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Vannormal

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Black Album - Prince is still hot

Well, our dearest Prince's 1994 'Black Album' is still going crazy on the vinyl market.

It sold last Januari for $ 5332,00

There's still one left (even more expensive in Euros) for those who are so crazy to pay the small amount of € 5.595,00 ... Superfunkycalifragicrazy !

https://blog.discogs.com/en/top-30-expensive-items-sold-discogs-marketplace-january-2018/?utm_source=dashboard&utm_medium=dash&utm_campaign=top_30_2018_03_05

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From the info we all know, The Black Album essentially was a compilation of individual tracks.

Since it was not recorded as a thematic album, I wonder if there is any knowledge of other configurations before the original cancelled release of December 8, 1987 is known.

Anyone any info on that?

(Sheila E possibly knows more I guess...)

And is it true that his initial idea of releasing that album had something to do with him being frustrated (...) for not being taken serious anymore as a funk artist ?


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Reply #1 posted 03/05/18 12:59pm

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Vannormal said:

Well, our dearest Prince's 1994 'Black Album' is still going crazy on the vinyl market.


It sold last Januari for $ 5332,00


There's still one left (even more expensive in Euros) for those who are so crazy to pay the small amount of € 5.595,00 ... Superfunkycalifragicrazy !



https://blog.discogs.com/en/top-30-expensive-items-sold-discogs-marketplace-january-2018/?utm_source=dashboard&utm_medium=dash&utm_campaign=top_30_2018_03_05



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From the info we all know, The Black Album essentially was a compilation of individual tracks.


Since it was not recorded as a thematic album, I wonder if there is any knowledge of other configurations before the original cancelled release of December 8, 1987 is known.


Anyone any info on that?


(Sheila E possibly knows more I guess...)


And is it true that his initial idea of releasing that album had something to do with him being frustrated (...) for not being taken serious anymore as a funk artist ?





If the Black Album is not a THEMATIC album, I wonder which Prince album was.
No previous configuration is known to exist. You nay wanna check a site called Princevault for those questions.
The album was indeed Prince's response to being perceived as too pop and his music not being played in the clubs so much anymore. At least that's what's been reported by those who were around at the time.
[Edited 3/5/18 13:03pm]
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Reply #2 posted 03/05/18 1:14pm

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I still want to hear the song Pussy Power from these sessions, that was mentioned by Prince as part of a proposed deluxe remaster edition.

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Reply #3 posted 03/05/18 1:26pm

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databank said:

If the Black Album is not a THEMATIC album, I wonder which Prince album was. No previous configuration is known to exist. You nay wanna check a site called Princevault for those questions. The album was indeed Prince's response to being perceived as too pop and his music not being played in the clubs so much anymore. At least that's what's been reported by those who were around at the time. [Edited 3/5/18 13:03pm]

Well,

the 'thematic' thing I got from the Princevault site though. wink

Go check it.

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So there seems to be another track (as expected of course) from these session called "Pussy Power, says SchlomoThaHomo. Good to know. Thanks !!

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His (sometimes used) sessions musicians at that time should know more...

All these party screams and fun by Cat and Greg and Wally, Sheila... they possibly have some great insight, no ?

[Edited 3/5/18 13:27pm]

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Reply #4 posted 03/05/18 1:48pm

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Vannormal said:

Well, our dearest Prince's 1994 'Black Album' is still going crazy on the vinyl market.

It sold last Januari for $ 5332,00

There's still one left (even more expensive in Euros) for those who are so crazy to pay the small amount of € 5.595,00 ... Superfunkycalifragicrazy !

https://blog.discogs.com/en/top-30-expensive-items-sold-discogs-marketplace-january-2018/?utm_source=dashboard&utm_medium=dash&utm_campaign=top_30_2018_03_05

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From the info we all know, The Black Album essentially was a compilation of individual tracks.

Since it was not recorded as a thematic album, I wonder if there is any knowledge of other configurations before the original cancelled release of December 8, 1987 is known.

Anyone any info on that?

(Sheila E possibly knows more I guess...)

And is it true that his initial idea of releasing that album had something to do with him being frustrated (...) for not being taken serious anymore as a funk artist ?



I have the promo and thats only going for $120 + sad If people wanted my copy for $5,000 I'd sell it immedialtey lol

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #5 posted 03/05/18 2:02pm

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

I still want to hear the song Pussy Power from these sessions, that was mentioned by Prince as part of a proposed deluxe remaster edition.


First time I hear about it, but I now desperately need to hear it!
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Reply #6 posted 03/05/18 8:44pm

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Vannormal said:

databank said:

If the Black Album is not a THEMATIC album, I wonder which Prince album was. No previous configuration is known to exist. You nay wanna check a site called Princevault for those questions. The album was indeed Prince's response to being perceived as too pop and his music not being played in the clubs so much anymore. At least that's what's been reported by those who were around at the time. [Edited 3/5/18 13:03pm]

Well,

the 'thematic' thing I got from the Princevault site though. wink

Go check it.

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So there seems to be another track (as expected of course) from these session called "Pussy Power, says SchlomoThaHomo. Good to know. Thanks !!

-

His (sometimes used) sessions musicians at that time should know more...

All these party screams and fun by Cat and Greg and Wally, Sheila... they possibly have some great insight, no ?

[Edited 3/5/18 13:27pm]

First time I hear about Pussy Power, too. Not on Princevault, no other occurence when googled: I doubt the title is correct. @Schlomo what was your source?

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I see the "thematic" thing is indeed from Princevault. I coudn't disagree more with how they have put it because it tends top give the wrong impression, but it's a matter of grammar really. They should have written something in the line of "of individual tracks that were not originally recorded with that project in mind", and I would also have avoided the word "compilation". What I mean by that is that many a Prince album is a composite of tracks that were recorded with that specific project in mind and random tracks from P's continuous sessions, some recent and some pulled from the vault and more or less reworked. I've noticed that some fans sometimes make a hierarchy between what they perceive as "real" albums vs. "albums that are just compilations", which makes little sense from Prince's perspective.

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ANyway and regardless of its recording process, TBA is in the end one of Prince's most thematically cohesive records ever, which is also why I found the choice of words unhappy.

[Edited 3/5/18 20:45pm]

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Reply #7 posted 03/05/18 8:48pm

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databank said:

Vannormal said:

Well,

the 'thematic' thing I got from the Princevault site though. wink

Go check it.

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So there seems to be another track (as expected of course) from these session called "Pussy Power, says SchlomoThaHomo. Good to know. Thanks !!

-

His (sometimes used) sessions musicians at that time should know more...

All these party screams and fun by Cat and Greg and Wally, Sheila... they possibly have some great insight, no ?

[Edited 3/5/18 13:27pm]

First time I hear about Pussy Power, too. Not on Princevault, no other occurence when googled: I doubt the title is correct. @Schlomo what was your source?


I can't remember. Maybe one of those Prince essays for an old website? Maybe someone else remembers. That was definitely the title, I remember that. Doesn't seem so out of line coming from a time when put out a song called Scarlet Pussy.

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Reply #8 posted 03/05/18 8:54pm

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I remember reading something about pussy power... something along the lines of it being recorded and pressed for guests at a private party or fashion show at paisley park?
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Reply #9 posted 03/06/18 12:09am

Vannormal

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databank said:

Vannormal said:

Well,

the 'thematic' thing I got from the Princevault site though. wink

Go check it.

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So there seems to be another track (as expected of course) from these session called "Pussy Power, says SchlomoThaHomo. Good to know. Thanks !!

-

His (sometimes used) sessions musicians at that time should know more...

All these party screams and fun by Cat and Greg and Wally, Sheila... they possibly have some great insight, no ?

[Edited 3/5/18 13:27pm]

First time I hear about Pussy Power, too. Not on Princevault, no other occurence when googled: I doubt the title is correct. @Schlomo what was your source?

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I see the "thematic" thing is indeed from Princevault. I coudn't disagree more with how they have put it because it tends top give the wrong impression, but it's a matter of grammar really. They should have written something in the line of "of individual tracks that were not originally recorded with that project in mind", and I would also have avoided the word "compilation". What I mean by that is that many a Prince album is a composite of tracks that were recorded with that specific project in mind and random tracks from P's continuous sessions, some recent and some pulled from the vault and more or less reworked. I've noticed that some fans sometimes make a hierarchy between what they perceive as "real" albums vs. "albums that are just compilations", which makes little sense from Prince's perspective.

.

ANyway and regardless of its recording process, TBA is in the end one of Prince's most thematically cohesive records ever, which is also why I found the choice of words unhappy.

[Edited 3/5/18 20:45pm]

Oh I agree. it's a GREAT COHESIVE album.

And yes, for sure, Prince's most ablums are just assembled tracks, as he contineously recorded.

Indeed nothing new.

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Interesting find on the official PP instagram acount a story that the recordings of The Black Album was certainly a put together compilation of losely recorded tracks (as usual):

"...songs recorded in late 1986, and later some tracking taking place in the just completed studio B of PP in October 1987, right before the album was send to Warner Br. for mastering in November '87 (as follow up to Sign 'O' The Times), to hit the stores at December 8..."

Apparently When 2 R In Love being the last track recorded in just finished studio B (knowing that Studio A was still in the works...)

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You know The Black Album remaines one of my all time favourite Prince albums. It's super tight !

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Vannormal said:

databank said:

First time I hear about Pussy Power, too. Not on Princevault, no other occurence when googled: I doubt the title is correct. @Schlomo what was your source?

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I see the "thematic" thing is indeed from Princevault. I coudn't disagree more with how they have put it because it tends top give the wrong impression, but it's a matter of grammar really. They should have written something in the line of "of individual tracks that were not originally recorded with that project in mind", and I would also have avoided the word "compilation". What I mean by that is that many a Prince album is a composite of tracks that were recorded with that specific project in mind and random tracks from P's continuous sessions, some recent and some pulled from the vault and more or less reworked. I've noticed that some fans sometimes make a hierarchy between what they perceive as "real" albums vs. "albums that are just compilations", which makes little sense from Prince's perspective.

.

ANyway and regardless of its recording process, TBA is in the end one of Prince's most thematically cohesive records ever, which is also why I found the choice of words unhappy.

[Edited 3/5/18 20:45pm]

Oh I agree. it's a GREAT COHESIVE album.

And yes, for sure, Prince's most ablums are just assembled tracks, as he contineously recorded.

Indeed nothing new.

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Interesting find on the official PP instagram acount a story that the recordings of The Black Album was certainly a put together compilation of losely recorded tracks (as usual):

"...songs recorded in late 1986, and later some tracking taking place in the just completed studio B of PP in October 1987, right before the album was send to Warner Br. for mastering in November '87 (as follow up to Sign 'O' The Times), to hit the stores at December 8..."

Apparently When 2 R In Love being the last track recorded in just finished studio B (knowing that Studio A was still in the works...)

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You know The Black Album remaines one of my all time favourite Prince albums. It's super tight !

If any earlier configuration was ever made, which is of course far from impossible, it's possible that Duane's research will reveal it when/if it reaches the 87-88 volume.

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I remember reading something about pussy power... something along the lines of it being recorded and pressed for guests at a private party or fashion show at paisley park?

IDK guys, it may exist and Pvault/Uptown may have missed it if it was only mentioned once. IDK really. Would be great if you'd find that interview nod

I also wonder when and why Prince addressed a possible deluxe rerelease of TBA of all records eek

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Reply #12 posted 03/06/18 2:31pm

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databank said:

peedub said:

I remember reading something about pussy power... something along the lines of it being recorded and pressed for guests at a private party or fashion show at paisley park?

IDK guys, it may exist and Pvault/Uptown may have missed it if it was only mentioned once. IDK really. Would be great if you'd find that interview nod

I also wonder when and why Prince addressed a possible deluxe rerelease of TBA of all records eek


iirc it was mentioned to the peach n black podcast crew? not sure though.


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Reply #13 posted 03/08/18 4:55am

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What I remember that some of the Black Album tracks were played at a (birthday?)party of Sheila E., iirc, even recorded specifically to be played at this party, which was, I suppose, in a club, maybe attributing why people around Prince always said this album was specifically aimed at a dance orientated club audience.

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Also, there's Girl Power, maybe Pussy Power is that same song, only with a g-rated title?

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HamsterHuey said:

Also, there's Girl Power, maybe Pussy Power is that same song, only with a g-rated title?

Because it was attached to Sheila E's Birthday music, I could see the song being Girl Power or Scarlet Pussy, which both were for her 4th album

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Also, there's Girl Power, maybe Pussy Power is that same song, only with a g-rated title?

There's also Good Pussy so maybe we could mash' em all up and get a song titled Good Girl Pussy Power? Sounds appealing to me nod lol

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#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

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What's the matter with your life
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SchlomoThaHomo said:

I still want to hear the song Pussy Power from these sessions, that was mentioned by Prince as part of a proposed deluxe remaster edition.

There is a song called Walking In Glory that is a Black Album outtake too

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HamsterHuey said:


Also, there's Girl Power, maybe Pussy Power is that same song, only with a g-rated title?



There's also Good Pussy so maybe we could mash' em all up and get a song titled Good Girl Pussy Power? Sounds appealing to me nod lol


Even better: Good Girl Pussy Power Control! wink
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NorthC said:

databank said:

There's also Good Pussy so maybe we could mash' em all up and get a song titled Good Girl Pussy Power? Sounds appealing to me nod lol

Even better: Good Girl Pussy Power Control! wink

With a title like that we gonna sell millions biggrin

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OldFriends4Sale said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I still want to hear the song Pussy Power from these sessions, that was mentioned by Prince as part of a proposed deluxe remaster edition.

There is a song called Walking In Glory that is a Black Album outtake too


I didn't realize that was a Black Album outtake. Seems like it would be out of place on that record.

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

There is a song called Walking In Glory that is a Black Album outtake too


I didn't realize that was a Black Album outtake. Seems like it would be out of place on that record.

The song might be nastier than the title suggests.

But again that one's not listed on Pvault and a google search only indicates previous occurences on the Org. I would like a source (source might be an orger with connections but then it'd be nice to establish who and how they got the info).

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databank said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:


I didn't realize that was a Black Album outtake. Seems like it would be out of place on that record.

The song might be nastier than the title suggests.

But again that one's not listed on Pvault and a google search only indicates previous occurences on the Org. I would like a source (source might be an orger with connections but then it'd be nice to establish who and how they got the info).


Found it on princevault.com under the title "Walkin' In Glory." Recorded the same day as Bob George, with Susan Rogers believing it was recorded to compensate for the tone of that song. So I guess it's from the sessions, but maybe not an outtake.

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

databank said:

The song might be nastier than the title suggests.

But again that one's not listed on Pvault and a google search only indicates previous occurences on the Org. I would like a source (source might be an orger with connections but then it'd be nice to establish who and how they got the info).


Found it on princevault.com under the title "Walkin' In Glory." Recorded the same day as Bob George, with Susan Rogers believing it was recorded to compensate for the tone of that song. So I guess it's from the sessions, but maybe not an outtake.

Aaaah, that song! OK, thx.

An outtake, by definition, is a song that was either specifically recorded or, at least, considered for an album, then discarted.

In the case of a musician recording a specific album in a specific set of sessions, like many do, the term could be appropriate regardless, but given that Prince would continously record anything on any given day for any specific project or for the mere sake of recording a song, it's as inappropriate to call Walkin' In Glory a TBA outtake as to claim that every song recorded between September 1986 (recording of Superfunkycalifragisexy) and October 1987 (When 2 R In Love) is a Black Album outtake. It's just confusing.

[Edited 3/8/18 9:11am]

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Exactly, i remember i read that too.

Possibly there are more tracks 'just recorded like that' for party purposes.

So album configurations are always very uncertain.

Sometimes they excist in the mind, or as a pencil pennend doodle on some ripped piece of paper,

or in a conversation, or even with a official press announcement and then withdrawn/cancelled.

As we experienced so many times the last 40 years.

That's what makes it so interesting. smile

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databank said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:


Found it on princevault.com under the title "Walkin' In Glory." Recorded the same day as Bob George, with Susan Rogers believing it was recorded to compensate for the tone of that song. So I guess it's from the sessions, but maybe not an outtake.

Aaaah, that song! OK, thx.

An outtake, by definition, is a song that was either specifically recorded or, at least, considered for an album, then discarted.

In the case of a musician recording a specific album in a specific set of sessions, like many do, the term could be appropriate regardless, but given that Prince would continously record anything on any given day for any specific project or for the mere sake of recording a song, it's as inappropriate to call Walkin' In Glory a TBA outtake as to claim that every song recorded between September 1986 (recording of Superfunkycalifragisexy) and October 1987 (When 2 R In Love) is a Black Album outtake. It's just confusing.

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You're absolutely right.

But they were in the 'spirit' of that specific era.

He often went back to his back catalog, and rerecorded stuff in that specific time frame 'spirit'.

That also is true.

But i agree that not every song recorded right then, is an outtake.

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databank said:

HamsterHuey said:

Also, there's Girl Power, maybe Pussy Power is that same song, only with a g-rated title?

There's also Good Pussy so maybe we could mash' em all up and get a song titled Good Girl Pussy Power? Sounds appealing to me nod lol

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I can't wait until someone turns all the pussy and dawg songs in an x-rated musical.

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Reply #28 posted 03/09/18 12:59am

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databank said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:


Found it on princevault.com under the title "Walkin' In Glory." Recorded the same day as Bob George, with Susan Rogers believing it was recorded to compensate for the tone of that song. So I guess it's from the sessions, but maybe not an outtake.

Aaaah, that song! OK, thx.

An outtake, by definition, is a song that was either specifically recorded or, at least, considered for an album, then discarted.

In the case of a musician recording a specific album in a specific set of sessions, like many do, the term could be appropriate regardless, but given that Prince would continously record anything on any given day for any specific project or for the mere sake of recording a song, it's as inappropriate to call Walkin' In Glory a TBA outtake as to claim that every song recorded between September 1986 (recording of Superfunkycalifragisexy) and October 1987 (When 2 R In Love) is a Black Album outtake. It's just confusing.

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I would put it to you that an outtake is any recorded song that never received an official release. As for determining which album an outtake may be from, the answer is unobtainable because as you said, any unreleased song could be a candidate for the next album. TBA is especially difficult because not even the songs that made the album were recorded with the album in mind. This would make any song recorded that fit TBA vibe was potentially an outtake for that album. Same can be said of C&D and possibly many others.

Anyway, im being pedantic. truth is any unreleased song is potentially an outtake for any album, whether in its current guise or in a updated version to fit an album. The only exception to that rule I would say are the unreleased songs that got leaked. The majority of them never got remade or resurrected for an album. Its almost as if the leaked songs became dead to Prince. In a way that is such a shame because if they never leaked, imagine how many may have seen an official release on future albums... It is almost as if his "songs saved for a rainy day" had been pillaged.

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HamsterHuey said:

databank said:

There's also Good Pussy so maybe we could mash' em all up and get a song titled Good Girl Pussy Power? Sounds appealing to me nod lol

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I can't wait until someone turns all the pussy and dawg songs in an x-rated musical.

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