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Reply #90 posted 02/27/18 4:48am

disch

I have no doubt about the history of racial exploitation in land ownership. I don’t see this as an example of that. (I do not want to discuss my mother with you. Let’s just say it makes no sense for a 70+ year old woman to embark into real estate development if she does not want to. I fully advocate for her to sell this property, as business people do every day. I will not argue this with you, an internet stranger.)
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There is also a terrible history of racial exploitation in musical assets. Considering that’s where the value is in his estate (these land parcels are chump change) I think that’s where the efforts should fall. His musical assets, and his identity, are princes legacy and value.
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Agree to disagree. Not interested in arguing over something silly just for the sake of arguing.
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Laurarichardson said:

It is a greed and stupidity stituation. Once again there is plenty of data to back up the racial explotation aspect of the lost of land and home onwership by African-Americans. People are only exploited when they allow their greed to let it happen. As far as your mom is concerned plenty of people could help her develop the property it is not that complicated. I am sure she will be provided all off the information she needs to make an informed decision and I am not so sure SNJ is receiving the information that is best. After all look who they have retained for their business advisor a person who needlessly caused 3 separate lawsuits so he could get a commission for himself. Stop ignoring the facts of past behavior and do not be so silly to think this past behavior is not going to continue with the music as well.



disch said:


I don’t see this as a racial exploitation situation, sorry. Princes heirs probably have little interest in embarking on new careers as real estate developers, with risk involved and potential payoffs years away, and they have bills to pay now. - In my family, we have the same situation. My mother inherited an essentially undeveloped piece of land. Although it could be developed (and will be by someone else) she plans to sell as soon as she can. She’s in her 70s and does not have the knowledge or interest delving into real estate development, and wants access to the value now, not 10+ years from now (she’s white if that’s relevant for some reason). - This is actually a silly argument. The value in princes estate is in his musical assets, not in these land parcels. That’s what they should focus their efforts in developing. - laurarichardson said:


It is the truth. It has happened all over this country over and over again. Remember it was Sharon who wanted to sell the house John lived in and sell his instruments on E-bay.



SNJ even wanted to throw Tkya and Omarr out of their homes and sell those as well. My guess is they are old people who do not understand Real Estate or investment.



I will bet that has soon as they get in control of the estate they will start selling off everything they can. Althought the WB deal and the assignment of royalties on the last four will make it difficult.








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Reply #91 posted 02/27/18 4:50am

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Agreed since you have not really read what I had to say. They are going to try and do the same stupic stuff with the music.

disch said:

I have no doubt about the history of racial exploitation in land ownership. I don’t see this as an example of that. - There is also a terrible history of racial exploitation in musical assets. Considering that’s where the value is in his estate (these land parcels are chump change) I think that’s where the efforts should fall. His musical assets, and his identity, are princes legacy and value. - Agree to disagree. Not interested in arguing over something silly just for the sake of arguing. - Laurarichardson said:

It is a greed and stupidity stituation. Once again there is plenty of data to back up the racial explotation aspect of the lost of land and home onwership by African-Americans. People are only exploited when they allow their greed to let it happen. As far as your mom is concerned plenty of people could help her develop the property it is not that complicated. I am sure she will be provided all off the information she needs to make an informed decision and I am not so sure SNJ is receiving the information that is best. After all look who they have retained for their business advisor a person who needlessly caused 3 separate lawsuits so he could get a commission for himself. Stop ignoring the facts of past behavior and do not be so silly to think this past behavior is not going to continue with the music as well.

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Reply #92 posted 02/27/18 6:50am

1Sasha

I don't think the elder siblings have any emotional attachment to Prince and/or his possessions, including real estate. They do, however, have an emotional attachment to anything of his that could put money in their hands. The exploitation seems to be at the hands of their own advisors. SNJ have had no experience dealing in large sums of money, therefore - like many lottery winners - they do not know what to do first to make sure everything works out properly. IMO the smartest thing for the estate would be to divest itself of everything except for the work product.

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Reply #93 posted 02/27/18 7:29am

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laurarichardson said:

Agreed since you have not really read what I had to say. They are going to try and do the same stupic stuff with the music.



disch said:


I have no doubt about the history of racial exploitation in land ownership. I don’t see this as an example of that. - There is also a terrible history of racial exploitation in musical assets. Considering that’s where the value is in his estate (these land parcels are chump change) I think that’s where the efforts should fall. His musical assets, and his identity, are princes legacy and value. - Agree to disagree. Not interested in arguing over something silly just for the sake of arguing. - Laurarichardson said:

It is a greed and stupidity stituation. Once again there is plenty of data to back up the racial explotation aspect of the lost of land and home onwership by African-Americans. People are only exploited when they allow their greed to let it happen. As far as your mom is concerned plenty of people could help her develop the property it is not that complicated. I am sure she will be provided all off the information she needs to make an informed decision and I am not so sure SNJ is receiving the information that is best. After all look who they have retained for their business advisor a person who needlessly caused 3 separate lawsuits so he could get a commission for himself. Stop ignoring the facts of past behavior and do not be so silly to think this past behavior is not going to continue with the music as well.






Really? What stupid stuff are they going to do with his music? Please enlighten us.
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Reply #94 posted 02/27/18 7:40am

disch

Prince could have mitigated these issues by having a proper, legally enforceable estate plan. I know that there’s a school of thought here that such plans are useless and he was playing 4d chess by not having one, but seriously, much of the concern about fraud, bad advice, squandering, etc. would have been lessened. Not eliminated, but lessened.
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Rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Agreed since you have not really read what I had to say. They are going to try and do the same stupic stuff with the music.



disch said:


I have no doubt about the history of racial exploitation in land ownership. I don’t see this as an example of that. - There is also a terrible history of racial exploitation in musical assets. Considering that’s where the value is in his estate (these land parcels are chump change) I think that’s where the efforts should fall. His musical assets, and his identity, are princes legacy and value. - Agree to disagree. Not interested in arguing over something silly just for the sake of arguing. - Laurarichardson said:

It is a greed and stupidity stituation. Once again there is plenty of data to back up the racial explotation aspect of the lost of land and home onwership by African-Americans. People are only exploited when they allow their greed to let it happen. As far as your mom is concerned plenty of people could help her develop the property it is not that complicated. I am sure she will be provided all off the information she needs to make an informed decision and I am not so sure SNJ is receiving the information that is best. After all look who they have retained for their business advisor a person who needlessly caused 3 separate lawsuits so he could get a commission for himself. Stop ignoring the facts of past behavior and do not be so silly to think this past behavior is not going to continue with the music as well.






Really? What stupid stuff are they going to do with his music? Please enlighten us.
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Reply #95 posted 02/27/18 7:41am

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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Agreed since you have not really read what I had to say. They are going to try and do the same stupic stuff with the music.

Really? What stupid stuff are they going to do with his music? Please enlighten us.

Try to sell it outright or at least their shares. This is the lottery to them I do not think they have intrest in running it as a business. Somebody will run it as a business it just will not be these 3.

You can also enlighten yourself if you read the court documents.

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Reply #96 posted 02/27/18 7:48am

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Read about the JB and Ray Charles estates both have wills and trust. JB had a video will. Both estates are still not settled after a decade. It is called contesting.

If he did not put certain deals in place we would not of even had the PR remaster.

Remember the lawsuits and subsequent debt were generated by LM/SNJ. They are making it complicated.

disch said:

Prince could have mitigated these issues by having a proper, legally enforceable estate plan. I know that there’s a school of thought here that such plans are useless and he was playing 4d chess by not having one, but seriously, much of the concern about fraud, bad advice, squandering, etc. would have been lessened. Not eliminated, but lessened. - Rogifan said:
Really? What stupid stuff are they going to do with his music? Please enlighten us.

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Reply #97 posted 02/27/18 7:54am

disch

Sigh. I have (probably around the first you posted that same comment many moons ago). I know you feel wills are useless and Prince was outsmarting the system by not having one. You’ve said that many times — almost the same number of times you’ve fretted about the stupidity of his heirs and their lawyers who are left to their own devices with his life’s work and legacy. Not interested in arguing this one with tut either.
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laurarichardson said:

Read about the JB and Ray Charles estates both have wills and trust. JB had a video will. Both estates are still not settled after a decade. It is called contesting.



If he did not put certain deals in place we would not of even had the PR remaster.



Remember the lawsuits and subsequent debt were generated by LM/SNJ. They are making it complicated.



disch said:


Prince could have mitigated these issues by having a proper, legally enforceable estate plan. I know that there’s a school of thought here that such plans are useless and he was playing 4d chess by not having one, but seriously, much of the concern about fraud, bad advice, squandering, etc. would have been lessened. Not eliminated, but lessened. - Rogifan said:
Really? What stupid stuff are they going to do with his music? Please enlighten us.



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Reply #98 posted 02/27/18 8:00am

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Wills are great if your children or sibs are not idiots. Prince knew what he was dealing with when he dad died. I think he did the best he could with the time he had.

disch said:

Sigh. I have (probably around the first you posted that same comment many moons ago). I know you feel wills are useless and Prince was outsmarting the system by not having one. You’ve said that many times — almost the same number of times you’ve fretted about the stupidity of his heirs who are left to their own devices with his life’s work and legacy. Not interested in arguing this one with tut either. - laurarichardson said:

Read about the JB and Ray Charles estates both have wills and trust. JB had a video will. Both estates are still not settled after a decade. It is called contesting.

If he did not put certain deals in place we would not of even had the PR remaster.

Remember the lawsuits and subsequent debt were generated by LM/SNJ. They are making it complicated.

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Reply #99 posted 02/27/18 8:08am

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I will once again state Comerica is not in the business of developing real estate on an Estate in Probate Court.

It is the fiduciary duty of the Probate Estate to liquidate assets. The first items to be liquidated is always real estate.

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Reply #100 posted 02/27/18 8:19am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I will once again state Comerica is not in the business of developing real estate on an Estate in Probate Court.

It is the fiduciary duty of the Probate Estate to liquidate assets. The first items to be liquidated is always real estate.

I never said it was there duty. The sibs are the ones pushing for it. SNJ wants the properties that Comerica is not selling but renting to Omarr and Tyka sold as well.

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Reply #101 posted 02/27/18 8:39am

1Sasha

You know what? Sell the properties currently being rented to family members. If they can swing a purchase, good. If not, sorry - you lose. There should be no sentimentality when it comes to settlement of the estate.

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Reply #102 posted 02/27/18 8:48am

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1Sasha said:

You know what? Sell the properties currently being rented to family members. If they can swing a purchase, good. If not, sorry - you lose. There should be no sentimentality when it comes to settlement of the estate.

Well it was decided by someone not to and they are hanging on to Paisley Park as well

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Reply #103 posted 02/27/18 8:51am

nelcp777

Wether we like it or not, the determined Heirs have a legal right to Prince's estate. It may not be what Prince wanted, but we will never know due to not having access to his emails or wishes.

Comerica has a right to liquidate assets, make deals, etc to meet liabilities which include taxes on the Estate.

Labeling the determined heirs greedy at this point is, in my opinion, unfair. It is their right to do with the assets as they seem pleased.If Prince's music is in commercials or movies, that it their decision. For all we know, they may be honoring his wishes.

With that said, land that Prince never used is not harming his legacy. It seems that the things that meant the most, the music, PP, the PR house, videos are being held on to by the heirs.

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Reply #104 posted 02/27/18 8:57am

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laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I will once again state Comerica is not in the business of developing real estate on an Estate in Probate Court.

It is the fiduciary duty of the Probate Estate to liquidate assets. The first items to be liquidated is always real estate.

I never said it was there duty. The sibs are the ones pushing for it. SNJ wants the properties that Comerica is not selling but renting to Omarr and Tyka sold as well.

I dont think SNJ said they wanted the real estate sold that Tyka and Omarr were living in but said they wanted them to pay rent. Then SNJ said they wanted to rent an Estate home but by then all the remaining houses had been sold and none were left to rent to SNJ.

Tyka and Omarr will eventually have the right to purchase the homes they are living in and then it will be offset from their distribution.

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Reply #105 posted 02/27/18 9:34am

disch

He was alive for 57 years. That’s not enough time to get a legally sound will in place?

laurarichardson said:

Wills are great if your children or sibs are not idiots. Prince knew what he was dealing with when he dad died. I think he did the best he could with the time he had.



disch said:


Sigh. I have (probably around the first you posted that same comment many moons ago). I know you feel wills are useless and Prince was outsmarting the system by not having one. You’ve said that many times — almost the same number of times you’ve fretted about the stupidity of his heirs who are left to their own devices with his life’s work and legacy. Not interested in arguing this one with tut either. - laurarichardson said:

Read about the JB and Ray Charles estates both have wills and trust. JB had a video will. Both estates are still not settled after a decade. It is called contesting.



If he did not put certain deals in place we would not of even had the PR remaster.



Remember the lawsuits and subsequent debt were generated by LM/SNJ. They are making it complicated.





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Reply #106 posted 02/27/18 10:31am

nelcp777

There is a DNA request (Writ of Mamandus) for paternity testing of Ogeda Patrick filed in the court documents February 23rd.

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Reply #107 posted 02/27/18 10:39am

nelcp777

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Part 13 here we go:

A continuation of the most recent billing filed by the Comerica attorneys for October 2017.

Troy filed an affidavit today. It was totally redacted. Most likely the business transaction that SNJ objects to and for which Troy has recently spoke to the press about.

The attorneys have spent a great deal of time on "S&S matter"but I have no idea what the initials mean.

Gresham and Leverette filed an appeal with the Minnesota Supreme Court. I think the girls did too.

The attorneys know about the bootleg Sign O the Times video.

They also worked on the NPG license and agreement.

They are also working on the 2016 Prince Act with Minnesota legislatures.

They worked on trademarks for Prince around the globe in every single country this includes all names associated with him including Purple Rain, Paisley Park, NPG, 3EG, Vanity 6, etc.

They are working on lots of infringement of goods like Tshirts, mugs, etc

They are working on infringement with the P impersonator. You know who I mean, right?

Cease and desist to the UK Prince Revelation Tribute Show also people ripping off by using the name "Purple Reign."

Litigation with Thuy Nam Ly. Was this the guy on all the Facebook pages making P jewelry?

For those of you saying these attorneys don’t want to settle anything until they drain the Estate dry I guess you want them to settle with The Girls, Boxhill, Cousins, Gresham, Leverette, Tidal, Jobu, Dixon and the Italian litigation about The Most Beautiful Girl in the World ..just to name a few. <---all these cases are currently being litigated.

I am only on page 148 out of 691. The above was billing for October 2017, and I only hit some of the items the attorneys are working on.

I tried a google search for S&S and Prince, the only thing I could find was back in the day, S&S bought the rights to the Sacrifice of Victor book (not sure that is it) and there was a company S&S that made a cocktail recipe, Lighter Shades of Purple. Could be wrong on that one too.

Edited, nevermind, S&S Design is who they are referncing. They had a claim against the estate back in August of 2017 (or around then).

[Edited 2/27/18 10:46am]

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Reply #108 posted 02/27/18 10:44am

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PennyPurple said:

Little Red Velvette by Cat Food Bakery has plenty of references to Prince’s music, sprinkled in the cutest baked goods-themed puns. From Purple Rain ombre cakes and Raspberry Beret tarts to Darling Stikki toffee puddings, fans can learn to make the most beautiful swirl in the world.

The book is currently available for pre-order, but can be purchased everywhere on April 21, the second anniversary of the icon’s death. Check out the cover art as well as some of the recipes below.

https://www.billboard.com...pring-2018

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That's cute! lol

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Reply #109 posted 02/27/18 10:45am

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206Michelle said:

XxAxX said:
I'd rather turn it into a Prince Rogers Nelson wildlife preserve. Let the birds and ducks and other current residents remain there
Plant trees in the shape of prince.

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Or, maybe a nice, big Symbol maze! lol

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Reply #110 posted 02/27/18 10:47am

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nelcp777 said:

I tried a google search for S&S and Prince, the only thing I could find was back in the day, S&S bought the rights to the Sacrifice of Victor book (not sure that is it) and there was a company S&S that made a cocktail recipe, Lighter Shades of Purple. Could be wrong on that one too.

Edited, nevermind, S&S Design is who they are referncing. They had a claim against the estate back in August of 2017 (or around then).



Thanks for figuring that one out!

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Reply #111 posted 02/27/18 10:51am

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According to his two ex-wives he had wills when he was married to them. You need to keep up

disch said:

He was alive for 57 years. That’s not enough time to get a legally sound will in place? laurarichardson said:

Wills are great if your children or sibs are not idiots. Prince knew what he was dealing with when he dad died. I think he did the best he could with the time he had.

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Reply #112 posted 02/27/18 10:53am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

nelcp777 said:

I tried a google search for S&S and Prince, the only thing I could find was back in the day, S&S bought the rights to the Sacrifice of Victor book (not sure that is it) and there was a company S&S that made a cocktail recipe, Lighter Shades of Purple. Could be wrong on that one too.

Edited, nevermind, S&S Design is who they are referncing. They had a claim against the estate back in August of 2017 (or around then).



Thanks for figuring that one out!

I believe they did some work on one of his tours and there was some sort of dispute over the invoice

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Reply #113 posted 02/27/18 11:38am

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Is this some kind of joke? Who created this rendering? THEY and IT must go! Just..... no. No, no, no! no no no!

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Reply #114 posted 02/27/18 11:39am

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I know, I'm wondering if it has the Estate's approval?

NotACleverName said:

         Is this some kind of joke? Who created this rendering? THEY and IT must go! Just..... no. No, no, no! no no no!

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Reply #115 posted 02/27/18 11:44am

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laurarichardson said:



ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


I will once again state Comerica is not in the business of developing real estate on an Estate in Probate Court.


It is the fiduciary duty of the Probate Estate to liquidate assets. The first items to be liquidated is always real estate.




I never said it was there duty. The sibs are the ones pushing for it. SNJ wants the properties that Comerica is not selling but renting to Omarr and Tyka sold as well.

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Link to source please?
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Reply #116 posted 02/27/18 11:47am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I will once again state Comerica is not in the business of developing real estate on an Estate in Probate Court.


It is the fiduciary duty of the Probate Estate to liquidate assets. The first items to be liquidated is always real estate.



Is there something in the court documents that suggest or confirm the heirs were the ones pushing to sell the 5 parcels of land on Galpin? I saw a letter from a real estate advisor for Comerica saying there were no viable development options and it wasn’t in the financial interests of the estate to hold on to the land. My assumption is Comerica is just doing its job.
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Reply #117 posted 02/27/18 12:29pm

nelcp777

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

nelcp777 said:

I tried a google search for S&S and Prince, the only thing I could find was back in the day, S&S bought the rights to the Sacrifice of Victor book (not sure that is it) and there was a company S&S that made a cocktail recipe, Lighter Shades of Purple. Could be wrong on that one too.

Edited, nevermind, S&S Design is who they are referncing. They had a claim against the estate back in August of 2017 (or around then).



Thanks for figuring that one out!

My pleasure.

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Reply #118 posted 02/27/18 12:30pm

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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

I never said it was there duty. The sibs are the ones pushing for it. SNJ wants the properties that Comerica is not selling but renting to Omarr and Tyka sold as well.

[Edited 2/27/18 8:21am]

Link to source please?

It was in the court docs when they were complaining about Comerica and wanted to have them removed.

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Reply #119 posted 02/27/18 12:43pm

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rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I will once again state Comerica is not in the business of developing real estate on an Estate in Probate Court.

It is the fiduciary duty of the Probate Estate to liquidate assets. The first items to be liquidated is always real estate.

Is there something in the court documents that suggest or confirm the heirs were the ones pushing to sell the 5 parcels of land on Galpin? I saw a letter from a real estate advisor for Comerica saying there were no viable development options and it wasn’t in the financial interests of the estate to hold on to the land. My assumption is Comerica is just doing its job.

The property that is mentioned in this article below is zoned for development The reason to say the property is not suitable for development would be due to extreme stiuations such as contamination or historical preservation.

I would be doubtful about anyone saying no viable options exsist for any property.

http://www.swnewsmedia.com/chanhassen_villager/news/local/what-s-going-to-happen-in-mr-rogers-nelson-s/article_5154799f-fb45-574d-aa78-0b5dcfc5b4a6.html

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