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RODSERLING

Who here didn't buy PR deluxe (and why)?

And what would have made you buy it?
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Reply #1 posted 06/09/18 4:28pm

Ugot2shakesumt
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Spotify
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Reply #2 posted 06/09/18 6:57pm

mynameisnotsus
an

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I heard there was a problem on Erotic City 12" which made me think that there wasn't enough care taken. I'm hoping that would get rectified.
Also I don't really like the Syracuse show which I already have.
I don't have the desire to own everything right away - I'll get it eventually.
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Reply #3 posted 06/09/18 7:10pm

bluegangsta

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Lack of effort/ thought/ research that went into the product.

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
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Reply #4 posted 06/09/18 11:45pm

ShaggyDog

mynameisnotsusan said:



I heard there was a problem on Erotic City 12" which made me think that there wasn't enough care taken.


Do you mean a weird glitch sound right at the start of the track? I thought it was just my copy of it and returned the cd to the shop.
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Reply #5 posted 06/09/18 11:58pm

RODSERLING

ShaggyDog said:

mynameisnotsusan said:



I heard there was a problem on Erotic City 12" which made me think that there wasn't enough care taken.


Do you mean a weird glitch sound right at the start of the track? I thought it was just my copy of it and returned the cd to the shop.

Did they give you another copy or juste refund you?
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Reply #6 posted 06/10/18 12:15am

mediumdry

I did buy it. Ripped it and then gifted it. (after reading the booklet)

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I don't think it's a bad set, but I'm not sure what I'm paying for now that Prince is dead. He paid the people that worked with him on those tracks and had the rights. I paid many times over for the stuff that he did release. Money to the estate or WB or Tidal... it's no incentive for Prince to create more works (the purpose of copyright).

.

I understand that the rights owners want to monetize whatever is there, but that simply means they will release the stuff, just with less effort on their behalf.

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So... wether I buy things or not, not buying actually increases the chances of everything that's being digitized now from the vaults being released. If I do buy and pay, they will have their yearly big splash release and they monetize on it in the traditional way.

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If it doesn't sell big, they have an incentive to get a smallish but steady stream of money from the few hardcore fans that keep buying. That means releasing the music with as little work being done from their side as possible. And at a relative quick pace, as there is a set number of sales per release, wether they release one thing or ten things per year.

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I actually would prefer the second scenario.

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Reply #7 posted 06/10/18 1:40am

SanDiegoFunkDa
ddy

never buying it. sound quality is terrible. they brickwalled and stemrolled the sound when they didn't have to

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Reply #8 posted 06/10/18 1:59am

finnik

Haven't bought it.

Why? Maybe because I literally hate even idea of "deluxe" albums. This is the main reason.

Unnecessary album "remaster" of doubtful quality. Maybe Prince aproved it, but it's awful.

Even amazing "We Can Fuck" and good second disk in general won't make me buy it. On the contrary if second disk was a standalone album, I would have bought it at once. Maybe even pre-ordered.

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Reply #9 posted 06/10/18 2:31am

TheFman

didn't.

1- errors on the recordings

2- totally overpriced in my country (up to 5 times what you paid)
3- content wasn't what i expected, but still would have bought it if it wasn't for the other 2 issues.

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Reply #10 posted 06/10/18 4:07am

RODSERLING

mediumdry said:

I did buy it. Ripped it and then gifted it. (after reading the booklet)


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I don't think it's a bad set, but I'm not sure what I'm paying for now that Prince is dead. He paid the people that worked with him on those tracks and had the rights. I paid many times over for the stuff that he did release. Money to the estate or WB or Tidal... it's no incentive for Prince to create more works (the purpose of copyright).


.


I understand that the rights owners want to monetize whatever is there, but that simply means they will release the stuff, just with less effort on their behalf.


.


So... wether I buy things or not, not buying actually increases the chances of everything that's being digitized now from the vaults being released. If I do buy and pay, they will have their yearly big splash release and they monetize on it in the traditional way.


.


If it doesn't sell big, they have an incentive to get a smallish but steady stream of money from the few hardcore fans that keep buying. That means releasing the music with as little work being done from their side as possible. And at a relative quick pace, as there is a set number of sales per release, wether they release one thing or ten things per year.


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I actually would prefer the second scenario.



In fact, not buying it only increased the chance they don t release anything else.
Hence they scrapped the reissues release and try to sell a piano rehearsal. Then they Will try something else, one year later.
If you wanted them to release more material, the logical thing to do was in fact to buy PR deluxe.
[Edited 6/10/18 4:11am]
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Reply #11 posted 06/10/18 6:07am

Se7en

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I didn't plan on buying it (and didn't) - mostly due to it being on Spotify, but also budgetary reasons.

I did get it for my birthday though. I'm OK with the minor glitches (annoying, but the good outweighs the bad). I think the radio edits are a waste of space, IMO.

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Reply #12 posted 06/10/18 1:55pm

ShaggyDog

RODSERLING said:

ShaggyDog said:
Do you mean a weird glitch sound right at the start of the track? I thought it was just my copy of it and returned the cd to the shop.
Did they give you another copy or juste refund you?

When I mentioned it to the guy in the shop he said that he hadn't heard of a problem with that track but gave me another copy to try. The other copy was exactly the same, the note at the very first second of the song sounds glitchy. I just assumed then that every copy would sound like that. Is that correct or did I just get two duff copies?

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Reply #13 posted 06/10/18 7:18pm

Ugot2shakesumt
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I really do not know anyone who “buys” physical media. CD’s are an awful media. Physical media I’d dead. I’ll but t-shirts and other collectibles though. But streaming and digital media is where music is at for the foreseeable future.
Crooked Donnie. Lock him up!
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Reply #14 posted 06/10/18 7:25pm

mbdtyler

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I really do not know anyone who “buys” physical media. CD’s are an awful media. Physical media I’d dead. I’ll but t-shirts and other collectibles though. But streaming and digital media is where music is at for the foreseeable future.

I buy CDs because it's the only other way to listen to music in my car besides AM/FM radio. It's also nice to have a physical backup just in case my laptop goes kaput (although flash drives are useful too, of course).

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Reply #15 posted 06/10/18 9:27pm

coldasice

bluegangsta said:

Lack of effort/ thought/ research that went into the product.


Those songs are not finished...Are you telling me he didn’t put guitar solos in that many songs at that time period. Well we know we have later versions of Dance Electric.
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Reply #16 posted 06/10/18 9:44pm

Ramzoo

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ShaggyDog said:

mynameisnotsusan said:



I heard there was a problem on Erotic City 12" which made me think that there wasn't enough care taken.


Do you mean a weird glitch sound right at the start of the track? I thought it was just my copy of it and returned the cd to the shop.

Yes indeed but not appearing on the japanese version.
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Reply #17 posted 06/10/18 10:37pm

databank

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I really wanted to buy it, but then again...

The Syracuse show wasn't available with the digital editions and I had no interest in purchasing the pysical edition because once ripped it would have ended in the bin.

Then there were too many other problems: glitch on Erotic City, sound drop on Computer Blue, "fanmade" version of Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden, gross mistakes in songs titles and liner notes regarding recording dates, The Dance Electric being a work in progress version instead of the final cut, absence of several edits, absence of the music videos...

That's a lot for a single release nod

So no, I wasn't going to encourage them to do more of that no no no!

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Reply #18 posted 06/11/18 5:34am

OldFriends4Sal
e

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RODSERLING said:

mediumdry said:

I did buy it. Ripped it and then gifted it. (after reading the booklet)

.

I don't think it's a bad set, but I'm not sure what I'm paying for now that Prince is dead. He paid the people that worked with him on those tracks and had the rights. I paid many times over for the stuff that he did release. Money to the estate or WB or Tidal... it's no incentive for Prince to create more works (the purpose of copyright).

.

I understand that the rights owners want to monetize whatever is there, but that simply means they will release the stuff, just with less effort on their behalf.

.

So... wether I buy things or not, not buying actually increases the chances of everything that's being digitized now from the vaults being released. If I do buy and pay, they will have their yearly big splash release and they monetize on it in the traditional way.

.

If it doesn't sell big, they have an incentive to get a smallish but steady stream of money from the few hardcore fans that keep buying. That means releasing the music with as little work being done from their side as possible. And at a relative quick pace, as there is a set number of sales per release, wether they release one thing or ten things per year.

.

I actually would prefer the second scenario.

In fact, not buying it only increased the chance they don t release anything else. Hence they scrapped the reissues release and try to sell a piano rehearsal. Then they Will try something else, one year later. If you wanted them to release more material, the logical thing to do was in fact to buy PR deluxe.

yes yeahthat yes

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Reply #19 posted 06/11/18 8:09am

mediumdry

There is material. Some of it is being digitized as we speak. There is a market for Prince vault stuff. If the market is not big enough to do a lot of marketing, they'll release small stuff, for which they need minimal effort. And they could release often, as the small market is basically the insatiables. There is enough money to be earned still, as there is minimal investment needed. They won't leave the smaller amounts untapped, just because they cannot get the big bucks.. that's not how business works.

.

If you do buy Purple Rain Deluxe, and a lot of people do it, they'll release Deluxe albums for a mass market. That means "not flooding the market" and possibly doing stupid shit like they did with the Michael Jackson tracks, have "hip" artist "finish" the tracks.

.

Either way, stuff will be released, but for us fans, it might work out better if the releases are geared towards a small audience, done by the archivist of the label.

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Reply #20 posted 06/11/18 8:11am

AMERICA1ST

mbdtyler said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I really do not know anyone who “buys” physical media. CD’s are an awful media. Physical media I’d dead. I’ll but t-shirts and other collectibles though. But streaming and digital media is where music is at for the foreseeable future.

I buy CDs because it's the only other way to listen to music in my car besides AM/FM radio. It's also nice to have a physical backup just in case my laptop goes kaput (although flash drives are useful too, of course).

I buy CDs for the same reasons. I am old enough to have appreciated the tactile aspects of a well done release - cover art, liner notes, and packaging. Punk kids miss out on these things that make bring additional enjoyment to the music. I mean who didn't like getting Purple Rain on purple vinyl and a poster inside? Or Controversy with the infamous shower poster? Or 1999 with all the lyrics printed on the dust sleeves and the eyeballs on the labels?

In a time when music videos are not nearly as relevant - or good - as they were in the 80s (MTV doesnt even show them around the clock anymore), an visible and tangible component to the music is being killed off. Physical backups in the form of CDs are still viable and wanted by many.

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Reply #21 posted 06/11/18 8:13am

mediumdry

RODSERLING said:

In fact, not buying it only increased the chance they don t release anything else.

.

Why? You think they won't release stuff if there's only a smaller group that buys it? Look at the plethora of re-issue albums of obscure bands. Even if there is only a small amount of money to be had, they'll still take it. They simply won't make a big show out of it. This P&M'83 would fit perfectly in that scenario. Minimal effort needed to clean up the audio just enough. Slap a few era pictures in a booklet and sell it. They are now trying to see how much they can ask for such albums and how big that market is.

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They tried the big budget release first, seems they are looking at alternatives.

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Reply #22 posted 06/11/18 2:11pm

mynameisnotsus
an

Ramzoo said:

ShaggyDog said:



Do you mean a weird glitch sound right at the start of the track? I thought it was just my copy of it and returned the cd to the shop.

Yes indeed but not appearing on the japanese version.


Good to know thanks
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Reply #23 posted 06/11/18 2:38pm

ColAngus

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i did not .

simply put - i used to buy all the stuff the day it came out . This time - I didnt see the "value " in something I mostly had and the cost was around $40 ? .... i figured like most Prince stuff i can buy it in a bargain bin sometime for $10 ....

I did hear some of it on Spotify ....

the dvd is one reason i was going to ... and i still may ... even though i had it on VHS back in the day ...

Colonel Angus may be smelly. colonel angus may be a little rough . but deep down ... Colonel angus is very sweet.
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Reply #24 posted 06/11/18 4:08pm

RODSERLING

ColAngus said:

i did not .



simply put - i used to buy all the stuff the day it came out . This time - I didnt see the "value " in something I mostly had and the cost was around $40 ? .... i figured like most Prince stuff i can buy it in a bargain bin sometime for $10 ....



I did hear some of it on Spotify ....



the dvd is one reason i was going to ... and i still may ... even though i had it on VHS back in the day ...



The expanded deluxe version with 3cd + 1dvd+ the liner notes from the révolution...the cost was around 20/25 dollars...that was à bargain.
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Reply #25 posted 06/11/18 4:21pm

RODSERLING

mediumdry said:

There is material. Some of it is being digitized as we speak. There is a market for Prince vault stuff. If the market is not big enough to do a lot of marketing, they'll release small stuff, for which they need minimal effort. And they could release often, as the small market is basically the insatiables. There is enough money to be earned still, as there is minimal investment needed. They won't leave the smaller amounts untapped, just because they cannot get the big bucks.. that's not how business works.


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If you do buy Purple Rain Deluxe, and a lot of people do it, they'll release Deluxe albums for a mass market. That means "not flooding the market" and possibly doing stupid shit like they did with the Michael Jackson tracks, have "hip" artist "finish" the tracks.


.


Either way, stuff will be released, but for us fans, it might work out better if the releases are geared towards a small audience, done by the archivist of the label.



It would have been great if they had released every Warner album as an expanded deluxe édition following the PR pattern. If it had sold well, they would have put their ressources on it, and we would have got more than one release à year ( à Big album such as 1999 + à lesser known such as FOR YOU).
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Thanks you guys for being so selfish towards the fan community and Prince musical legacy.
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Nobody cares about the vault being digitized, don t try to make us believe you would buy some subpar tracks only adressed to maybe 1500 hard core fans, when you don t care about good material physically released.
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PR deluxe needed good numbers, not only for others interesting releases to follow, but also to show to the mainstream audience Prince could still be atop of the charts, and So being relevant.
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What a good tribute you gave to your artist
[Edited 6/11/18 16:23pm]
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Reply #26 posted 06/11/18 4:29pm

RODSERLING

mediumdry said:



RODSERLING said:


In fact, not buying it only increased the chance they don t release anything else.

.


Why? You think they won't release stuff if there's only a smaller group that buys it? Look at the plethora of re-issue albums of obscure bands. Even if there is only a small amount of money to be had, they'll still take it. They simply won't make a big show out of it. This P&M'83 would fit perfectly in that scenario. Minimal effort needed to clean up the audio just enough. Slap a few era pictures in a booklet and sell it. They are now trying to see how much they can ask for such albums and how big that market is.


.


They tried the big budget release first, seems they are looking at alternatives.



No they won t release deluxe éditions anymore. They did it with one of the top selling album of all time and even his fans didn t buy it.
.
I predicted this situation last year when the first numbers and sales were annonced. I foresaw the kind of shit you put us in.
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Your obscure bands surely didn t have some millions dollars contract behind those releases. The physical market is dying, it was now or never.
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Reply #27 posted 06/11/18 5:16pm

violetcrush

AMERICA1ST said:

mbdtyler said:

I buy CDs because it's the only other way to listen to music in my car besides AM/FM radio. It's also nice to have a physical backup just in case my laptop goes kaput (although flash drives are useful too, of course).

I buy CDs for the same reasons. I am old enough to have appreciated the tactile aspects of a well done release - cover art, liner notes, and packaging. Punk kids miss out on these things that make bring additional enjoyment to the music. I mean who didn't like getting Purple Rain on purple vinyl and a poster inside? Or Controversy with the infamous shower poster? Or 1999 with all the lyrics printed on the dust sleeves and the eyeballs on the labels?

In a time when music videos are not nearly as relevant - or good - as they were in the 80s (MTV doesnt even show them around the clock anymore), an visible and tangible component to the music is being killed off. Physical backups in the form of CDs are still viable and wanted by many.

Right. I thought vinyl and CD's were making a "comeback" of sorts with regard to popularity.

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Reply #28 posted 06/11/18 5:24pm

OldFriends4Sal
e

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RODSERLING said:

mediumdry said:

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Why? You think they won't release stuff if there's only a smaller group that buys it? Look at the plethora of re-issue albums of obscure bands. Even if there is only a small amount of money to be had, they'll still take it. They simply won't make a big show out of it. This P&M'83 would fit perfectly in that scenario. Minimal effort needed to clean up the audio just enough. Slap a few era pictures in a booklet and sell it. They are now trying to see how much they can ask for such albums and how big that market is.

.

They tried the big budget release first, seems they are looking at alternatives.

No they won t release deluxe éditions anymore. They did it with one of the top selling album of all time and even his fans didn t buy it. . I predicted this situation last year when the first numbers and sales were annonced. I foresaw the kind of shit you put us in. . Your obscure bands surely didn t have some millions dollars contract behind those releases. The physical market is dying, it was now or never. .

U R ON IT today!!

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Reply #29 posted 06/11/18 8:43pm

mediumdry

RODSERLING said:

mediumdry said:

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Why? You think they won't release stuff if there's only a smaller group that buys it? Look at the plethora of re-issue albums of obscure bands. Even if there is only a small amount of money to be had, they'll still take it. They simply won't make a big show out of it. This P&M'83 would fit perfectly in that scenario. Minimal effort needed to clean up the audio just enough. Slap a few era pictures in a booklet and sell it. They are now trying to see how much they can ask for such albums and how big that market is.

.

They tried the big budget release first, seems they are looking at alternatives.

No they won t release deluxe éditions anymore. They did it with one of the top selling album of all time and even his fans didn t buy it. . I predicted this situation last year when the first numbers and sales were annonced. I foresaw the kind of shit you put us in. .

. No need to make it personal. And anyway, I did buy it, but then gifted it. .

Your obscure bands surely didn t have some millions dollars contract behind those releases. The physical market is dying, it was now or never. .

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A company does not leave money on the table. It's all about ROI. The mass market needs to be handled differently from a niche market.

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I don't understand why you think that WB/estate/Tidal will take their ball and go home if they do not sell big numbers. They are not petulant children, but there to make money. So, sure, it might not be lavish deluxe editions that they release, but releases like the P&M'83. Or something filled with tracks from a particular period.

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I am not advocating not buying anything to force niche market marketing, just analyzing. And I might prefer niche market marketing to mass market marketing. Just look at how Michael Jackson sold his product, versus how Prince sold his music. MJ did mass marketing, milking every release for years to get the highest sales numbers possible. Prince did a new album every year, plus side projects. Especially the side projects were niche market materials.

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What logic do you have for saying nothing is going to be released anymore, physical or otherwise? You seem to think that WB/estate does not want to squeeze the market, whatever it is, for whatever money they can get. Where is your reasoning? You seem to be saying that there will be nothing released if there is not a big market. I think that reasoning is delusional. Unless the only worthwhile releases to you are releases containing the original records plus extra stuff. Released (bi-)yearly.

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Frankly, the P&M'83 release, which has never been available in listenable quality, is more interesting to me than that.

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