PennyPurple said:

That's because CoAmerica is saving her tweets..

Lovejunky said:

Rebeljuice said:

I can't find anything related to royalties on the US Copyright Office website. It doesn't even seem to be the place where such an agreement would be recorded. It is about copyright, not where the royalties go.

If Prince did indeed sign over his royalties to RN then that is the "missing will" right there! But without evidence of that, this cannot go down as any kind of fact. If it is a fact it should be made a sticky. Because Prince signing his royalties over to anyone prior to his death puts a lot of speculation to bed. It says that he knew his time was up. It says that he did make a sort of will with regards to his music and all future earnings. It says that he was preparing for someone else to collect his income for the forseeable future. He wouldn't sign over his income if he was planning to stick around.

This NEEDS to be qualified otherwise it is putting incorrect information out there that many people will start regarding as fact when it isn't.

As an aside, what I did find on the US Copyright Office website was the following:

Many (maybe all?) songs under NPG MUSIC PUBLISHING, LCC which cover 2012 to 2016 have this little tidbit entered next to Copyright Claimant: "Transfer: By written agreement. Address: 1611 TELEGRAPH AVENUE, SUITE 600, OAKLAND, CA, 94612".

A quick Google of that address and it appears to belong to WeCanCode. Interesting?

NPG MUSIC PUBLISHING, LCC
Example song with Copyrig...ant - 2y2d

I also found what appears to be a mass submission for his catalogue. Date of execution - 04th April 2014, Date of certification 4th Feb 2016, Date of execution 01st Aug 2016.

Mass submission of $ and 964 titles
Song List

I also found something similar submitted by Bremner trust a little later than the above but the song title count is different. More interestingly it lists two parties - 1) Bremna Trust 2) Universal Music Publishing. So perhaps a precursor to the collapsed deal. There doesn't seem to be any further submissions retracting Universal from the copyright though. Does this mean they still have a stake in it?

Bremna/Universal submissi...her titles

Universal also seem to be included in songs listed for 2009 and 2008 but nothing I can find prior and nothing later.

Lastly, I found this from back in 1996:

Title: Chaos and disorder & 353 other titles/ By the undersigned [non-printable data] formerly known as Prince or Prince Rogers Nelson. (Part 002 of 002)

Notes: Copyright mortgage & assignment; power of attorney.

Party 1: the undersigned [non-printable data] formerly know as Prince or Prince Rogers Nelson & PRN Productions, Inc.

Party 2: City National Bank.

Did he offer up his songs as assurity for a mortgage perhaps?

Chaos and disorder & ...her titles

The entries for Prince on this website are all over the place so it is hard to figure out much and I don't have the time or wherewithall to go through it all. But from my brief visit I found nothing in relation to Roc Nation or Tidal. I found Universal included in some entries. WeCanCode seem to be included in anything from 212 to 2016. Bremna show up once in that mass submission (above) but nothing that I can find pertaining to Comerica or any of the recent players in this saga.

Royalties automatically go to the person/persons who hold copyright unless otherwise assigned/transferred

Re the RED Bolded...We dont have any way of really knowing for sure...but that fact that there is indeed a transfer suggests that there was something going on doesnt it. WHat other reason could their be ?

yeswecode belongs to DREAMCORPS BTW and yes its for every song on the last four albums including Plectrum Electrum.

BY him doing this its very clear that he had Plans to assign rights to his music in association with Charitable/Social causes...

Irregardless of whether he knew he was going or not...He had a mind to support and help others...

there is of course a more sinister way of looking at it...but Im not going there, but when I first discovered this my mind did wander for a bit and I thought

"What if someone was not happy about him signing his money/rights away?"

It appeared he used his song royalties as security to take out a loan.SO he Mortgaged his songs, in a similar way that one mortgages ones house..This is not unusual, but my heart goes out to him that at this time he had money worries.

I wonder what went on in 96

Ive pretty much trawled the copyright site now...

SOme things are confusing...for example

Controversy the Album still cites Warners and Being employers for hire...

Meaning THEY OWN everything the artist creates while he is under contract....

This does not make sense. Prince apparently won his masters back.

SO Copyright office is in serious need of an update !!!!

Type of Work:	Sound Recording
Registration Number / Date:	SR0000030445 / 1981-10-28
Title:	Controversy / produced, arr., composed, and performed by Prince.
Imprint:	c1981.
Publisher Number:	WB Records BSK 3601
Description:	1 sound disc : 33 1/3 rpm ; 12 in. + 1 poster (1 p.)
Copyright Claimant:	© ℗ Warner Brothers Records, Inc.
Date of Creation:	1981
Date of Publication:	1981-10-19
Authorship on Application:	sound recording, photos.: Warner Brothers Records, Inc., employer for hire.
Previous Registration:	Appl. states side 1, band 1 prev. released on a single.
Basis of Claim:	New Matter: side 1, bands 2-3 & side 2; photos.
Contents:	Controversy -- Sexuality -- Do me, baby -- Private joy -- Ronnie, talk to Russia -- Let’s work -- Annie Christian -- Jack u off.
Names:	Prince.

Thanks for that. It is very interesting.

Is there an alternative library of documents that is the official and legal record for copyrights? If so can this website be out of date with no detrimental affect to the actual facts? Or is this website a true reflection of the documented legal standing of a copyright? In other words, can you go to court based on this website's information or is there a more official, up to date office/department that would have the actual facts? A place where perhaps the Controversy copyright does not reflect what this website reflects.

Knowing now that the copyright owner is automatically the receiver of royalties, i might take some time to go through the website and see who is actually getting what from Prince's music.

Rebeljuice said:

Thanks for that. It is very interesting.

Is there an alternative library of documents that is the official and legal record for copyrights? If so can this website be out of date with no detrimental affect to the actual facts? Or is this website a true reflection of the documented legal standing of a copyright? In other words, can you go to court based on this website's information or is there a more official, up to date office/department that would have the actual facts? A place where perhaps the Controversy copyright does not reflect what this website reflects.I do not know the answers to any of your questions..To my Knowledge this is it..https://www.copyright.gov/

Knowing now that the copyright owner is automatically the receiver of royalties, i might take some time to go through the website and see who is actually getting what from Prince's music.

I have done that..you will find it interesting also.Prince was very generous...although I did notice that Andre Cymone allegedly wrote Do me baby,HE does not have a co assignment anywhere.

This perplexed me...Prince added so many people as co writers, yet this one he claimed as his own.

Lovejunky said:

Rev said:

Thank you Beetle and lovejunky for taking the time to look this stuff up.

"IF" Prince had allready assigned copyright where he wanted the money to go to, couldn't that be the reason why SNJ and Lonnie are being obstructive? They realize they are getting far less than they thought and are trying to find a way to circumvent these agreements?

OR

It could be exactly the opposite..

Remember Lonnie is all for Peer to Peer

Like Lonnie would suggest setting up a "peer to peer" website to make money? Sorry, haven't considered that good business model, but I thinking Napster

Numerous filings today by Comerica in response to SNJ barage of filings.

Comerica attached as an Exhibit Sharon's recent tweets.

https://twitter.com/Sharo...on?lang=en

Sharon tweets about MMJ's Estate as a comparison to Prince's Estate.

Ummm, I guess Lawnie forgot to tell SNJ he tried to trick Katherine Jackson too.

Lawnie. Stop the madness. Just go away. You are a hot mess. Taking advantage of the elderly. Taking Sharon to the Minnesota Timberwolves game courtside. SMFH Lawnie.

Oh wow there is a lot. Saving it for the weekend.

This is great news!

purplemist7777 said:

Order on motion regarding NDA and Confidentiality with McMillan and Northstar posted this afternoon on court website. Order is to cease efforts re negotiating NDA with them and order parties not to disclose confidential estate info to them. Not sure when this goes into effect but hearing is on 4/18

Judge Eide's Order today states:

-On May 10, 2017 Lawnie stated in open court he would promptly sign the Non-Disclosure Agreement

-Eleven months later Lawnie has not signed the NDA and a similar NDA had been signed by Lawnie when he served as an Advisor to the Estate, and has been signed by many others involved in the Estate.

-In an effort to resolve this dispute the Estate has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. The Estate had also enlisted the services of a retired Judge as a mediator to help resolve the NDA dispute but they are at an impasse.

-In an effort to preserve the assets of the Estate, Judge Eide ruled that Comerica cease efforts to negotiate a NDA with Lawnie.

FFS.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Judge Eide's Order today states:

-On May 10, 2017 Lawnie stated in open court he would promptly sign the Non-Disclosure Agreement

-Eleven months later Lawnie has not signed the NDA and a similar NDA had been signed by Lawnie when he served as an Advisor to the Estate, and has been signed by many others involved in the Estate.

-In an effort to resolve this dispute the Estate has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. The Estate had also enlisted the services of a retired Judge as a mediator to help resolve the NDA dispute but they are at an impasse.

-In an effort to preserve the assets of the Estate, Judge Eide ruled that Comerica cease efforts to negotiate a NDA with Lawnie.

FFS.

Why do U people keep calling him Lawnie?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Judge Eide's Order today states:

-On May 10, 2017 Lawnie stated in open court he would promptly sign the Non-Disclosure Agreement

-Eleven months later Lawnie has not signed the NDA and a similar NDA had been signed by Lawnie when he served as an Advisor to the Estate, and has been signed by many others involved in the Estate.

-In an effort to resolve this dispute the Estate has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. The Estate had also enlisted the services of a retired Judge as a mediator to help resolve the NDA dispute but they are at an impasse.

-In an effort to preserve the assets of the Estate, Judge Eide ruled that Comerica cease efforts to negotiate a NDA with Lawnie.

FFS.

does this mean LESS opportunity for lawyers to suck the life out of the estate?

luvsexy4all said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Judge Eide's Order today states:

-On May 10, 2017 Lawnie stated in open court he would promptly sign the Non-Disclosure Agreement

-Eleven months later Lawnie has not signed the NDA and a similar NDA had been signed by Lawnie when he served as an Advisor to the Estate, and has been signed by many others involved in the Estate.

-In an effort to resolve this dispute the Estate has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. The Estate had also enlisted the services of a retired Judge as a mediator to help resolve the NDA dispute but they are at an impasse.

-In an effort to preserve the assets of the Estate, Judge Eide ruled that Comerica cease efforts to negotiate a NDA with Lawnie.

FFS.

does this mean LESS opportunity for lawyers to suck the life out of the estate?

It means less opportunity for you to suck the life out of this thread.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Why do U people keep calling him Lawnie?

A poster here awhile back called him that and it stuck. No doubt it was an autocorrect phone thing, but regardless....I like the way it looks and sounds when speaking of that one

BartVanHemelen said:

Mumio said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Why do U people keep calling him Lawnie?

A poster here awhile back called him that and it stuck. No doubt it was an autocorrect phone thing, but regardless....I like the way it looks and sounds when speaking of that one

I just can't believe what's going on!

With Prince's Estate in Limbo, Lawyers Cash In While Heirs Left Waiting