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Article: Revisiting the debut of Prince's 'Cause and Effect'

Check out the article published by The Current entitled "Revisiting the debut of Prince's 'Cause and Effect'":

https://www.thecurrent.or...nd-effect-
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Reply #1 posted 02/28/18 7:50am

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I love this song! Thanks Latin!

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Reply #2 posted 02/28/18 9:26am

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I always thought this was a song w/o an album (like "17 Days"). When I ripped 20Ten to my computer, I put "Cause and Effect" as the opening track, and also inserted "Hot Summer (Extended)" before "Laydown" or "Everybody Loves Me". They were two songs that needed a place to sit and for some reason I put them there. They both fit quite well.

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Reply #3 posted 02/28/18 9:32am

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TrivialPursuit said:

I always thought this was a song w/o an album (like "17 Days"). When I ripped 20Ten to my computer, I put "Cause and Effect" as the opening track, and also inserted "Hot Summer (Extended)" before "Laydown" or "Everybody Loves Me". They were two songs that needed a place to sit and for some reason I put them there. They both fit quite well.



I think they were both intended tracks for '20Ten' when it was originally conceived as a double album. I seem to recall the album title initially partly referred to it being a double album with ten songs per disc.

Not sure if these songs were intended for '20Ten Deluxe' either?
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Reply #4 posted 02/28/18 9:56am

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OperatingThetan said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I always thought this was a song w/o an album (like "17 Days"). When I ripped 20Ten to my computer, I put "Cause and Effect" as the opening track, and also inserted "Hot Summer (Extended)" before "Laydown" or "Everybody Loves Me". They were two songs that needed a place to sit and for some reason I put them there. They both fit quite well.

I think they were both intended tracks for '20Ten' when it was originally conceived as a double album. I seem to recall the album title initially partly referred to it being a double album with ten songs per disc. Not sure if these songs were intended for '20Ten Deluxe' either?

I think it was mentioned that W2A and F.U.N.K.were to be included as well.C&E would have been a great opener for 20ten.There was an article posted about 20ten Deluxe not too long ago.

[Edited 2/28/18 10:12am]

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Reply #5 posted 02/28/18 9:58am

TrivialPursuit

OperatingThetan said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I always thought this was a song w/o an album (like "17 Days"). When I ripped 20Ten to my computer, I put "Cause and Effect" as the opening track, and also inserted "Hot Summer (Extended)" before "Laydown" or "Everybody Loves Me". They were two songs that needed a place to sit and for some reason I put them there. They both fit quite well.

I think they were both intended tracks for '20Ten' when it was originally conceived as a double album. I seem to recall the album title initially partly referred to it being a double album with ten songs per disc. Not sure if these songs were intended for '20Ten Deluxe' either?


"Hot Summer" was a track for The Time.

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Reply #6 posted 02/28/18 10:14am

pinkcashmere23

TrivialPursuit said:

OperatingThetan said:

TrivialPursuit said: I think they were both intended tracks for '20Ten' when it was originally conceived as a double album. I seem to recall the album title initially partly referred to it being a double album with ten songs per disc. Not sure if these songs were intended for '20Ten Deluxe' either?


"Hot Summer" was a track for The Time.

Didn't know that.Was it intended for Condensate?

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Reply #7 posted 02/28/18 10:48am

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TrivialPursuit said:



OperatingThetan said:


TrivialPursuit said:

I always thought this was a song w/o an album (like "17 Days"). When I ripped 20Ten to my computer, I put "Cause and Effect" as the opening track, and also inserted "Hot Summer (Extended)" before "Laydown" or "Everybody Loves Me". They were two songs that needed a place to sit and for some reason I put them there. They both fit quite well.



I think they were both intended tracks for '20Ten' when it was originally conceived as a double album. I seem to recall the album title initially partly referred to it being a double album with ten songs per disc. Not sure if these songs were intended for '20Ten Deluxe' either?


"Hot Summer" was a track for The Time.



I was surprised to see the original recording date for 'Hot Summer'. Intrigues me how many other 'new' songs were re-recorded vault tracks.
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Reply #8 posted 02/28/18 12:50pm

BillS

Hearing it over and over on the LOL tour was great. One of the shows in Seattle people were singing "Compassion" so loud it was crazy. Plus it has one of my favorite lyrics.... "If you stamp your passport full of regret you have nothing to remember but a lot to forget."

[Edited 2/28/18 12:50pm]

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Reply #9 posted 02/28/18 1:30pm

TrivialPursuit

pinkcashmere23 said:

TrivialPursuit said:


"Hot Summer" was a track for The Time.

Didn't know that.Was it intended for Condensate?


Prince had nothing to do w/ Condensate other than disallowing them using the name The Time. It is an older song. And actually while I thought I read it dated to the 80s, it reminds me very much of "Shake" and Prince's b-side "Girl" (albeit slower in tempo).

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Reply #10 posted 02/28/18 1:44pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Didn't know that.Was it intended for Condensate?


Prince had nothing to do w/ Condensate other than disallowing them using the name The Time. It is an older song. And actually while I thought I read it dated to the 80s, it reminds me very much of "Shake" and Prince's b-side "Girl" (albeit slower in tempo).

I remember them going through the conflict with him over the name and them finally settling on the Original 7.Now that you mention it,Hot Summer is reminiscent of the two.

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Reply #11 posted 03/01/18 8:56am

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Was this song any good live? I always thought it had such an exciting intro but then followed up with a tremendoudly boring track, I figure it might be one of those ones like screwdriver that worked a hell of a lot better when he allowed his guitar to go a bit wild.

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Reply #12 posted 03/01/18 9:52am

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jaawwnn said:

Was this song any good live? I always thought it had such an exciting intro but then followed up with a tremendoudly boring track, I figure it might be one of those ones like screwdriver that worked a hell of a lot better when he allowed his guitar to go a bit wild.

I think the performance of it at Montreux with 3EG was great! It worked very well live.

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Reply #13 posted 03/02/18 12:44pm

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pinkcashmere23 said:

I love this song! Thanks Latin!


You are very welcome. smile
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Reply #14 posted 03/02/18 1:50pm

pinkcashmere23

BillS said:

Hearing it over and over on the LOL tour was great. One of the shows in Seattle people were singing "Compassion" so loud it was crazy. Plus it has one of my favorite lyrics.... "If you stamp your passport full of regret you have nothing to remember but a lot to forget."

[Edited 2/28/18 12:50pm]

I think the song is great lyrically and it's some of his most interesting as well.Sounds like you were lucky enough to attend several shows of the Live Out Loud tour.

[Edited 3/2/18 13:52pm]

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Reply #15 posted 03/02/18 2:45pm

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TY Latin.. You always find interesting things smile
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Reply #16 posted 03/03/18 7:30am

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pinkcashmere23 said:



jaawwnn said:


Was this song any good live? I always thought it had such an exciting intro but then followed up with a tremendoudly boring track, I figure it might be one of those ones like screwdriver that worked a hell of a lot better when he allowed his guitar to go a bit wild.



I think the performance of it at Montreux with 3EG was great! It worked very well live.


Totally agree it rocked at Montreux, one of the highlights of the night3 set list. Sounds like it would have been part of the 20TEN Deluxe release both the sound and lyrically.
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Reply #17 posted 03/03/18 11:23am

BillS

pinkcashmere23 said:

BillS said:

Hearing it over and over on the LOL tour was great. One of the shows in Seattle people were singing "Compassion" so loud it was crazy. Plus it has one of my favorite lyrics.... "If you stamp your passport full of regret you have nothing to remember but a lot to forget."

[Edited 2/28/18 12:50pm]

I think the song is great lyrically and it's some of his most interesting as well.Sounds like you were lucky enough to attend several shows of the Live Out Loud tour.

[Edited 3/2/18 13:52pm]

Yeah I attended three of them in Seattle. The show that had Dolphin and Colonized Mind (he played Cause and Effect at all four Seattle shows) was my favorite though.

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Reply #18 posted 03/03/18 11:56am

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Really like this song. Thanks as always to Latin!!!

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Reply #19 posted 03/03/18 12:05pm

pinkcashmere23

BillS said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think the song is great lyrically and it's some of his most interesting as well.Sounds like you were lucky enough to attend several shows of the Live Out Loud tour.

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Yeah I attended three of them in Seattle. The show that had Dolphin and Colonized Mind (he played Cause and Effect at all four Seattle shows) was my favorite though.

cool They didn't come my way but I've heard audio from some of the shows and it sounds like they were fantastic!

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Reply #20 posted 03/03/18 2:56pm

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I've stuck it as the opener for 20Ten deluxe in my iTunes

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Reply #21 posted 03/03/18 7:36pm

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It was fantastic on the 'Hit N Run' tour in London and the extended jam with chanting was something else.

3RDEYEGIRL genuinely transformed many Prince songs in an exciting way and were at their best when Prince had them play raw and hard to smaller audiences. They lost something when keyboards and other elements were added live later for the arena gigs in my opinion, though Prince still seemed revitalised by their presence.
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Reply #22 posted 03/03/18 9:17pm

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OperatingThetan said:

It was fantastic on the 'Hit N Run' tour in London and the extended jam with chanting was something else. 3RDEYEGIRL genuinely transformed many Prince songs in an exciting way and were at their best when Prince had them play raw and hard to smaller audiences. They lost something when keyboards and other elements were added live later for the arena gigs in my opinion, though Prince still seemed revitalised by their presence.

I agree about 3EG! Would have loved to see them perform with him!

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Reply #23 posted 03/04/18 2:08am

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OperatingThetan said:

TrivialPursuit said:


"Hot Summer" was a track for The Time.

I was surprised to see the original recording date for 'Hot Summer'. Intrigues me how many other 'new' songs were re-recorded vault tracks.

The Time?

"Original recording date"?

No mention of any of this on Pvault and it's the first time I hear any of it.

Could you guys please be a little more specific as to your sources and the infos themselves?

Thx hug

On a sidenote, someone that sounded pretty reliable to me once claimed that at least one song on 20ten was originally tracked in the 80's, but this remains unverified.

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Reply #24 posted 03/04/18 9:06am

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databank said:

OperatingThetan said:

TrivialPursuit said: I was surprised to see the original recording date for 'Hot Summer'. Intrigues me how many other 'new' songs were re-recorded vault tracks.

The Time?

"Original recording date"?

No mention of any of this on Pvault and it's the first time I hear any of it.


Search the Org. One person noted, "I also recall Alan Freed reporting in Impact Magazine that on his tour in the Paisley Park Vault he saw a song with a title written on the tape "Hot Summer" intended for the Time."


http://prince.org/msg/7/337885

http://prince.org/msg/7/334175

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Reply #25 posted 03/04/18 10:28am

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OperatingThetan said:

It was fantastic on the 'Hit N Run' tour in London and the extended jam with chanting was something else.

3RDEYEGIRL genuinely transformed many Prince songs in an exciting way and were at their best when Prince had them play raw and hard to smaller audiences. They lost something when keyboards and other elements were added live later for the arena gigs in my opinion, though Prince still seemed revitalised by their presence.


Agree, I saw them play it in Manchester Academy in 2014.
Those shows in the small venues with 3EG he definitely seemed revitalised as did a lot of the songs most notably Something In The Water and She’s Always In My Hair
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Reply #26 posted 03/04/18 12:01pm

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it says here

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfrjw5EDcyz/

[Edited 3/4/18 12:02pm]

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Reply #27 posted 03/04/18 12:08pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

databank said:

The Time?

"Original recording date"?

No mention of any of this on Pvault and it's the first time I hear any of it.


Search the Org. One person noted, "I also recall Alan Freed reporting in Impact Magazine that on his tour in the Paisley Park Vault he saw a song with a title written on the tape "Hot Summer" intended for the Time."


http://prince.org/msg/7/337885

http://prince.org/msg/7/334175

Cool, thanks.

Princevault has missed that.

However, we have absolutely no proof it's the same song. It could have been another, much older song titled HS. Hard to tell.

When was that Impact Magazine article published?

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Reply #28 posted 03/04/18 12:11pm

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bigd74 said:

it says here

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfrjw5EDcyz/

[Edited 3/4/18 12:02pm]

Thanks.

Same as above, a comment on Funkenberry's post also wonders if it could be an entirely different song.

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Reply #29 posted 03/04/18 12:12pm

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Funken also says his source is Controversy Magazzine, not Impact Magazine.

We have a new mystery on our hands...

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