bibrose said:

Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!

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Yes.....and this is what we've all been discussing since April 21st, 2016.

GrayDorian said:

Kobe said:

The only person is to blame for Prince's death... Is Prince himself. Cold hearted truth.

Hmmm, I don’t really follow how you manage to draw such an unequivocal conclusion, based on the limited information in the public domain.

At best I could perhaps draw a very tentative hypothesis about Prince’s passing, which would currently be something along the lines of a serious, incurable illness of an indeterminate nature, possibly a few years of covert medical care (as Prince valued his privacy dearly, and it’s none of my sodding business anyway, quite frankly), culminating in an accidental OD, apparently due to non-prescribed, mislabelled (has this been firmly established?) tablet of a lethal nature.


If there is indeed any truth to any of that, I do not understand why Prince was having to resort to taking unofficial meds to alleviate his suffering. And there would also be the question as to where such meds came from, which presumably the police investigation has been addressing.

So from my perspective, absolutely not one single iota of that supposition would be Prince’s fault.


I suppose, if someone were of an unsympathetic inclination to show him no grace, they could perhaps argue he could have been a bit more careful with what he was taking, but do any of us really know for sure what is in a painkiller or vitamin supplement every time we pop one?

I still view the supposed long-term addiction to pain-killers with huge skepticism, though I realize that many here do not share such doubts.


I’m not sure why the media have persistently pushed that at us, but to me they never seemed to have any love for Prince (especially the horrible, heartless right-wing tabloids) so I’m not inclined to believe their shady narrative. I couldn’t even speculate as to what their agenda might be, but they had it in for Michael Jackson too big time, and are not reliable, reputable sources in my eyes.

I certainly wouldn’t dispute testimonies by colleagues that he had joint/hip pain, but the long-term painkiller addiction just does not ring true with me at all.


I may be in denial about it admittedly, as I know I’m a bit of a fantasist, but I just don’t believe it. Whenever this topic gets discussed on the forums, I think it’s too funky in here…and I ain’t talking about my cheesy feet.


Speaking of my lower anatomy, I’ve got plenty of problems with my worn out knees, and I’m not remotely addicted, and Prince was one heckuva tough cookie, no doubt very many times tougher mentally than a big girls’ blouse like me. It just doesn't really add up to me.


Kirk even seemed to laugh at the mention of this supposed long term addiction in an interview (albeit perhaps nervously due to being on TV). I can remember thinking at the time I watched it, yup, that pretty much confirms what I believed ie. that the bizarre media painkiller addicted narrative is probably just a big ole red herring.


I would expect no doubt that in the latter stages of a terminal illness, reliability on meds would be inevitable in order to continue to have any quality of life.


Such meds would have enabled Prince to continue to give it his all, entertaining us fans right to the last, performing to such amazingly high standards in Atlanta so shortly before his passing.


I’ve got to hand it to him and give him massive respect and love for that. Our man was a class act right to the end of his time somewhere here on earth.

Ok, let’s suppose that my perhaps fanciful speculation here is completely specious (it may very well be after all) and what actually transpired was that Prince really did have a long term pain killer addiction, which somehow spiralled out of control into an accidental OD, as the per the media portrayal.


Does this really seem like Prince to you, and to those of us who have followed him for all these years? It sure seems like a ‘whole lot of BS’ to me, as the song goes.

And in any case, even if that were the case, there still wouldn’t be any blame on Prince’s part, because he would have been suffering from an addiction, which to me is basically just another kind of illness, and as such would be deserving our sympathy, love and understanding.


If only some folks would take a far more sympathetic and loving attitude towards those who are similarly addicted to ‘recreational’ drugs and alcoholics too for that matter. After all, we all have our frailties, and there but for the grace of God go I. I think it would be great, if schools and media were to address changing attitudes towards and misconceptions about those unfortunate to suffer from such addictions.

I kinda feel like nowadays we seem to be living in the age of the aggressive blame culture. I don’t remember things quite being so polarized in my youth either. I’m suspicious of the right wing media, but hey, I’m a total leftie, so I probably would say that. I’m probably completely paranoid about them, and I wouldn’t even know it.


Even if there does turn out to be a negligent doctor at fault, or some online shady counterfeit meds pusher responsible for Prince's passing, I’m not sure what solace or peace that would bring. At best it would hold such a ‘culprit’ accountable, I suppose, but it won’t bring Prince back to us sadly.


I don’t know where ‘closure’ comes from with regards to bereavement, if indeed it even exists; Prince left us almost 2 years ago and my Dad’s been gone a good few years now, and I’ve concluded that I just have to get my head down and get on with life as best I can, and learn to live with the loss and pain.

You’re never not going to sorely miss departed, dearly beloved ones, so presumably genuine final closure only really comes with one’s own eventual passing? Or perhaps I am misunderstanding the term/word.

I’m just thinking out loud again and I’m sorry to ramble on, but your comment apportioning blame solely to Prince seems more like cold-hearted opinion to me than ‘cold hearted truth’.


We’re an online community of Prince’s diehard fans after all, so I’d be hoping for lots of love and empathy for Prince here, not supposed ‘cold hearted truth’.


I suppose there is always the possibility that that’s me in denial again, fantasizing away and looking to avoid the cold hard facts. I accept that what I might perceive to be someone’s cynicism may in fact in reality be accurate realism.


Anyway, I don’t really feel like we are privy to a lot of what has transpired at this point in time (is anyone?), though admittedly that hasn’t stopped me speculating (albeit very possibly completely erroneously), so for now it seems to me totally unfair for anyone to be laying any degree of ‘blame’ for Prince’s passing at his door. I shoulda just typed 'disagree', doh!

[Edited 2/17/18 9:13am]

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Your post was very heartfelt.

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I am sorry for your loss. Both my parents are gone and not a day goes by that I don't miss them. Like you said, you never stop the grieving process; you just get on with your life, somehow.

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Peace.

No problem - GaryDorian. You are a kind-hearted person.

GrayDorian said:

bibrose said:

Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!

Ok, fair enough. I completely agree with that statement.

Moreover, I’ve got to hold my hands up here and apologize, as I have recently been pretty critical of the elder siblings for reportedly trying to turf Tyka and Omarr out of their homes, and allegedly looking to bar them from Prince’s funeral (both of which, if indeed true, I still confess to finding frankly astonishing and pretty alarming too, particularly with respect to them potentially gaining a 50% say in what happens with Prince’s precious music, may God forbid).

I think sometimes it’s hard not to get caught up in the at times prevalent negativity, but I have absolutely no excuse, and I’ve no right to be so judgemental, as I do not really know for sure what motivates their hearts (though I have to admit I’m not really feeling too optimistic about the 3 elder siblings for now).

Admittedly, that was sheer hypocrisy on my part alas, especially as in the past I have been very niggled by and somewhat critical of what I would perceive to be some thoroughly unpleasant, unwarranted and unnecessary sniping on these forums at not only our beloved Prince, but also especially the majority of his loved ones (just about everyone seems to be fair game, it would appear). Then I find myself making that mistake with regards to Sharon, Norrine and John.

Sorry! You would think at my age in life I would know better by now, but alas you can’t buy wisdom, sigh! (If you don’t believe me, just take a look at some of Donald Trump’s tactless, at times almost infantile tweets).

Thanks - GrayDorian! Very well said!

GrayDorian said:

Kobe said:

The only person is to blame for Prince's death... Is Prince himself. Cold hearted truth.

Hmmm, I don’t really follow how you manage to draw such an unequivocal conclusion, based on the limited information in the public domain.

At best I could perhaps draw a very tentative hypothesis about Prince’s passing, which would currently be something along the lines of a serious, incurable illness of an indeterminate nature, possibly a few years of covert medical care (as Prince valued his privacy dearly, and it’s none of my sodding business anyway, quite frankly), culminating in an accidental OD, apparently due to non-prescribed, mislabelled (has this been firmly established?) tablet of a lethal nature.


If there is indeed any truth to any of that, I do not understand why Prince was having to resort to taking unofficial meds to alleviate his suffering. And there would also be the question as to where such meds came from, which presumably the police investigation has been addressing.

So from my perspective, absolutely not one single iota of that supposition would be Prince’s fault.


I suppose, if someone were of an unsympathetic inclination to show him no grace, they could perhaps argue he could have been a bit more careful with what he was taking, but do any of us really know for sure what is in a painkiller or vitamin supplement every time we pop one?

I still view the supposed long-term addiction to pain-killers with huge skepticism, though I realize that many here do not share such doubts.


I’m not sure why the media have persistently pushed that at us, but to me they never seemed to have any love for Prince (especially the horrible, heartless right-wing tabloids) so I’m not inclined to believe their shady narrative. I couldn’t even speculate as to what their agenda might be, but they had it in for Michael Jackson too big time, and are not reliable, reputable sources in my eyes.

I certainly wouldn’t dispute testimonies by colleagues that he had joint/hip pain, but the long-term painkiller addiction just does not ring true with me at all.


I may be in denial about it admittedly, as I know I’m a bit of a fantasist, but I just don’t believe it. Whenever this topic gets discussed on the forums, I think it’s too funky in here…and I ain’t talking about my cheesy feet.


Speaking of my lower anatomy, I’ve got plenty of problems with my worn out knees, and I’m not remotely addicted, and Prince was one heckuva tough cookie, no doubt very many times tougher mentally than a big girls’ blouse like me. It just doesn't really add up to me.


Kirk even seemed to laugh at the mention of this supposed long term addiction in an interview (albeit perhaps nervously due to being on TV). I can remember thinking at the time I watched it, yup, that pretty much confirms what I believed ie. that the bizarre media painkiller addicted narrative is probably just a big ole red herring.


I would expect no doubt that in the latter stages of a terminal illness, reliability on meds would be inevitable in order to continue to have any quality of life.


Such meds would have enabled Prince to continue to give it his all, entertaining us fans right to the last, performing to such amazingly high standards in Atlanta so shortly before his passing.


I’ve got to hand it to him and give him massive respect and love for that. Our man was a class act right to the end of his time somewhere here on earth.

Ok, let’s suppose that my perhaps fanciful speculation here is completely specious (it may very well be after all) and what actually transpired was that Prince really did have a long term pain killer addiction, which somehow spiralled out of control into an accidental OD, as the per the media portrayal.


Does this really seem like Prince to you, and to those of us who have followed him for all these years? It sure seems like a ‘whole lot of BS’ to me, as the song goes.

And in any case, even if that were the case, there still wouldn’t be any blame on Prince’s part, because he would have been suffering from an addiction, which to me is basically just another kind of illness, and as such would be deserving our sympathy, love and understanding.


If only some folks would take a far more sympathetic and loving attitude towards those who are similarly addicted to ‘recreational’ drugs and alcoholics too for that matter. After all, we all have our frailties, and there but for the grace of God go I. I think it would be great, if schools and media were to address changing attitudes towards and misconceptions about those unfortunate to suffer from such addictions.

I kinda feel like nowadays we seem to be living in the age of the aggressive blame culture. I don’t remember things quite being so polarized in my youth either. I’m suspicious of the right wing media, but hey, I’m a total leftie, so I probably would say that. I’m probably completely paranoid about them, and I wouldn’t even know it.


Even if there does turn out to be a negligent doctor at fault, or some online shady counterfeit meds pusher responsible for Prince's passing, I’m not sure what solace or peace that would bring. At best it would hold such a ‘culprit’ accountable, I suppose, but it won’t bring Prince back to us sadly.


I don’t know where ‘closure’ comes from with regards to bereavement, if indeed it even exists; Prince left us almost 2 years ago and my Dad’s been gone a good few years now, and I’ve concluded that I just have to get my head down and get on with life as best I can, and learn to live with the loss and pain.

You’re never not going to sorely miss departed, dearly beloved ones, so presumably genuine final closure only really comes with one’s own eventual passing? Or perhaps I am misunderstanding the term/word.

I’m just thinking out loud again and I’m sorry to ramble on, but your comment apportioning blame solely to Prince seems more like cold-hearted opinion to me than ‘cold hearted truth’.


We’re an online community of Prince’s diehard fans after all, so I’d be hoping for lots of love and empathy for Prince here, not supposed ‘cold hearted truth’.


I suppose there is always the possibility that that’s me in denial again, fantasizing away and looking to avoid the cold hard facts. I accept that what I might perceive to be someone’s cynicism may in fact in reality be accurate realism.


Anyway, I don’t really feel like we are privy to a lot of what has transpired at this point in time (is anyone?), though admittedly that hasn’t stopped me speculating (albeit very possibly completely erroneously), so for now it seems to me totally unfair for anyone to be laying any degree of ‘blame’ for Prince’s passing at his door. I shoulda just typed 'disagree', doh!

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Isn't there a middle ground though. Sunshine and roses are annoying but so is the notion that Prince was the devil with lots of talents but who everyone around wanted dead and out of the way.

1Sasha said:

Co-sign here, too. One of the reasons I've pretty much dropped my Facebook Prince groups is that they are all sunshine and butterflies right now. Celebration this - celebration that, Mayte was the love of his life and the only one who truly loved him, Andy Allo was the last love of his life, his family is the best and they loved him dearly - they don't care about the money, etc., etc. I just want the facts. I don't want any mumbo-jumbo. They have six-inch thick blinders on.

I listened to Susannah Melvoin's podcast with Toure this morning. She said she could see Prince didn't look well from images of him, and that if she, Lisa or Wendy had known of any drug issue, they would have been on a plane to Minnesota immediately to get him into re-hab. The podcast is very good - you should listen to it if you can.

1Sasha said:

I listened to Susannah Melvoin's podcast with Toure this morning. She said she could see Prince didn't look well from images of him, and that if she, Lisa or Wendy had known of any drug issue, they would have been on a plane to Minnesota immediately to get him into re-hab. The podcast is very good - you should listen to it if you can.

the question then is what could they have done? I was talking to my best friend about how worried I was about Way Back Home when it came out and I said "I would have...." then i just said "I don't know what I could have done" which is what Morris Hayes told Prince's former manager, shirma or whatever her name was when they spoke about how worried they were "I don't know if there's anything we can do, we're outside of the situation now".

I was watching a docu on Janis Joplin yesterday, never was much of a fan but it was interesting, she got hooked on heroin, kicked it and had her biggest hit in the can at the time of her death. I guess she just wanted one more high and she got something too strong. I thought of Prince, was it like that? Who knows.

Great, But I can't help but ask why his looking unwell couldn't have at least got them on a plane especially after the plane was taken down in Molene.

I would listen to it but I can't stand Toure.

1Sasha said:

I listened to Susannah Melvoin's podcast with Toure this morning. She said she could see Prince didn't look well from images of him, and that if she, Lisa or Wendy had known of any drug issue, they would have been on a plane to Minnesota immediately to get him into re-hab. The podcast is very good - you should listen to it if you can.

PeteSilas said:

1Sasha said:

I listened to Susannah Melvoin's podcast with Toure this morning. She said she could see Prince didn't look well from images of him, and that if she, Lisa or Wendy had known of any drug issue, they would have been on a plane to Minnesota immediately to get him into re-hab. The podcast is very good - you should listen to it if you can.

the question then is what could they have done? I was talking to my best friend about how worried I was about Way Back Home when it came out and I said "I would have...." then i just said "I don't know what I could have done" which is what Morris Hayes told Prince's former manager, shirma or whatever her name was when they spoke about how worried they were "I don't know if there's anything we can do, we're outside of the situation now".

I see his point but someone in that situation Kirk Johnson is currently touring with MOrris...so that sits weirdly with me.

don't know nothing about kirk, nothing, never heard him speak, don't know if he's a hustler or a true friend and he's not talking. If it was my friend and someone as important to me as prince was, i'd break laws to get him help, yes, that means kidnapping him and locking him up and crossing state lines. Hell, i'm just a fan and i would have done that if i could have.

purplerabbithole said:

PeteSilas said:

the question then is what could they have done? I was talking to my best friend about how worried I was about Way Back Home when it came out and I said "I would have...." then i just said "I don't know what I could have done" which is what Morris Hayes told Prince's former manager, shirma or whatever her name was when they spoke about how worried they were "I don't know if there's anything we can do, we're outside of the situation now".

I see his point but someone in that situation Kirk Johnson is currently touring with MOrris...so that sits weirdly with me.

and you know people talk, you know morris is asking "what the fuck happened man"

purplerabbithole said:

PeteSilas said:

the question then is what could they have done? I was talking to my best friend about how worried I was about Way Back Home when it came out and I said "I would have...." then i just said "I don't know what I could have done" which is what Morris Hayes told Prince's former manager, shirma or whatever her name was when they spoke about how worried they were "I don't know if there's anything we can do, we're outside of the situation now".

I see his point but someone in that situation Kirk Johnson is currently touring with MOrris...so that sits weirdly with me.

purplerabbithole said:

Great, But I can't help but ask why his looking unwell couldn't have at least got them on a plane especially after the plane was taken down in Molene.

I would listen to it but I can't stand Toure.

1Sasha said:

I listened to Susannah Melvoin's podcast with Toure this morning. She said she could see Prince didn't look well from images of him, and that if she, Lisa or Wendy had known of any drug issue, they would have been on a plane to Minnesota immediately to get him into re-hab. The podcast is very good - you should listen to it if you can.

Toure' actually doesn't talk very much in the interview. Susannah(whose a chatterbox just like her sister Wendy ) does the majority of the talking.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Great, But I can't help but ask why his looking unwell couldn't have at least got them on a plane especially after the plane was taken down in Molene.

I would listen to it but I can't stand Toure.

Toure' actually doesn't talk very much in the interview. Susannah(whose a chatterbox just like her sister Wendy ) does the majority of the talking.

ahhh, chatterboxes they need a nice bottle of shutthefuckup! Wendy is bright and insightful though her sis i don't know about.

What else are they going to say??

I noticed he looked thin but I wasn't going to fly my ass to Minnesota for him to keep me out or give me the runaround?

OR

I noticed he looked a little thin but I was too wrapped up in my own world to think much about it?

OR

I thought Prince was probably popping pills again but someone else would take care of him?

They have the advantage of being 1000 miles away -- no one is looking to them for answers or accountability. I am not saying anyone wanted him dead or thought it would end this way, but it is possible they thought he was either indestructable or someone else's problem.

1Sasha said:

I listened to Susannah Melvoin's podcast with Toure this morning. She said she could see Prince didn't look well from images of him, and that if she, Lisa or Wendy had known of any drug issue, they would have been on a plane to Minnesota immediately to get him into re-hab. The podcast is very good - you should listen to it if you can.

[Edited 2/18/18 12:26pm]

just the way people are, my mentor was Bruce Lee's best friend, not long before Bruce died, Bruce's mother in law came by his store and told him how worried she was about Bruce because he was losing a lot of weight and that he would listen to my mentor. Truth is, my mentor, as I learned myself was pretty selfish in his own way and never did visit or go see for himself. Truth is, the older I get, the more I see, we're all alone, the great and the small.

purplerabbithole said:

What else are they going to say??

I noticed he looked thin but I wasn't going to fly my ass to Minnesota for him to keep me out or give me the runaround?

OR

I noticed he looked a little thin but I was too wrapped up in my own world to think much about it?

OR

I thought Prince was probably popping pills again but someone else would take care of him?

They have the advantage of being 1000 miles away -- no one is looking to them for answers or accountability. I am not saying anyone wanted him dead or thought it would end this way, but it is possible they thought he was either indestructable or someone else's problem.

1Sasha said:

I listened to Susannah Melvoin's podcast with Toure this morning. She said she could see Prince didn't look well from images of him, and that if she, Lisa or Wendy had known of any drug issue, they would have been on a plane to Minnesota immediately to get him into re-hab. The podcast is very good - you should listen to it if you can.

[Edited 2/18/18 12:26pm]

PeteSilas said:

just the way people are, my mentor was Bruce Lee's best friend, not long before Bruce died, Bruce's mother in law came by his store and told him how worried she was about Bruce because he was losing a lot of weight and that he would listen to my mentor. Truth is, my mentor, as I learned myself was pretty selfish in his own way and never did visit or go see for himself. Truth is, the older I get, the more I see, we're all alone, the great and the small.

purplerabbithole said:

What else are they going to say??

I noticed he looked thin but I wasn't going to fly my ass to Minnesota for him to keep me out or give me the runaround?

OR

I noticed he looked a little thin but I was too wrapped up in my own world to think much about it?

OR

I thought Prince was probably popping pills again but someone else would take care of him?

They have the advantage of being 1000 miles away -- no one is looking to them for answers or accountability. I am not saying anyone wanted him dead or thought it would end this way, but it is possible they thought he was either indestructable or someone else's problem.

[Edited 2/18/18 12:26pm]

Pete: so wise and insightful...you're the best. Peace.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PeteSilas said:

just the way people are, my mentor was Bruce Lee's best friend, not long before Bruce died, Bruce's mother in law came by his store and told him how worried she was about Bruce because he was losing a lot of weight and that he would listen to my mentor. Truth is, my mentor, as I learned myself was pretty selfish in his own way and never did visit or go see for himself. Truth is, the older I get, the more I see, we're all alone, the great and the small.

Pete: so wise and insightful...you're the best. Peace.

appreciated bodhi.

PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Toure' actually doesn't talk very much in the interview. Susannah(whose a chatterbox just like her sister Wendy ) does the majority of the talking.

ahhh, chatterboxes they need a nice bottle of shutthefuckup! Wendy is bright and insightful though her sis i don't know about.

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That was funny!

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My favorite thing to say these days when people annoy me and/or piss me off......."How about a nice cup of STFU!!"

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

ahhh, chatterboxes they need a nice bottle of shutthefuckup! Wendy is bright and insightful though her sis i don't know about.

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That was funny!

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My favorite thing to say these days when people annoy me and/or piss me off......."How about a nice cup of STFU!!"

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sussanah hasn't been quite as high profile as wendy but they are twins, i assume they'd be somewhat similar. Wendy was always vocal even pushy when she was young or that's how she seemed. She's older and more circumspect today I remember her early interviews, she didn't even know how to hold the mic and she sounded like a valley girl.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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That was funny!

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My favorite thing to say these days when people annoy me and/or piss me off......."How about a nice cup of STFU!!"

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sussanah hasn't been quite as high profile as wendy but they are twins, i assume they'd be somewhat similar. Wendy was always vocal even pushy when she was young or that's how she seemed. She's older and more circumspect today I remember her early interviews, she didn't even know how to hold the mic and she sounded like a valley girl.

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I agree that saying they would be at Prince's side in a heartbeat was probably 20-20 hindsight. In my own life, my mother's best friend showed up at the house once. She had started smoking again, and my mother noticed she had bruises on her arms. My mother questioned her and her friend said it was nothing. Days later my mother's friend and her two children were dead, at the hands of her husband and their father. You just don't know. How far do you push it, if you push at all?

God, that is tragic. BUt I totally see your point. Your mother could not know what to do in that situation especially if her friend was not upfront and if the violence escalated that quickly. That being said, at least she asked. I have a feeling many folks didn't ask Prince or didn't know how to reach him.

1Sasha said:

I agree that saying they would be at Prince's side in a heartbeat was probably 20-20 hindsight. In my own life, my mother's best friend showed up at the house once. She had started smoking again, and my mother noticed she had bruises on her arms. My mother questioned her and her friend said it was nothing. Days later my mother's friend and her two children were dead, at the hands of her husband and their father. You just don't know. How far do you push it, if you push at all?

Agreed.

purplerabbithole said:

God, that is tragic. BUt I totally see your point. Your mother could not know what to do in that situation especially if her friend was not upfront and if the violence escalated that quickly. That being said, at least she asked. I have a feeling many folks didn't ask Prince or didn't know how to reach him.

1Sasha said:

I agree that saying they would be at Prince's side in a heartbeat was probably 20-20 hindsight. In my own life, my mother's best friend showed up at the house once. She had started smoking again, and my mother noticed she had bruises on her arms. My mother questioned her and her friend said it was nothing. Days later my mother's friend and her two children were dead, at the hands of her husband and their father. You just don't know. How far do you push it, if you push at all?

always feels terrible in hindsight if it was at all preventable. I knew a fellow martial artist, younger guy, didn't know him well but he went off the rails, killed his gay lover got sentenced to life, i was haunted by that for a long time because I felt i was in some position to influence him in a better way. I also think that he definitely had the potential to be a lot better. The problem is, most of us are conditioned to be so self-centered that we don't do that much. I been telling myself to write that guy a letter for how many years? and I haven't.

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PeteSilas said:

purplerabbithole said:

God, that is tragic. BUt I totally see your point. Your mother could not know what to do in that situation especially if her friend was not upfront and if the violence escalated that quickly. That being said, at least she asked. I have a feeling many folks didn't ask Prince or didn't know how to reach him.

always feels terrible in hindsight if it was at all preventable. I knew a fellow martial artist, younger guy, didn't know him well but he went off the rails, killed his gay lover got sentenced to life, i was haunted by that for a long time because I felt i was in some position to influence him in a better way. I also think that he definitely had the potential to be a lot better. The problem is, most of us are conditioned to be so self-centered that we don't do that much. I been telling myself to write that guy a letter for how many years? and I haven't.

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I know what you mean. Sometimes I feel like people are lovely and altruistic and just so kind. But then i wake up

Other times I want to feel that way, but then I catch an episode of Take Me Out and I feel deflated all over again.

In other news, my nose not yet fixed. It's still stuck up like some people on here

PeteSilas said:

Valid point, but that doesn't mean you faciliate dangerous drug usage like some folks around Prince must have been doing. I hope that at least those who knew his email and were following him on twitter said I hope you feel better after the first drug overdose. Some didn't even seem to notice anything was wrong or worth worrying about.

sonshine said:

PeteSilas said:

always feels terrible in hindsight if it was at all preventable. I knew a fellow martial artist, younger guy, didn't know him well but he went off the rails, killed his gay lover got sentenced to life, i was haunted by that for a long time because I felt i was in some position to influence him in a better way. I also think that he definitely had the potential to be a lot better. The problem is, most of us are conditioned to be so self-centered that we don't do that much. I been telling myself to write that guy a letter for how many years? and I haven't.

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Having some personal experience with this on a less dramatic scale it's very easy to say (after it's too late) "I would have done anything, i would have been there" but if we are being honest with ourselves something always stops us. When push comes to shove you back off convincing yourself that it's going to be ok, they are going to be ok. It's much easier to tell yourself that and take a huge leap of faith rather than jumping into a hotbed of blame, shame, anger, tears, or who knows what. You realize getting involved is going to involve a huge effort, a lot of time, and in the end it might not even be successful or you end up completely ruining whatever relationship there was. As much as we think we would have done something, most of us aren't willing to upend our own lives in the process. Doing an intervention is deep. You are going to very personal and private places in someone's life and that demands the kind of sacrifice and commitment most people can't make. Do you want to now be the one talking someone off the ledge for the rest of their unstable life? Its very similar when someone tragically and often violently take their own life. Loved ones and aquaintances alike grieve and mourn such a preventable tragedy because they would have been there for the deceased come hell or high water, no questions asked, any day, any time. But honestly if someone in that kind of pain was calling on you when they were struggling eventually you would be acreening your calls and avoiding another night of hand holding, etc. Sorry idk if any of this makes sense. I am one of those people who feels others pain, but even i would quickly weary of being someone's savior.

GrayDorian said: