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Reply #90 posted 06/27/18 3:20pm

IstenSzek

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

motherfunka said:

The press release states:

In addition to the album titles from the 1995-2010 era, the agreement also includes rights to other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.

I would take that to mean all the items listed we have heard or seen before.

I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??


'funk', 's.s.t', 'song of the heart', 'purple house', 'one song', 'cybersingle', 'glasscutter',
'cause and effect' and probably the npgmc tracks and the 3rdeyestore tracks etc.

i wouldn't get my hopes up for unreleased material because if they had the rights to it
they would have mentioned it.

just trying to not get excited again.

seems like they are working at getting all his official album and song releases together
on the streaming platforms, which is a pretty great thing.

but if that's all this is, i don't see the point of a recordcompany getting involved or why
they would pay for distribution of the albums if they're not going to be expanded sets.

non fans and casual listeners will now listen to that material on streaming sites. they did
not care for or buy the material first time round, they will not buy it now.

so the only way to make money off re-releases would be to actually add concent to them,
no?

but everything about the whole estate seems illogical. so who knows.

i'm just hoping that warners is working on their remastered boxsets behind the scenes as
they only have 2 more years to shoot their final load.

they can't just let that deadline approach and not cash in. they're going through the vault
and what company in their right mind would NOT release all those outtakes that they still
have the right to release now? even if it was just one shoddily assembled mega set of 30
discs with little or no work done on it, they would still make cash.

so they're coming with something, they must be.

correction: WE need them to be.

urgh. it's just a waiting game. and it just got a whole lot more frustrating because WB will
first be releasing the P&M83 'album', which makes you question if they are even in their
right mind.


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Reply #91 posted 06/27/18 3:25pm

IstenSzek

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also, tidal has that 'new prince album' coming up. so what's that then?

that is a part of the vault that is exempt from this new deal?

or does tidal just get the 1st week exclusive streaming rights and the
physical release will be handled by sony?

but that would be a brand new album, and this deal is for 35 albums
that have been previously released.

questions questions.

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Reply #92 posted 06/27/18 3:26pm

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I guess I’d re-buy anything remastered, and vinyl I missed out on or that didn’t happen. I certainly wouldn’t waste money on re-issues with no bonus tracks though.
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Reply #93 posted 06/27/18 3:39pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

IstenSzek said:


surely the estate already owns ALL the master recordings under the new deal that prince made
with WB. at this moment WB just has exclusive licensing/distrubution up until 2021 for all of the
WB albums. except for PR, Parade, Batman and GB, which they own forever.

or did i not get a memo?


[Edited 6/27/18 12:26pm]

4U IS NOT included in this new Sony deal.


Where did you get that from?

Every report says the 12 locked albums to be released from 2021 run from 1978 to 1996, and there is only one 1978 album.

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Reply #94 posted 06/27/18 3:48pm

IstenSzek

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I guess I’d re-buy anything remastered, and vinyl I missed out on or that didn’t happen. I certainly wouldn’t waste money on re-issues with no bonus tracks though.


same here. plus, nothing beyond 2000 really needs a remaster, does it?

i'm not sure emancipation or rave even need one. they sound just fine to me.


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Reply #95 posted 06/27/18 3:56pm

GTsymbolover

Emancipation on vinyl, yes please!!
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Reply #96 posted 06/27/18 4:12pm

IstenSzek

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GTsymbolover said:

Emancipation on vinyl, yes please!!


but will each side be exactly 20:20 minutes? lol


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Reply #97 posted 06/27/18 4:19pm

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anywho. when all is said and done, someone better release 'good dick & a job' nod smile

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Reply #98 posted 06/27/18 4:38pm

mbdtyler

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motherfunka said:

Oh yay, 35 albums I already own. Maybe one day we'll get something worth discussing.



Agreed on this. I don't know why I should get excited about the re-release of stuff I already own.

Not exciting for you and most long-time fans, maybe, but at least this is a step towards making all of Prince's music accessible to newer generations and fans who don't own these albums anymore. I became a fan in 2016 and I've spent the entirety of the last two years slowly working through his 80's discography, but this will make it easier for me to dive into his 90's and 00's albums.

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Reply #99 posted 06/27/18 5:28pm

Strive

Yeah, alot of new fans were asking where they could listen is his later albums and bitching about the inflated prices of the used market.

Anything that helps slept on albums like The Gold Experience, The Rainbow Children and One Nite Alone get a wider audience is a good thing.
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Reply #100 posted 06/27/18 5:33pm

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IstenSzek said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


I guess I’d re-buy anything remastered, and vinyl I missed out on or that didn’t happen. I certainly wouldn’t waste money on re-issues with no bonus tracks though.


same here. plus, nothing beyond 2000 really needs a remaster, does it?

i'm not sure emancipation or rave even need one. they sound just fine to me.




I suppose not. Though, according to some, everything since TGE has been brickwalled. Does an album with all of the levels maxed out need to be remastered, or demastered.
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Reply #101 posted 06/27/18 5:34pm

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Silvertongue7 said:

djThunderfunk said:

Piano & Microphone 83 may not excite many, but it's more interesting to me than offering to sell me albums I already own, most on multiple formats, again.

I'll be the first in line for the albums that never got a physical release.

I'll buy LPs of albums that never got a vinyl release.

I'll buy "expanded" & "deluxe" albums with previously unreleased music and/or which collect singles and b-sides.

I'm not excited for "remasters". The originals may need an update, but, if it's a brickwalling like Purple Rain got, no thanks, I'll stick with the originals. (I'll never play Purple Rain Deluxe CD1 ever again!)

If anything, I would prefer to buy some "unmastered" albums from the last 20 years or so. They're all brickwalled and sound horrible.

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

I might buy reissues if they come in jewel cases and the original was a digi-pack, but then, it's likely to go the other way.

So, yeah, maybe I'll buy all of the reissues, and maybe I'll buy none of them. That's up to Sony and the Estate I guess.

For sure I'll keep buying every "vault" release, even if it's an illogical choice like P&M83.

If you want Lovesexy tracked, have you thought of buying the European version? I’m sure shipping to the US won’t be very expensive - I’ve bought CDs from the US and it’s never been a huge amount, I guess it will be similar the other way round.


I tracked it myself in SoundForge. That's good enough that I won't go to the effort to import or pay shipping. If I see a tracked copy in a store however, I'll probably pick it up.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #102 posted 06/27/18 5:36pm

IstenSzek

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

IstenSzek said:


same here. plus, nothing beyond 2000 really needs a remaster, does it?

i'm not sure emancipation or rave even need one. they sound just fine to me.


I suppose not. Though, according to some, everything since TGE has been brickwalled. Does an album with all of the levels maxed out need to be remastered, or demastered.


lol

coming soon on sony records, deluxe demastered and expanded editions of emancipation and rave lol

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Reply #103 posted 06/27/18 5:44pm

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IstenSzek said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


IstenSzek said:



same here. plus, nothing beyond 2000 really needs a remaster, does it?

i'm not sure emancipation or rave even need one. they sound just fine to me.




I suppose not. Though, according to some, everything since TGE has been brickwalled. Does an album with all of the levels maxed out need to be remastered, or demastered.


lol

coming soon on sony records, deluxe demastered and expanded editions of emancipation and rave lol



Expanded or reduced?? lol

Maybe we’ll finally get our 1 disc Emancipation. But what would be on it?? I wonder if there are any threads on the matter? shrug innocent
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Reply #104 posted 06/27/18 5:49pm

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Strive said:

Yeah, alot of new fans were asking where they could listen is his later albums and bitching about the inflated prices of the used market. Anything that helps slept on albums like The Gold Experience, The Rainbow Children and One Nite Alone get a wider audience is a good thing.

prince

[Edited 6/27/18 18:58pm]

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #105 posted 06/27/18 6:01pm

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

motherfunka said:

The press release states:

In addition to the album titles from the 1995-2010 era, the agreement also includes rights to other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.

I would take that to mean all the items listed we have heard or seen before.

I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??

There are singles like "U Make My Sunshine", "Supercute", "The Daisy Chain", "SST", "Free Urself", etc., downloads like "One Song" and "Cybersingle" and a ton of 3rdEyeGirl stuff, streaming only stuff like "Same Page Different Book", and soundtrack songs like "The Song of the Heart" among others. It became hard to keep track of it all toward the end, so it would be nice to have all of these offshoots collected and physically available.

Feel free to join in the Prince Song Poll 2016! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince songs, as decided by you!
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Reply #106 posted 06/27/18 6:14pm

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Moonbeam said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

motherfunka said: I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??

There are singles like "U Make My Sunshine", "Supercute", "The Daisy Chain", "SST", "Free Urself", etc., downloads like "One Song" and "Cybersingle" and a ton of 3rdEyeGirl stuff, streaming only stuff like "Same Page Different Book", and soundtrack songs like "The Song of the Heart" among others. It became hard to keep track of it all toward the end, so it would be nice to have all of these offshoots collected and physically available.

I did, see my website (link below).

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
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Reply #107 posted 06/27/18 6:15pm

databank

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jdcxc said:

Kares said:

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Sony Legacy has done an amazing job with many great catalogs, including Miles Davis's and Herbie Hancock's, for example. Also, Sony is doing a similarly excellent job with the Bob Dylan catalog under the Columbia label. So the general negativity is childish and ignorant.
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Thanks for the positivity. It would appear to be a natural fit for Sony to add the Paisley Park label catalog and Prince-produced albums (The Time, Madhouse, Sheila, V6) at a later date.

Some of those are still, and are likely to remain, WB property (The Time, the 6's and Sheila in particular).

Most of the other Paisley Park label releases belong to the estate, though.

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Reply #108 posted 06/27/18 6:46pm

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databank said:

Moonbeam said:

There are singles like "U Make My Sunshine", "Supercute", "The Daisy Chain", "SST", "Free Urself", etc., downloads like "One Song" and "Cybersingle" and a ton of 3rdEyeGirl stuff, streaming only stuff like "Same Page Different Book", and soundtrack songs like "The Song of the Heart" among others. It became hard to keep track of it all toward the end, so it would be nice to have all of these offshoots collected and physically available.

I did, see my website (link below).

Yes, I have seen your very helpful website. Thank you for putting it together!

Feel free to join in the Prince Song Poll 2016! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince songs, as decided by you!
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Reply #109 posted 06/27/18 7:39pm

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Moonbeam said:

databank said:

I did, see my website (link below).

Yes, I have seen your very helpful website. Thank you for putting it together!

hug

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Reply #110 posted 06/27/18 11:12pm

jjam

databank said:



jdcxc said:


Kares said:


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Sony Legacy has done an amazing job with many great catalogs, including Miles Davis's and Herbie Hancock's, for example. Also, Sony is doing a similarly excellent job with the Bob Dylan catalog under the Columbia label. So the general negativity is childish and ignorant.
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Thanks for the positivity. It would appear to be a natural fit for Sony to add the Paisley Park label catalog and Prince-produced albums (The Time, Madhouse, Sheila, V6) at a later date.

Some of those are still, and are likely to remain, WB property (The Time, the 6's and Sheila in particular).


Most of the other Paisley Park label releases belong to the estate, though.


Another forum member Mintchip has mentioned the following in the Associated Artists forum re the recent usage of Vanity 6's "Nasty Girl" on TV - Interesting credit on Rupaul's Drag Race: "Courtesy of the Prince Estate".
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Reply #111 posted 06/27/18 11:22pm

RODSERLING

They won t re release physically the post 1995 albums. And surely not with the B-sides or vidéo like I read here! Some people are Funny.

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This is a dematerialised-only deal. And I don t see the point of it, unless they cancel the Tidal deal.
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Sony won the deal because Warner and Universal weren t interested at all.
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Reply #112 posted 06/28/18 3:31am

jgarde

I just sold my copy of Rave IN2 the Joy Fantastic on discogs to someone from Sony New York. Make of that what you will.

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Reply #113 posted 06/28/18 4:50am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

IstenSzek said:


lol

coming soon on sony records, deluxe demastered and expanded editions of emancipation and rave lol

Expanded or reduced?? lol Maybe we’ll finally get our 1 disc Emancipation. But what would be on it?? I wonder if there are any threads on the matter? shrug innocent


perhaps someone should start a survey hmmm

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Reply #114 posted 06/28/18 5:47am

luvparade

Moonbeam said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

motherfunka said: I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??

There are singles like "U Make My Sunshine", "Supercute", "The Daisy Chain", "SST", "Free Urself", etc., downloads like "One Song" and "Cybersingle" and a ton of 3rdEyeGirl stuff, streaming only stuff like "Same Page Different Book", and soundtrack songs like "The Song of the Heart" among others. It became hard to keep track of it all toward the end, so it would be nice to have all of these offshoots collected and physically available.

yes cool also like "That Girl Thang"

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Reply #115 posted 06/28/18 6:10am

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AhPook said:

That's great!

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Why?

Please elaborate.

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Reply #116 posted 06/28/18 6:12am

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djThunderfunk said:

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

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You do not own a tracked Lovesexy yet? eek

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Reply #117 posted 06/28/18 6:48am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

jjam said:

Maybe Sony can get rid of the awful album version of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World and replace it with the EP version. I don't quite know what Prince was thinking including that mix on the album.

Awful to U.... disbelief

Yeah, I have no problem with that version.

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Reply #118 posted 06/28/18 6:49am

leecaldon

jdcxc said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:
I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??
Isn’t “non-album tracks” the same as “B sides”? Didn’t the term B-sides end in the 90s?

Musicology had 'virtual' b-sides.

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Reply #119 posted 06/28/18 7:10am

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It seems that Prince's stuff will be all over the place coming from different labels, also I think Sony will handle physical releases, though there really arent any stores now, and the demand on physical cd's from the era when mainstream forgot Prince, what is the real point UNLESS you are remastering and packaging but that is going to cost $$$, we have to remember that even the more popular 1995- stuff like Emancipation, Musicology, 3121 etc...are still not going to be major sellers by any means even if remasterd and packaged, by study, re-issues sell less than 1% of what the original sold, so as Prince would say "Do the math"


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