Just like Prince, they often incorporated spiritual messages in their songs, the top one being their biggest hit.







This one is another very big hit of theirs (some of Bobby Farrell's dancing below is very Prince like):

And if anyone on here can remember how hot the Summer of 1976 was... they will probably remember this brilliant cover of 'Sunny'

^ ^

About the sick and fake genre "Hiphop", with all the computer programming and sampling, instead of original musiciansship:


I was a kid in 1976-1980 when Boney M. - and other disco acts in general - were the smash in Europe..

I am therefo too old to appreciate "Hiphop", this later and very "sick" genre is fake, I don't understand the style and misogyni (spelled)


I do not understand it, and... hiphop I am sure it does not understand me...

I like this cover version of Ma Baker:

thedance said:

About the sick and fake genre "Hiphop", with all the computer programming and sampling, instead of original musiciansship:


I was a kid in 1976-1980 when Boney M. - and other disco acts in general - were the smash in Europe..

I am therefo too old to appreciate "Hiphop", this later and very "sick" genre is fake, I don't understand the style and misogyni (spelled)


I do not understand it, and... hiphop I am sure it does not understand me...

thedance you are too cute

thedance said:

About the sick and fake genre "Hiphop", with all the computer programming and sampling, instead of original musiciansship:


I was a kid in 1976-1980 when Boney M. - and other disco acts in general - were the smash in Europe..

I am therefo too old to appreciate "Hiphop", this later and very "sick" genre is fake, I don't understand the style and misogyni (spelled)


I do not understand it, and... hiphop I am sure it does not understand me...

I don't understand or like it either but it can't be denied as an american form, it's been around long enough. Personally, I just hate all the thug shit, it's gotten a lot of stupid kids shot because they think it's cool to go around acting like that. When you know people that that personally has effected it makes you hate it.

thedance said:

I was a kid in 1976-1980 when Boney M. - and other disco acts in general - were the smash in Europe..

I am therefo too old to appreciate "Hiphop"

Sugarhill Gang, Lady B, Kurtis Blow, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5, The Sequence, Paulette & Tanya Winley, Funky 4 + 1, and others all had records out in 1979. Enterprise was released in 1978 and there's songs from the 1960s that are pretty much rap songs like The Name Game & Here Comes The Judge. The country group The Bellamy Brothers released a song in 1976 called Country Rap

This track by Frankie Jaxon came out in 1929 and there's many older blues, country, and pop songs that have rap cadences. Hip hop itself was influenced from Jamaican music. So rap is older than you are. Older acts like the Beach Boys, Chubby Checker, B.B. King, Bob Dylan, Quincy Jones, and Paul McCartney worked with rappers. Bob Hope did a rap on one of his TV specials and Mel Brooks had Hitler Rap.

Here's Paul Simon & Phil Collins rapping. In several interviews, Phil has said he got the "Ha Ha Ha!" in Genesis' song Mama from Melle Mel in The Message and he appeared in a music video by Bone Thugs N Harmony.

Even the Jackson 5 had a proto-rap song

Although they used music from other songs, Sugarhill Records had a house band that replayed the music. It's the house band playing on Rapper's Delight. It's not Chic & Love De-Luxe. It's not a sample, because samplers hadn't came out yet. So technically it's a remake with different lyrics. One of the Sugarhill guys was later in the rock band Living Colour. Other early rap songs that used the original records had a DJ scratching/mixing the breaks, which is a different thing from sampling. There's rap songs that had session musicans on them (Whodini, Kurtis Blow, Run DMC, etc). There were were people like Orange Krush, Thomas Dolby, & Eddie Martinez playing on the songs. Flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers played bass on Bust A Move by Young MC. Jam Master Jay from Run DMC also played instruments. Beastie Boys played on most of their records themselves after the 1st 2 albums and have put out instrumental albums. Then there were singers and bands who put some rap in their songs:

Stevie Wonder - Do I Do / The Crown (Gary Byrd), Blondie - Rapture, Teena Marie - Square Biz
Johnny "Guitar" Watson - Telephone Bill, Modern Romance - Queen Of The Rapping Scene,
Tom Tom Club - Wordy Rappinghood, Wham! - Young Guns / Wham! Rap, Millie Jackson - I Had To Say It, Fatback Band - King Tim III
James Brown & Afrika Bambaataa - Unity (The Payback is basically rapping and probably an influence on the later gangsta rap),
Adam & The Ants - Ant Rap, Cameo - She's Strange (12" Version), Quincy Jones - The Dude,
Malcom McLaren - Buffalo Gals, Time Zone - World Destruction

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis played on Ice T's first single The Coldest Rap. They also produced Bad Times by Captain Rapp & Kimberly Ball

Falco rapped in German

thedance said:

About the sick and fake genre "Hiphop", with all the computer programming and sampling, instead of original musiciansship:

Like this?

Brand New Heavies released an entire album with rappers and no samples

No programming here

MickyDolenz said:

The country group The Bellamy Brothers released a song in 1976 called Country Rap

That's supposed to be 1986, not 76.

MickyDolenz said:

MickyDolenz said:

The country group The Bellamy Brothers released a song in 1976 called Country Rap

That's supposed to be 1986, not 76.

i used to joke with my hip hop buddie that "big bad john" was the first rap record just to fuck with him. the storytelling record never was new, the rhyme sans melody has been around for awhile.

PeteSilas said:

MickyDolenz said:

That's supposed to be 1986, not 76.

i used to joke with my hip hop buddie that "big bad john" was the first rap record just to fuck with him. the storytelling record never was new, the rhyme sans melody has been around for awhile.

Charlie Daniels had a few rap style songs in the 1970s and there was the big hit Convoy by C.W. McCall. Years later Charlie appeared on the Arsenio Hall Show and Arsenio told him Devil Goes Down To Georgia was rapping. His 1st hit was Uneasy Rider from the early 1970s.

ya, i was gonna mention devil went down to georgia.

MickyDolenz said:

PeteSilas said:

i used to joke with my hip hop buddie that "big bad john" was the first rap record just to fuck with him. the storytelling record never was new, the rhyme sans melody has been around for awhile.

Charlie Daniels had a few rap style songs in the 1970s and there was the big hit Convoy by C.W. McCall. Years later Charlie appeared on the Arsenio Hall Show and Arsenio told him Devil Goes Down To Georgia was rapping. His 1st hit was Uneasy Rider from the early 1970s.

MickyDolenz said:

thedance said:

About the sick and fake genre "Hiphop", with all the computer programming and sampling, instead of original musiciansship:

Like this?

Excellent I Feel Love, is such an amazing disco track way ahead of the time, released in 1977, wow..


I love when programming is done right, 1999 + Purple Rain contains lots and lots of programming, lots og excellent musiciansship as well, no rule without exceptions..

In general I really hate hiphop deeply with a passion, yuck... and, mainly this is because I do not understand it, I can't relate to the style, the bragging, the handsigns

what I detest is especially the rapping the idea to take a beat to take a sample and put on some irritating rapping - often then the socalled hiphop "artist" is ruin the old classic, for instance to day its hard to listen to Sister Sledge "He's The Greatest Dancer" without thinking of "Gettin Giggy With It" from the idiotic parasite artist Will Smith, also "Superfreak" from Rick James is a song ruined, because MC Hammer, he took this to another place - with "U Can't Touch This", one of the worst is the Sting Song "Every Breath You Take" (The Police), remade by Puff Daddy, yuck big yuck...Eminem.. he took an old Dido song is maybe a little better, not that bad but still - I can enjoy Dido, the original, without Eminem.. because it is a good song to begin with.

Way too much re-make from parasite artists. Again with exceptions, "Knock On Wood" is a disco classic and was huuuge from Amii Stewart in 1979 - a classic disco track, this disco re-make is way better that the original imho.., and, Soft Cell made a classic song with a re-make of "Tainted Love".. and this goes on, lots of exceptions can be made, I know - it is after all a matter of taste..

But yuck in general I really detest hiphop as a genre!

In case u and others appreciate this genre, cool with me, I love the pop, the funk, rock, some soul, lots of disco, and almost zero hiphop (ok - no rule, without exceptions)


The Gap Band "Oops Upside Your Head", is very enjoyable, but isn't this disco (to me this is a disco track), often the track is included on disco compilation cd albums... also, same with "Rapture" from Blondie, reminds me of a disco song, I can enjoy this (I believe the long 12 inch version actually is called "Disco Mix" iirc, (I could remember this wrong though).

No offense, I like what I like - and you guys like what you guys like, it's a free world,


- I just know I avoid hiphop by "nearly" all means..

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[Edited 5/27/18 18:02pm]

thedance said:

I love when programming is done right, 1999 + Purple Rain contains lots and lots of programming, lots og excellent musiciansship as well, no rule without exceptions..

That's not what you said. You said hip hop is fake because it has programming. I posted examples of rap songs with traditional instruments (even an orchestra) and a disco song with programming. A lot of dance music has programming and so does a lot of popular 1980s R&B, especially starting in the mid 80s and then the New Jack Swing era. Now you say you like Rapture by Blondie which has a rap at the end and she mentions Fab Five Freddy and he's in the music video as well. Do you listen to Janet Jackson? Because a lot of her songs contain samples and it's Jam & Lewis producing her music. I Feel For You by Chaka Khan has a sample from Fingertips by Little Stevie. On the remix for The Relex by Duran Duran, that's Simon's voice being sampled "Why-yi-yi-yi-yi". Robert Plant also sampled his own voice from a Led Zeppelin song on his 1980s hit Tall Cool One. George Michael sampled Funky Drummer on Waiting For That Day. He even released a VHS tape where he shows how he slowed it down and put it on the song. You mentioned Oops Upside Your Head. There'a a part of it that came from the beginning & end of this track, including the scat part and even the words "disco to go". It's replayed/resung, but it's basically similar to sampling. It's ironic that Bruno Mars had to give the Wilson brothers writers credit when whoever wrote Disco To Go is not credited on Oops. It's like what was said on the Everything Is A Remix video, it's ok if I copy somebody, but no one can copy me. Maybe people weren't as sue happy back then. If it was, the Bar Kays wouldn't have had a career that long.

thedance said:

In general I really hate hiphop deeply with a passion, yuck... and, mainly this is because I do not understand it, I can't relate to the style, the bragging, the handsigns

Isn't bragging pretty much what Morris Day does? His entire image is that of a pimp. I guess that is why he recently did a song with Snoop. There's also hand signs in rock music and heavy metal, like the devil's horns.

thedance said:
one of the worst is the Sting Song "Every Breath You Take" (The Police), remade by Puff Daddy, yuck big yuck...

Yet Sting allowed Puff Daddy to remix Roxanne and Pras from The Fugees to rap on it. Sting made a video for it as well and Sting has just released an entire new collabo album with dancehall singer Shaggy

you can't deny that no other form of music would take wholecloth music from other artists and use it, it used to be rampant because the younger generation really didn't have the oppurtunity to play like the older one did. Some of them can but many, many don't and it's always been hard for musicians who took an intrument seriously enough to isolate themselves for years and years to learn it, it's always been difficult for us to look at, not only rap artists but lip syncers, karaoke singers etc.., but, as for me, i think it's wasteful for musicians to be angry about those things, really wasteful, as i've said a million times, no one promised a musician anything and most of them were discoraged from the gitgo so blaming those people cuz you couldn't make it is stupid and pointless. If the public would rather pay money to buy crap than real music, so be it. should at least be a grownup about it.

MickyDolenz said:

thedance said:

I love when programming is done right, 1999 + Purple Rain contains lots and lots of programming, lots og excellent musiciansship as well, no rule without exceptions..

That's not what you said. You said hip hop is fake because it has programming. I posted examples of rap songs with traditional instruments (even an orchestra) and a disco song with programming. A lot of dance music has programming and so does a lot of popular 1980s R&B, especially starting in the mid 80s and then the New Jack Swing era. Now you say you like Rapture by Blondie which has a rap at the end and she mentions Fab Five Freddy and he's in the music video as well. Do you listen to Janet Jackson? Because a lot of her songs contain samples and it's Jam & Lewis producing her music. I Feel For You by Chaka Khan has a sample from Fingertips by Little Stevie. On the remix for The Relex by Duran Duran, that's Simon's voice being sampled "Why-yi-yi-yi-yi". Robert Plant also sampled his own voice from a Led Zeppelin song on his 1980s hit Tall Cool One. George Michael sampled Funky Drummer on Waiting For That Day. He even released a VHS tape where he shows how he slowed it down and put it on the song. You mentioned Oops Upside Your Head. There'a a part of it that came from the beginning & end of this track, including the scat part and even the words "disco to go". It's replayed/resung, but it's basically similar to sampling. It's ironic that Bruno Mars had to give the Wilson brothers writers credit when whoever wrote Disco To Go is not credited on Oops. It's like what was said on the Everything Is A Remix video, it's ok if I copy somebody, but no one can copy me. Maybe people weren't as sue happy back then. If it was, the Bar Kays wouldn't have had a career that long.

rdhull said:

thedance said:

About the sick and fake genre "Hiphop", with all the computer programming and sampling, instead of original musiciansship:


I was a kid in 1976-1980 when Boney M. - and other disco acts in general - were the smash in Europe..

I am therefo too old to appreciate "Hiphop", this later and very "sick" genre is fake, I don't understand the style and misogyni (spelled)


I do not understand it, and... hiphop I am sure it does not understand me...

thedance you are too cute

Thanks, Rd....

Listening right now this early morning.. to disco... right now "M" with "Pop Muzik", german disco as far as I know..

eeeh.........?


Puff Daddy..

How in heaven will he be remembered, what did he contribute to in pop music history...


I am sure he will be gladly forgotten, maybe that already happened..

thedance said:

How in heaven will he be remembered, what did he contribute to in pop music history...

There's a current TV commercial with a Notorious B.I.G. song on it. So Puffy P. Diddy (& Herb Alpert) is still making money. Diddy did do his own vocals unlike the Boney M dude. You're talking about rap being fake and you're bragging about a black guy lip syncing to a white guy's voice (who is not really singing but talking his vocals). At least the voices for Milli Vanilli were the same race as they are. Milli Vanilli could do their own singing but weren't allowed to. Fab Morvan performs concerts today with the singer that was his voice John Davis under the group name Face Meets Voice. Rob & Fab wanted to sing on their next record but their producer Farian refused and that's when he spilled the beans. If they hadn't rebelled Farian likely wouldn't have said anything. Puffy probably won't get in, but 5 rap acts have already been inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame: Run DMC, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5, NWA, Beastie Boys, & Public Enemy. LL Cool J was nominated this year but didn't make it. Chic has been nominated around 10 times and still hasn't got in. I think Donna Summer got in because she had passed away around the year she was inducted. They ignored her before. So that says to me that hip hop is more important to the voters than disco or dance music, like Kraftwerk has been nominated too but didn't make it. IThe Hall filled their dance music quota with Madonna. Hip hop has remained popular in the mainstream way longer than disco, glam metal, grunge, new wave, and New Jack Swing did in the US. What's your excuse for not liking country music? Because I haven't heard any Merle Haggard or Randy Travis songs with samples or computer programming on them.

PeteSilas said:

it's always been hard for musicians who took an intrument seriously enough to isolate themselves for years and years to learn it, it's always been difficult for us to look at, not only rap artists but lip syncers, karaoke singers etc..,

If somebody is doing some Sun Ra style music and expecting to get mainstream success or coverage and radio chart hits, that's not realistic. That kind of thing doesn't appeal to the general public. If it did classical music would have been shown on MTV and girls screaming at them like The Beatles. Look at the early 1900s during the beginning of the recording industry. It was "coon songs" and blackface perfomers that was popular with the mainstream. Then in the 1950s & 1960s it was teen idols like Ricky Nelson & Frankie Avalon that were popular with teens and Lawrence Welk & Percy Faith with their parents.

MickyDolenz said:

PeteSilas said:

it's always been hard for musicians who took an intrument seriously enough to isolate themselves for years and years to learn it, it's always been difficult for us to look at, not only rap artists but lip syncers, karaoke singers etc..,

If somebody is doing some Sun Ra style music and expecting to get mainstream success or coverage and radio chart hits, that's not realistic. That kind of thing doesn't appeal to the general public. If it did classical music would have been shown on MTV and girls screaming at them like The Beatles. Look at the early 1900s during the beginning of the recording industry. It was "coon songs" and blackface perfomers that was popular with the mainstream. Then in the 1950s & 1960s it was teen idols like Ricky Nelson & Frankie Avalon that were popular with teens and Lawrence Welk & Percy Faith with their parents.

I'm just giving perspective Micky, that's how Prince felt and that's also how a lot of musicians feel, I know, i'm a musician and I've heard them say those things. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, i don't feel that way, i've said how i feel. I don't like the false images, the bling, the lingo but it's how it's always been. back in the 30's white people used to go to harlem to hear "jungle" music and feel like they were actually doing something exotic. same with suburban white kids and rap. the black kids? I'm tired of seeing them act ignorant and get themselves shot trying to be like the latest rapper.

jaawwnn said:

Did rap stop in 1997 for you guys? None of the new kids are rapping about getting shot, its all rapping about their feelings of anxiety and how someone was passive aggressive to them on social media.

kids are still walking around using the n word, trying to act thuggish, trying to bully people. It's not just rap though, it's an exploitable market that has been there since the 50's. I was just watching a little docu on Charles Starkweather, the guy who killed 11 people in the fifties, he thought he was living up to james dean's image, nothing new under the sun really. Kids are stupid, easily influenced and if money can be made off of that, lets do it right?

PeteSilas said:

jaawwnn said:

Did rap stop in 1997 for you guys? None of the new kids are rapping about getting shot, its all rapping about their feelings of anxiety and how someone was passive aggressive to them on social media.

kids are still walking around using the n word, trying to act thuggish, trying to bully people. It's not just rap though, it's an exploitable market that has been there since the 50's. I was just watching a little docu on Charles Starkweather, the guy who killed 11 people in the fifties, he thought he was living up to james dean's image, nothing new under the sun really. Kids are stupid, easily influenced and if money can be made off of that, lets do it right?

Truth.

jaawwnn said:

Did rap stop in 1997 for you guys? None of the new kids are rapping about getting shot, its all rapping about their feelings of anxiety and how someone was passive aggressive to them on social media.

People today don't have to listen to performers talking about that. They can play Grand Theft Auto & Call Of Duty and do it themselves. I read an article about a month ago that said GTA 5 has made more money than any movie or other entertainment in history. The article said GTA 5 sold around 90 million copies (which is more than Michael Jackson's Thriller) and made $6 billion. Video games are more popular than music now and a game disc generally costs more than an album, even the vinyl version. Also look at the popularity of superhero movies & TV shows now and they have video games, toys, Funko Pops, t-shirts, and all kinds of things. But I've heard that actual sales of comic books are not that great. Action or violent movies have always been popular with the general public, going all the way back to Gene Autry westerns, film noir, & Sinbad the sailor/Tarzan/Godzilla/King Kong/Zorro/3 Stooges and so on. TV has been full of cop shows for decades now. So I didn't get why people put down gangsta rap, when it was just the latest thing in a long line of other things at the time. Why is it considered different as audio in comparison to a Chuck Norris movie where he blows up stuff or Al Pacino's Scarface?

PeteSilas said:

kids are still walking around using the n word,

Black people (not just kids) have been doing that for many decades before hip hop was even a thing. I don't see much of a point in complaining about it now. It's been passed along too long now for it to go away, like Pandora's Box.

white and asian kids are using it, i've seen them, in pussy ass seattle none of them are tough guys, i should go smack them a couple times really.

MickyDolenz said:

PeteSilas said:

kids are still walking around using the n word,

Black people (not just kids) have been doing that for many decades before hip hop was even a thing. I don't see much of a point in complaining about it now. It's been passed along too long now for it to go away, like Pandora's Box.