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Thread started 06/23/18 1:12pm

RogerRoger

The Gold Experience album (spotify?)

This album is very overlooked.

Is it because it was released as NPG (slave period) and not Prince himself officially?

If you follow that logic then Prince & The Revolution is not Prince either.

I think it's a mistake not to include it on his albums on spotify etc. today.

[Edited 6/23/18 13:16pm]

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Reply #1 posted 06/23/18 1:53pm

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It's overlooked because it had prince's biggest hit of the decade on it, but was released more than a year later. That's enough time to make everybody, including die hard fans like me lose interest.
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Reply #2 posted 06/23/18 2:50pm

SoulAlive

If it appears that this album was overlooked,I think it's because of the feud that Prince was having with Warners at the time.There was so much bitterness and anger between both sides,and it affected the marketing and promotion of the album.Under different circumstances,this album could have had 4 or 5 hit singles and sold millions.

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Reply #3 posted 06/23/18 3:13pm

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It is my favorite 90s album. I do not think it is overlooked. I do think people poo poo it sometimes because it's very digital sounding and crisp.

I've long said, and still stand by it, that it's the Purple Rain of the 90s. While it has more songs on it, there are many, many similarities in the songs. The only song I don't care for, and actually never ripped to my hard drive, is "Shy". I reworked the segues on either side so it blended seamlessly.

Let's Go Crazy - Endorphinmachine (rock opening song)

Take Me With U - We March (the duet)

The Beautiful Ones - TMBGITW/Shhh (the love song)

Computer Blue - Dolphin (the struggle)

Darling Nikki - 319 (the raunchy tirade)

When Doves Cry - I Hate U (the fight for love)

Baby I'm A Star - Now (the bragging banger)

Purple Rain - Gold (power ballad anthem)

The music of COME and TGE is so rich and textured, and intricate, and interesting that it beats otherwise great albums like Diamonds and Pearls, prince, or Graffiti Bridge. It was one of his most commercial and viable albums since D&P, in my opinion. D&P had a radio-friendly appeal to many of the songs, whereas prince delved more into R&B again (despite a couple of rock numbers on it). That limits top 40 radio sometimes, (especially in 1992 where they still weren't playing Mariah Carey songs if they had a rap in them).

I'd agree that the WB battle aside, there were many great singles waiting to be released. Some were, but again, WB purposely dragged their feet with this album. "Now" was screaming for an urban mix and a club mix by the likes of Frankie or Junior.

This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
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Reply #4 posted 06/23/18 3:47pm

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It's a truly great album from a highly exciting period in Prince's career (93-95).

If the album had not been delayed by a year with disputes it would've been a massive hit, propelled as it was by TMBGITW and Dolphin, which was receiving heavy airplay.

The postponment in release negatively impacted the rest of his career. He was truly revitalised and making brilliant, inspired new material but the momentum (and potential level of commercial success) was lost.
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Reply #5 posted 06/23/18 5:25pm

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And what about it still missing on spotify etc.?
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Reply #6 posted 06/23/18 7:22pm

SoulAlive

OperatingThetan said:

If the album had not been delayed by a year with disputes it would've been a massive hit,

nod I have always believed that this album should have been released in the summer of 1994.It would have been a big seller,especially coming on the heels off TMBGITW.

[Edited 6/23/18 19:24pm]

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Reply #7 posted 06/23/18 7:29pm

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It’s not really overlooked, it’s disliked because it’s cheesy.
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Reply #8 posted 06/24/18 12:12am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

It’s not really overlooked, it’s disliked because it’s cheesy.

The song gold was cheesy imo especially that keyboard line but the album as a whole was one of my favorites of the era. I remember going to see meshell ndgecello & before she went on they played a promo for the beautiful experience. I don't think it was the whole special but I distinctively remember the days of wild sequence with him in the car with the top down, this was a yr before the release of TGE. He was looking for ways to build up hype & pressure the label.I saw him perform songs off of it at glam slam la & he was surprised alot of us knew the words to alot of the songs courtesy of bootlegs of course.
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Reply #9 posted 06/24/18 2:21am

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Farfunknugin said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

It’s not really overlooked, it’s disliked because it’s cheesy.

The song gold was cheesy imo especially that keyboard line but the album as a whole was one of my favorites of the era. I remember going to see meshell ndgecello & before she went on they played a promo for the beautiful experience. I don't think it was the whole special but I distinctively remember the days of wild sequence with him in the car with the top down, this was a yr before the release of TGE. He was looking for ways to build up hype & pressure the label.I saw him perform songs off of it at glam slam la & he was surprised alot of us knew the words to alot of the songs courtesy of bootlegs of course.


For me this was the era where he looked and acted like he was drugged out and the quality of his music had taken a dramatic decline musically and lyrically. He was acting increasingly erratic in the same way drug abusers do. There is good reason why 90’s Prince is glossed over by critics and consumers alike.

When he turned to Larry Graham I believe it was because he needed help in the way most drug users who hit rock bottom turn to religion for help. And it was probably what saved him at the time because he quickly had a renaissance in the 2000’s looking and sounding far better afterwards than he had in a long time.
I’m sure it will come out eventually that he was heavily abusing drugs at the time.
[Edited 6/24/18 20:22pm]
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Reply #10 posted 06/24/18 4:36am

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93-95 was a good era with lots of great songs, but imo 90-92 had stronger songs like The Question of U, Thieves in the temple, And god created woman, My name is Prince, Insatiable, Gett Off etc. Prince also had a better look and seemed less weird in 90-92. But my favorite album from the 93-95 era is Come.
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Reply #11 posted 06/24/18 5:02am

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Oh most albums are overlooked when your catalogue is as big as his. Being put of print for decades and unavailable to stream hardly help matters but the same can be said for most of his independent releases.
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Reply #12 posted 06/25/18 5:33am

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whatever, it was a great time with an overall great album. besides some great songs like TMBGITW, Dolphin and i hate u - the sound qualtity was better than most of the records at this time. i remember driving around with a professional soundenginer in his car at this time (a friend of friend and not a prince fan) and he was also blown away of the sound of the record and pumped it over his car-stereo all the time.

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Reply #13 posted 06/25/18 6:22am

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It's a shame that his best album after the 80s is so difficult for anyone to find.
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Reply #14 posted 06/25/18 11:44am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Farfunknugin said:


The song gold was cheesy imo especially that keyboard line but the album as a whole was one of my favorites of the era. I remember going to see meshell ndgecello & before she went on they played a promo for the beautiful experience. I don't think it was the whole special but I distinctively remember the days of wild sequence with him in the car with the top down, this was a yr before the release of TGE. He was looking for ways to build up hype & pressure the label.I saw him perform songs off of it at glam slam la & he was surprised alot of us knew the words to alot of the songs courtesy of bootlegs of course.


For me this was the era where he looked and acted like he was drugged out and the quality of his music had taken a dramatic decline musically and lyrically. He was acting increasingly erratic in the same way drug abusers do. There is good reason why 90’s Prince is glossed over by critics and consumers alike.

When he turned to Larry Graham I believe it was because he needed help in the way most drug users who hit rock bottom turn to religion for help. And it was probably what saved him at the time because he quickly had a renaissance in the 2000’s looking and sounding far better afterwards than he had in a long time.
I’m sure it will come out eventually that he was heavily abusing drugs at the time.
[Edited 6/24/18 20:22pm]

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Reply #15 posted 06/25/18 12:40pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Farfunknugin said:


The song gold was cheesy imo especially that keyboard line but the album as a whole was one of my favorites of the era. I remember going to see meshell ndgecello & before she went on they played a promo for the beautiful experience. I don't think it was the whole special but I distinctively remember the days of wild sequence with him in the car with the top down, this was a yr before the release of TGE. He was looking for ways to build up hype & pressure the label.I saw him perform songs off of it at glam slam la & he was surprised alot of us knew the words to alot of the songs courtesy of bootlegs of course.


For me this was the era where he looked and acted like he was drugged out and the quality of his music had taken a dramatic decline musically and lyrically. He was acting increasingly erratic in the same way drug abusers do. There is good reason why 90’s Prince is glossed over by critics and consumers alike.

When he turned to Larry Graham I believe it was because he needed help in the way most drug users who hit rock bottom turn to religion for help. And it was probably what saved him at the time because he quickly had a renaissance in the 2000’s looking and sounding far better afterwards than he had in a long time.
I’m sure it will come out eventually that he was heavily abusing drugs at the time.
[Edited 6/24/18 20:22pm]


What you equate to drugs I equate to creative daring. 92-95 remains my favourite period in Prince's career. He was genuinely revitalised and making great new music. There was a sense of excitement and provocation that was not replicated thereafter. And I couldn't disagree more that the quality of music suffered - in my estimation, and those of many fans, it remains among his best work.

Prince met Larry Graham in 97. Larry helped Prince recover from the death of his son. I doubt drugs really came into it. Prince didn't return to commercial resurgence until 2004 and that had nothing to do with Larry Graham at all.
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Reply #16 posted 06/25/18 12:57pm

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rogifan said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:



For me this was the era where he looked and acted like he was drugged out and the quality of his music had taken a dramatic decline musically and lyrically. He was acting increasingly erratic in the same way drug abusers do. There is good reason why 90’s Prince is glossed over by critics and consumers alike.

When he turned to Larry Graham I believe it was because he needed help in the way most drug users who hit rock bottom turn to religion for help. And it was probably what saved him at the time because he quickly had a renaissance in the 2000’s looking and sounding far better afterwards than he had in a long time.
I’m sure it will come out eventually that he was heavily abusing drugs at the time.
[Edited 6/24/18 20:22pm]

And Mayte didn’t put this in her book because?


She mentioned him going to the hospital to get his stomach pumped after taking pills
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Reply #17 posted 06/25/18 12:59pm

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OperatingThetan said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:



For me this was the era where he looked and acted like he was drugged out and the quality of his music had taken a dramatic decline musically and lyrically. He was acting increasingly erratic in the same way drug abusers do. There is good reason why 90’s Prince is glossed over by critics and consumers alike.

When he turned to Larry Graham I believe it was because he needed help in the way most drug users who hit rock bottom turn to religion for help. And it was probably what saved him at the time because he quickly had a renaissance in the 2000’s looking and sounding far better afterwards than he had in a long time.
I’m sure it will come out eventually that he was heavily abusing drugs at the time.
[Edited 6/24/18 20:22pm]


What you equate to drugs I equate to creative daring. 92-95 remains my favourite period in Prince's career. He was genuinely revitalised and making great new music. There was a sense of excitement and provocation that was not replicated thereafter. And I couldn't disagree more that the quality of music suffered - in my estimation, and those of many fans, it remains among his best work.

Prince met Larry Graham in 97. Larry helped Prince recover from the death of his son. I doubt drugs really came into it. Prince didn't return to commercial resurgence until 2004 and that had nothing to do with Larry Graham at all.


I consider it mediocre and a dramatic fall in quality. Cheesy and generic.
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Reply #18 posted 06/25/18 1:51pm

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This was the period where he was going the indie route. He totally reinvented his sound & also his approach playing mulitple night stands at small venues like GLAM SLAM . He had that edgey vibe that had been missing since Dirty Mind. Love this period

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Farfunknugin said:

This was the period where he was going the indie route. He totally reinvented his sound & also his approach playing mulitple night stands at small venues like GLAM SLAM . He had that edgey vibe that had been missing since Dirty Mind. Love this period

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Exactly.

It was genuinely exciting to be a part of it. I remain particularly interested in any further unreleased material from the period.
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Reply #20 posted 06/25/18 5:44pm

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Farfunknugin said:

This was the period where he was going the indie route. He totally reinvented his sound & also his approach playing mulitple night stands at small venues like GLAM SLAM . He had that edgey vibe that had been missing since Dirty Mind. Love this period

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Well it didn’t translate to studio albums that’s for sure because they all sounded cheesy and pedestrian as hell
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Reply #21 posted 06/26/18 12:32am

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OperatingThetan said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:
For me this was the era where he looked and acted like he was drugged out and the quality of his music had taken a dramatic decline musically and lyrically. He was acting increasingly erratic in the same way drug abusers do. There is good reason why 90’s Prince is glossed over by critics and consumers alike. When he turned to Larry Graham I believe it was because he needed help in the way most drug users who hit rock bottom turn to religion for help. And it was probably what saved him at the time because he quickly had a renaissance in the 2000’s looking and sounding far better afterwards than he had in a long time. I’m sure it will come out eventually that he was heavily abusing drugs at the time. [Edited 6/24/18 20:22pm]
What you equate to drugs I equate to creative daring. 92-95 remains my favourite period in Prince's career. He was genuinely revitalised and making great new music. There was a sense of excitement and provocation that was not replicated thereafter. And I couldn't disagree more that the quality of music suffered - in my estimation, and those of many fans, it remains among his best work. Prince met Larry Graham in 97. Larry helped Prince recover from the death of his son. I doubt drugs really came into it. Prince didn't return to commercial resurgence until 2004 and that had nothing to do with Larry Graham at all.

Same for me. Amazing time to be a fan back then. So much going on; albums, maxi-singles, videos, tours, boots etc.

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How someone can say the music was pedestrian or generic is shocking to me. Opinons eh

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Reply #22 posted 06/26/18 2:53am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Farfunknugin said:

This was the period where he was going the indie route. He totally reinvented his sound & also his approach playing mulitple night stands at small venues like GLAM SLAM . He had that edgey vibe that had been missing since Dirty Mind. Love this period

[Edited 6/25/18 13:52pm]

Well it didn’t translate to studio albums that’s for sure because they all sounded cheesy and pedestrian as hell

I don't hear it that way at all personally.

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Reply #23 posted 06/26/18 3:13am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Farfunknugin said:

This was the period where he was going the indie route. He totally reinvented his sound & also his approach playing mulitple night stands at small venues like GLAM SLAM . He had that edgey vibe that had been missing since Dirty Mind. Love this period

[Edited 6/25/18 13:52pm]



Well it didn’t translate to studio albums that’s for sure because they all sounded cheesy and pedestrian as hell

I have to agree that the live shows were better than the albums.
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Reply #24 posted 06/26/18 8:01am

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This album is very overlooked.

Is it because it was released as NPG (slave period) and not Prince himself officially?

[Edited 6/23/18 13:16pm]

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it wasnt released as NPG. it was released as prince , nowhere on the cover or spine of the album does it say NPG

the symbol was enough weirdness to keep the casual, and even purple fans, away.

it also didnt help that the delay in releasing it meant he had been promoting it way before it came out but virtually not at all right before or during its release. by the time it came out, with little fanfare, ony the diehards cared.

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I don't know why the estate didn't handle a deal yet with other labels. I hope all his albums get released at some point. His 80s records are masterpieces, but he did pretty good albums after that and people aren't familiar with them. Sadly.

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NorthC said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:



Well it didn’t translate to studio albums that’s for sure because they all sounded cheesy and pedestrian as hell

I have to agree that the live shows were better than the albums.


He was the greatest live performer. Everything he did live sounded amazing.
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Reply #27 posted 06/26/18 4:12pm

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whatever, it was a great time with an overall great album. besides some great songs like TMBGITW, Dolphin and i hate u - the sound qualtity was better than most of the records at this time. i remember driving around with a professional soundenginer in his car at this time (a friend of friend and not a prince fan) and he was also blown away of the sound of the record and pumped it over his car-stereo all the time.


I was amazed at how crystal clear it sounded, especially over a great sound system. Nothing else sounded so good. It's funny because I'm no audiophile so I don't run the schematics and stuff that some people on the org sometimes run that make it sound like the music was distorted or overly loud. It just sounded impeccably clear to me.

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Reply #28 posted 06/27/18 7:53am

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pdiddy2011 said:

trickster said:

whatever, it was a great time with an overall great album. besides some great songs like TMBGITW, Dolphin and i hate u - the sound qualtity was better than most of the records at this time. i remember driving around with a professional soundenginer in his car at this time (a friend of friend and not a prince fan) and he was also blown away of the sound of the record and pumped it over his car-stereo all the time.


I was amazed at how crystal clear it sounded, especially over a great sound system. Nothing else sounded so good. It's funny because I'm no audiophile so I don't run the schematics and stuff that some people on the org sometimes run that make it sound like the music was distorted or overly loud. It just sounded impeccably clear to me.

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it does sounds great, but it is very compressed. these days with the loudness wars, and badly overcompressed albums, vinyl freaks and self proclaimed audiophiles... people like to sound like they know what theyre talking about and as soon as they hear that its loud and compressed they start ranting about it being distorted. or they open it up in their little free downloaded audio program and see a peak somewhere, which more often than not is inaudible. while i do hate that so many albums are over compressed in a bad way these days, it doesnt mean that an album cant be compressed and still sound good.

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