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Reply #60 posted 05/11/18 10:25pm

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JAY Z involved compiling the track list from the vault is only communication...the final word is up to Troy Carter with the help of the main archivist ...i even suspect that the unreleased album had have been compiled when Prince was yet alive...it's more than my 2 cents!
[Edited 5/11/18 22:26pm]
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Reply #61 posted 05/12/18 12:11am

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And, btw, another example that BartVanHemelen's statement about "nobody has interest in recent Prince's songs" is a hoax.
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Reply #62 posted 05/12/18 12:51am

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You would think some people here on the org will never be happy with any future releases unless Prince himself comes back from the dead to oversee its release. I hardly think JayZ is able to walk down the vault isles with a shopping trolly and drop anything he wants into it. Prince had a plan with the HNR series and from what it looks like is they are compilations of orphaned songs working backwards in time. HNR3 was probably set for outtakes from mid 10's upto 2010 or so.

So it will either be HNR3 or there is an album there that was being worked on. I doubt very much it will be a Crystal Ball type compilation of outtakes from 96 onwards.

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Reply #63 posted 05/12/18 12:57am

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Just a couple of days ago, I wondered if Tidal was still a thing. I guess it is.
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Reply #64 posted 05/12/18 1:55am

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love2thenines2003 said:

https://www.rollingstone....um-w520211
"Our only goal is to share Prince's music with his fans as he wanted," Jay-Z says of 2019 album Tidal and the Prince estate announced Friday that, after a lengthy legal battle, the streaming service will debut a new and unreleased Prince album. Due out in 2019, the album will feature a collection of previously unreleased music from Prince's legendary Vault. Tidal will stream the album exclusively for 14 days as well as make the LP available for download a week after its debut. After that period, the Prince estate will handle the global physical release of the collection.


And there you have it... A fucking rapper who's ignorant about anything regarding Prince's music will be selecting music (read: incoherent, irrelevant mess of a release and thrown together songs without any logical structure like "Crystal Ball"...) and decide with other ignorant estate cunts what we will hear...
Don't be surprised if the songs will be "remixed", "completed" with irrelevant tracks and/or edited to fuck like that "Nothing Compares 2 U" release...
Fuck Tidal, Jay-Z and The prince Estate... Next thing you know they'll have QuestLove write the liner notes full of imagined "facts"...

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Reply #65 posted 05/12/18 2:06am

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Neversin said:

love2thenines2003 said:

https://www.rollingstone....um-w520211


And there you have it... A fucking rapper who's ignorant about anything regarding Prince's music will be selecting music (read: incoherent, irrelevant mess of a release and thrown together songs without any logical structure like "Crystal Ball"...) and decide with other ignorant estate cunts what we will hear...
Don't be surprised if the songs will be "remixed", "completed" with irrelevant tracks and/or edited to fuck like that "Nothing Compares 2 U" release...
Fuck Tidal, Jay-Z and The prince Estate... Next thing you know they'll have QuestLove write the liner notes full of imagined "facts"...

Neversin.

This is my main FEAR....2 !

PS>Neversin...are u aware if in the vaults there are real completed / sequenced Prince albums always unreleased?

thanx 4 ur possible reply?

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Reply #66 posted 05/12/18 2:23am

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love2thenines2003 said:

Neversin said:


And there you have it... A fucking rapper who's ignorant about anything regarding Prince's music will be selecting music (read: incoherent, irrelevant mess of a release and thrown together songs without any logical structure like "Crystal Ball"...) and decide with other ignorant estate cunts what we will hear...
Don't be surprised if the songs will be "remixed", "completed" with irrelevant tracks and/or edited to fuck like that "Nothing Compares 2 U" release...
Fuck Tidal, Jay-Z and The prince Estate... Next thing you know they'll have QuestLove write the liner notes full of imagined "facts"...

Neversin.

This is my main FEAR....2 !

PS>Neversin...are u aware if in the vaults there are real completed / sequenced Prince albums always unreleased?

thanx 4 ur possible reply?


Yes...
There are several sequenced "albums", or at least collections of songs, ready for release...
The problem is some of the stuff on those releases have been released on other albums... But everybody should already know this as this is "Prince 101" since 1982...

And then there's the numerous instrumental projects that were sequenced and edited into potential (untitled) album releases... There's a shitload of those...

Then there are "rejected" sequences/albums Prince wanted out there but wasn't allowed to release...

My guess is the ignorants at The prince Estate will ignore these and pull them apart because they lack informed people and are "learning" Prince 101 on the fly now and fail to turn to advise from people who already researched Prince and his recorded material for the last 40 years...

Their goal is not to please fans or do archival professional releases but to monetize as much as possible by trying to sell to and engage the general public... Fans will buy shit anyhow so no need to focus on them... That seems to be their stance...

Neversin.

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Reply #67 posted 05/12/18 2:32am

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Neversin said:

love2thenines2003 said:

This is my main FEAR....2 !

PS>Neversin...are u aware if in the vaults there are real completed / sequenced Prince albums always unreleased?

thanx 4 ur possible reply?


Yes...
There are several sequenced "albums", or at least collections of songs, ready for release...
The problem is some of the stuff on those releases have been released on other albums... But everybody should already know this as this is "Prince 101" since 1982...

And then there's the numerous instrumental projects that were sequenced and edited into potential (untitled) album releases... There's a shitload of those...

Then there are "rejected" sequences/albums Prince wanted out there but wasn't allowed to release...

My guess is the ignorants at The prince Estate will ignore these and pull them apart because they lack informed people and are "learning" Prince 101 on the fly now and fail to turn to advise from people who already researched Prince and his recorded material for the last 40 years...

Their goal is not to please fans or do archival professional releases but to monetize as much as possible by trying to sell to and engage the general public... Fans will buy shit anyhow so no need to focus on them... That seems to be their stance...

Neversin.

Thanx so much 4 ur clarifications Neversin...i appreciate ....i think that u are right about these fears & Now Prince is gone....Windows & Doors of the incompetence are fully open ...People Involved exept maybe 4 Michael Howe (but the final word is not up 2 him) are far away to be credible...Business 1st ...RIGHT ?

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Reply #68 posted 05/12/18 5:17am

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Rebeljuice said:

You would think some people here on the org will never be happy with any future releases unless Prince himself comes back from the dead to oversee its release. I hardly think JayZ is able to walk down the vault isles with a shopping trolly and drop anything he wants into it. Prince had a plan with the HNR series and from what it looks like is they are compilations of orphaned songs working backwards in time. HNR3 was probably set for outtakes from mid 10's upto 2010 or so.

So it will either be HNR3 or there is an album there that was being worked on. I doubt very much it will be a Crystal Ball type compilation of outtakes from 96 onwards.


that was my first thought too nod


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Reply #69 posted 05/12/18 5:33am

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TheFman said:


Where does that untalented overrated cheating piece of crap thinks he gets even get to be close to P's stuff?



that's not even close to a sentence but you catch my drift razz



Oh, FFS. I'm nowhere near a JAY-Z stan, but let's look at it pragmatically (and leave the "bloated streaming statistics" allegations out of this particular situation):



1) Prince had an exclusive streaming deal with Tidal before his passing, barring WB-era stuff.


2) upon Prince's death (whether it was right or wrong), Tidal released almost all of '96- (then) present-day released material. Tidal didn't get that audio out of thin air, especially the NPGMC stuff in the quality that was streamed. Prince provided it to them somehow. The fact that Tidal may or may not have released it without consent is of no consequence because we don't know what the actual contract or agreement stated. It very well could have been a handshake deal where P told Jay that he very well could have done whatever he wanted with the music in terms of streaming at a certain time. I have my suspicions that the plan was to release the discography on Tidal June 7, 2016 as a birthday surprise - even though he didn't celebrate, but actually "celebrated" at Paisley from time to time.


3) There were also deals in place to release P&M and BITNB (most likely on Tidal initially), so obviously P trusted Jay and Tidal.



The only ones that complained about the deal with Tidal were the ones that are currently fighting among themselves, while putting out their own ego-driven material (as much as I may have somewhat enjoyed John L's album, let's keep it real: no one would care about a Joseph Jackson album - even if it were produced by Tito) and hiring other singers to perform their brother's music.



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[Edited 5/11/18 13:25pm]



[b]Well Said! I subscribed to Tidal because of Prince, but Prince is not why I stayed. I wish there was a section exclusively in Tidal for the Vault material. From this, Spotify, Apple and hard copy record producing labels could cherry pick the most profitable stuff. Tidal is for people who love music and want higher quality sound... the type of enthusiasts Prince inspired.
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Reply #70 posted 05/12/18 5:33am

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I think I worry more about whether or not Tidal will be around in 2019 to release anything at all.
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Reply #71 posted 05/12/18 5:36am

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It's highly likely Jay-Z is choosing from a batch of later tracks (likely continuations of Prince's HitnRun series)presented to him by the Estate.

I hardly think Jay-Z is wandering around in the vault picking whatever he likes. Please.

And there is no suggestion the songs will be remixed. In fact, Jay-Z's comment indicates the opposite if you actually bother to READ the article before commenting (And crying. Or both.).

Some of you are too blinded with prejudice to see the potential here and on the only streaming platform Prince approved in his lifetime.

I guess you're all good with Spotify though? And then you want to talk about respecting Prince's wishes and legacy? BS. This is all about your whims and preferences. It has no connection to any statements or ethics Prince espoused at all.
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Reply #72 posted 05/12/18 5:50am

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Doozer said:

I think I worry more about whether or not Tidal will be around in 2019 to release anything at all.


nod lol

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Reply #73 posted 05/12/18 6:25am

darkroman

I'm a little disappointed this thread is on page three already and we don't have a plethora of over excited and deluded, speculative tracklistings!


lol lol lol

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Reply #74 posted 05/12/18 7:05am

IstenSzek

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darkroman said:

I'm a little disappointed this thread is on page three already and we don't have a plethora of over excited and deluded, speculative tracklistings!


lol lol lol


omg! fake tracklists lol

let's see, if it's anything like HnR I and II, it would be 'old' tracks and a few new ones:


01: SAMEPAGEDIFFERENTBOOK
02: RUFFENOUGH(VOCAL)
03: FREEURSELF
04: BLACKCOTTONCANDY

05: FRIDAKAHLO
06: STANDUPSTEPBACK
07: GINGERBREADMAN
08: BOYFRIEND
09: INDIFFERENCE
10: AIN'TGONNAMISSUWHENURGONE
11: BUTTERFACE
12: KARMABOOMERANG

giggle






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Reply #75 posted 05/12/18 7:13am

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other possible inclusions

CHECKTHERECORD
CHAPTERNVERSE
LOVETHYWILLBDONE*


*(rerecorded for "the great gatsby")

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Reply #76 posted 05/12/18 7:17am

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If it's not Hit & Run Phase 3, I vote for Welcome 2 America. If it's newly compiled, I vote to add the song Welcome 2 America. Just sayin'... I want that song. wink

Regardless, count me as happy to get some WB material in September and some post WB stuff next year. I want it all. My only issue at this point is I want at least one of each every year.



[Edited 5/12/18 7:19am]

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Reply #77 posted 05/12/18 7:30am

NorthC

Yeah, they're not exactly overflooding the market...
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Reply #78 posted 05/12/18 7:59am

leadline

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Good. Hopefully this finally resolves speculation here about any wrongdoing on Tidal's part. Far from having to remove music or be penalised, Tidal are receiving an additional album of unreleased music.


It doesn't exonerate Tidal from anything, all it does is say that the estate had a price for forgiveness.

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Reply #79 posted 05/12/18 8:06am

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leadline said:

OperatingThetan said:

Good. Hopefully this finally resolves speculation here about any wrongdoing on Tidal's part. Far from having to remove music or be penalised, Tidal are receiving an additional album of unreleased music.


It doesn't exonerate Tidal from anything, all it does is say that the estate had a price for forgiveness.

I agree that it doesnt exonerate Tidal.

The problem for the Estate was Phaedra went over to the side of Tidal mostly because she needed to cover up her shady dealings and forged documents.

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Reply #80 posted 05/12/18 8:12am

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Even if this did happen there are folks here on the Org. that would still b*tch and complain about what songs were on the tracklist. biggrin

Rebeljuice said:

You would think some people here on the org will never be happy with any future releases unless Prince himself comes back from the dead to oversee its release. I hardly think JayZ is able to walk down the vault isles with a shopping trolly and drop anything he wants into it. Prince had a plan with the HNR series and from what it looks like is they are compilations of orphaned songs working backwards in time. HNR3 was probably set for outtakes from mid 10's upto 2010 or so.

So it will either be HNR3 or there is an album there that was being worked on. I doubt very much it will be a Crystal Ball type compilation of outtakes from 96 onwards.

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Reply #81 posted 05/12/18 8:54am

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I'd be interested to hear Phase 3 or whatever it will be if they don't mess around with the songs. They should have plenty of completed songs to pick from.

I'd be happy enough with a WB and Tidal/non-WB album every year (even better if a live album/DVD/BD was released too).

U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took.
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Reply #82 posted 05/12/18 9:17am

Strive

I don't get why everybody's so down on this news.

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Saying that Jay-Z is involved in the song selection is probably nothing more than a publicity stunt. That or the estate is planning on giving him a usb stick full of songs without a home and say "here pick your favorites & sequence them" ... which isn't much different than what Prince use to do. Everybody loved HITNRUN Part 2 but it was a mishmash of misfit songs. lol

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Fans have to let go of this idea that we should only get Prince compiled projects. It's cool that we're getting late era material so soon.

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Reply #83 posted 05/12/18 9:47am

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Strive said:

I don't get why everybody's so down on this news.


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Saying that Jay-Z is involved in the song selection is probably nothing more than a publicity stunt. That or the estate is planning on giving him a usb stick full of songs without a home and say "here pick your favorites & sequence them" ... which isn't much different than what Prince use to do. Everybody loved HITNRUN Part 2 but it was a mishmash of misfit songs. lol


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Fans have to let go of this idea that we should only get Prince compiled projects. It's cool that we're getting late era material so soon.


Jay_Z has got absolutely nothing to do with Prince. Of course from now on, someone else is going to compile the albums, but it should be someone who knows Prince's work and, maybe, worked with him. For the later years that would be... Josh Welton? Yes, even he would be better! (As long as he leaves the tracks alone.)
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Reply #84 posted 05/12/18 9:59am

DBW

I hope that they also sell it in stores on CD format. I like to have the art work, CD package. I'm ol' school like that. Tangible objects!

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Reply #85 posted 05/12/18 10:46am

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fabriziovenerandi said:

And, btw, another example that BartVanHemelen's statement about "nobody has interest in recent Prince's songs" is a hoax.

Who gives a stuff what that cretin thinks.

The Spooky Electric.
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Reply #86 posted 05/12/18 10:48am

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DBW said:

I hope that they also sell it in stores on CD format. I like to have the art work, CD package. I'm ol' school like that. Tangible objects!


The report does talk about a physical release.
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Reply #87 posted 05/12/18 11:01am

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A guy who lives in Minneapolis has just posted this on his FB page ?

"1 june 2018.....Piano and microphone stay tune;)"

Supposed to be released by WBR

https://www.facebook.com/...462400828/
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Reply #88 posted 05/12/18 11:39am

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Wolves in sheep clothing. hmm

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Reply #89 posted 05/12/18 12:35pm

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Good Dick and a Job is coming people. The earthquake is coming to an earhole near u.

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