Other thread has gotten wayy too long. The discussion will continue here.

Do not derail the thread, stick to the topic. TROLLING will be dealt with harshly.

Be civil. All rules apply.

Thanks.

Carver County Sheriff's Office link: https://www.co.carver.mn....estigation

WARNING: Do NOT post the death picture of Prince (blurred or not), show respect. Those that do will be dealt with harshly.

Press Conference video:
http://video.startribune....480279253/

MMJ posted this in Part 9. Thanks for posting this, MMJ, and I think there is another storm yet to come! I don't think we will ever see the end of this.

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MMJas said:

Just came across this, this morning.

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/421/017/009/prince-homicide-grand-jury-investigation-demanded/

"The red flags that we noted include:

1.Failure to take control of and secure Paisley Park until all evidence gathering had been completed – this gave sufficient time for the crime scene to be tampered with, staged (pills and money spread in various locations in Paisley Park), and documents and other evidence destroyed and removed from Paisley Park by parties who sought to cover up;

2.Failure to remove and control all computers and laptops that Prince actively used. Investigators did not remove a laptop that they saw in Prince's bedroom until five days after Prince's death. Again, this gave ample time for email correspondence and files to be deleted by parties who sought to cover up;

3.Failure to take fingerprints of Prince and fingerprints on pills, money and other items at Paisley Park, and investigators touching evidence without wearing gloves;

4.Failure to probe discrepancies in statements provided by witnesses who were present when Prince passed out on the plane from the Atlanta concert, and deferential treatment, including leading and suggesting answers to a witness;

5.Failure to probe an Associate's disclosure that he removed prescribed medication that Prince said was not working for him but could not recall what he did with the medication;

6.Failure to examine the background of various parties that are relevant to the investigation. For example, the drug use history and drugs held by all relevant parties should have been probed;

7.Failure to determine if there had been malfeasance and fraud going on regarding Paisley Park and Prince's assets that may have motivated any party to cause him harm – the spread of cash around Paisley Park, and an employee carrying significant cash belonging to Paisley Park in her handbag suggests laxity in internal controls that could facilitate malfeasance;

8.Failure to examine legal agreements, past and ongoing lawsuits, domestic and international business arrangements, and financial records for evidence of any party that may have been motivated to cause Prince harm. For instance, Prince had a very well documented contentious relationship with a music industry firm. He had engaged in a protracted legal battle and regained control of the master recording copyright of his music in April 2014. This caused considerable anxiety for the executives of the music industry firm.

9.Failure to investigate a CNN report on the morning of April 21, 2016, that gunshots were heard at Paisley Park and believed to involve a Paisley Park employee. All information of this report was deleted from the internet.

10.Failure to follow-up on leads provided by relatives, close friends, and former managers and staff of Paisley Park who reached out to investigators.

11.Failure to properly gather all evidence relevant to the investigation before cremation of the decedent. Prince was cremated 29 hours after he was found dead. According to the FAQ section on the cremationsocietyofmn.com website, "the county Medical Examiner typically takes 2-3 business days to approve cremation…. The only delay would be if a Medical Examiner deemed it necessary to investigate the death or question the cause of death."

12.Failure to establish without a shadow of doubt that Prince himself administered the fatal dose of fentanyl that killed him. Despite an ongoing investigation, the Carver County Medical Examiner deemed Prince's cause of death as "decedent self-administered fentanyl overdose".

What do you guys make of this?

Absolutely SHOCKED..

NO FINGERPRINTS WHAT ???????

The rest of it we have all questioned ourselves at one time or another since the beginning of this Thread Part 1...

But isnt it too late now ?

Evidence has been tampered with..

UPDATE: This quote is taken from the petition, for those who can't read!

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https://www.thepetitionsi...-demanded/

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I totally agree with this!!

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It is believed he could have been dead for more than six hours prior to his discovery, therefore, considering that fentanyl has a half-life of 6-24 hours and continues to metabolize after death, could the level of fentanyl in Prince's body have been more astronomical at time of death than the high level found at autopsy 30 hours later?

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This would suggest that the potential cause of death should be "homicide by fentanyl toxicity"! The Medical Examiner's report that the decedent self-administered a fatal fentanyl dose as cause of death while there was an active investigation by the Sheriff's Office and DEA is questionable and not considered "standard protocol".

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The reported high level of fentanyl toxicity that apparently killed Prince also raises questions about why the Sherriff's officers, emergency services staff, and Paisley Park employees were able to handle Prince's body without protective Haz-Mat wear.

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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We've discussed the whole hazmat urban myth many times.

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Short answer: Fentanyl, like all opioids, doesn't absorb through the skin (unless special absorption agents are added, as they are with the prescription patches, and even then absorption is very gradual).

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Handling fentanyl pills (or touching someone who ODed) with bare hands is not a risk. Here's a good explanation of it from a Stanford anesthesiologist:

http://reason.com/blog/20...nt-kill-yo

"No, fentanyl is not dangerous to touch. Transdermal fentanyl patches deliver fentanyl across the skin, but they require special absorption enhancers because the skin is an excellent barrier to fentanyl (and all other opioids). However, it is readily absorbed through mucus membranes, so snorted, rubbed in the mouth, or swallowed are all effective ways of administering fentanyl."

cloveringold85 said:

I totally agree with this!!

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It is believed he could have been dead for more than six hours prior to his discovery, therefore, considering that fentanyl has a half-life of 6-24 hours and continues to metabolize after death, could the level of fentanyl in Prince's body have been more astronomical at time of death than the high level found at autopsy 30 hours later?

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This would suggest that the potential cause of death should be "homicide by fentanyl toxicity"! The Medical Examiner's report that the decedent self-administered a fatal fentanyl dose as cause of death while there was an active investigation by the Sheriff's Office and DEA is questionable and not considered "standard protocol".

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The reported high level of fentanyl toxicity that apparently killed Prince also raises questions about why the Sherriff's officers, emergency services staff, and Paisley Park employees were able to handle Prince's body without protective Haz-Mat wear.

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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Ok. I don't get why I was told to post that online petition here. I already did. The new thread was for highlighting that petition and making it easier for everyone to read and, if so inclined, sign the petition. But whatever.

MMJas said:

Ok. I don't get why I was told to post that online petition here. I already did. The new thread was for highlighting that petition and making it easier for everyone to read and, if so inclined, sign the petition. But whatever.

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But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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cloveringold85 said:

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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disch said:

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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cloveringold85 said:

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!

haha not sure if you're directing that at me, but I'm certainly not suggesting that! No, I think he swallowed the pills on his own volition, with no one forcing him to, not knowing they contained the fatal fentanyl dose.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!

disch said:

We've discussed the whole hazmat urban myth many times.

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Short answer: Fentanyl, like all opioids, doesn't absorb through the skin (unless special absorption agents are added, as they are with the prescription patches, and even then absorption is very gradual).

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Handling fentanyl pills (or touching someone who ODed) with bare hands is not a risk. Here's a good explanation of it from a Stanford anesthesiologist:

http://reason.com/blog/20...nt-kill-yo

"No, fentanyl is not dangerous to touch. Transdermal fentanyl patches deliver fentanyl across the skin, but they require special absorption enhancers because the skin is an excellent barrier to fentanyl (and all other opioids). However, it is readily absorbed through mucus membranes, so snorted, rubbed in the mouth, or swallowed are all effective ways of administering fentanyl."

cloveringold85 said:

I totally agree with this!!

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It is believed he could have been dead for more than six hours prior to his discovery, therefore, considering that fentanyl has a half-life of 6-24 hours and continues to metabolize after death, could the level of fentanyl in Prince's body have been more astronomical at time of death than the high level found at autopsy 30 hours later?

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This would suggest that the potential cause of death should be "homicide by fentanyl toxicity"! The Medical Examiner's report that the decedent self-administered a fatal fentanyl dose as cause of death while there was an active investigation by the Sheriff's Office and DEA is questionable and not considered "standard protocol".

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The reported high level of fentanyl toxicity that apparently killed Prince also raises questions about why the Sherriff's officers, emergency services staff, and Paisley Park employees were able to handle Prince's body without protective Haz-Mat wear.

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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Okay then, thanks!

MMJas said:

Ok. I don't get why I was told to post that online petition here. I already did. The new thread was for highlighting that petition and making it easier for everyone to read and, if so inclined, sign the petition. But whatever.

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MMJ: I'm sorry, I saw you posted it in the last thread (#9), but it got too long and was locked, so I thought I would post it here, in case some did not see it and perhaps wanted to discuss further.

littlemissG said:

Is there anything else to say? Unless some documents, video or a confession happens, there will be no change. It’s fair to assume anything incriminating would have been found by now. Anyone benefiting from contributing to P’s death is going to remain silent except for maybe a deathbed confession. Rest In Peace Prince.

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The authorities stated the investigation is closed, unless new information develops.

disch said:

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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cloveringold85 said:

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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Those aren't my words -- it's from the petition.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!

No disch...this question was directed at Cloverandgold85 who specifically lamented that the police had not proven that Prince took the fatal dose himself...you can't make this c--- up.

cloveringold85 said:

The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!

No disch...this question was directed at Cloverandgold85 who specifically lamented that the police had not proven that Prince took the fatal dose himself...you can't make this c--- up.

cloveringold85 said:

The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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Do you need prescription glasses? I said....That quote was taken from the petition (MMJ posted), and I said they weren't MY words! Capisce??

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You obviously did not bother to read the previous comment I made to Disch. Why are you trying to stir the pot??

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

disch said:

But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.

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cloveringold85 said:

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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.

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Exactly. This petition is embarrassing and worthless.
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The ONLY person who could be convicted of murder would be the producer of the fake pills, and that's undetermined. The people who worked for Prince, who maybe abetted his search for drugs, are NOT guilty of anything but misdemeanors.
The stupidity about handling his body because of the fentanyl has been refuted. Did the petitioner even bother to look things up (rhetorical).

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People: IF new information surfaces that implicates anyone, the case will be reopened. "DEMANDING" is just silly because there's no further information right now.

There is no statute of limitations on death investigations.

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It's likely he took fentanyl before the Moline incident, didn't realize WHY he'd almost died. It got out of his system, he took some of the regular prescription drugs (which were found in his urine), and then reached for that "wrong bottle" because it was probably handy.

Just a fucking, sad, useless mess.

http://transcripts.cnn.co...om.02.html

I hate to disappoint the armchair detectives but it's actually about things being shot at Paisley Park.

Like videos. Like movies.

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So there you go.

Strawberrylova123 said:

precioux said:

they probably had him hooked up to a heart monitor and the picture is what they see on the monitor

PRINCE HOMICIDE: Grand Jury investigation DEMANDED

• by: EMandisa S
• target: Local and Federal Law Enforcement

https://www.thepetitionsi...-demanded/

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

MMJas said:

Ok. I don't get why I was told to post that online petition here. I already did. The new thread was for highlighting that petition and making it easier for everyone to read and, if so inclined, sign the petition. But whatever.

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MMJ: I'm sorry, I saw you posted it in the last thread (#9), but it got too long and was locked, so I thought I would post it here, in case some did not see it and perhaps wanted to discuss further.

No worries, I was talking about the mods closing the thread I created for the petition. Nevermind, it is not important.

This thread should be a stickey!