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Reply #450 posted 06/09/18 2:37pm

Silvertongue7

mmart2008 said:



Genesia said:




djThunderfunk said:


As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.






clapping



Have you ever thought, that if you've been collecting boots for 30 years, you may have everything that is in the vault, or pretty close to everything, boots wise. There were some good unreleased tracks late 80's, but as Prince's 90's output, in my opinion, never reached that level again give or Take Gold experience and a few moments along the way. I really think we've had the best ! and how good was it !



We’re missing Prince’s vocals in most protege’s songs, better sounding versions of some boots we have, full version of a few songs we only have in partial form and hopefully a few more songs that are not circulating, be it 80s or later.
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Reply #451 posted 06/09/18 2:39pm

NorthC

mmart2008 said:



Genesia said:




djThunderfunk said:


As someone who has collected Prince bootlegs for 30 years I will never complain that I already have material on an official release, nor will such a factor ever keep me from purchasing an official release.

I will share my opinion when when they make questionable choices as to what to release. I will point out when the quality of the release could be better. I will complain when they tinker with or "finish" material. I will be distrustful when they are not clear and honest about the source or posthumous tinkering. I will get bent out of shape if all they release are things we've heard and I don't get to hear the stuff we haven't heard until I'm old and feeble because they think nobody's interested in anything but the 80s.

But no, I won't hold my having already heard something on bootlleg against an official release. That's on me. I cheated and I'm glad I did. I would absolutely NOT trade 3 decades of bootleg enjoyment for the opportunity to hear the official releases fresh. No way. I'd do it all over again. And to be fair, I feel obligated to purchase the official releases if I've enjoyed the bootleg for decades... hopefully with an upgrade in quality.






clapping



Have you ever thought, that if you've been collecting boots for 30 years, you may have everything that is in the vault, or pretty close to everything, boots wise. There were some good unreleased tracks late 80's, but as Prince's 90's output, in my opinion, never reached that level again give or Take Gold experience and a few moments along the way. I really think we've had the best ! and how good was it !



Yes, sometimes I think that too, maybe we've already heard the best stuff. About his later years, I recall one orger saying something like, "who knows how many deeply religious songs there are are in the vault that he knows no one wants to hear."
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Reply #452 posted 06/09/18 2:41pm

poppys

KingSausage said:

poppys said:


Yeah Bart, it was all Prince's problem. What YOU care about is more important than what the person you are stealing from wanted. Yummy kool-aid, but no thanks.


Who else’s fault would be it if not Prince’s (and now the estate’s)? He sat on this great music for decades and jeopardized the physical security of the tapes themselves. Yes, it’s his art and he could do whatever he wanted to it. But that means accepting the consequences of his actions (or inaction). Primarily, a thriving market for bootlegs that put most of his official releases from the past 25 years to absolute shame. For a guy who was so proud of allegedly pushing the envelope on using the internet for music distribution, and who was often chasing that next dollar, he sure missed many chances to put all this shit out there for easy purchase.


It was Prince's choice, not his fault. HE WAS THE GODHEAD. You really don't get it. Maybe never will. That's on you.

You'd pick the flesh off his bones because you need to eat MORE of his creativity to feel pleasure. And did.

I knew shit would rain for posting about this at all, but Good Gawd Y'all. Takers.


"if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all"
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Reply #453 posted 06/09/18 3:10pm

djThunderfunk

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poppys said:

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal. Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find something to do. That’s scary."

Ebony 12/23/15

IstenSzek said:


if i'd never collected bootlegs or outtakes, i would have deprived myself of so much
good music and so many hours of pleasure listening that i can't even imagine having
done without all these tracks (and this is only 85/86/early87).


Your pleasure at the expense of what the creator wanted. Justified grasping. Stealing from the source to obtain more. He must have been so tired of trying to maintain boundaries all those years. It's not like he didn't release more than anyone else. He was very generous.


That's one way to look at it. Another way is, SOMBEBODY ELSE already stole from the source and distributed it, it's already stolen and already being shared and enjoyed, why not listen to it?

Liberty > Authority
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Reply #454 posted 06/09/18 3:12pm

djThunderfunk

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Strive said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Nah...seriously how can we be happy with a such crappy release....WBR & The Estate are jokers & surely are laughing lol as much they can because they know that we are fools & buy this unnecessary recording...soon they will release Prince in the toilets making Music !

Damned double times !!

PS> Since few years HENDRIX family made better better choices for the unreleased material they choose to release

[Edited 6/9/18 9:07am]

The Estate really needs to study how MCA and Experience Hendrix handled Jimi's posthumous career in the 90s/2000s. They had a live show of related and influenced by artists touring. First Rays Of The Rising Sun was the opening salvo and was quickly followed up by South Saturn Delta. Two new albums compiled of unreleased studio material. They let MCA distribute the big live releases and boxsets. They made Dagger Records so they could self-release more niche content like lesser known soundboards and demo work yearly. They also explained why each release was important and the history behind them. It took them about 15 years to empty the vault of material he's created over 4 years. Prince's vault is infinitely larger. The idea behind this release isn't bad but it really should have been released on his birthday with the announcement of a full album made from unreleased studio material for September. That way you could drive sales of P&AM83 with a tease of what's coming. Buy it and get [whatever single from the September release] today. They also need to study Experience Hendrix and Sony as an example of what not to do. They focused on video when nobody in his fanbase cared about that, they compiled new albums by splicing together multiple takes of songs & passing them off as "new", they burned out the fanbase with nothing reissues and the only thing left of any value (Black Gold) is being sat on with no release in sight. They just shit stuff out with no reason as to why. [Edited 6/9/18 12:14pm]


There absolutely needs to be 2 distribution plans, one for the mainstream and one of obscure "fans only" releases (like this one we're discussing), Dagger Records (and the NPGMC) provide good models for this.

Liberty > Authority
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Reply #455 posted 06/09/18 3:22pm

NorthC

poppys said:



KingSausage said:


poppys said:



Yeah Bart, it was all Prince's problem. What YOU care about is more important than what the person you are stealing from wanted. Yummy kool-aid, but no thanks.




Who else’s fault would be it if not Prince’s (and now the estate’s)? He sat on this great music for decades and jeopardized the physical security of the tapes themselves. Yes, it’s his art and he could do whatever he wanted to it. But that means accepting the consequences of his actions (or inaction). Primarily, a thriving market for bootlegs that put most of his official releases from the past 25 years to absolute shame. For a guy who was so proud of allegedly pushing the envelope on using the internet for music distribution, and who was often chasing that next dollar, he sure missed many chances to put all this shit out there for easy purchase.


It was Prince's choice, not his fault. HE WAS THE GODHEAD. You really don't get it. Maybe never will. That's on you.

You'd pick the flesh off his bones because you need to eat MORE of his creativity to feel pleasure. And did.

I knew shit would rain for posting about this at all, but Good Gawd Y'all. Takers.



Stop being such a drama queen. Unreleased music was available and people got a chance to listen to it. And they did. That's all there is to it.
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Reply #456 posted 06/09/18 3:24pm

djThunderfunk

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mmart2008 said:

Genesia said:


clapping

Have you ever thought, that if you've been collecting boots for 30 years, you may have everything that is in the vault, or pretty close to everything, boots wise. There were some good unreleased tracks late 80's, but as Prince's 90's output, in my opinion, never reached that level again give or Take Gold experience and a few moments along the way. I really think we've had the best ! and how good was it !


Nope. I don't have any of the stuff the "elite" traders are hoarding. Not only that, tons of stuff has leaked in the 2 years since Prince passed, and, tons of stuff I've never heard is listed on PrinceVault. Not only that, but the Prince tightened the ship so very little from the last 20 years of his career leaked, and, I for one am a fan of his entire career, not just the 80s heyday, so, I'm looking forward to hearing that stuff as well.

So, nope, I don't think I have everything that's in the vault. Not even close.

Liberty > Authority
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Reply #457 posted 06/09/18 3:27pm

NorthC

djThunderfunk said:



Strive said:


love2thenines2003 said:

Nah...seriously how can we be happy with a such crappy release....WBR & The Estate are jokers & surely are laughing lol as much they can because they know that we are fools & buy this unnecessary recording...soon they will release Prince in the toilets making Music !



Damned double times !!





PS> Since few years HENDRIX family made better better choices for the unreleased material they choose to release


[Edited 6/9/18 9:07am]



The Estate really needs to study how MCA and Experience Hendrix handled Jimi's posthumous career in the 90s/2000s. They had a live show of related and influenced by artists touring. First Rays Of The Rising Sun was the opening salvo and was quickly followed up by South Saturn Delta. Two new albums compiled of unreleased studio material. They let MCA distribute the big live releases and boxsets. They made Dagger Records so they could self-release more niche content like lesser known soundboards and demo work yearly. They also explained why each release was important and the history behind them. It took them about 15 years to empty the vault of material he's created over 4 years. Prince's vault is infinitely larger. The idea behind this release isn't bad but it really should have been released on his birthday with the announcement of a full album made from unreleased studio material for September. That way you could drive sales of P&AM83 with a tease of what's coming. Buy it and get [whatever single from the September release] today. They also need to study Experience Hendrix and Sony as an example of what not to do. They focused on video when nobody in his fanbase cared about that, they compiled new albums by splicing together multiple takes of songs & passing them off as "new", they burned out the fanbase with nothing reissues and the only thing left of any value (Black Gold) is being sat on with no release in sight. They just shit stuff out with no reason as to why. [Edited 6/9/18 12:14pm]


There absolutely needs to be 2 distribution plans, one for the mainstream and one of obscure "fans only" releases (like this one we're discussing), Dagger Records (and the NPGMC) provide good models for this.


Or Bob Dylan's Bootleg Series:
_Double CD for the casual fans
-Double LP for the vinyl freaks
-Multi CD box for the collectors.
But I don't think that's ever going to happen with Prince.
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Reply #458 posted 06/09/18 3:28pm

poppys


There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate finger to everybody.

Again, Takers.

"if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all"
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Reply #459 posted 06/09/18 3:29pm

FunkiestOne

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KingSausage said:

luv4u said:


I was just saying ......... lol

Gotcha. lol I really hate that I ever paid for boots. Nobody should pay for them.

Actually, if no one paid for them, then the bootleggers wouldn't have an incentive to produce the and distribute the music. So actually, everyone should pay for boots.

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Reply #460 posted 06/09/18 3:32pm

djThunderfunk

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I don't get why people are complaing about the pricing. The Purple Rain Remaster LP cost more than this LP and the NC2U 7'' cost 10 freaking dollars. If you want to go the cheap route with this one, don't pre-order, pick up the CD in stores the week it comes out and I bet it will be $10-11.

Hell, I paid $28 for the vinyl bootleg of this 30 years ago and that one sounded like shit. Waaaaaay worse than the Mary Don't You Weep track people are complaining about. It sounds absolutely pristine when compared to the bootlegs of this set that I've heard.

Liberty > Authority
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Reply #461 posted 06/09/18 3:35pm

NorthC

poppys said:


There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate finger to everybody.

Again, Takers.


Did you read anything the other posters were writing? Especially the parts about the archive releases of other acts?
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Reply #462 posted 06/09/18 3:40pm

IstenSzek

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poppys said:


There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate finger to everybody.

Again, Takers.


well, that's us told off, then smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #463 posted 06/09/18 4:06pm

poppys

IstenSzek said:

poppys said:


There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate finger to everybody.

Again, Takers.



well, that's us told off, then smile

Wriggling squirrel meat. Now let's nail down the details on someone who is TRULY indescribable.

AND deserved the respect of releasing what he saw fit. Fans my azz.

Enjoy the pleasure of your critiques.



"if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all"
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Reply #464 posted 06/09/18 4:21pm

djThunderfunk

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lol

I collected bootlegs while Prince was alive and openly talked about them here knowing he monitored this site... but now I'm supposed to feel guilty because of holier than thou fans chastising me for it?

falloff Naw, I'm cool with it. lol

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Reply #465 posted 06/09/18 4:38pm

poppys


The upshot is that PRINCE released what he wanted released and then, eat crumbs, I'm dead.

"if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all"
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Reply #466 posted 06/09/18 5:22pm

rdhull

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Actully Prince was pretty smart not releasing all that music. Look at the demand for it. Not to mention the worth it can foster.

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #467 posted 06/09/18 7:39pm

udo

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RODSERLING said:

This is an utterly new release, juste like PR deluxe.

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You did not notice you heard the music on disc one before?

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This is not WB fault if you all illegally listened to bootleggs.

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It is.

They thought that we could not keep up. Thus stuff disappeared in the vault.

Thus there was more to leak.

They care about sales. So they release stuff that we already heard. I see a problem there.

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I have great news for you : you won t fond anything new that what was on the bootleggs anyway. Even if it were 1999 deluxe, you already have this on bootleggs.

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We will not get a 1999 deluxe as it will not sell as PR deluxe did not sell.

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. Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.

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Then you do not listen to the music but to the audio?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #468 posted 06/09/18 7:42pm

udo

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dustoff said:

- it's a link to a playlist of the studio recordings that were on the set list.

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Why then title them as they were?

Sorta click bait?

And why expect me to verify streams?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #469 posted 06/09/18 8:00pm

KingSausage

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poppys said:



IstenSzek said:




poppys said:



There is a lack of creativity on the part of the entitled that makes them obsessively want to steal someone else's art and make beaucoup excuses for it. Nothing new - at all.

Prince knew that and dealt with u motherfuckers accordingly. Whine at the estate now and blame Prince for not sharing, go figure.

His death really WAS the ultimate finger to everybody.

Again, Takers.





well, that's us told off, then smile




Wriggling squirrel meat. Now let's nail down the details on someone who is TRULY indescribable.

AND deserved the respect of releasing what he saw fit. Fans my azz.

Enjoy the pleasure of your critiques.







I would have told Prince to his face that I enjoyed some of his unreleased songs. I can’t help it if I think that music is some of the greatest ever. I don’t regret listening to any boots ever. I really don’t know why you’re getting so emotional about this.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
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Reply #470 posted 06/09/18 8:02pm

KingSausage

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FunkiestOne said:



KingSausage said:


luv4u said:



I was just saying ..... lol



Gotcha. lol I really hate that I ever paid for boots. Nobody should pay for them.


Actually, if no one paid for them, then the bootleggers wouldn't have an incentive to produce the and distribute the music. So actually, everyone should pay for boots.




Hell no. I’m all in favor of the model in which one person takes a hit for the team and buys some new release from Eye or whatever, and then shares the files far and wide. Release it!
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
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Reply #471 posted 06/09/18 10:00pm

TrivialPursuit

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Strive said:

TrivialPursuit said:


HAHAHAHA You think the success or failure of an album is solely based on users on prince.org?!?!?! That is naive.

Also lol at people calling it a flop when it redebuted at #5 and sold nearly 50k hard copies the first week. https://www.billboard.com...lboard-200


It's those armchair experts that forget what "success" is today. They forget that isn't not just physical albums. It's streams, digital purchases, etc. But even the numbers of 52K sold and 48K being traditional album sales speaks volumes that people were buying the actual album. Hell, I bought 4 copies in diff formats (picture disk, vinyl, 3-CD and 2CD).

NO ONE is selling 1, 2, or 3 million copies their first week out. Gold and Platinum are different depending who is certifying them. There is the RIAA, which are obviously issuing much fewer gold and platinum awards because of downloading. There is an independent music group that has lower numbers to certify indie music silver, double silver, gold, etc. In theory, Purple Rain could qualify for that because NPG is an independent label. WB acted solely as exclusive distributor. NPG licensed (read: not sold) the rights to distribute his music (with his permission per project) to WB.

Half of the Prince fans out there are negative Nancys who would rather see ol' boy be The Kid for the rest of his life and actually use the 1984 sales figures as the benchmark. They forget that before and after Prince was averaging a fraction of PR's sales throughout his career.

It's those fans who should just bow out and find a new artist to love, hype up, then shit on.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #472 posted 06/09/18 11:37pm

RODSERLING

TrivialPursuit said:



Strive said:


TrivialPursuit said:



HAHAHAHA You think the success or failure of an album is solely based on users on prince.org?!?!?! That is naive.



Also lol at people calling it a flop when it redebuted at #5 and sold nearly 50k hard copies the first week. https://www.billboard.com...lboard-200


It's those armchair experts that forget what "success" is today. They forget that isn't not just physical albums. It's streams, digital purchases, etc. But even the numbers of 52K sold and 48K being traditional album sales speaks volumes that people were buying the actual album. Hell, I bought 4 copies in diff formats (picture disk, vinyl, 3-CD and 2CD).

NO ONE is selling 1, 2, or 3 million copies their first week out. Gold and Platinum are different depending who is certifying them. There is the RIAA, which are obviously issuing much fewer gold and platinum awards because of downloading. There is an independent music group that has lower numbers to certify indie music silver, double silver, gold, etc. In theory, Purple Rain could qualify for that because NPG is an independent label. WB acted solely as exclusive distributor. NPG licensed (read: not sold) the rights to distribute his music (with his permission per project) to WB.

Half of the Prince fans out there are negative Nancys who would rather see ol' boy be The Kid for the rest of his life and actually use the 1984 sales figures as the benchmark. They forget that before and after Prince was averaging a fraction of PR's sales throughout his career.

It's those fans who should just bow out and find a new artist to love, hype up, then shit on.


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Lol this "armchair expert," that I am already explained two pages ago that P deluxe didn t sell 48.000 the first week of sales in the US.
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It sold in fact between 33 and 37.000 according to Hits Daily Double. The rest ( as I already explained) was between 11 and 14000 copies sold of the regular version, mainly on vinyl.So you Can call it a flop.
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I just opened a new topic here about the orgers here that didn't buy PR deluxe version. It tells you a lot about the potentiel sales WB hoped for.
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I would be curious to know that, of the 80.000 deluxe éditions sold in 2017 in the USa, really how many is the 3 disc+1 dvd version.Would be funny
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Reply #473 posted 06/09/18 11:56pm

RODSERLING

udo said:



RODSERLING said:



This is an utterly new release, juste like PR deluxe.

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You did not notice you heard the music on disc one before?


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This is not WB fault if you all illegally listened to bootleggs.

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It is.


They thought that we could not keep up. Thus stuff disappeared in the vault.


Thus there was more to leak.


They care about sales. So they release stuff that we already heard. I see a problem there.


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I have great news for you : you won t fond anything new that what was on the bootleggs anyway. Even if it were 1999 deluxe, you already have this on bootleggs.

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We will not get a 1999 deluxe as it will not sell as PR deluxe did not sell.


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. Personnally I never listened to bootleggs, it sounds like crap.

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Then you do not listen to the music but to the audio?



When I talk about the deluxe version, of course I am talking about CD3.
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Almost everything he did in the 80s is already bootlegged. How Can Wb release something new for you illegal listened? Impossible situation, After stealing most of the vault for free during Prince lifetime, now that he is Dead, to get new music, the only solution is to resurect him, and to force him to record new music in à studio.
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Personnally, the audio is as important as the music. If I Can t listened à song on a good audio matériel, there is no point to it. Moreover, from what I heard, it was sub par material that couldn fit on an album. Prince wasn't crazy, if his unreleased songs were so good he would have released it.
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For instance, I Always heard that "wonderfull ass" was one of his best unreleasrd song...hum, it is on PR deluxe, while the production is enjoyable, the song is subpar material at best.
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Reply #474 posted 06/10/18 12:10am

udo

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RODSERLING said:

udo said:

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Then you do not listen to the music but to the audio?

When I talk about the deluxe version, of course I am talking about CD3.

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Did I imply otherwise?

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lmost everything he did in the 80s is already bootlegged.

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Estimates abou t vault contents vary.

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How Can Wb release something new for you illegal listened?

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'Illegal' is a construct., espcially in the area of 'intellectual property' which in itself is a construct, a fabrication.

Then they decided the market could not absurd more than one album per year, so how can it now?

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For instance, I Always heard that "wonderfull ass" was one of his best unreleasrd song...hum, it is on PR deluxe, while the production is enjoyable, the song is subpar material at best.

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Tastes can vary between subjects.

From your indications one could determine that all we get from the vaults are ~35 minutes of music on CD, one release per year, for perhaps 15 years or so.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #475 posted 06/10/18 12:17am

SoulAlive

RODSERLING said:

TrivialPursuit said:


It's those armchair experts that forget what "success" is today. They forget that isn't not just physical albums. It's streams, digital purchases, etc. But even the numbers of 52K sold and 48K being traditional album sales speaks volumes that people were buying the actual album. Hell, I bought 4 copies in diff formats (picture disk, vinyl, 3-CD and 2CD).

NO ONE is selling 1, 2, or 3 million copies their first week out. Gold and Platinum are different depending who is certifying them. There is the RIAA, which are obviously issuing much fewer gold and platinum awards because of downloading. There is an independent music group that has lower numbers to certify indie music silver, double silver, gold, etc. In theory, Purple Rain could qualify for that because NPG is an independent label. WB acted solely as exclusive distributor. NPG licensed (read: not sold) the rights to distribute his music (with his permission per project) to WB.

Half of the Prince fans out there are negative Nancys who would rather see ol' boy be The Kid for the rest of his life and actually use the 1984 sales figures as the benchmark. They forget that before and after Prince was averaging a fraction of PR's sales throughout his career.

It's those fans who should just bow out and find a new artist to love, hype up, then shit on.

. Lol this "armchair expert," that I am already explained two pages ago that P deluxe didn t sell 48.000 the first week of sales in the US. . It sold in fact between 33 and 37.000 according to Hits Daily Double. The rest ( as I already explained) was between 11 and 14000 copies sold of the regular version, mainly on vinyl.So you Can call it a flop. . I just opened a new topic here about the orgers here that didn't buy PR deluxe version. It tells you a lot about the potentiel sales WB hoped for. . I would be curious to know that, of the 80.000 deluxe éditions sold in 2017 in the USa, really how many is the 3 disc+1 dvd version.Would be funny

Why are you so obsessed with how many copies are being sold? rolleyes You come into these threads with all of these sales figures,which you probably memorized (lol).I don't get it,what is your point? You seem almost happy to point out that something is a "flop".What is your agenda/purpose on this site?

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Reply #476 posted 06/10/18 1:47am

SoulAlive

Graycap23 said:

Who in the hell is making decision over at WB? With all of the material that they found, this is the best they could come up with?

I feel the same way.Still gonna buy it,though smile

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Reply #477 posted 06/10/18 1:58am

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RODSERLING said:


TrivialPursuit said:



It's those armchair experts that forget what "success" is today. They forget that isn't not just physical albums. It's streams, digital purchases, etc. But even the numbers of 52K sold and 48K being traditional album sales speaks volumes that people were buying the actual album. Hell, I bought 4 copies in diff formats (picture disk, vinyl, 3-CD and 2CD).

NO ONE is selling 1, 2, or 3 million copies their first week out. Gold and Platinum are different depending who is certifying them. There is the RIAA, which are obviously issuing much fewer gold and platinum awards because of downloading. There is an independent music group that has lower numbers to certify indie music silver, double silver, gold, etc. In theory, Purple Rain could qualify for that because NPG is an independent label. WB acted solely as exclusive distributor. NPG licensed (read: not sold) the rights to distribute his music (with his permission per project) to WB.

Half of the Prince fans out there are negative Nancys who would rather see ol' boy be The Kid for the rest of his life and actually use the 1984 sales figures as the benchmark. They forget that before and after Prince was averaging a fraction of PR's sales throughout his career.

It's those fans who should just bow out and find a new artist to love, hype up, then shit on.



. Lol this "armchair expert," that I am already explained two pages ago that P deluxe didn t sell 48.000 the first week of sales in the US. . It sold in fact between 33 and 37.000 according to Hits Daily Double. The rest ( as I already explained) was between 11 and 14000 copies sold of the regular version, mainly on vinyl.So you Can call it a flop. . I just opened a new topic here about the orgers here that didn't buy PR deluxe version. It tells you a lot about the potentiel sales WB hoped for. . I would be curious to know that, of the 80.000 deluxe éditions sold in 2017 in the USa, really how many is the 3 disc+1 dvd version.Would be funny



Why are you so obsessed with how many copies are being sold? rolleyes You come into these threads with all of these sales figures,which you probably memorized (lol).I don't get it,what is your point? You seem almost happy to point out that something is a "flop".What is your agenda/purpose on this site?



What is the purpose of this topic? To whine about à release? Who cares? What is your agenda on this site?
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Why would I be happy that à Prince album makes a flop? On the contrary, I had high hopes on PR deluxe sales. I just point it out the Real sales. It s just the truth.

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You are all whining about the fact they won t release 1999 deluxe, but hey, they released PR deluxe last year and even many orgers here didn t buy it.So all your 15 pages of wonderings, interrogations and whinings could be sum up in the sales of PR deluxe.

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Even if 1999 deluxe were released we all know that most of you would complain about it and threaten to not buy it, because they already have it on their damned bootleggs.
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My posts are not less irrelevant on the matter than yours, I m sorry. I already told last year that sales of the PR deluxe Will determine the future released. I was right. That s why sales are more important than individual tastes.
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Reply #478 posted 06/10/18 2:51am

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I really hope that new things will b leaked soon to forget this crappy release that WBR and Estate are ready to release!
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Reply #479 posted 06/10/18 4:50am

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udo said:

dustoff said:

- it's a link to a playlist of the studio recordings that were on the set list.

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Why then title them as they were?

Sorta click bait?

And why expect me to verify streams?


You claimed that P&M 2016 was on Tidal, and provided a link.

It took only a cursory glance at the material to know that your claim wasn't true.

Then you ask, "Why should I be expected to verify what I say on this board?"


That's rich, i gotta say.

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