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Reply #30 posted 05/09/18 5:41am

littlemissG

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If the crime was for his fortune, an audit of all his holdings and deals up to his death is the beat bet. But I believe the estate would have to pay for it.
The best idea is follow the money.
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Reply #31 posted 05/09/18 7:56am

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yes yes Penny is 100% right...petition should be a stickey!

[Edited 5/9/18 8:24am]

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Reply #32 posted 05/09/18 8:01am

disch

What "crime" are you talking about? An assassination plot by someone to get at his money?

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littlemissG said:

If the crime was for his fortune, an audit of all his holdings and deals up to his death is the beat bet. But I believe the estate would have to pay for it. The best idea is follow the money.

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Reply #33 posted 05/09/18 8:18am

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Expect to see people pushing the murder aspect now. There's a campaign going on and donations to be had supporting it lol

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #34 posted 05/09/18 8:23am

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PennyPurple said:

This thread should be a stickey!

yes

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Reply #35 posted 05/09/18 9:07am

1Sasha

There are groups already out there in social media pushing the murder aspect. Really, who would benefit from that? Look at what is going on now with the estate. It's a mess, and whether it was suicide, accidental or murder, the same results would be seen.

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Reply #36 posted 05/09/18 9:32am

disch

exactly. If this was a murder plot, the plotters would have to have been clever enough to outsmart 2 years of investigation by local and federal agencies, but dumb enough to think this was a logical way to get their hands on Prince's millions.

1Sasha said:

There are groups already out there in social media pushing the murder aspect. Really, who would benefit from that? Look at what is going on now with the estate. It's a mess, and whether it was suicide, accidental or murder, the same results would be seen.

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Reply #37 posted 05/09/18 9:37am

1Sasha

Exactly!

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Reply #38 posted 05/09/18 9:44am

PurpleDiamonds
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Bodhitheblackdog said:



disch said:


But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.


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cloveringold85 said:



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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.



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eek eek





are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!


Prince had NO idea he was about to take those fentanyl laced pills....still IMO someone went out of their way to make the pills look like meds he was taking and has gotten away with it so far....
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Reply #39 posted 05/09/18 9:46am

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laytonian said:



disch said:


But is it the job of investigators to provide "irrefutable evidence" or prove things "beyond a shadow of a doubt"? I think they're tasked with finding enough evidence to allow the DA to pursue charges against a specific person(s). They didn't have enough evidence for that, per the DA.


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cloveringold85 said:



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The investigators woefully failed to provide us with irrefutable evidence that Prince himself took the fentanyl tablets that were labeled as Watson 853 (Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone) which caused his death. The tests that Dr. Schulenberg performed the day before Prince was found dead indicate that there was no fentanyl in his blood.



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eek eek






Exactly. This petition is embarrassing and worthless.
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The ONLY person who could be convicted of murder would be the producer of the fake pills, and that's undetermined. The people who worked for Prince, who maybe abetted his search for drugs, are NOT guilty of anything but misdemeanors.
The stupidity about handling his body because of the fentanyl has been refuted. Did the petitioner even bother to look things up (rhetorical).


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People: IF new information surfaces that implicates anyone, the case will be reopened. "DEMANDING" is just silly because there's no further information right now.


There is no statute of limitations on death investigations.


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It's likely he took fentanyl before the Moline incident, didn't realize WHY he'd almost died. It got out of his system, he took some of the regular prescription drugs (which were found in his urine), and then reached for that "wrong bottle" because it was probably handy.


Just a fucking, sad, useless mess.


The person that deliberately put the fake laced pills so P would take them should be charged as well as who the got them from
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Reply #40 posted 05/09/18 9:48am

PurpleDiamonds
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littlemissG said:

I agree this should be investigated but no took Prince fingerprints or secured Paisley Park. It is saddenly too late unless the investigators get really really lucky and find enough to get a warrant on ???

I agree...
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Reply #41 posted 05/09/18 9:52am

PurpleDiamonds
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disch said:

exactly. If this was a murder plot, the plotters would have to have been clever enough to outsmart 2 years of investigation by local and federal agencies, but dumb enough to think this was a logical way to get their hands on Prince's millions.



1Sasha said:


There are groups already out there in social media pushing the murder aspect. Really, who would benefit from that? Look at what is going on now with the estate. It's a mess, and whether it was suicide, accidental or murder, the same results would be seen.




Well the plotters fooled Prince...so yes they are criminal enough to have gotten away so far and look at the botched investigation...not ALL the evidence was collected and who knows what was discarded
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Reply #42 posted 05/09/18 9:55am

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!

Prince had NO idea he was about to take those fentanyl laced pills....still IMO someone went out of their way to make the pills look like meds he was taking and has gotten away with it so far....

? Street drugs are made to look like the real deal. That's the problem with buying off the street, you don't know if it's the real thing or poison being cut into them.

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Reply #43 posted 05/09/18 9:57am

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disch said:

What "crime" are you talking about? An assassination plot by someone to get at his money?


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littlemissG said:


If the crime was for his fortune, an audit of all his holdings and deals up to his death is the beat bet. But I believe the estate would have to pay for it. The best idea is follow the money.


If there were one. It shady that documents were shredded the day after he passed.
What was there to hide?
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Reply #44 posted 05/09/18 9:58am

MMJas

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

yes yes Penny is 100% right...petition should be a stickey!

[Edited 5/9/18 8:24am]

Wel, I created a seperate thread for it, so that people could sign the petition if they were so inclined, and that thread was closed and then I was redirected to this one. Go figure...

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Reply #45 posted 05/09/18 10:35am

1Sasha

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

exactly. If this was a murder plot, the plotters would have to have been clever enough to outsmart 2 years of investigation by local and federal agencies, but dumb enough to think this was a logical way to get their hands on Prince's millions.

Well the plotters fooled Prince...so yes they are criminal enough to have gotten away so far and look at the botched investigation...not ALL the evidence was collected and who knows what was discarded

I agree with you on the investigation. "Botched" is putting it mildly. I am stunned by what didn't happen.

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Reply #46 posted 05/09/18 10:40am

disch

i disgree that there's ANY evidence that there were people in prince's orbit who were both close enough to even potentially benefit financially by his death AND smart enough to execute a murder plot and get away with it. Just think about the cast of characters who fit criteria #1 and ask yourself if they really fit criteria #2.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

exactly. If this was a murder plot, the plotters would have to have been clever enough to outsmart 2 years of investigation by local and federal agencies, but dumb enough to think this was a logical way to get their hands on Prince's millions.

Well the plotters fooled Prince...so yes they are criminal enough to have gotten away so far and look at the botched investigation...not ALL the evidence was collected and who knows what was discarded

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Reply #47 posted 05/09/18 10:47am

Strawberrylova
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I'm surprised that they didn't interview Takumi and Bria
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Reply #48 posted 05/09/18 11:22am

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precioux said:

Strawberrylova123 said:
But he wasn't clinically dead, you only have a near death experience if your heart stops and breathing stops
I’m just repeating what Prince said. The ambulance also supposedly stopped to be able to “take a picture of his heart” because the ride was too rough. JH was so worried because he looked “dead” ..she said he did not “faint”. I was also wondering what she meant when she stated they “hit him” the first time. It almost sounded like she was referring to using the paddles, but then she said he came around after hitting him a second time, so I’m sure she was talking about the Narcan. That transcript is more in depth and really showed how much denial he was in. It astounded me. Not to get totally off track, but people have reported leaving their bodies when they were not clinically dead. One example is that little boy who the movie “Heaven is real” was made after. He was seriously ill and his heart never stopped beating. I have to make sure that’s the name of the movie.. [Edited 5/8/18 19:37pm]

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I was also stunned when they said that Prince's heart was only beating like 5 beats per minute! eek

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I know that movie you are speaking of, and it has happened to a lot of people (NDE). I'm pretty sure I had one, when I was around 8-10 years old. I had to have minor surgery, and I hate being put under anesthesia....anyways, I felt very strange while I was under and this voice in my head said "am i dying". It was a scary feeling for me. I hate that feeling of not being able to wake up. I don't even like going to the dentist and getting local anesthesia. I don't like the feeling of not being in control of my body.

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I remember Prince saying that he was fighting hard to come back. So sad. sad

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[Edited 5/9/18 11:22am]

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #49 posted 05/09/18 11:29am

LilaLiebe

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Reply #50 posted 05/09/18 11:37am

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It is beyond me that anyone thinks that this petition is worthless and embarrassing, after reading the investigation documents and seeing all the information that was left out of the public files.

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It's almost as if the authorities would rather sweep this under the carpet and have everyone just forget about it.

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The embarrassing part is how the authorities let so many people off the hook and did not investigate leads any further.

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This case has been handled so half-assed since the beginning!

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #51 posted 05/09/18 12:34pm

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disch said:

i disgree that there's ANY evidence that there were people in prince's orbit who were both close enough to even potentially benefit financially by his death AND smart enough to execute a murder plot and get away with it. Just think about the cast of characters who fit criteria #1 and ask yourself if they really fit criteria #2.



PurpleDiamonds1 said:


disch said:

exactly. If this was a murder plot, the plotters would have to have been clever enough to outsmart 2 years of investigation by local and federal agencies, but dumb enough to think this was a logical way to get their hands on Prince's millions.




Well the plotters fooled Prince...so yes they are criminal enough to have gotten away so far and look at the botched investigation...not ALL the evidence was collected and who knows what was discarded


One does stand out IMO...and it's Phaedra just look at her past.
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Reply #52 posted 05/09/18 12:43pm

disch

But Phaedra (or anyone) would have had to conspire with at least one other person (probably multiple) to actually carry out this plot. And ALL the conspirators would have to be clever enough to evade detection.

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I know these kind of successful murder plots seem common from TV and movies but in reality I think they're very very hard to pull off -- especially when your victim is a high-profile celeb with tons of media attention.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

i disgree that there's ANY evidence that there were people in prince's orbit who were both close enough to even potentially benefit financially by his death AND smart enough to execute a murder plot and get away with it. Just think about the cast of characters who fit criteria #1 and ask yourself if they really fit criteria #2.

One does stand out IMO...and it's Phaedra just look at her past.

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Reply #53 posted 05/09/18 12:57pm

kmama07

PennyPurple said:



PurpleDiamonds1 said:


Bodhitheblackdog said:


are you suggesting that parties unknown held Prince down and threw the pills down his throat and forced him to swallow them? did I miss reading about the bruises or other trauma on his body indicating he fought with his murderers? did his clothes get turned inside out during that struggle? including his socks? wow, he really fought for his life!



Prince had NO idea he was about to take those fentanyl laced pills....still IMO someone went out of their way to make the pills look like meds he was taking and has gotten away with it so far....

? Street drugs are made to look like the real deal. That's the problem with buying off the street, you don't know if it's the real thing or poison being cut into them.



Exactly. I don't believe someone knowingly planted fentanyl laced pills where Prince could get them. Prince did however (in my opinion) knowingly take pills that weren't prescribed by a doctor, thereby taking a chance on whether or not they were legit medication.
[Edited 5/9/18 12:58pm]
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Reply #54 posted 05/09/18 1:01pm

kmama07

disch said:

i disgree that there's ANY evidence that there were people in prince's orbit who were both close enough to even potentially benefit financially by his death AND smart enough to execute a murder plot and get away with it. Just think about the cast of characters who fit criteria #1 and ask yourself if they really fit criteria #2.



PurpleDiamonds1 said:


disch said:

exactly. If this was a murder plot, the plotters would have to have been clever enough to outsmart 2 years of investigation by local and federal agencies, but dumb enough to think this was a logical way to get their hands on Prince's millions.




Well the plotters fooled Prince...so yes they are criminal enough to have gotten away so far and look at the botched investigation...not ALL the evidence was collected and who knows what was discarded


Agree with you Disch
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Reply #55 posted 05/09/18 1:31pm

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disch said:

i disgree that there's ANY evidence that there were people in prince's orbit who were both close enough to even potentially benefit financially by his death AND smart enough to execute a murder plot and get away with it. Just think about the cast of characters who fit criteria #1 and ask yourself if they really fit criteria #2.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said: Well the plotters fooled Prince...so yes they are criminal enough to have gotten away so far and look at the botched investigation...not ALL the evidence was collected and who knows what was discarded

I agree

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Reply #56 posted 05/09/18 2:19pm

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9. Failure to investigate a CNN report on the morning of April 21, 2016, that gunshots were heard at Paisley Park and believed to involve a Paisley Park employee. All information of this report was deleted from the internet.


BS. CNN transcripts do not disappear from the internet. There's another idiotic petition online claiming that the report of shots was by Wolf Blitzer (a petition so stupid that no one else will sign it!)
So I went looking for CNN's 4/21/16 transcripts of the Wolf Blitzer coverage and guess what! There IS a mention of a "shot".

http://transcripts.cnn.co...om.02.html

I hate to disappoint the armchair detectives but it's actually about things being shot at Paisley Park.

Like videos. Like movies.

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So there you go.



Haha lol Assuming it's the same coverage previously referred to here. Unbelievably, multiple times?! Now who was it that kept bringing this up, reaffirming it? Oh yeah, laura frikkin richardson. "Shots were fired" damn it. confused

Jeez I think there's more chance of 'Wolf' Blitzer actually becoming a werewolf than this story ever materializing faint

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Reply #57 posted 05/09/18 2:24pm

leec1

Do we know why there are so many redacted files as mentioned in Part 8?

When I looked at the list, I see that there are statues listed next to each file.

The link to these files is below.

https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/itemized-data-withheld.pdf

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Reply #58 posted 05/09/18 3:25pm

disch

Here are Minnesota statutes 13.82 and 13.37 (referenced next to the redacted file names). The statutes basically say that some info can remain non-public if certain private info about a person would be revealed in it.

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Many of the file names reference statute 13.37 2(a), which says:

"The following government data is classified as nonpublic data with regard to data not on individuals, pursuant to section 13.02, subdivision 9, and as private data with regard to data on individuals, pursuant to section 13.02, subdivision 12: Security information; trade secret information; sealed absentee ballots prior to opening by an election judge; sealed bids, including the number of bids received, prior to the opening of the bids; parking space leasing data; and labor relations information, provided that specific labor relations information which relates to a specific labor organization is classified as protected nonpublic data pursuant to section

leec1 said:

Do we know why there are so many redacted files as mentioned in Part 8?

When I looked at the list, I see that there are statues listed next to each file.

The link to these files is below.

https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/itemized-data-withheld.pdf

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Reply #59 posted 05/09/18 3:34pm

Bodhitheblackd
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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

i disgree that there's ANY evidence that there were people in prince's orbit who were both close enough to even potentially benefit financially by his death AND smart enough to execute a murder plot and get away with it. Just think about the cast of characters who fit criteria #1 and ask yourself if they really fit criteria #2.

One does stand out IMO...and it's Phaedra just look at her past.

are we supposed to entertain the thought that Prince employees would commit a variety of crimes and risk prison to enable Tyka and his half-siblings to inherit more or faster? something here does NOT compute...

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