second.

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The first tape where a sound is recorded on is the master. It is the source for all copies.

Then a mixdown might occur. (not relevant for a stereo cassette)

The mixdown might be called the new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

As the mixdown phase is not relevant for a cassette only some mastering will be applied to the massette thus creating a new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

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Reply #296 posted 07/16/18 9:27am

Kares

udo said:

Kares said:

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The cassette is not a master – it is just used (in this case) as the source to create a master.

And there's MUCH more to professional tape recording than simply having a bigger tape surface area per second.

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The first tape where a sound is recorded on is the master. It is the source for all copies.

Then a mixdown might occur. (not relevant for a stereo cassette)

The mixdown might be called the new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

As the mixdown phase is not relevant for a cassette only some mastering will be applied to the massette thus creating a new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

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Wrong, but nevermind.
(I'm actually a mastering engineer, btw, but apparently so is every other person on the org... smile )

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Reply #297 posted 07/16/18 10:08am

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Kares said:

udo said:

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The first tape where a sound is recorded on is the master. It is the source for all copies.

Then a mixdown might occur. (not relevant for a stereo cassette)

The mixdown might be called the new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

As the mixdown phase is not relevant for a cassette only some mastering will be applied to the massette thus creating a new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

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Wrong, but nevermind.
(I'm actually a mastering engineer, btw, but apparently so is every other person on the org... smile )

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it used to be, in the late 90s, if you owned 3 or more prince albums,
you could send away for a certificate and you'd be an official (with
gold stars) mastering engineer. that's why there's so many on here.


smile

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Reply #298 posted 07/17/18 3:42am

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udo said:

Kares said:

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The cassette is not a master – it is just used (in this case) as the source to create a master.

And there's MUCH more to professional tape recording than simply having a bigger tape surface area per second.

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The first tape where a sound is recorded on is the master. It is the source for all copies.

Then a mixdown might occur. (not relevant for a stereo cassette)

The mixdown might be called the new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

As the mixdown phase is not relevant for a cassette only some mastering will be applied to the massette thus creating a new master because it will be used for duplication, etc.

I thought there was only one New Master..... wink

1999 the new master

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Reply #299 posted 07/17/18 3:49am

udo

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Kares said:

Wrong, but nevermind.

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Anybody care to elaborate, please?

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