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Prince's death Investigation Discussion - Continued - Part 10

Other thread has gotten wayy too long. The discussion will continue here.



Do not derail the thread, stick to the topic. TROLLING will be dealt with harshly.


Be civil. All rules apply.

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Carver County Sheriff's Office link: https://www.co.carver.mn....estigation


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Reply #1 posted 05/08/18 10:17am

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Is there anything else to say?
Unless some documents, video or a confession happens, there will be no change.
It’s fair to assume anything incriminating would have been found by now. Anyone benefiting from contributing to P’s death is going to remain silent except for maybe a deathbed confession. Rest In Peace Prince.
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Reply #2 posted 05/08/18 10:26am

Strawberrylova
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Michael Dean/princepodcast will be interviewing chazz Smith tomorrow
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Reply #3 posted 05/08/18 11:35am

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MMJ posted this in Part 9. Thanks for posting this, MMJ, and I think there is another storm yet to come! I don't think we will ever see the end of this. neutral

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MMJas said:

Just came across this, this morning.

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/421/017/009/prince-homicide-grand-jury-investigation-demanded/

"The red flags that we noted include:

1.Failure to take control of and secure Paisley Park until all evidence gathering had been completed – this gave sufficient time for the crime scene to be tampered with, staged (pills and money spread in various locations in Paisley Park), and documents and other evidence destroyed and removed from Paisley Park by parties who sought to cover up;

2.Failure to remove and control all computers and laptops that Prince actively used. Investigators did not remove a laptop that they saw in Prince's bedroom until five days after Prince's death. Again, this gave ample time for email correspondence and files to be deleted by parties who sought to cover up;

3.Failure to take fingerprints of Prince and fingerprints on pills, money and other items at Paisley Park, and investigators touching evidence without wearing gloves;

4.Failure to probe discrepancies in statements provided by witnesses who were present when Prince passed out on the plane from the Atlanta concert, and deferential treatment, including leading and suggesting answers to a witness;

5.Failure to probe an Associate's disclosure that he removed prescribed medication that Prince said was not working for him but could not recall what he did with the medication;

6.Failure to examine the background of various parties that are relevant to the investigation. For example, the drug use history and drugs held by all relevant parties should have been probed;

7.Failure to determine if there had been malfeasance and fraud going on regarding Paisley Park and Prince's assets that may have motivated any party to cause him harm – the spread of cash around Paisley Park, and an employee carrying significant cash belonging to Paisley Park in her handbag suggests laxity in internal controls that could facilitate malfeasance;

8.Failure to examine legal agreements, past and ongoing lawsuits, domestic and international business arrangements, and financial records for evidence of any party that may have been motivated to cause Prince harm. For instance, Prince had a very well documented contentious relationship with a music industry firm. He had engaged in a protracted legal battle and regained control of the master recording copyright of his music in April 2014. This caused considerable anxiety for the executives of the music industry firm.

9.Failure to investigate a CNN report on the morning of April 21, 2016, that gunshots were heard at Paisley Park and believed to involve a Paisley Park employee. All information of this report was deleted from the internet.

10.Failure to follow-up on leads provided by relatives, close friends, and former managers and staff of Paisley Park who reached out to investigators.

11.Failure to properly gather all evidence relevant to the investigation before cremation of the decedent. Prince was cremated 29 hours after he was found dead. According to the FAQ section on the cremationsocietyofmn.com website, "the county Medical Examiner typically takes 2-3 business days to approve cremation…. The only delay would be if a Medical Examiner deemed it necessary to investigate the death or question the cause of death."

12.Failure to establish without a shadow of doubt that Prince himself administered the fatal dose of fentanyl that killed him. Despite an ongoing investigation, the Carver County Medical Examiner deemed Prince's cause of death as "decedent self-administered fentanyl overdose".

What do you guys make of this?

Absolutely SHOCKED..

NO FINGERPRINTS WHAT ???????

The rest of it we have all questioned ourselves at one time or another since the beginning of this Thread Part 1...

But isnt it too late now ?

Evidence has been tampered with..

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #4 posted 05/08/18 11:44am

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UPDATE: This quote is taken from the petition, for those who can't read! rolleyes

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https://www.thepetitionsi...-demanded/


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I totally agree with this!!

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It is believed he could have been dead for more than six hours prior to his discovery, therefore, considering that fentanyl has a half-life of 6-24 hours and continues to metabolize after death, could the level of fentanyl in Prince's body have been more astronomical at time of death than the high level found at autopsy 30 hours later?

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This would suggest that the potential cause of death should be "homicide by fentanyl toxicity"! The Medical Examiner's report that the decedent self-administered a fatal fentanyl dose as cause of death while there was an active investigation by the Sheriff's Office and DEA is questionable and not considered "standard protocol".

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The reported high level of fentanyl toxicity that apparently killed Prince also raises questions about why the Sherriff's officers, emergency services staff, and Paisley Park employees were able to handle Prince's body without protective Haz-Mat wear.

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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eek eek

[Edited 5/8/18 17:18pm]

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Reply #5 posted 05/08/18 12:21pm

disch

We've discussed the whole hazmat urban myth many times.

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Short answer: Fentanyl, like all opioids, doesn't absorb through the skin (unless special absorption agents are added, as they are with the prescription patches, and even then absorption is very gradual).

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Handling fentanyl pills (or touching someone who ODed) with bare hands is not a risk. Here's a good explanation of it from a Stanford anesthesiologist:

http://reason.com/blog/20...nt-kill-yo

"No, fentanyl is not dangerous to touch. Transdermal fentanyl patches deliver fentanyl across the skin, but they require special absorption enhancers because the skin is an excellent barrier to fentanyl (and all other opioids). However, it is readily absorbed through mucus membranes, so snorted, rubbed in the mouth, or swallowed are all effective ways of administering fentanyl."

cloveringold85 said:

I totally agree with this!!

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It is believed he could have been dead for more than six hours prior to his discovery, therefore, considering that fentanyl has a half-life of 6-24 hours and continues to metabolize after death, could the level of fentanyl in Prince's body have been more astronomical at time of death than the high level found at autopsy 30 hours later?

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This would suggest that the potential cause of death should be "homicide by fentanyl toxicity"! The Medical Examiner's report that the decedent self-administered a fatal fentanyl dose as cause of death while there was an active investigation by the Sheriff's Office and DEA is questionable and not considered "standard protocol".

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The reported high level of fentanyl toxicity that apparently killed Prince also raises questions about why the Sherriff's officers, emergency services staff, and Paisley Park employees were able to handle Prince's body without protective Haz-Mat wear.

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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eek eek

[Edited 5/8/18 12:21pm]

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Reply #6 posted 05/08/18 12:26pm

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Ok. I don't get why I was told to post that online petition here. I already did. The new thread was for highlighting that petition and making it easier for everyone to read and, if so inclined, sign the petition. But whatever.

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Reply #7 posted 05/08/18 1:07pm

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MMJas said:

Ok. I don't get why I was told to post that online petition here. I already did. The new thread was for highlighting that petition and making it easier for everyone to read and, if so inclined, sign the petition. But whatever.

kk

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Reply #8 posted 05/08/18 2:07pm

disch

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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cloveringold85 said:

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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eek eek

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Reply #9 posted 05/08/18 2:16pm

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disch said:

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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cloveringold85 said:

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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eek eek

are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!

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Reply #10 posted 05/08/18 2:47pm

disch

haha not sure if you're directing that at me, but I'm certainly not suggesting that! No, I think he swallowed the pills on his own volition, with no one forcing him to, not knowing they contained the fatal fentanyl dose.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!

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Reply #11 posted 05/08/18 3:19pm

cloveringold85

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disch said:

We've discussed the whole hazmat urban myth many times.

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Short answer: Fentanyl, like all opioids, doesn't absorb through the skin (unless special absorption agents are added, as they are with the prescription patches, and even then absorption is very gradual).

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Handling fentanyl pills (or touching someone who ODed) with bare hands is not a risk. Here's a good explanation of it from a Stanford anesthesiologist:

http://reason.com/blog/20...nt-kill-yo

"No, fentanyl is not dangerous to touch. Transdermal fentanyl patches deliver fentanyl across the skin, but they require special absorption enhancers because the skin is an excellent barrier to fentanyl (and all other opioids). However, it is readily absorbed through mucus membranes, so snorted, rubbed in the mouth, or swallowed are all effective ways of administering fentanyl."

cloveringold85 said:

I totally agree with this!!

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It is believed he could have been dead for more than six hours prior to his discovery, therefore, considering that fentanyl has a half-life of 6-24 hours and continues to metabolize after death, could the level of fentanyl in Prince's body have been more astronomical at time of death than the high level found at autopsy 30 hours later?

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This would suggest that the potential cause of death should be "homicide by fentanyl toxicity"! The Medical Examiner's report that the decedent self-administered a fatal fentanyl dose as cause of death while there was an active investigation by the Sheriff's Office and DEA is questionable and not considered "standard protocol".

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The reported high level of fentanyl toxicity that apparently killed Prince also raises questions about why the Sherriff's officers, emergency services staff, and Paisley Park employees were able to handle Prince's body without protective Haz-Mat wear.

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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eek eek

[Edited 5/8/18 12:21pm]

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Okay then, thanks! wink

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Reply #12 posted 05/08/18 3:20pm

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MMJas said:

Ok. I don't get why I was told to post that online petition here. I already did. The new thread was for highlighting that petition and making it easier for everyone to read and, if so inclined, sign the petition. But whatever.

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MMJ: I'm sorry, I saw you posted it in the last thread (#9), but it got too long and was locked, so I thought I would post it here, in case some did not see it and perhaps wanted to discuss further. confused neutral

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Reply #13 posted 05/08/18 3:22pm

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littlemissG said:

Is there anything else to say? Unless some documents, video or a confession happens, there will be no change. It’s fair to assume anything incriminating would have been found by now. Anyone benefiting from contributing to P’s death is going to remain silent except for maybe a deathbed confession. Rest In Peace Prince.

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The authorities stated the investigation is closed, unless new information develops.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #14 posted 05/08/18 3:23pm

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disch said:

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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cloveringold85 said:

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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eek eek

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Those aren't my words -- it's from the petition.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #15 posted 05/08/18 4:33pm

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!

No disch...this question was directed at Cloverandgold85 who specifically lamented that the police had not proven that Prince took the fatal dose himself...you can't make this c--- up.

cloveringold85 said:

The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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[Edited 5/8/18 16:35pm]

[Edited 5/8/18 16:35pm]

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Reply #16 posted 05/08/18 5:21pm

cloveringold85

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!

No disch...this question was directed at Cloverandgold85 who specifically lamented that the police had not proven that Prince took the fatal dose himself...you can't make this c--- up.

cloveringold85 said:

The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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[Edited 5/8/18 16:35pm]

[Edited 5/8/18 16:35pm]

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Do you need prescription glasses? I said....That quote was taken from the petition (MMJ posted), and I said they weren't MY words! Capisce??

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You obviously did not bother to read the previous comment I made to Disch. Why are you trying to stir the pot?? eek confused

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rolleyes rolleyes

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[Edited 5/8/18 17:55pm]

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Reply #17 posted 05/08/18 6:29pm

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Bodhitheblackdog said:



disch said:


But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.


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cloveringold85 said:



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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.



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eek eek





are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!





Prince took the pill himself, as explained in JH’s transcript (zip 5 at bottom) same pills in the Bayer bottle on the plane is what was at PP. they were even identified through the “visual testing” done at the hospital in moline. he even argued that “mixing the 2” is what caused him to “fall asleep “. This transcript goes into a lot more detail. I said from the beginning that he took the illicit pills on the plane. He said his soul left him, and had revealed what happened, but the detective shut JH down when he asked JH “anything else Prince said? And you don’t have to go into the spiritual stuff and what not”. Sounds like he had an NDE and I personally would’ve wanted ESPECIALLY to hear of the spiritual things he experienced.
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Reply #18 posted 05/08/18 6:54pm

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precioux said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:



disch said:


But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.


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cloveringold85 said:



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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.



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eek eek





are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!





Prince took the pill himself, as explained in JH’s transcript (zip 5 at bottom) same pills in the Bayer bottle on the plane is what was at PP. they were even identified through the “visual testing” done at the hospital in moline. he even argued that “mixing the 2” is what caused him to “fall asleep “. This transcript goes into a lot more detail. I said from the beginning that he took the illicit pills on the plane. He said his soul left him, and had revealed what happened, but the detective shut JH down when he asked JH “anything else Prince said? And you don’t have to go into the spiritual stuff and what not”. Sounds like he had an NDE and I personally would’ve wanted ESPECIALLY to hear of the spiritual things he experienced.

But he wasn't clinically dead, you only have a near death experience if your heart stops and breathing stops
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Reply #19 posted 05/08/18 7:03pm

laytonian

disch said:

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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cloveringold85 said:

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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eek eek

Exactly. This petition is embarrassing and worthless.
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The ONLY person who could be convicted of murder would be the producer of the fake pills, and that's undetermined. The people who worked for Prince, who maybe abetted his search for drugs, are NOT guilty of anything but misdemeanors.
The stupidity about handling his body because of the fentanyl has been refuted. Did the petitioner even bother to look things up (rhetorical).

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People: IF new information surfaces that implicates anyone, the case will be reopened. "DEMANDING" is just silly because there's no further information right now.

There is no statute of limitations on death investigations.

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It's likely he took fentanyl before the Moline incident, didn't realize WHY he'd almost died. It got out of his system, he took some of the regular prescription drugs (which were found in his urine), and then reached for that "wrong bottle" because it was probably handy.

Just a fucking, sad, useless mess.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #20 posted 05/08/18 7:22pm

laytonian

9. Failure to investigate a CNN report on the morning of April 21, 2016, that gunshots were heard at Paisley Park and believed to involve a Paisley Park employee. All information of this report was deleted from the internet.


BS. CNN transcripts do not disappear from the internet. There's another idiotic petition online claiming that the report of shots was by Wolf Blitzer (a petition so stupid that no one else will sign it!)
So I went looking for CNN's 4/21/16 transcripts of the Wolf Blitzer coverage and guess what! There IS a mention of a "shot".

http://transcripts.cnn.co...om.02.html

I hate to disappoint the armchair detectives but it's actually about things being shot at Paisley Park.

Like videos. Like movies.

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So there you go.



Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #21 posted 05/08/18 7:22pm

precioux

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said:





Prince took the pill himself, as explained in JH’s transcript (zip 5 at bottom) same pills in the Bayer bottle on the plane is what was at PP. they were even identified through the “visual testing” done at the hospital in moline. he even argued that “mixing the 2” is what caused him to “fall asleep “. This transcript goes into a lot more detail. I said from the beginning that he took the illicit pills on the plane. He said his soul left him, and had revealed what happened, but the detective shut JH down when he asked JH “anything else Prince said? And you don’t have to go into the spiritual stuff and what not”. Sounds like he had an NDE and I personally would’ve wanted ESPECIALLY to hear of the spiritual things he experienced.

But he wasn't clinically dead, you only have a near death experience if your heart stops and breathing stops



I’m just repeating what Prince said. The ambulance also supposedly stopped to be able to “take a picture of his heart” because the ride was too rough. JH was so worried because he looked “dead” ..she said he did not “faint”. I was also wondering what she meant when she stated they “hit him” the first time. It almost sounded like she was referring to using the paddles, but then she said he came around after hitting him a second time, so I’m sure she was talking about the Narcan. That transcript is more in depth and really showed how much denial he was in. It astounded me.

Not to get totally off track, but people have reported leaving their bodies when they were not clinically dead. One example is that little boy who the movie “Heaven is real” was made after. He was seriously ill and his heart never stopped beating. I have to make sure that’s the name of the movie..
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precioux said:

Strawberrylova123 said:


But he wasn't clinically dead, you only have a near death experience if your heart stops and breathing stops



I’m just repeating what Prince said. The ambulance also supposedly stopped to be able to “take a picture of his heart” because the ride was too rough. JH was so worried because he looked “dead” ..she said he did not “faint”. I was also wondering what she meant when she stated they “hit him” the first time. It almost sounded like she was referring to using the paddles, but then she said he came around after hitting him a second time, so I’m sure she was talking about the Narcan. That transcript is more in depth and really showed how much denial he was in. It astounded me.

Not to get totally off track, but people have reported leaving their bodies when they were not clinically dead. One example is that little boy who the movie “Heaven is real” was made after. He was seriously ill and his heart never stopped beating. I have to make sure that’s the name of the movie..
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I dont work as a emt but how does a person take picture of someone's heart???
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Reply #23 posted 05/08/18 9:16pm

80tomato

they probably had him hooked up to a heart monitor and the picture is what they see on the monitor

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Reply #24 posted 05/08/18 10:43pm

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delete
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Reply #25 posted 05/08/18 11:16pm

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PRINCE HOMICIDE: Grand Jury investigation DEMANDED

  • by: EMandisa S
  • target: Local and Federal Law Enforcement
871 SUPPORTERS
1,500 GOAL

Mark Metz, County Attorney
Carver County Attorney's Office
604 East Fourth Street
Chaska MN 55318

Dear Mark Metz,


We the undersigned and the signatories to this Petition are writing to respectfully petition that a Grand Jury investigation be undertaken to uncover the complete truth about the death of Prince Rogers Nelson (aka "Prince") whose sad and untimely demise occurred on April 21, 2016.

The Grand Jury investigation will enable relevant parties to be subpoenaed and cross-examined under oath by experienced prosecutors.


On April 19, 2018, we heard the Carver County Attorney, Mark Metz, announce at the press conference held at the Carver County Justice Center the closure of the investigation and that no charges would be filed in relation to the death of Prince.

We noted that Dr. Schulenberg has agreed to pay $30,000 in a civil settlement with the U.S. Attorney's Office for violation of the Controlled Substances Act due to his prescription of a controlled medication under Kirk Johnson's name for Prince.

We also noted that Andrew Kornfeld, was not castigated for violating the Controlled Substances Act. Although he is not a medical doctor, he carried, interstate from California to Minnesota, a controlled substance that he was not authorized to handle or administer and then sought to protect himself by using the "Good Samaritan" law to call 911.

We have reviewed the investigation documents released by Carver County and identified several red flags in the investigation documents and photos taken at Paisley Park. We believe that the investigation was not properly handled.

The red flags indicate that the complexity of the case was beyond the capacity and expertise of the Carver County investigators. The red flags also indicate that the investigation was severely compromised; therefore, Prince has unfairly been denied justice.

The red flags that we noted include:

1.Failure to take control of and secure Paisley Park until all evidence gathering had been completed – this gave sufficient time for the crime scene to be tampered with, staged (pills and money spread in various locations in Paisley Park), and documents and other evidence destroyed and removed from Paisley Park by parties who sought to cover up;

2.Failure to remove and control all computers and laptops that Prince actively used. Investigators did not remove a laptop that they saw in Prince's bedroom until five days after Prince's death. Again, this gave ample time for email correspondence and files to be deleted by parties who sought to cover up;

3.Failure to take fingerprints of Prince and fingerprints on pills, money and other items at Paisley Park, and investigators touching evidence without wearing gloves;

4.Failure to probe discrepancies in statements provided by witnesses who were present when Prince passed out on the plane from the Atlanta concert, and deferential treatment, including leading and suggesting answers to a witness;

5.Failure to probe an Associate's disclosure that he removed prescribed medication that Prince said was not working for him but could not recall what he did with the medication;

6.Failure to examine the background of various parties that are relevant to the investigation. For example, the drug use history and drugs held by all relevant parties should have been probed;

7.Failure to determine if there had been malfeasance and fraud going on regarding Paisley Park and Prince's assets that may have motivated any party to cause him harm – the spread of cash around Paisley Park, and an employee carrying significant cash belonging to Paisley Park in her handbag suggests laxity in internal controls that could facilitate malfeasance;

8.Failure to examine legal agreements, past and ongoing lawsuits, domestic and international business arrangements, and financial records for evidence of any party that may have been motivated to cause Prince harm. For instance, Prince had a very well documented contentious relationship with a music industry firm. He had engaged in a protracted legal battle and regained control of the master recording copyright of his music in April 2014. This caused considerable anxiety for the executives of the music industry firm.

9.Failure to investigate a CNN report on the morning of April 21, 2016, that gunshots were heard at Paisley Park and believed to involve a Paisley Park employee. All information of this report was deleted from the internet.

10.Failure to follow-up on leads provided by relatives, close friends, and former managers and staff of Paisley Park who reached out to investigators.

11.Failure to properly gather all evidence relevant to the investigation before cremation of the decedent. Prince was cremated 29 hours after he was found dead. According to the FAQ section on the cremationsocietyofmn.com website, "the county Medical Examiner typically takes 2-3 business days to approve cremation…. The only delay would be if a Medical Examiner deemed it necessary to investigate the death or question the cause of death."

12.Failure to establish without a shadow of doubt that Prince himself administered the fatal dose of fentanyl that killed him. Despite an ongoing investigation, the Carver County Medical Examiner deemed Prince's cause of death as "decedent self-administered fentanyl overdose".

The Medical Examiner, in this case, is considered a "fentanyl expert" with multiple articles on fentanyl appearing in JAMA. A simple hair follicle test would have established if Prince was a long-term fentanyl user and provided a timeline of fentanyl use going back three months, if such use had occurred. This is a fact one would assume "a fentanyl expert" would know and consider administering during an autopsy.

The Medical Examiner reported that the Fentanyl level in Prince's blood was 67.8 mcg, which is almost 17 times the normal level of 3 to 5 mcg for cancer patients! This high level was discovered during an autopsy examination which occurred 24 hours after Prince was found.

It is believed he could have been dead for more than six hours prior to his discovery, therefore, considering that fentanyl has a half-life of 6-24 hours and continues to metabolize after death, could the level of fentanyl in Prince's body have been more astronomical at time of death than the high level found at autopsy 30 hours later? This would suggest that the potential cause of death should be "homicide by fentanyl toxicity"! The Medical Examiner's report that the decedent self-administered a fatal fentanyl dose as cause of death while there was an active investigation by the Sheriff's Office and DEA is questionable and not considered "standard protocol".

The reported high level of fentanyl toxicity that apparently killed Prince also raises questions about why the Sherriff's officers, emergency services staff, and Paisley Park employees were able to handle Prince's body without protective Haz-Mat wear.

The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

There is ample evidence to support the fact that Prince had several plans which do not support the narrative that he may have taken his own life. Prince was working with a new band with young musicians on a new album; he released a new album and a song from an upcoming new album; started writing his memoirs for a book which the publisher will release later this year; ordered several new shoes for his Summer tour; received a brand new piano from Yamaha, and a new custom guitar; asked the Musical Director who did orchestral compositions for his albums to block time on his calendar in the Summer so they could work on a new Minneapolis sound following the release of his song "Baltimore"; renovated the Sound Stage at Paisley Park to host his solo 'Piano And A Microphone' concert and planned concerts for various artists; was mentoring several young musicians; and reached out to several previous colleagues.

We humbly request that the Carver County Prosecutor convene a Grand Jury, as soon as possible, to properly investigate Prince's death. All Prince's associates, employees, managers, tour managers, bodyguards, attorneys, relatives, ex-wives, girlfriends, proteges, musicians, close friends, business associates, vendors he collaborated with, and executives of music industry firms that Prince had contractual relationships with should be subpoenaed to testify under oath so that the true circumstances surrounding the untimely and unfortunate death of Prince can be determined without a shadow of doubt!

Anything less is unacceptable!
Otherwise, we are left with a very painful reminder that the State, City and community that Prince so loved abysmally failed to properly investigate his unfortunate passing and grant him the justice he so deserved. Thanks in advance for your kind cooperation and prompt attention to this matter!


Signed by the following who represent various "Truth and Justice for Prince" groups:


E. Mandisa Subira
Audrey Quaye
Francine Amato
Gloria Rott
Laura Veney

Tammy Lenon Young

Dorothy Anthony


Cc:
Sheriff Jim Olson
Carver County Sheriff's Office

Denny Laufenburger, Mayor
City of Chanhassen

Governor Mark Dayton
Office of Governor
State of Minnesota

Attorney General Lori Swanson
Office of the Attorney General
State of Minnesota

U.S. Attorney Gregory G. Brooker
The United States Attorney's Office
District of Minnesota

Brian K. McKnightSpecial Agent in Charge
US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
Minneapolis District Office

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https://www.thepetitionsi...-demanded/

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Reply #26 posted 05/09/18 3:46am

kmama07

precioux said:

Strawberrylova123 said:


But he wasn't clinically dead, you only have a near death experience if your heart stops and breathing stops



I’m just repeating what Prince said. The ambulance also supposedly stopped to be able to “take a picture of his heart” because the ride was too rough. JH was so worried because he looked “dead” ..she said he did not “faint”. I was also wondering what she meant when she stated they “hit him” the first time. It almost sounded like she was referring to using the paddles, but then she said he came around after hitting him a second time, so I’m sure she was talking about the Narcan. That transcript is more in depth and really showed how much denial he was in. It astounded me.

Not to get totally off track, but people have reported leaving their bodies when they were not clinically dead. One example is that little boy who the movie “Heaven is real” was made after. He was seriously ill and his heart never stopped beating. I have to make sure that’s the name of the movie..
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Yes. The name of the Movie is "Heaven is For Real"

Also, you hit the nail on the head: "That trNscript is more in depth and REALLY SHOWED HOW MUCH DENIAL HE WAS IN..."
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Reply #27 posted 05/09/18 3:52am

MMJas

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cloveringold85 said:

MMJas said:

Ok. I don't get why I was told to post that online petition here. I already did. The new thread was for highlighting that petition and making it easier for everyone to read and, if so inclined, sign the petition. But whatever.

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MMJ: I'm sorry, I saw you posted it in the last thread (#9), but it got too long and was locked, so I thought I would post it here, in case some did not see it and perhaps wanted to discuss further. confused neutral

No worries, I was talking about the mods closing the thread I created for the petition. Nevermind, it is not important.

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Reply #28 posted 05/09/18 4:32am

PennyPurple

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This thread should be a stickey!

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Reply #29 posted 05/09/18 5:38am

littlemissG

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I agree this should be investigated but no took Prince fingerprints or secured Paisley Park. It is saddenly too late unless the investigators get really really lucky and find enough to get a warrant on ???
No More Haters on the Internet.
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