Menes said:

disch said:

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that suicide is the "most content way to die" when facing a condition that can be overcome, like addiction. I get that Prince had a big ego and was reluctant to admit powerlessness or accept help, but if his self-perception was such that he intentionally chose death rather than help to overcome his problem, then that's an awful tragedy.

Maybe we are assuimg that he wanted to overcome. Some people do get tired of trying whether it be a terminal illness or addiction. It was his burden. Who knows how heavy it was? POint remians, it was his choice to go out however he wished. I certainly don't believe he wanted to deal with the continuing aftermath of either once it reached a point of hopelessness.

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This is absurd!!

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Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Maybe we are assuimg that he wanted to overcome. Some people do get tired of trying whether it be a terminal illness or addiction. It was his burden. Who knows how heavy it was? POint remians, it was his choice to go out however he wished. I certainly don't believe he wanted to deal with the continuing aftermath of either once it reached a point of hopelessness.

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This is absurd!!

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NO, IT'S NOT!!!

Prince was a smart guy, he didn't want to appear on the cover of the National Enquirer with a catheter snaking out from under his sheets and his bald head resting on a crisp white pillow OR busted buying street drugs and booked into jail where his weight was noted to be 108 lbs.

One picture from Atlanta is worth 1000 words; where do YOU think he was heading?

I don't know if this is the photo you are referencing, but did you see the one where he is wearing a Prince hat and he looks absolutely skeletal? It's a head shot. My God, if that doesn't tell you something was wrong - and not just drugs - I don't know what to say.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

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This is absurd!!

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NO, IT'S NOT!!!

Prince was a smart guy, he didn't want to appear on the cover of the National Enquirer with a catheter snaking out from under his sheets and his bald head resting on a crisp white pillow OR busted buying street drugs and booked into jail where his weight was noted to be 108 lbs.

One picture from Atlanta is worth 1000 words; where do YOU think he was heading?

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Well, he sure as Hell would not want to be known as a drug-addict.

Okay, this is beyond weird. Ancestry and Legacy says that Prince died on April 15th, 2016.

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Unless he was on the phone or the computer with someone after midnight - so it can be proven he was still alive - I don't think he passed on the 21st. However, it would be just like him to wait until the 21st so he could tie it in with the creation date of "Sometimes it snows in April."

1Sasha said:

Unless he was on the phone or the computer with someone after midnight - so it can be proven he was still alive - I don't think he passed on the 21st. However, it would be just like him to wait until the 21st so he could tie it in with the creation date of "Sometimes it snows in April."

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All of it is bizarre, to say the least. Supposedly Will Smith was the last person to speak with Prince, but we don't know what time that was.

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There are people who beleive Prince died on that airplane in Moline, but people saw him at PP after that, so.........

Two years on and we are still guessing ...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NO, IT'S NOT!!!

Prince was a smart guy, he didn't want to appear on the cover of the National Enquirer with a catheter snaking out from under his sheets and his bald head resting on a crisp white pillow OR busted buying street drugs and booked into jail where his weight was noted to be 108 lbs.

One picture from Atlanta is worth 1000 words; where do YOU think he was heading?

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Well, he sure as Hell would not want to be known as a drug-addict.

I think the point here is that there are only two ways this was going to end.

1. If he was terminal and self medicating, how do you think he was going to die?

2. If he was dependent on opiates, what is the most logical conclusion of how he would have met his end?

He can not die a thousand deaths . What is so wrong with him ending his life instead of prolonging any type suffering? Why is this such an impossible or implausible conclusion?

I was hoping that he did then know he was dying and just self medicated to keep himself comfortable and out of pain until he took his last breath...evidently that was in the elevator. I saw the last pics of his skinny self and knew something was wrong with him....I felt like he didnt really want to make a big deal out of it and wanted to continue to live much of his life as he could, how he wanted. But, crap! Ill always be hitting myself over the head for never trying to reach out and touch him when he was alive!

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Maybe we are assuimg that he wanted to overcome. Some people do get tired of trying whether it be a terminal illness or addiction. It was his burden. Who knows how heavy it was? POint remians, it was his choice to go out however he wished. I certainly don't believe he wanted to deal with the continuing aftermath of either once it reached a point of hopelessness.

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This is absurd!!

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I think he was a real proud dude and he wanted to do his living or dying exactly how he wanted to do it....did that mean sharing his journey with all of us....No I don't think so.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NO, IT'S NOT!!!

Prince was a smart guy, he didn't want to appear on the cover of the National Enquirer with a catheter snaking out from under his sheets and his bald head resting on a crisp white pillow OR busted buying street drugs and booked into jail where his weight was noted to be 108 lbs.

One picture from Atlanta is worth 1000 words; where do YOU think he was heading?

Co-sign

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Do you people understand that Prince died from "MISLABELED" Fentanyl pills? They were marked as a weaker opioid. His death was accidental.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Please read my Post #194, where I quoted Tyka and also posted the Video and listen closely to what she says. You can't make a sound decision when you don't have all the facts.

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Yes, she clearly said "Everyone knew" Prince was dying.......again, read my Post #194.

—-Don’t you think she means everyone in their circle or family. People could know and just did not tell the public. I already have states in this board that his own cousins are saying he was terminal.

Which cousins? Cuz Chazz has said that P was murdered.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Please read my Post #194, where I quoted Tyka and also posted the Video and listen closely to what she says. You can't make a sound decision when you don't have all the facts.

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Yes, she clearly said "Everyone knew" Prince was dying.......again, read my Post #194.

—-Don’t you think she means everyone in their circle or family. People could know and just did not tell the public. I already have states in this board that his own cousins are saying he was terminal.

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But the real issue is that Prince died of illegal Fentanyl toxicity, and his family doesn't want to talk about that. Prince did not die of a terminal disease.

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Well, he sure as Hell would not want to be known as a drug-addict.

I think the point here is that there are only two ways this was going to end.

1. If he was terminal and self medicating, how do you think he was going to die?

2. If he was dependent on opiates, what is the most logical conclusion of how he would have met his end?

He can not die a thousand deaths . What is so wrong with him ending his life instead of prolonging any type suffering? Why is this such an impossible or implausible conclusion?

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Okay -- let's say Prince was terminal and dying. Why would he go to see Dr. Schulemberg the day before he died and get treated and get Rxs? There would be absolutely NO point in doing that. If he was DONE, he was done!! Case closed.......he could have overdosed (on purpose) right after he got back from Atlanta, but he didn't.

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There are so many ways to look at this......but, it is just my gut feeling that he did not commit suicide. Those pills were "mislabeled", and someone gave them to him.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: —-Don’t you think she means everyone in their circle or family. People could know and just did not tell the public. I already have states in this board that his own cousins are saying he was terminal.

Which cousins? Cuz Chazz has said that P was murdered.

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I agree. I just don't think the facts as we know them align with suicide, such as (as Clover you noted) Prince going to the hospital April 20, undergoing tests and being treated there for what appears to be opioid withdrawal issues (based on the scripts that the warrant said Dr S gave him, which were for meds typical of a withdrawal treatment protocols). Why would Prince withdraw, much less spend time in a hospital, if he planned to end it all in a few hours? Plus, intentionally ODing on mislabeled pills that he wouldn't actually know the contents of seems not a very good way to guarantee your own death.

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If he was dependent on opioids, a logical conclusion is accidental OD, as the ME determined. Sadly, that's a very common cause of death for people struggling with opioid addiction.

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

I think the point here is that there are only two ways this was going to end.

1. If he was terminal and self medicating, how do you think he was going to die?

2. If he was dependent on opiates, what is the most logical conclusion of how he would have met his end?

He can not die a thousand deaths . What is so wrong with him ending his life instead of prolonging any type suffering? Why is this such an impossible or implausible conclusion?

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Okay -- let's say Prince was terminal and dying. Why would he go to see Dr. Schulemberg the day before he died and get treated and get Rxs? There would be absolutely NO point in doing that. If he was DONE, he was done!! Case closed.......he could have overdosed (on purpose) right after he got back from Atlanta, but he didn't.

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There are so many ways to look at this......but, it is just my gut feeling that he did not commit suicide. Those pills were "mislabeled", and someone gave them to him.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: Co-sign

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Do you people understand that Prince died from "MISLABELED" Fentanyl pills? They were marked as a weaker opioid. His death was accidental.

We know what he died from. We are discussing the real cause of the entire stituation.

disch said:

I agree. I just don't think the facts as we know them align with suicide, such as (as Clover you noted) Prince going to the hospital April 20, undergoing tests and being treated there for what appears to be opioid withdrawal issues (based on the scripts that the warrant said Dr S gave him, which were for meds typical of a withdrawal treatment protocols). Why would Prince withdraw, much less spend time in a hospital, if he planned to end it all in a few hours? Plus, intentionally ODing on mislabeled pills that he wouldn't actually know the contents of seems not a very good way to guarantee your own death.

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If he was dependent on opioids, a logical conclusion is accidental OD, as the ME determined. Sadly, that's a very common cause of death for people struggling with opioid addiction.

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay -- let's say Prince was terminal and dying. Why would he go to see Dr. Schulemberg the day before he died and get treated and get Rxs? There would be absolutely NO point in doing that. If he was DONE, he was done!! Case closed.......he could have overdosed (on purpose) right after he got back from Atlanta, but he didn't.

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There are so many ways to look at this......but, it is just my gut feeling that he did not commit suicide. Those pills were "mislabeled", and someone gave them to him.

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Thank you. Usually, someone who wants to do harm to themselves or contemplate suicide give warnings--Prince was not showing signs of wanting to hurt himself. You raise another good point about the mislabeled pills--Prince could have not known what was actually in them. I mean, for all he knew, it could have been Tylenol or a tic-tac.

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You don't know what the hell you are getting when you are buying pills off the street. People are lacing Cocaine with Fentanyl on the streets......

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay -- let's say Prince was terminal and dying. Why would he go to see Dr. Schulemberg the day before he died and get treated and get Rxs? There would be absolutely NO point in doing that. If he was DONE, he was done!! Case closed.......he could have overdosed (on purpose) right after he got back from Atlanta, but he didn't.

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There are so many ways to look at this......but, it is just my gut feeling that he did not commit suicide. Those pills were "mislabeled", and someone gave them to him.

We have no idea if Prince took the Rxs that were written for him. We know that Kurt filled them but we don’t know if he took them. Why would you have legitimate pills at your disposal they are in a legitimate RX bottle and whine up taking the fake ones they just happen to have enough Fentanyl in them to kill a whale I’m sorry this is too coincidental for me. Prince was not a street junkie he was A person that could very well have had a pill made especially for him and decided to walk along going about his business until he died. Suicidal decisions are made by people every day and he was no different from anyone else. [Edited 3/18/18 13:20pm]

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The entire Walgreen's story is shady, at best. Let's be real here. All we know is that Prince had been treated in the hospital the day before he died for "dehydration", and Dr. Schulenberg prescribed Prince some Rx's of which we don't know if he ever picked-up or every ingested. The picture of him walking near Walgreen's really does not tell us anything, nor prove anything.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: We have no idea if Prince took the Rxs that were written for him. We know that Kurt filled them but we don’t know if he took them. Why would you have legitimate pills at your disposal they are in a legitimate RX bottle and whine up taking the fake ones they just happen to have enough Fentanyl in them to kill a whale I’m sorry this is too coincidental for me. Prince was not a street junkie he was A person that could very well have had a pill made especially for him and decided to walk along going about his business until he died. Suicidal decisions are made by people every day and he was no different from anyone else. [Edited 3/18/18 13:20pm]

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The entire Walgreen's story is shady, at best. Let's be real here. All we know is that Prince had been treated in the hospital the day before he died for "dehydration", and Dr. Schulenberg prescribed Prince some Rx's of which we don't know if he ever picked-up or every ingested. The picture of him walking near Walgreen's really does not tell us anything, nor prove anything.

I do not recall anyone saying what he was in the hospital for and due to Hippa. We will never know what the test were for and why he went into the hospital.

I don't recall anything about "dehydration" causing the April 20 appointment. It was reported that he received an "intravenous treatment," but that could be anything. The info in the warrants, plus what we know about what was going on generally, strongly point to opioid withdrawal symptoms as the cause.

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After the plane OD, I think he saw the risk of his drug use and wanted to quit opioids (Judith Hill said that he "wanted to do the right th... his body.") and so he stopped, sending him into withdrawal.

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Whether or not he took the drugs prescribed April 20, I think the key thing is that he wouldn't have bothered going to the hospital, being examined, getting treated there, getting a script, etc if he planned on ending his life that night.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: We have no idea if Prince took the Rxs that were written for him. We know that Kurt filled them but we don’t know if he took them. Why would you have legitimate pills at your disposal they are in a legitimate RX bottle and whine up taking the fake ones they just happen to have enough Fentanyl in them to kill a whale I’m sorry this is too coincidental for me. Prince was not a street junkie he was A person that could very well have had a pill made especially for him and decided to walk along going about his business until he died. Suicidal decisions are made by people every day and he was no different from anyone else. [Edited 3/18/18 13:20pm]

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The entire Walgreen's story is shady, at best. Let's be real here. All we know is that Prince had been treated in the hospital the day before he died for "dehydration", and Dr. Schulenberg prescribed Prince some Rx's of which we don't know if he ever picked-up or every ingested. The picture of him walking near Walgreen's really does not tell us anything, nor prove anything.

laurarichardson said:

We know what he died from. We are discussing the real cause of the entire stituation.

Yes. And thank you for saying it yet again. We ALL know that the cause of death was an accidental overdose of fentanyl. The question left is: what else was going on with him/his health? Because there definitely was something else going on, clear as day to see it looking at him. Any pain meds he took were to control a painful condition he was experiencing.

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Maybe we are assuimg that he wanted to overcome. Some people do get tired of trying whether it be a terminal illness or addiction. It was his burden. Who knows how heavy it was? POint remians, it was his choice to go out however he wished. I certainly don't believe he wanted to deal with the continuing aftermath of either once it reached a point of hopelessness.

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This is absurd!!

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I would call what you think or believe happened ,an opinion, however "absurd" it may seem to me. But hey, make of it what you will.