http://www.vulture.com/2018/05/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-artists-ranked-from-best-to-worst.html

pretty impressive, eh?

Do you think Prince is properly ranked? Should he be higher on the list?

Still cannot believe the RNR HOF hasn't inducted Rick James...

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000000 said:

http://www.vulture.com/2018/05/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-artists-ranked-from-best-to-worst.html

pretty impressive, eh

still can't believe no Rick James in the Rock and Roll HOF

Really, no Rick James?

Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and NWA but no Rick James... serious crime

Also, Nirvana ahead of Muddy Waters is blasphemy. Do these people know who created the genre?

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Dont give this hacks list any shine. Trust me.

rdhull said:

Dont give this hacks list any shine. Trust me.

It's Bill Wyman, so it bears some cred, and he starts it pretty well:

There shouldn’t be a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
The idea of a bunch of self-satisfied music-industry fat cats in tuxedos
having rock stars assemble for a command performance in the Waldorf Astoria Ballroom once a year
is precisely the sort of thing rock was created to be the antidote to.
There is nothing less rock and roll than a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

It's worth the reading.
But don't trust me: give it a try.

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bonatoc said:

rdhull said:

Dont give this hacks list any shine. Trust me.

It's Bill Wyman, so it bears some cred, and he starts it pretty well:

There shouldn’t be a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
The idea of a bunch of self-satisfied music-industry fat cats in tuxedos
having rock stars assemble for a command performance in the Waldorf Astoria Ballroom once a year
is precisely the sort of thing rock was created to be the antidote to.
There is nothing less rock and roll than a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

I know whom he is tyvm. He's done this before with The Batles etc. His reasoning for where he places artists are subjective to the nth degree. Find an interview and youll find out, it's almost disgusting. He does have a saving grace, putting Bon Jovie as the worst ..cheers for that.

Of course it's subjective; that's the fun of it. I'd put Prince at number 1 and then I'm sure lots of people would complain that I'm being 'too subjective'. Unless Jesus Christ himself comes down from the sky to give us a definitive ranking, there is no objective way of measuring who's better than who.

SanMartin said:

Of course it's subjective; that's the fun of it. I'd put Prince at number 1 and then I'm sure lots of people would complain that I'm being 'too subjective'. Unless Jesus Christ himself comes down from the sky to give us a definitive ranking, there is no objective way of measuring who's better than who.

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You expect Jesus to come back and fix a list that ranked him only at no. 6?

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Pretty ballsy endeavor me thinks. Overall, I think its a well thought out list, even the bands he eviscerated at the end. Im guessing he doesnt vacation with Jon Bon Jovi.

00000 said:

bonatoc said:

rdhull said:

Dont give this hacks list any shine. Trust me.

It's Bill Wyman, so it bears some cred, and he starts it pretty well:
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No, he's not the ex Stones bassist. This is a journalist named Bill Wyman.
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Kares said:

While he'd rank that high or higher on my (highly subjective) list, I'm still surprised he's ranked that high on this list, and I wonder whether he'd have the same ranking were he still with us.

Kares said:

bonatoc said:

It's Bill Wyman, so it bears some cred, and he starts it pretty well:
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No, he's not the ex Stones bassist. This is a journalist named Bill Wyman.
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Thanks for explaining that to me. It was a good read. But I was kind of thinking--gee, when did Bill Wyman learn how to write articles?

LadyLayla said:

Kares said:

No, he's not the ex Stones bassist. This is a journalist named Bill Wyman.
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Thanks for explaining that to me. It was a good read. But I was kind of thinking--gee, when did Bill Wyman learn how to write articles?

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The ex-Stones Wyman tried to stop the guy using the same name as it can be quite misleading for a lot of readers, especially as this journalist is writing about rock music, sometimes about the Stones too, but he couldn't. So yeah, it does look weird when a guy named Bill Wyman is making statements about the Rolling Stones...
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I'd put Prince ABOVE the Beatles (and I was a hard-core Beatles fan from 1963 onward).

Switch their places. Prince accomplished a lot more than they did over their relatively short career.

This is my Top 6:

1. Chuck Berry

2. Elvis Presley

3. Prince

4. James Brown

5. The Beatles

6. Bob Dylan

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LadyLayla said:

Kares said:

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No, he's not the ex Stones bassist. This is a journalist named Bill Wyman.
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Thanks for explaining that to me. It was a good read. But I was kind of thinking--gee, when did Bill Wyman learn how to write articles?

I stand corrected.
It's not unusual for RS Magazine to call for musicians input on colleagues.

I think Prince, Michael Jackson & The Supremes should rank higher

laytonian said:

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I'd put Prince ABOVE the Beatles (and I was a hard-core Beatles fan from 1963 onward).

Switch their places. Prince accomplished a lot more than they did over their relatively short career.

This is my Top 6:

1. Chuck Berry

2. Elvis Presley

3. Prince

4. James Brown

5. The Beatles

6. Bob Dylan

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Nah. I'll always be the last standing soldier defending SKipper's legacy and œuvre,
but you cannot use foundation bricks for the top of the building, if the image makes any sense.

No "Take Me With U", no ATWIAD the album, no "Manic Monday", no "Starfish And Coffee" and many, many other Prince songs without Lennon/McCartney paving the way.
They broke more grounds, you have to put it in context.

JB and Zimmerman also deserve to be above him for the same reasons.
No "Kiss", no "The Cross", etc.

A great part of Prince's genius was the mix and match of the genre the above artists introduced
without resulting into failed collages. That's not to say he didn't come with a lot of inventions of his own, but still. History goes in one direction only.

And let's be honest: we're all baffled by Prince's catalog size, but sketches are not paintings.
A great deal of the Vault is very interesting to us fans because of the depth it brings to his work, but musically, it's seldom revolutionary.

It certainly is incredible that most (if not all) of it comes from one man only,
but that's also his main Achilles heel.

He's already pretty high, considering the list places him above Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, all of Motown, all of Stax, Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Clash, The Jam, The Pretenders, Joni Mitchell, Kate Bush, Pink Floyd, Jerry Lee Lewis, you get the point.

BEAUGARDE said:

I think Prince, Michael Jackson & The Supremes should rank higher

I'm pretty sure MJ is going to fade away faster than Prince.
Sure, he'll stay in the Guinness Book, but artistically?

His vocal interpretations owe a great deal to the Stevie Wonder of the seventies (see Innervisions), except for his own signature gimmicks.
And what we thought were astounding original dance moves were in fact rip-offs of Bob Fosse, Astaire and the Golden Age of Music-Hall (except for his own signature gimmicks).

Michael gives it all, you can't deny his total commitment, but post-Thriller, he's been permanently trapped in the business side of show-business, prisoner of his own status.

Thriller was conceived as a block-buster, and the formulaic approach damaged the rest of his career (again, strictly under artistic terms). Every subsequent album followed specifications: the hard-rocker hit, the ballad hit, the pop hit... There's been no risk-taking at all, no more pushing boundaries.

"Bad", "Dangerous" and "History" (let's spare us what followed) are ageing fast. Very fast.
They are saved by Michael's guts and blind faith in his mojo. Vocally, they're impeccable.
But the production? The arrangements? It all sounds so hollywoodish, boombastic-for-nothing, you can smell the capitalistic objectives underneath.

Whereas Prince's greatest albums contain enough of ingenious arrangements, original sound design and idiosyncrasies that makes them as interesting and lasting as, say, The Beatles ones.

bonatoc said:

BEAUGARDE said:

I think Prince, Michael Jackson & The Supremes should rank higher

Vocally, they're impeccable.
But the production? The arrangements? It all sounds so hollywoodish, boombastic-for-nothing, you can smell the capitalistic objectives underneath

On a lazy Sunday Prince sung as good as MJ on "Adore" and "Do me Baby" naked, alone, in one take, on the floor masturbating. Or something like that. Fuck, it got to hurt being Prince and being THAT good.

000000 said:

Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and NWA but no Rick James... serious crime

Also, Nirvana ahead of Muddy Waters is blasphemy. Do these people know who created the genre?

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Out of everyone you named, only Muddy Waters deserves to be in the RRHOF IMHO.

RodeoSchro said:

000000 said:

Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and NWA but no Rick James... serious crime

Also, Nirvana ahead of Muddy Waters is blasphemy. Do these people know who created the genre?

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Out of everyone you named, only Muddy Waters deserves to be in the RRHOF IMHO.

Ooooo You upset Rick James!!

rdhull said:

Kares said:

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No, he's not the ex Stones bassist. This is a journalist named Bill Wyman.
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*Im* aware it isn’t the Stones bassist but a journalist who’s written other lists of the same sorts etc. That’s what I meant at least. And yes he is subjective like anyone else but an added ridiculousness of not putting Queen, for example, higher due to Mercury or any of the other band members mentioning anything about AIDS prior to his death ( and not just the week before) or during the Mercury tribute concert. He understands not nonsense of it all because he has a sex offender as number one. But everyone is happy because Prince is ranked so high lol

I had just recently found out the stuff about Chuck Berry (with tapes!)...thanks to Double Toasted. Dayummmmmmmmm!!!!!! That was some disgusting stuff!!

Prince = Sexy MF

Berry = Rapey MF

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