bonatoc said:

Don't forget it doesn't have to be always about elite performances.
The history of the Troubadour, the troupes, there's a whole side
of popular entertainement that is not in your usual schoolbook, dating from Rome
and of course the Greek, way before the Wolfie Bitch milked the twins (ugh).

The first roadies, the first light technicians (try not to put fire to the barn like ye did last time, mate).
The first comedians, the first renowned ones, the first Mangiafuocos...

Live music is the final exam for a musician.
Can you play it in real time? Or are you just copy-pasting in your studio?
Can you convey the emotion again and again? In ways more than one?
Without sounding you're on repeat?

This morning I sat like a deer hypnotized by the car lights,
it was the ’86 Frisco live performance of "A Love Bizarre" (by sheer linkbait accident).

Most of Prince's grooves are hypnotic and fine the way they are on record,
but there are a lot of musical live performances
that just blow your mind in terms of musicianships, not to mention theatricals.

They're all beyond brilliant, Grace, a whole choreography like this and they never bump into each other.
And boy does he sing! How could he not?
They're kicking some severe.d.chopped("— 'gaiiin!") ass in the back.

And those qualities, in my book, make for a musician worth of being teached about,
especially if we're talking classical music ethics,
where usually the composer and/or director knows one or several instruments,
and surely knows everything about every instrument tessiture and limitations.
Today's classical musicians are real, real good (when they're good).
You gotta know your shit.
The Revolution sure did.
Such a Big Band extraordinaire near the end.

Because well, albums do matter,
but the live performance is where the magic happens.
Oh you have to be there: the audience is the most important.
Otherwise what would be the point of all this hard work?

TV's Yodling Trained-Monkeys mistake, most of the time,
aerobics for hard work. You gotta find your own gymnastics.
Don't start me on it. Point is, live is an integral part
of being a musician, if we mean "age well" as in "will outlive us all".

Yeah, of course.

I don't see why "Yellow Submarine" would get out the kindergarten's playlists
just because it's a decade, two decades, three centuries old.
I still get a kick out of Wolfie. Heck, even some medieval shit is quite heavy.
Music is a universe so vast even SKipper got humbled.
"I don't tend to listen to many records..." Bullshit Christopher, you had me for a few years there.
Actually that's not true, you confessed it on "The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker".
So many records, so little time.
Yet some stick.

Who wouldn't get through an album where the intro
starts like a congregation.
A congregation of what? Didn't the motorcycle on the sleeve sell rock'n'roll?
What's with this hallucinated preacher/muezzin stuff?
The more you wait, the more it says:
"you can still go through the exit door, but it's about to begin, so hurry and take a decision".
And then the drums thump and the fuzzed crunch raunches an apocalyptic leopard riff.
"But you can never leave".
Well, it's surely one of the most sought after buildings in The Big City, dearly beloved.

Good luck to go find an album that's so overtly Rock'n'Roll.
Prince may be depicted as the leader in the Movie, but a pretty far gone one.
That's rock'n'roll right there. The James Dean anguish. Broken families.
You gimme fever and all that jazz.

Purple Rain is the first true multimedia experience in pop history.
The theatrics of the Tour cannot be touched. They're the final touch, were the record passes the final test.
Hear these women scream, it's defeaning.

Unavoidable yesterday, unavoidable tomorrow, unavoidable today.
But it takes immersion to appreciate it, as many precious things do.

And say what thou whilst, on record he'll still be a friendly, nasty, ol' fellow.
The most seductive crooner, the ultimate yelper, a man reaching for angelic heights.
The guy knew how to laugh and that's, in my book,
a big yellow-markered bookmark
for the Chef-d’œuvre recipe.

On this occasion let me wish U all
environmentally friendly hamburgers,
organic root beer,
not to mention a fine,
perfect,
week-end.

[Edited 3/9/18 7:20am]

Most of it I did not get, but it sounds brlilliant as usual.

donnyenglish said:

Overall, yea. Some of the stuff from 89-92 wont age well.

I never paid attention to the hip hop, i loved a lot of the 89-92 material, I have to admit though, i was never as critical with Prince as most of you folks.

Look at how long the Beatles music lasted or Elvis. Those songs are clear products of their time, and they still sell good numbers, especially in the case of the Beatles. I feel with Prince, it's easier for younger generations to hook onto the music. I mean, compared to stuff from Culture Club/Human Nature, and other 80s bands, his stuff still sounds fresh, like Michael's stuff.

khill95 said:

Look at how long the Beatles music lasted or Elvis. Those songs are clear products of their time, and they still sell good numbers, especially in the case of the Beatles. I feel with Prince, it's easier for younger generations to hook onto the music. I mean, compared to stuff from Culture Club/Human Nature, and other 80s bands, his stuff still sounds fresh, like Michael's stuff.

The Human League perhaps ?

PeteSilas said:

donnyenglish said:

PeteSilas said:

I never paid attention to the hip hop, i loved a lot of the 89-92 material, I have to admit though, i was never as critical with Prince as most of you folks.

There are some gems during that period. But also some of his worst stuff. I also dont love the live performances from that era.

I didn't think daddy pop was a great song but you know what, i loved the shit out of the live performance that someone put out right after he died, sometimes we didn't know how lucky we were and what we had.

Vannormal said:

khill95 said:

Look at how long the Beatles music lasted or Elvis. Those songs are clear products of their time, and they still sell good numbers, especially in the case of the Beatles. I feel with Prince, it's easier for younger generations to hook onto the music. I mean, compared to stuff from Culture Club/Human Nature, and other 80s bands, his stuff still sounds fresh, like Michael's stuff.

The Human League perhaps ?

aye im 22 gimme a break

khill95 said:

Vannormal said:

The Human League perhaps ?

aye im 22 gimme a break

human league was pretty groundbreaking weren't they? obsession and don't you wan't me were both pretty cutting edge, Prince had to be listening, i always thought u got the look was a bit like obsession.

Prince is a strange cat. I'm listening this days N.E.W.S. & Xpectation, and i'm trying 2 focus on this instrumental albums, 2 get something from them. It's not like Prince has tons of instrumental albums, this is something he wanted the world to hear.

N.E.W.S. got nomianted 4 'Best Pop Instrumental Album'. Xpectation is still out there, having some undefined status as likable effort by a modern day musical genius. Both albums defined like 'jam' sessions without strict directions. But take a look. Prince is someone who could get the best jazz session musicans on earth, a man who could hire Hornheadz and nail with some jazz/big band sound and make freakin' amazing albums on that topic, but he is there in his Paisley Park with Eric/Candy, Rhonda, John and Renato. I got this stupid sudden crying moment, when i listened 'North' and heard string sampling of The One -- one of the finest Clare Fishers orchestra moments around Prince's idea for melody... + guitar solo in 'North' is stubbornly unappreciated.

You dont need big band, when you're having this band - We're the best! -- he will preach at Montreux in 2009. You dont argue with Prince there, he mean it.

But @bonatoc essay on live perfomances, choreography, theatrics is the core element with Prince, and one that defines a Genius. Listening those instrumental albums, one can stop and think, well - it's Prince, he 'could write another three hundred melodies', he could jam all day long... but contrary to popular opinion, you're more likely 2 find Genius in 'Lolita' than in best instrumental album out there. Your favorite jazz album compared to Lolita at American idol finale? Wack! Your favorite classical piece? Wack! Your favorite contremporary artist? Wack! Your top 10 perfromances in pop? Wack! Take your seat and look at this - A Man, His Voice & Twins. Sheer brilliance that sums up everything you know about shownmanship, performance, theatrics... call it how ever you want.

[Edited 3/12/18 6:13am]

khill95 said:

Vannormal said:

The Human League perhaps ?

aye im 22 gimme a break

Cool. You can have a break, and google some then.

(I'm only Joking.)

Vannormal said:

khill95 said:

aye im 22 gimme a break

Cool. You can have a break, and google some then.

(I'm only Joking.)

Give him.her a brake, s.he's only human.
Born in the U.S. of Mistakes.
Flesh and blood amade.
That's disgusting.

i never really got into those albums, i have them but the cd's i had got really scratched before i could listen to them.

stpaisios said:

Prince is a strange cat. I'm listening this days N.E.W.S. & Xpectation, and i'm trying 2 focus on this instrumental albums, 2 get something from them. It's not like Prince has tons of instrumental albums, this is something he wanted the world to hear.

N.E.W.S. got nomianted 4 'Best Pop Instrumental Album'. Xpectation is still out there, having some undefined status as likable effort by a modern day musical genius. Both albums defined like 'jam' sessions without strict directions. But take a look. Prince is someone who could get the best jazz session musicans on earth, a man who could hire Hornheadz and nail with some jazz/big band sound and make freakin' amazing albums on that topic, but he is there in his Paisley Park with Eric/Candy, Rhonda, John and Renato. I got this stupid sudden crying moment, when i listened 'North' and heard string sampling of The One -- one of the finest Clare Fishers orchestra moments around Prince's idea for melody... + guitar solo in 'North' is stubbornly unappreciated.

You dont need big band, when you're having this band - We're the best! -- he will preach at Montreux in 2009. You dont argue with Prince there, he mean it.

But @bonatoc essay on live perfomances, choreography, theatrics is the core element with Prince, and one that defines a Genius. Listening those instrumental albums, one can stop and think, well - it's Prince, he 'could write another three hundred melodies', he could jam all day long... but contrary to popular opinion, you're more likely 2 find Genius in 'Lolita' than in best instrumental album out there. Your favorite jazz album compared to Lolita at American idol finale? Wack! Your favorite classical piece? Wack! Your favorite contremporary artist? Wack! Your top 10 perfromances in pop? Wack! Take your seat and look at this - A Man, His Voice & Twins. Sheer brilliance that sums up everything you know about shownmanship, performance, theatrics... call it how ever you want.

[Edited 3/12/18 6:13am]

THE ANSWER IS "YES" MY DEAR AND LOVING PRINCE PALS. I WAS REARED ON PRINCE AND ENCOURAGE MY KIDS TO EXPLORE REAL MUSIC. MY DAUGHTER WHO IS SUPER COOOOOOOL IS EXPLORING HIS MUSIC WAS IN THE CAR YESTERDAY WITH HER COOL FRIENDS AND I WAS PLAYING 'DOVES CRY' AND SHE ASKED ME IF I HAD 'ANOTHER LONELY xMAS' - HER FAV SONG, I WAS LIKE WTF??? AWESOME. #1'S DON'T MATTTER, CHARTS ARE FOR FOOLS. THE MUSIC WLLL LIVE 4EVER.

THANK U PRINCE

1958 - 4EVER

Resolution said:

Yes.

Yes it will, absolutely.

well didn't HE??

mynameisnotsusan said:

StrangeButTrue said:

Hey ya can't win 'em all. Elvis had a huge career but all I really think of is Hound Dog. [Edited 3/6/18 15:12pm]

Elvis had a number 1 hit 25 years after he died. I don't see that happening for Prince.

I can. 1999 has had 4 separate chart runs on the Billboard 100.

Prince will always be cool. With his catalog, people will continue finding what they like even without radio play. Just like kids today watch Purple Rain and surprise, love it. Prince isn't going away in music or culture anytime soon.

PeteSilas said:

khill95 said:

aye im 22 gimme a break

human league was pretty groundbreaking weren't they? obsession and don't you wan't me were both pretty cutting edge, Prince had to be listening, i always thought u got the look was a bit like obsession.

Wasn't Obsession by Animotion?

SUPRMAN said:

PeteSilas said:

human league was pretty groundbreaking weren't they? obsession and don't you wan't me were both pretty cutting edge, Prince had to be listening, i always thought u got the look was a bit like obsession.

Wasn't Obsession by Animotion?

you're right sorry, it had the vibe though

mynameisnotsusan said:

StrangeButTrue said:

Hey ya can't win 'em all. Elvis had a huge career but all I really think of is Hound Dog. [Edited 3/6/18 15:12pm]

Elvis had a number 1 hit 25 years after he died. I don't see that happening for Prince.

with all the great songs that got ignored i think it's highly likely that something will either catch on that was already released or something in the vault. either way, charts only mean so much.

lonelyalien said:

stpaisios said:

It would because as a stand alone individual he is second to none. History will look at him probably as one of the most complete artist in pop. I doubt that we have witnessed something similiar in last 70yrs...Bowie is up there, Dylan maybe, Elvis? I think Prince represents embodiment of R.Wanger's term Gesamtkunstwerk aka 'total work of art' or 'universal artwork'... or at least he is one of the finest examples of that in pop world.

[Edited 3/6/18 10:31am]

I think in terms of musical ability stevie wonder but then stevie could'nt dance through now fault of his own of course. Prince is the most complete there ever was possibly ever will be.

[Edited 3/6/18 10:39am]

Wrong comparison imo. Stevie did his last really decent album in his mid 20s. Genius is like a shark, either it moves forward or it dies.

fortuneandserendipity said:

lonelyalien said:

I think in terms of musical ability stevie wonder but then stevie could'nt dance through now fault of his own of course. Prince is the most complete there ever was possibly ever will be.

[Edited 3/6/18 10:39am]

Wrong comparison imo. Stevie did his last really decent album in his mid 20s. Genius is like a shark, either it moves forward or it dies.

ya, i don't know what happened with stevie, he just hit a creative wall around the mid 80's, even the square circle album was barely mediocre.

Nobody else in his era was completing 300+ songs a year. Not only that, Prince's music has often sounded ahead of its time, so of course it will age well.

he made lots of songs as good or better than the most beautiful girl in the world and that was a huge hit, you never know when something'll catch on. some of Elvis' best work was his most ignored too, maybe someday people will take a listen, maybe they won't, people don't spend a lot of time looking for lost gems, it's a laziness thing, i haven't even heard all elvis' music and i'm a fanatic. Prince had more quality songs than elvis did that fell under the radar.

[Edited 3/17/18 18:14pm]

I think Prince's music will only age well if it is used and distributed well. I think a good place for Prince music to get attention is film soundtracks, but the music needs to be used well. The car fight scene in Kingsman 2 that they used "Lets go crazy" for would have been much cooler with Endorphin Machine..IMO. Let's Go Crazy is a great song but it has become one of his most overused and in the case of that movie misused.

[Edited 3/17/18 18:00pm]

2freaky4church1 said:

Classical is still around.

So is Clint Eastwood.

214 said:

bonatoc said:

Don't forget it doesn't have to be always about elite performances.
The history of the Troubadour, the troupes, there's a whole side
of popular entertainement that is not in your usual schoolbook, dating from Rome
and of course the Greek, way before the Wolfie Bitch milked the twins (ugh).

The first roadies, the first light technicians (try not to put fire to the barn like ye did last time, mate).
The first comedians, the first renowned ones, the first Mangiafuocos...

Live music is the final exam for a musician.
Can you play it in real time? Or are you just copy-pasting in your studio?
Can you convey the emotion again and again? In ways more than one?
Without sounding you're on repeat?

This morning I sat like a deer hypnotized by the car lights,
it was the ’86 Frisco live performance of "A Love Bizarre" (by sheer linkbait accident).

Most of Prince's grooves are hypnotic and fine the way they are on record,
but there are a lot of musical live performances
that just blow your mind in terms of musicianships, not to mention theatricals.

They're all beyond brilliant, Grace, a whole choreography like this and they never bump into each other.
And boy does he sing! How could he not?
They're kicking some severe.d.chopped("— 'gaiiin!") ass in the back.

And those qualities, in my book, make for a musician worth of being teached about,
especially if we're talking classical music ethics,
where usually the composer and/or director knows one or several instruments,
and surely knows everything about every instrument tessiture and limitations.
Today's classical musicians are real, real good (when they're good).
You gotta know your shit.
The Revolution sure did.
Such a Big Band extraordinaire near the end.

Because well, albums do matter,
but the live performance is where the magic happens.
Oh you have to be there: the audience is the most important.
Otherwise what would be the point of all this hard work?

TV's Yodling Trained-Monkeys mistake, most of the time,
aerobics for hard work. You gotta find your own gymnastics.
Don't start me on it. Point is, live is an integral part
of being a musician, if we mean "age well" as in "will outlive us all".

Yeah, of course.

I don't see why "Yellow Submarine" would get out the kindergarten's playlists
just because it's a decade, two decades, three centuries old.
I still get a kick out of Wolfie. Heck, even some medieval shit is quite heavy.
Music is a universe so vast even SKipper got humbled.
"I don't tend to listen to many records..." Bullshit Christopher, you had me for a few years there.
Actually that's not true, you confessed it on "The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker".
So many records, so little time.
Yet some stick.

Who wouldn't get through an album where the intro
starts like a congregation.
A congregation of what? Didn't the motorcycle on the sleeve sell rock'n'roll?
What's with this hallucinated preacher/muezzin stuff?
The more you wait, the more it says:
"you can still go through the exit door, but it's about to begin, so hurry and take a decision".
And then the drums thump and the fuzzed crunch raunches an apocalyptic leopard riff.
"But you can never leave".
Well, it's surely one of the most sought after buildings in The Big City, dearly beloved.

Good luck to go find an album that's so overtly Rock'n'Roll.
Prince may be depicted as the leader in the Movie, but a pretty far gone one.
That's rock'n'roll right there. The James Dean anguish. Broken families.
You gimme fever and all that jazz.

Purple Rain is the first true multimedia experience in pop history.
The theatrics of the Tour cannot be touched. They're the final touch, were the record passes the final test.
Hear these women scream, it's defeaning.

Unavoidable yesterday, unavoidable tomorrow, unavoidable today.
But it takes immersion to appreciate it, as many precious things do.

And say what thou whilst, on record he'll still be a friendly, nasty, ol' fellow.
The most seductive crooner, the ultimate yelper, a man reaching for angelic heights.
The guy knew how to laugh and that's, in my book,
a big yellow-markered bookmark
for the Chef-d’œuvre recipe.

On this occasion let me wish U all
environmentally friendly hamburgers,
organic root beer,
not to mention a fine,
perfect,
week-end.

[Edited 3/9/18 7:20am]

Most of it I did not get, but it sounds brlilliant as usual.

It's like a poem. You're not supposed to get it: instead it's meant to confuse you.