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Thread started 04/24/18 6:13pm

macaylasdad

April 21, 2016...Prince "doesn't" die...what happens next?

I think most "die" hard fans probably read the investigation reports that were released. I think most of us were stunned in how poor health Prince was in. The numbness and tingling feeling in his limbs was even more shocking. I am sure some of us have played out in our minds what might have happened if Prince survived April 21st.

There's no denying, he was addicted to opiates, but let's say he did get help to kick that habit... he still would of been in some form of pain that drove him down that path. I have often wondered if the Piano and Microphone tour wasn't a cover for some of what he was going through.

Would his physical declince stopped him from performing or worse... I am curious of your thoughts of what you think of what Prince's life and career would of been...

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Reply #1 posted 04/24/18 8:59pm

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macaylasdad said:

I think most "die" hard fans probably read the investigation reports that were released. I think most of us were stunned in how poor health Prince was in. The numbness and tingling feeling in his limbs was even more shocking. I am sure some of us have played out in our minds what might have happened if Prince survived April 21st.

There's no denying, he was addicted to opiates, but let's say he did get help to kick that habit... he still would of been in some form of pain that drove him down that path. I have often wondered if the Piano and Microphone tour wasn't a cover for some of what he was going through.

Would his physical declince stopped him from performing or worse... I am curious of your thoughts of what you think of what Prince's life and career would of been...

About 10 years ago, I had a serious hip injury. I was prescribed oxycontin to get through the pain. I don't smoke, drink very little, and never smoked weed. But oxycontin almost hooked me.

A little background: oxycontin (similar to what Prince was on) was hyped by Purdue Pharma as a 12-hour relief for pain. Except, it really wasn't- after 8 hours, you were back in pain, and usually worse so. So you either asked your doctor for more (and probably were told no), asked your doctor for a stronger prescription (which actually made the problem worse when the time was up), or looked for another source of relief (street drugs or bootleg medicine, which is probably how Prince got the bad pills).

In my case, I got lucky- a doctor found a treatment for my hip pain that at first eased my pain, and then eliminated it. And so, I got off the meds, and haven't had any reoccurence of pain since.

And I like to think that's what would have happened to Prince. Perhaps some physical therapy would have relieved his pain. Or perhaps he would have had to resort to injections in his hand.

It might not have worked out that way. Perhaps he wouldn't have been able to play the guitar again. But maybe he would have figured it out with a clearer head. This is a man with a patent on a keytar.

I think had he gotten help, the right help (relapse is always a possibility with narcotic addiction, even for a man like Prince), he would have figured out how to continue to create music. He just didn't get that chance, and my heart breaks whenever I think about it.

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Reply #2 posted 04/24/18 9:01pm

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If the hand pain number is a form of repetitive motion injury the first step is to stop making the repeat ice motion this perhaps for the first time in firrybpkus years no instratments. Perhaps corrective surgeries, perhaps all his heels are locked in a glass case and he doesn’t get a key. The very best thing would be he try’s new thing if he was indeed bored. Speak out about opioids to help solve the crisis, focus on charity interest, phography, producing others whoren’t doing his music. Buy a orchard and sell pies or make wine. Grow medical MJ if it takes care of the pain. one album from the vault every year for download or streaming. Let his hair go grey, don’t give a damn and be Prince Nelson the man, not the pop star.
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Reply #3 posted 04/24/18 9:51pm

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macaylasdad said:

I think most "die" hard fans probably read the investigation reports that were released. I think most of us were stunned in how poor health Prince was in.

NO.... Actually, I was QUITE SURPRISED how WELL he seemed to be outside of the problems with addiction. If you read all the the data, Prince actually made very few comments in regard to pain.

He mentions hand pain to Judith and he has a few problems he is seeing a chiropractor for but that's about it. I have to wonder if the numbness and tingling sensation was a real physical issue or partly due to him overdosing on the Fentanyl he didn't know he was taking.

It's also imporant to note that YES he was addicted to pain meds BUT there are no real signs that it was suddenly out of control. If the Fentanyl hadn't snuck in via the counterfeit pills, we'd all still be here on this site arguing back and forth over the rumors that Prince was even on pills today.

If Prince had made it, literally, just a few more short hours then he could have hopefully gotten the help he needed, gotten physical therapy, and had his ailments treated responsibly.

I have no doubt he would have gone on to make new music and perform, this time with a clear head.

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Reply #4 posted 04/25/18 7:14am

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Prince played sometimes two sets in one day.

Try playing the piano and singing for more than two hours for one show only, knowing that you're basically have to fight numbness due to opiods.

Thàt was quite a performance for a 57 yo guy, doing it all alone, knowing all the circumstances now.

Honestly? Amazing.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #5 posted 04/25/18 7:32am

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If he hadn't died, this place would have been a lot less crazy for the past two years.

RIP sad
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Reply #6 posted 04/25/18 10:58am

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I think he would have died the following week then. He saw what those pills did to him in Moline and it appears he took the same pills again 6 days later (based on how I understand all those reports). I just think he got in way over his head. I am not saying he planned suicide, but at the same time, it seems like he felt he was done on earth and there wasn't any way out. If he did the same thing twice in a week, I think he would have done it again.

In other words, unless someone had picked him up, strapped him in the car and chained him down in rehab, the end result was going to be the same. Just my opinion, as much as I don't like my own opinion.

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Reply #7 posted 04/25/18 11:56am

kmama07

iamafan said:

I think he would have died the following week then. He saw what those pills did to him in Moline and it appears he took the same pills again 6 days later (based on how I understand all those reports). I just think he got in way over his head. I am not saying he planned suicide, but at the same time, it seems like he felt he was done on earth and there wasn't any way out. If he did the same thing twice in a week, I think he would have done it again.



In other words, unless someone had picked him up, strapped him in the car and chained him down in rehab, the end result was going to be the same. Just my opinion, as much as I don't like my own opinion.


I'd have to agree.
Also, it would have been awesome to see price with grey/white hair.
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Reply #8 posted 04/25/18 12:01pm

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kmama07 said:

iamafan said:

I think he would have died the following week then. He saw what those pills did to him in Moline and it appears he took the same pills again 6 days later (based on how I understand all those reports). I just think he got in way over his head. I am not saying he planned suicide, but at the same time, it seems like he felt he was done on earth and there wasn't any way out. If he did the same thing twice in a week, I think he would have done it again.



In other words, unless someone had picked him up, strapped him in the car and chained him down in rehab, the end result was going to be the same. Just my opinion, as much as I don't like my own opinion.


I'd have to agree.
Also, it would have been awesome to see price with grey/white hair.

I read the reports. He was not telling the Moline doctor the truth. I think he knew he would never be were he wanted to be health wise no matter what.
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Reply #9 posted 04/25/18 5:12pm

luvsexy4all

God was telling him something after the first OD...he didnt listen

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Reply #10 posted 04/26/18 6:16am

margi

luvsexy4all said:

God was telling him something after the first OD...he didnt listen


I think he was tired, alone and lonely. He told Chris Moon just after PR, that he was lonely being famous and he couldn't trust anyone. Everyone wanted something from him. I think he felt that way all his professional life. Prince loved being in love and only young inexperienced women seem to catch his eye for reasons only he knew but they, due to their illusions and lack of life experience failed to keep a man of such intelligence interested, leaving him alone again. I am sure he wanted a loving relationship and companion but he had no role model to base what a real relationship means and what you have to both bring to the partnership to keep the love. He needed a mother to love him.
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Reply #11 posted 04/26/18 6:24am

2004Fan

I think you're spot on, Margi. sad

I am here! Where R U?! Gotta broken heart again...
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Reply #12 posted 04/26/18 7:41am

anangellooksdo
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2004Fan said:

I think you're spot on, Margi. sad



Agree.
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Reply #13 posted 04/26/18 7:44am

Purplebflogirl

margi said:

luvsexy4all said:

God was telling him something after the first OD...he didnt listen


I think he was tired, alone and lonely. He told Chris Moon just after PR, that he was lonely being famous and he couldn't trust anyone. Everyone wanted something from him. I think he felt that way all his professional life. Prince loved being in love and only young inexperienced women seem to catch his eye for reasons only he knew but they, due to their illusions and lack of life experience failed to keep a man of such intelligence interested, leaving him alone again. I am sure he wanted a loving relationship and companion but he had no role model to base what a real relationship means and what you have to both bring to the partnership to keep the love. He needed a mother to love him.

I agree..He needed true friends too
Until the end of time
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Reply #14 posted 04/26/18 7:50am

Identity

luvsexy4all said:

God was telling him something after the first OD...he didnt listen.


That still confounds me.


For what reason would a person keep taking medications that imperils his life, particularly after being given a second chance?

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Reply #15 posted 04/26/18 7:52am

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This is how I see it or wish to see it:

He gets to a recovery center like the one he had planned on going to
He detoxes safely with proper help while hearing 12 Step groups which come into the facility to share the what they have done for not only physical but also emotional wellness.

Being highly intelligent and a seeker, he is open to this.

He gets non-opiate or non-medication medical help for his physical pain, then upon leaving the treatment center finds a way to quietly attend 12 Step meetings. He works through his emotional issues too and grows. He works through his codependency also.

He becomes a greater mentor than ever but in a different way now too, still playing his music. He is MORE INTUITIVE than ever, and his songwriting and music show this.

He makes full apologies to Mayte and others in his past. He buys back from her all the shit he gave her which she is trying to sell because he can see she needs the money. This makes them both happy. Things like that he would do.

He is healthy in every way now including knowing what a real relationship is and after quite a long while of working on himself and being of use to others he is ready for a mature relationship. Does he get one? Maybe. Maybe not. But he is very content either way because he has a purpose. One beyond what he had in music, which will also be used in his music. 🙂🙏🏻💜
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Reply #16 posted 04/26/18 8:07am

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I also do think that in the last few years of Prince’s life, he did grow a lot in the way God could provide him with. I don’t know to what extent, but it continued after he passed.
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Reply #17 posted 04/26/18 8:50am

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If P did not die...

Maybe he released (part of) the piano stuff someway.

Then he would release another album, do another tour.

This tour would probably not have aftershows.

So what would be the point?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #18 posted 04/26/18 9:10am

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If he did not die, the first order of business is to get all the enablers out of his life so things do not go on as before. Next is realizing he shorten his performing days with drugs not extend them and perhaps work on real easing music from the vault while he is the one who makes the decision, not after he is gone. Lastly, with double overdose touring insurance makes touring unprofitable and to see Prince live you have to come to PP or a theater broadcast.
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