FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

Then it's obvious to me you have no understanding. Forget about whether he was misquoted or not...people who worked with him at the time testify as much. Susan Rogers is actually on record saying Prince was Republican ("not alot of people know that"). Also, that bit where you blather on about "political understanding" and "he [Ronnie] was racist"...that's in your mind...you do know that don't you? Please say yes.

Prince might have very well been a Republican as a young man, but in his later years, he was apolitical, in terms of electoral politics. And, just because Susan Rogers says that P was Republican doesn't make it the gospel.

Lastly, call it "blather" if you will, but, over the years, Prince became pretty steeped in American history and current events. If we are to believe Tavis Smiley, Prince would have him invite panelists from his once annual State of the Black Union forums to his house to dialogue for hours about topics culled from his copious notes taken while watching the televised event from home. People like Dick Gregory and Cornel West.

Another report indicates that he was reading the works of Dr. John Henrik Clarke, the noted African-centered historian. And, Lerone Bennett, Jr.'s scathing critique of Abraham Lincoln, Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream, is reportedly on a shelf in his office at Paisley Park. These facts, and more, indicate to me that Prince was politically astute enough to know that Ronald Reagan was a dyed-in-the-wool racist. That is all.

[Edited 3/12/18 21:52pm]

the bolded^^^^^^ so true.

Van gets called names but Susan speaks gospel and is believed beyond a shadow.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

I'm telling you how Prince was in the 80's. The rest of it on you...that's not my argument. Your dismissal of Rogers is, of course, silly. How the hell would you know? Finally, remember that your position has to assume I'm right.

I'm not dismissing Susan Rogers. I'm saying that, for me to believe that Prince ever had any political party affiliation, I would need to see a voter registration card...or a video of Prince himself making that declaration. Make of that what you will.

i would need to hear him say it too. i don't think he would have classified himself to one

party or another. i think he would have identified what he felt was right or wrong and whatever

system you needed to follow to digest what he said, he would have let you do so. but be lumped

into one bucket, no i don't think P would have done that.

and there are tons of Conservative Democrats and Liberal Repubilcans i would think. Lincoln was

a Republican for petes sake.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

Not to Susan Rogers. To you. Your argument is what's called "unfalsifiable", and it's generally considered to be the weakest. You know that the chances of someone waving Prince's voter registration form under your nose is slim--and that's why you use it. There's other shady things about you and your argument too. I say: Prince was most likely Conservative--and yes, according to Susan Rogers, Republican--back in the 80's. This sets you off on an interminably long non-sequitur about how Prince's position moved towards the Left in the intervening years anyway (something I don't contest). In any event, when I point out how you're underlining my own argument, suddenly you want to change the argument. Now you want documented proof he was Conservative back in the day. Where did that come from? I thought you were starting from the basis that was on the Right. No offense, but your reasoning is all over the place. I can't be arsed going back and forth with you. Only respond if you address my points directly. Don't let that mind of yours go off on some other tangent.

What have I changed? I'm simply stating that just because Susan Rogers said that Prince was a Republican, doesn't mean that it is the gospel truth. What part of that don't you understand? This is a classic case of hearsay. And, don't get me wrong, I admire Dr. Rogers' work with Prince, but she is not a deity...and her opinion on P is not sacrosanct. It is not law. That is all.

Hearsay? You act like she's some idiot on this board. Hearsay. Jesus. She only worked side-by-side with the man, closely and personally, for several years...and you call that "hearsay". Methinks you have some shadier, best-left-unsaid, reason for not wanting to believer her.

Also, after all that, you're argument basically comes down to "don't believe everything you hear". Let's not forget that there's corroborating evidence from other co-workers at the time too. What more do you need? Oh, yes, a fricking voter registration card, that's what! The fact that Prince was right-wing really gets your goat, doesn't it? You can't even go there. You can't even think in those terms. It hurts too much. Sorry, dude, it's true. Prince. was. right. wing.

purplefam99 said:

pricetag said:

Does it really matter what you think? Go watch the video.

It does matter that people say they "i think..." because i am telling you i am not pressing my view on you i am simply telling you my view.

Thanks for your input.

purplefam99 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Prince might have very well been a Republican as a young man, but in his later years, he was apolitical, in terms of electoral politics. And, just because Susan Rogers says that P was Republican doesn't make it the gospel.

Lastly, call it "blather" if you will, but, over the years, Prince became pretty steeped in American history and current events. If we are to believe Tavis Smiley, Prince would have him invite panelists from his once annual State of the Black Union forums to his house to dialogue for hours about topics culled from his copious notes taken while watching the televised event from home. People like Dick Gregory and Cornel West.

Another report indicates that he was reading the works of Dr. John Henrik Clarke, the noted African-centered historian. And, Lerone Bennett, Jr.'s scathing critique of Abraham Lincoln, Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream, is reportedly on a shelf in his office at Paisley Park. These facts, and more, indicate to me that Prince was politically astute enough to know that Ronald Reagan was a dyed-in-the-wool racist. That is all.

[Edited 3/12/18 21:52pm]

the bolded^^^^^^ so true.

Van gets called names but Susan speaks gospel and is believed beyond a shadow.

I think you have another reason for not wanting to believe her. Something probably better left unsaid.

pricetag said:

purplefam99 said:

the bolded^^^^^^ so true.

Van gets called names but Susan speaks gospel and is believed beyond a shadow.

I think you have another reason for not wanting to believe her. Something probably better left unsaid.

Even Prince shaded Susan. I do not think he ever thought she would repeat everything he ever told her and quite frankly he gave her a hugh break and she should be more respectful.

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

What have I changed? I'm simply stating that just because Susan Rogers said that Prince was a Republican, doesn't mean that it is the gospel truth. What part of that don't you understand? This is a classic case of hearsay. And, don't get me wrong, I admire Dr. Rogers' work with Prince, but she is not a deity...and her opinion on P is not sacrosanct. It is not law. That is all.

Hearsay? You act like she's some idiot on this board. Hearsay. Jesus. She only worked side-by-side with the man, closely and personally, for several years...and you call that "hearsay". Methinks you have some shadier, best-left-unsaid, reason for not wanting to believer her.

Also, after all that, you're argument basically comes down to "don't believe everything you hear". Let's not forget that there's corroborating evidence from other co-workers at the time too. What more do you need? Oh, yes, a fricking voter registration card, that's what! The fact that Prince was right-wing really gets your goat, doesn't it? You can't even go there. You can't even think in those terms. It hurts too much. Sorry, dude, it's true. Prince. was. right. wing.

Okay.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

Hearsay? You act like she's some idiot on this board. Hearsay. Jesus. She only worked side-by-side with the man, closely and personally, for several years...and you call that "hearsay". Methinks you have some shadier, best-left-unsaid, reason for not wanting to believer her.

Also, after all that, you're argument basically comes down to "don't believe everything you hear". Let's not forget that there's corroborating evidence from other co-workers at the time too. What more do you need? Oh, yes, a fricking voter registration card, that's what! The fact that Prince was right-wing really gets your goat, doesn't it? You can't even go there. You can't even think in those terms. It hurts too much. Sorry, dude, it's true. Prince. was. right. wing.

Okay.

He grew up in the midwest and he had conservative views. He would not be the first person to have conservative personel views and liberal social views.

laurarichardson said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Okay.

He grew up in the midwest and he had conservative views. He would not be the first person to have conservative personel views and liberal social views.

Yes, but conservative and "right wing" are not synonymous.

laurarichardson said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Okay.

He grew up in the midwest and he had conservative views. He would not be the first person to have conservative personel views and liberal social views.

This pretty much nails it.

FlyOnTheWall said:

laurarichardson said:

He grew up in the midwest and he had conservative views. He would not be the first person to have conservative personel views and liberal social views.

Yes, but conservative and "right wing" are not synonymous.

This is true and many people do not understand that. I am fiscally conservative in my own life and and conservative in the manner that I live my life. but I believe in social programs and I do not believe in imposing my views on others something Right Wing people cannot seem to understand.

FlyOnTheWall said:

laurarichardson said:

He grew up in the midwest and he had conservative views. He would not be the first person to have conservative personel views and liberal social views.

Yes, but conservative and "right wing" are not synonymous.

I'd say, if you were a Reagan supporter, it's safe to assume you were right-wing too.

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Yes, but conservative and "right wing" are not synonymous.

I'd say, if you were a Reagan supporter, it's safe to assume you were right-wing too.

Dude he may have made an off hand comment about Reagan when the US was getting its ass handed to them by Iran. It in know why means he was supporting all of the racist shit Republicans do now a days.

Look at his associations with Van, Pheadra and liberal charities and causes. Come on now.

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Yes, but conservative and "right wing" are not synonymous.

I'd say, if you were a Reagan supporter, it's safe to assume you were right-wing too.

"If" being the operative word...

laurarichardson said:

pricetag said:

I'd say, if you were a Reagan supporter, it's safe to assume you were right-wing too.

Dude he may have made an off hand comment about Reagan when the US was getting its ass handed to them by Iran. It in know why means he was supporting all of the racist shit Republicans do now a days.

Look at his associations with Van, Pheadra and liberal charities and causes. Come on now.

Jeez. I had to go through all of this with the other guy. What I say is based on corroborating testimony among those who worked with him at the time. What's so controversial about this? You (and the other guy) automatically go to his progessive leanings in his last years (which I neither talk about or contest). The fact that you need to reiterate this shift must be a point in my favor, surely. it assumes I'm right. Come on now.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

I'd say, if you were a Reagan supporter, it's safe to assume you were right-wing too.

"If" being the operative word...

"safe to assume" also be operative.

pricetag said:

laurarichardson said:

Dude he may have made an off hand comment about Reagan when the US was getting its ass handed to them by Iran. It in know why means he was supporting all of the racist shit Republicans do now a days.

Look at his associations with Van, Pheadra and liberal charities and causes. Come on now.

Jeez. I had to go through all of this with the other guy. What I say is based on corroborating testimony among those who worked with him at the time. What's so controversial about this? You (and the other guy) automatically go to his progessive leanings in his last years (which I neither talk about or contest). The fact that you need to reiterate this shift must be a point in my favor, surely. it assumes I'm right. Come on now.

What is your point? Because he pissed off like most Americans about the Iran hostage stituation does not mean he was a Republican. I like my state's governor and he is a Republican he does not support Donnie's nonsense. I am a Democrat but I have no issuing listening to other candidates.

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

"If" being the operative word...

"safe to assume" also be operative.

You probably know what they say about assumptions.

laurarichardson said:

pricetag said:

Jeez. I had to go through all of this with the other guy. What I say is based on corroborating testimony among those who worked with him at the time. What's so controversial about this? You (and the other guy) automatically go to his progessive leanings in his last years (which I neither talk about or contest). The fact that you need to reiterate this shift must be a point in my favor, surely. it assumes I'm right. Come on now.

What is your point? Because he pissed off like most Americans about the Iran hostage stituation does not mean he was a Republican. I like my state's governor and he is a Republican he does not support Donnie's nonsense. I am a Democrat but I have no issuing listening to other candidates.

My point is clear--I believe Susan Rogers when she says Prince was a Republican (at that time). Your experience is irrelevant, surely.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

"safe to assume" also be operative.

You probably know what they say about assumptions.

Nope.

pricetag said:

laurarichardson said:

What is your point? Because he pissed off like most Americans about the Iran hostage stituation does not mean he was a Republican. I like my state's governor and he is a Republican he does not support Donnie's nonsense. I am a Democrat but I have no issuing listening to other candidates.

My point is clear--I believe Susan Rogers when she says Prince was a Republican (at that time). Your experience is irrelevant, surely.

If you think Susan's word is gold then so be it. After all she knew Prince better then he knew himself.

Think about that for a minute I bet he would not have been able to walk or chew gum if she was not around.

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

You probably know what they say about assumptions.

Nope.

I'm not surprised.

laurarichardson said:

pricetag said:

My point is clear--I believe Susan Rogers when she says Prince was a Republican (at that time). Your experience is irrelevant, surely.

If you think Susan's word is gold then so be it. After all she knew Prince better then he knew himself.

Think about that for a minute I bet he would not have been able to walk or chew gum if she was not around.

Yeah, she only worked closely with him, side-by-side, for several years. Anyway, the tone of your voice makes me feel like something shady is going on. Is there something you don't like about her?Something better left unsaid?

FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

Nope.

I'm not surprised.

My, how you've fallen.

GrayDorian said:

Ok, Van may have been on the box a lot, but he wasn't self promoting. He was giving testament to how extraordinarily generous Prince has been with respect to charitable causes. Prince didn't like one hand to know what the other was doing, when he was giving. That meant most folks weren't aware of his charitable works and giving nature. I thought Van showed genuine love and emotion, when speaking about his friend. Regardless of politics, I respect him for speaking out on Prince's behalf, especially at such a difficult time, when nobody wants to face an interview. My apologies to cloveringold85 that the above post has come out reading as though my thoughts are yours. I'm not sure how to correct it. Sorry about that!

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It's okay.

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I'm not surprised.

My, how you've fallen.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

My, how you've fallen.

It started so well too...quoting all the charities and causes...now it's "I'm not surprised". Poor thing.

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

It is my understanding that Prince says he was misquoted in the infamous statement attributed to him about Reagan in the 1980's. And, if he did actually say it, I'd bet good money that, as his political understanding grew, he came to know that Ronnie was no prince. Plus, he was racist...and, well, Prince was Black.

Then it's obvious to me you have no understanding. Forget about whether he was misquoted or not...people who worked with him at the time testify as much. Susan Rogers is actually on record saying Prince was Republican ("not alot of people know that"). Also, that bit where you blather on about "political understanding" and "he [Ronnie] was racist"...that's in your mind...you do know that don't you? Please say yes.

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I dunno about that; I've heard Prince on-camera say he didn't vote and wasn't into politics.

cloveringold85 said:

pricetag said:

Then it's obvious to me you have no understanding. Forget about whether he was misquoted or not...people who worked with him at the time testify as much. Susan Rogers is actually on record saying Prince was Republican ("not alot of people know that"). Also, that bit where you blather on about "political understanding" and "he [Ronnie] was racist"...that's in your mind...you do know that don't you? Please say yes.

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I dunno about that; I've heard Prince on-camera say he didn't vote and wasn't into politics.

What year? If you're going to play with grown-ups, please at least be coherent.

RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

At first, I thought your remarks about Van were racist. Once you proclaimed that you are a Black man, if indeed you are, self-hating was the other option, as your remarks were definitely offensive. It is what it is.

offensive to who?...youre offended because i find Van Jones creepy?...and again, i have to cosign Van Jones, or im self hating?... do you have any real idea of what youre talking about?...doesnt seem like it...

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My personal observation here.......I know black people who don't like other black people, for some reason or another, and the same goes for white people. I am white, and there are plenty of white folk that I don't care for.

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For me, I don't look at race as being an issue in any of my relationships -- I look at a person for WHO they are; not by the color of your skin. There is love and kindness -- in all races. There is hatred in all races, and all walks of life.

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Prince did not like putting up boundaries and walls on people and their race. I happen to feel the same way, because of my upbringing. I have black friends and white friends and some of them are good and some were bad. I say "were", because they are no longer a part of my life.

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Like MLK said: A man should be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Wise words to live by.

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Sorry to interrupt.