I don't know that they are still investigating actively. I'm also not sure what "sent to the prosecutor" means, since as ISaidLife said previously, the evidence is always available to prosecutors. Perhaps that was just a euphemism for "we're not really actively looking into anything else right now, even through we're not officially closing the case"?

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ISaid, any insights into this -- what exactly does it tell us about the ongoing investigation that the case is still officially open?

laurarichardson said:

If they sent it to the prosecutor then what are they still investigating?

disch said:

Yeah it's very likely the pills were manufactured in China but have had intermediate steps between China and Prince.

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The problem is much bigger than just Prince. Wherever his drugs originated, thousands of other people's came from the same place. I certainly don't think they'll bust the entire international counterfeit opioid trade just via one person's (Prince's) case. But perhaps if he had a human dealer who supplied him directly, they could find that person.

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I don't know if the investigation is inordinate. I don't know what is typical for how long illegal OD cases are kept open. I don't know that keeping it open means that it's being actively worked on (the last we heard, the police "passed the evidence" to the prosecutor, which sounds like a way of saying they're not actively doing any more investigating, but who knows).

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Well Tyka wants to put it in her book ( which will be her second one) that is better then a press conference and I am sorry if people who had no communication with Prince for years can write books I am not sure why his sister cannot write one.

I understand her having the right to write a book, but come on now, what is stopping the family members from saying something as simple as: "No, our brother was not a drug addict, or " Our brother was terminally ill" , in a public setting? You don't find that strange? What is the logical reason for this tight-lipped, buttoned down secrecy?

Well the younger ones are not speaking to the older ones. It appears to be Mattie kids against John's children. So there will no joint press conference. The older ones cannot be bothered to go to the Comerica meetings.

According to Charles they don't say much to other family members who are also irritated.

Charles rambles but he is right it is all about the money and as if no one cared about Prince as a person. He really appears to have had a shitty family.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The police are going to forever keep this case open so that others will never see what their investigaton unfolded.

[Edited 2/14/18 8:37am]

If that's true that would be bad for the family who is trying to get info for a lawsuit.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

not that bullshit

—-Exactly, but the lack of info and sloopy investigation causes this type of speculation. At the end of the day Andrew had no business possessing those drugs he broke the law and his still free. One of many messed up things going on.

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Not everything that writer said is off-the-wall......He does his research and this is not an exaggeration.......

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On Saturday, April 16, the day after he was released from the hospital, Prince took the stage at a dance party as nothing had happened the day before.[19] A combination ofopioids like the Nazis’ secret D-IX could push you beyond the threshold of human pain, while you can use Suboxone– Buprenorphine to create euphoria (pain relief) while at the same the Naloxone take you down.

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On Wednesday, April 20 around 7 pm, Prince was spotted at Walgreens for the 4th timethat week near Paisley Park picking up prescriptions believed to have been Percocet.[20]On Thursday, April 21, Andrew Kronfeld invaded Paisley Park with Buprenorphine. You should be aware that “Percocet and buprenorphine” can both cause breathing to slow down, combining the two can result in serious injury or death.”[21] Both these links are involved in Prince’s Death, Percocet from Dr. Michael T. Schulenberg,andBuprenorphine from Andrew Kronfeld. Both Schulenberg and Kronfeld were at the crime scene at the time Prince was found DEAD.

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laurarichardson said:

If they knew they sure did not act like it. They did not even take Prince's laptop until days later and it had been moved. We all know overdose's are common and police departments see them everyday.

Why is this case still open? If he died from an overdose just call it an accident and say you do not know where the drugs came from and close it.

disch said:

I'm pretty sure that local authorities knew very, very quickly that this was a likely OD. I think simply their conversations with the witnesses on the scene (as documented on the warrants) would have pointed them in that direction right away.

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ODs are an extremely common thing that law enforcement sees every day; they are not, in and of themselves, complex or rare. I don't think an OD is an overwhelming situation for any law enforcement agency at this point, unfortunately. Not that they can root out all the drug sources and "win the drug war" (obviously, after decades of trying, no law enforcement agency has been able to do that). But I think ODs are actually one of the first things they consider when someone drops dead suddenly and unexpectedly.

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Paisley Park should have been tapped-off and deemed a crime scene on April 21st. Carver County Sheriff failed to do that. Bremer walked in there and drilled-open Prince's VAULT, and probably took whatever they wanted and could have quite possibly removed pertinent evidence such as a WILL or other important documents. The fact that Prince's laptop was not removed immediately -- leaves open the possibility that it could have been tampered with. None of those things are not impossible.

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Think about this for a few moments......imagine it being your loved one and someone walked into their home and took things? How would you feel? Basically what they were doing was criminal and tampering with a crime scene.

disch said:

It's definitely too bad they don't seem to have been able to determine where the illegal drugs came from, and/or if anyone else facilitated his addiction though some illegal action. I don't know why they haven't been able to figure this out -- I don't know if the investigation into this case deviated from how other illegal ODs are typically investigated, for example.

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laurarichardson said:

I apologize if you were offended. I simply cannot see how anyone who is being realistic cannot see how messed up this case is.

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.....They just might know where the illegal Fentanyl came from, and aren't saying anything....just yet.

Menes said:

Mumio said:

Completely agree with all of this

And what is the excuse for the family waiting so long to express themselves about what they think happened? Are they waiting for Mulefunk's final report ?


On a side note, quite a nice chunck of "entertatinment fees" for entertatainment lawyers. Someone , somewhere, is racking it up. Names are all blacked out. So if the famiy isn't "working" , how are they surviving?

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I don't think the family can talk because of the ongoing investigation -- this is why we are only getting tidbits and half-truths. Just my 2-cents.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

I understand her having the right to write a book, but come on now, what is stopping the family members from saying something as simple as: "No, our brother was not a drug addict, or " Our brother was terminally ill" , in a public setting? You don't find that strange? What is the logical reason for this tight-lipped, buttoned down secrecy?

Well the younger ones are not speaking to the older ones. It appears to be Mattie kids against John's children. So there will no joint press conference. The older ones cannot be bothered to go to the Comerica meetings.

According to Charles they don't say much to other family members who are also irritated.

Charles rambles but he is right it is all about the money and as if no one cared about Prince as a person. He really appears to have had a shitty family.

I can tell they are are at odds just by getting a snaphot of the financial disputes from their respective lawyers. All things being equal, I truly feel that everyone closely associated with Prince in the past, is having their "get back at Prince " moment in one form or another. As much as they praised him, is as much as they secretly feared and loathe him.It's very subtle but you can feel the current.

We had one member in here who thought that coming in here to tell us about how much puss she was slinging at Paisley was a "special" thing. As I was reading her posts, it struck me as to how she interpreted this time with Prince as being the most "magical" of events at PP, when in reality, she was self-absorbed with the thought that she was the only one privy to purple penis . She knew she couldn't say that when he was alive . Is she any different from any other associate that reveal things only when it is convenient?

Musicians, wives, girls, photographers, labels, lawyers, friends, siblings, all have been waiting decades to paint a picture unaffected by Prince's input. There are at least two that come to mind that are so sublte with it that you would almost interpret it as unadulterated love.

Many people even other doctors have questioned what Dr. K was thinking. Prince had not been in a hospital being monitored that night before so how would Andrew have known what to he could give him.

I still say if those drugs Andrew brought along with the Rx Dr S wrote were combined with whatever Prince was taking the night before they might have killed him anyway.

I am not saying that was anyone's plan but at least 2 doctors and a medical student seemed to be aware of the risk of what they were trying to do and were ready to do it.

I am sorry that shit is shady and strange.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said: —-Exactly, but the lack of info and sloopy investigation causes this type of speculation. At the end of the day Andrew had no business possessing those drugs he broke the law and his still free. One of many messed up things going on.

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Not everything that writer said is off-the-wall......He does his research and this is not an exaggeration.......

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On Saturday, April 16, the day after he was released from the hospital, Prince took the stage at a dance party as nothing had happened the day before.[19] A combination ofopioids like the Nazis’ secret D-IX could push you beyond the threshold of human pain, while you can use Suboxone– Buprenorphine to create euphoria (pain relief) while at the same the Naloxone take you down.

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On Wednesday, April 20 around 7 pm, Prince was spotted at Walgreens for the 4th timethat week near Paisley Park picking up prescriptions believed to have been Percocet.[20]On Thursday, April 21, Andrew Kronfeld invaded Paisley Park with Buprenorphine. You should be aware that “Percocet and buprenorphine” can both cause breathing to slow down, combining the two can result in serious injury or death.”[21] Both these links are involved in Prince’s Death, Percocet from Dr. Michael T. Schulenberg,andBuprenorphine from Andrew Kronfeld. Both Schulenberg and Kronfeld were at the crime scene at the time Prince was found DEAD.

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Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Well the younger ones are not speaking to the older ones. It appears to be Mattie kids against John's children. So there will no joint press conference. The older ones cannot be bothered to go to the Comerica meetings.

According to Charles they don't say much to other family members who are also irritated.

Charles rambles but he is right it is all about the money and as if no one cared about Prince as a person. He really appears to have had a shitty family.

I can tell they are are at odds just by getting a snaphot of the financial disputes from their respective lawyers. All things being equal, I truly feel that everyone closely associated with Prince in the past, is having their "get back at Prince " moment in one form or another. As much as they praised him, is as much as they secretly feared and loathe him.It's very subtle but you can feel the current.

We had one member in here who thought that coming in here to tell us about how much puss she was slinging at Paisley was a "special" thing. As I was reading her posts, it struck me as to how she interpreted this time with Prince as being the most "magical" of events at PP, when in reality, she was self-absorbed with the thought that she was the only one privy to purple penis . She knew she couldn't say that when he was alive . Is she any different from any other associate that reveal things only when it is convenient?

Musicians, wives, girls, photographers, labels, lawyers, friends, siblings, all have been waiting decades to paint a picture unaffected by Prince's input. There are at least two that come to mind that are so sublte with it that you would almost interpret it as unadulterated love.

secretly feared and loathe him Cosign on that. I would also add jelousy.

What is it like to know you are not gifted, hard working or talented as your sib? Prince made mistakes but I never got the impression he was a half wit. Artist are always a little out there so he was going to be flighty but these relatives I think are plumb crazy.

Why did they not take P's money and go to school and learn how to do for themselves and at what age do you realize you are not going to be a star? When do you go somewhere and just sit down and enjoy the money that is coming to you that you did not even work for.

They all want attention for doing nothing.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Well the younger ones are not speaking to the older ones. It appears to be Mattie kids against John's children. So there will no joint press conference. The older ones cannot be bothered to go to the Comerica meetings.

According to Charles they don't say much to other family members who are also irritated.

Charles rambles but he is right it is all about the money and as if no one cared about Prince as a person. He really appears to have had a shitty family.

I can tell they are are at odds just by getting a snaphot of the financial disputes from their respective lawyers. All things being equal, I truly feel that everyone closely associated with Prince in the past, is having their "get back at Prince " moment in one form or another. As much as they praised him, is as much as they secretly feared and loathe him.It's very subtle but you can feel the current.

We had one member in here who thought that coming in here to tell us about how much puss she was slinging at Paisley was a "special" thing. As I was reading her posts, it struck me as to how she interpreted this time with Prince as being the most "magical" of events at PP, when in reality, she was self-absorbed with the thought that she was the only one privy to purple penis . She knew she couldn't say that when he was alive . Is she any different from any other associate that reveal things only when it is convenient?

Musicians, wives, girls, photographers, labels, lawyers, friends, siblings, all have been waiting decades to paint a picture unaffected by Prince's input. There are at least two that come to mind that are so sublte with it that you would almost interpret it as unadulterated love.

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Laura & Menes: My thoughts, exactly!

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Seems all the sibs care about is the money. Hence, "sibling rivalry". It's such a shame that Prince had such a shitty family.

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"Purple Penis".......true!!

laurarichardson said:

Many people even other doctors have questioned what Dr. K was thinking. Prince had not been in a hospital being monitored that night before so how would Andrew have known what to he could give him.

I still say if those drugs Andrew brought along with the Rx Dr S wrote were combined with whatever Prince was taking the night before they might have killed him anyway.

I am not saying that was anyone's plan but at least 2 doctors and a medical student seemed to be aware of the risk of what they were trying to do and were ready to do it.

I am sorry that shit is shady and strange.

cloveringold85 said:

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Not everything that writer said is off-the-wall......He does his research and this is not an exaggeration.......

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On Saturday, April 16, the day after he was released from the hospital, Prince took the stage at a dance party as nothing had happened the day before.[19] A combination ofopioids like the Nazis’ secret D-IX could push you beyond the threshold of human pain, while you can use Suboxone– Buprenorphine to create euphoria (pain relief) while at the same the Naloxone take you down.

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On Wednesday, April 20 around 7 pm, Prince was spotted at Walgreens for the 4th timethat week near Paisley Park picking up prescriptions believed to have been Percocet.[20]On Thursday, April 21, Andrew Kronfeld invaded Paisley Park with Buprenorphine. You should be aware that “Percocet and buprenorphine” can both cause breathing to slow down, combining the two can result in serious injury or death.”[21] Both these links are involved in Prince’s Death, Percocet from Dr. Michael T. Schulenberg,andBuprenorphine from Andrew Kronfeld. Both Schulenberg and Kronfeld were at the crime scene at the time Prince was found DEAD.

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Yes, those Doctor's had to have known the risks involved. They knew Prince just OD in Moline and was given Narcan and was in the hospital -- and, who knows what they gave him while he was admitted!! Then, he went to see Dr. S. on the 20th, and he gave him more Rx's........I have a hard time wrapping my head around what transpired in his final days, but it does look shady.....that much is for certain!

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[Edited 2/14/18 13:14pm]

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Many people even other doctors have questioned what Dr. K was thinking. Prince had not been in a hospital being monitored that night before so how would Andrew have known what to he could give him.

I still say if those drugs Andrew brought along with the Rx Dr S wrote were combined with whatever Prince was taking the night before they might have killed him anyway.

I am not saying that was anyone's plan but at least 2 doctors and a medical student seemed to be aware of the risk of what they were trying to do and were ready to do it.

I am sorry that shit is shady and strange.

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Yes, those Doctor's had to have known the risks involved. They knew Prince just OD in Moline and was given Narcan and was in the hospital -- and, who knows what they gave him while he was admitted!! Then, he went to see Dr. S. on the 20th, and he gave him more Rx's........I have a hard time wrapping my head around what transpired in his final days, but it does look shady.....that much is for certain!

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[Edited 2/14/18 13:14pm]

Yes, I forgot that he was probaly given something when he was in the hospital. Why so many meds for someone who apparently needed drugs for withdrawing which if he had stayed in the hospital or transfered somewhere else he could have received.

But I do not think this is what the wrongful death suit is about because these actions did not kill him.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

I can tell they are are at odds just by getting a snaphot of the financial disputes from their respective lawyers. All things being equal, I truly feel that everyone closely associated with Prince in the past, is having their "get back at Prince " moment in one form or another. As much as they praised him, is as much as they secretly feared and loathe him.It's very subtle but you can feel the current.

We had one member in here who thought that coming in here to tell us about how much puss she was slinging at Paisley was a "special" thing. As I was reading her posts, it struck me as to how she interpreted this time with Prince as being the most "magical" of events at PP, when in reality, she was self-absorbed with the thought that she was the only one privy to purple penis . She knew she couldn't say that when he was alive . Is she any different from any other associate that reveal things only when it is convenient?

Musicians, wives, girls, photographers, labels, lawyers, friends, siblings, all have been waiting decades to paint a picture unaffected by Prince's input. There are at least two that come to mind that are so sublte with it that you would almost interpret it as unadulterated love.

secretly feared and loathe him Cosign on that. I would also add jelousy.

What is it like to know you are not gifted, hard working or talented as your sib? Prince made mistakes but I never got the impression he was a half wit. Artist are always a little out there so he was going to be flighty but these relatives I think are plumb crazy.

Why did they not take P's money and go to school and learn how to do for themselves and at what age do you realize you are not going to be a star? When do you go somewhere and just sit down and enjoy the money that is coming to you that you did not even work for.

They all want attention for doing nothing.

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Well said.

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Jealousy is a terrible thing; it can rip families apart, as I have personally experienced that. I give Prince a lot of credit and respect for everything that he did for his family. He could have left town and said "Fuck all of y'all" -- but he never turned his back on his family. He was a real Man and never turned his back on his responsibilities. He gave and gave, but what did anyone ever give him.....all you need is love in this world, and where is the love now from his family? Sad that he probably never felt real love from his family when he was on this earth.

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I agree; why didn't they take all that money and get an education or do something positive with their life. I guess when you have enablers, you don't have to do much of anything. I know I sound judgmental, but it happens in a lot of families.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

secretly feared and loathe him Cosign on that. I would also add jelousy.

What is it like to know you are not gifted, hard working or talented as your sib? Prince made mistakes but I never got the impression he was a half wit. Artist are always a little out there so he was going to be flighty but these relatives I think are plumb crazy.

Why did they not take P's money and go to school and learn how to do for themselves and at what age do you realize you are not going to be a star? When do you go somewhere and just sit down and enjoy the money that is coming to you that you did not even work for.

They all want attention for doing nothing.

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Well said.

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Jealousy is a terrible thing; it can rip families apart, as I have personally experienced that. I give Prince a lot of credit and respect for everything that he did for his family. He could have left town and said "Fuck all of y'all" -- but he never turned his back on his family. He was a real Man and never turned his back on his responsibilities. He gave and gave, but what did anyone ever give him.....all you need is love in this world, and where is the love now from his family? Sad that he probably never felt real love from his family when he was on this earth.

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I agree; why didn't they take all that money and get an education or do something positive with their life. I guess when you have enablers, you don't have to do much of anything. I know I sound judgmental, but it happens in a lot of families.

Co-sign

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, those Doctor's had to have known the risks involved. They knew Prince just OD in Moline and was given Narcan and was in the hospital -- and, who knows what they gave him while he was admitted!! Then, he went to see Dr. S. on the 20th, and he gave him more Rx's........I have a hard time wrapping my head around what transpired in his final days, but it does look shady.....that much is for certain!

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[Edited 2/14/18 13:14pm]

Yes, I forgot that he was probaly given something when he was in the hospital. Why so many meds for someone who apparently needed drugs for withdrawing which if he had stayed in the hospital or transfered somewhere else he could have received.

But I do not think this is what the wrongful death suit is about because these actions did not kill him.

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It may have to do with how his doctors did not get him prepped for detox properly. That sounds like negligence to me.

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Why was Dr. S. bringing Prince test results on the 21st? Was it bad news? Doctors usually won't tell you bad news over the phone. Thing is, Dr. S. really shouldn't have been prescribing Prince any more meds until he knew the tests results. I dunno....I'm just talking off the cuff here.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Well the younger ones are not speaking to the older ones. It appears to be Mattie kids against John's children. So there will no joint press conference. The older ones cannot be bothered to go to the Comerica meetings.

According to Charles they don't say much to other family members who are also irritated.

Charles rambles but he is right it is all about the money and as if no one cared about Prince as a person. He really appears to have had a shitty family.

I can tell they are are at odds just by getting a snaphot of the financial disputes from their respective lawyers. All things being equal, I truly feel that everyone closely associated with Prince in the past, is having their "get back at Prince " moment in one form or another. As much as they praised him, is as much as they secretly feared and loathe him.It's very subtle but you can feel the current.

We had one member in here who thought that coming in here to tell us about how much puss she was slinging at Paisley was a "special" thing. As I was reading her posts, it struck me as to how she interpreted this time with Prince as being the most "magical" of events at PP, when in reality, she was self-absorbed with the thought that she was the only one privy to purple penis . She knew she couldn't say that when he was alive . Is she any different from any other associate that reveal things only when it is convenient?

Musicians, wives, girls, photographers, labels, lawyers, friends, siblings, all have been waiting decades to paint a picture unaffected by Prince's input. There are at least two that come to mind that are so sublte with it that you would almost interpret it as unadulterated love.

Menes...these words resonated deeply ....

I can feel that current from Australia..

Lovejunky said:

Menes said:

I can tell they are are at odds just by getting a snaphot of the financial disputes from their respective lawyers. All things being equal, I truly feel that everyone closely associated with Prince in the past, is having their "get back at Prince " moment in one form or another. As much as they praised him, is as much as they secretly feared and loathe him.It's very subtle but you can feel the current.

We had one member in here who thought that coming in here to tell us about how much puss she was slinging at Paisley was a "special" thing. As I was reading her posts, it struck me as to how she interpreted this time with Prince as being the most "magical" of events at PP, when in reality, she was self-absorbed with the thought that she was the only one privy to purple penis . She knew she couldn't say that when he was alive . Is she any different from any other associate that reveal things only when it is convenient?

Musicians, wives, girls, photographers, labels, lawyers, friends, siblings, all have been waiting decades to paint a picture unaffected by Prince's input. There are at least two that come to mind that are so sublte with it that you would almost interpret it as unadulterated love.

Menes...these words resonated deeply ....

I can feel that current from Australia..

Yes Menes, Thank You for having the courage and clear insight to state the price that Prince had to pay for being Prince...the fear and loathing is palpable and adds to the tragedy. But, how could he have had the amazing 40 year run he did without being controlling,opinionated, the master of his message and art, the ultimate keeper of all things Prince??? The one thing that stands out to me as being perhaps, not so helpful or kind, was the way he dismissed and discarded people when he was done with them. That aura of pain that he caused surrounded him in life...and continues now as those he scorned are acting out their Prince 'final act'...Please let all this crap be over soon.

laurarichardson said:

Charles rambles but he is right it is all about the money and as if no one cared about Prince as a person. He really appears to have had a shitty family.

Harsh words, Laura, and hopefully completely untrue. Even if it were true that some of his immediate family do not cherish Prince as we do, he referred to us as his ‘fams’, which would lead me to believe that in a way he kinda perceived us (albeit very loosely) to be his extended family.

I hope he didn’t consider us ‘a shitty family’, though I have to wonder, especially when recalling some of the ungrateful bile he used to cop here on the org, whilst he was still somewhere here on earth.

Asides from his thousands of fans who love Prince to bits, I am sure that his private life was a far cry from the barren landscape bereft of love from close friends & family that some folks here seem keen to paint for him.

Off the top of my head, Tyka, Kirk, Van, Judith, Larry, and Sheila have all exhibited genuine, heartfelt grief about Prince’s untimely and shocking, sudden passing. Other loved ones too now come to mind such as Andy, Tamron, Shelby and Damaris.

I’ve no doubt they all love Prince dearly and miss him terribly every day, just as we fans do. Andre and Morris Day must surely also feel Prince’s loss very keenly. I thought Bobby Z spoke with a genuine warmth for Prince at the tribute, and I’d like to think that there may well be oodles of loved ones that are not in the public eye.

Love, prayers and encouragement from Prince’s wider fan ‘family’ would surely be preferable to some of the needless, unwarranted criticism that is sometimes fired their way. After all, I for one at least remain far from convinced any of them share any blame whatsoever in Prince’s passing.


It would be nice if we could collectively take a lesson from the vitriolic flak sometimes directed at Prince by some fellow orgers here before he passed, and look to avoid repeating the mistake with his loved ones.


Anil Dash's revelation that Prince frequented the org may have made caused shame, pain and/or regret for those who posted some surprisingly harsh words prior to his passing (especially considering we are supposedly his diehard fans).

As fans we still struggle to cope and come to terms with Prince’s loss. Even though our relationship with Prince may seem to others remote & tenuous, our love for both our man and his wonderful, funky music has made an indelible imprint on our lives, rendering our relationship with him deeply personal, though perhaps for me at least (as a daydreaming Pisces) fantastical and at times perhaps indistinct from reality. Surely as diehard fans we should be able to empathise with the amplified grief and loss suffered by Prince’s loved ones, and consequently give them our best wishes, love and support.

I don’t know any of Prince’s family from Adam Ant, but I have seen footage of Tyka picking up an award on her brother’s behalf and it was clear to me that she loves her brother dearly. I doubt very much that it is ‘all about the money’ for Tyka; her eyes are looking towards obtaining an eternal crown, and she will be only too aware that it is harder for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than a rich (wo)man enter the kingdom of heaven. I feel optimistic about Omarr too. I like to think that he has a lotta love for Prince and his heart is in the right place too hopefully.

I know very little about the elder siblings, but they are so old now that it beggars belief that they would be chasing money at their stage in life. I am not saying material greed in one’s seventies is impossible, but it does strike me as pretty unlikely.

I don’t even know which siblings are involved in this case, but their motive is not clear to me. It’s not impossible that they may simply be aggrieved about a perceived failure by a medical professional to fulfil his duty of care to their beloved brother and be looking to hold that person responsible accountable for their perceived negligence. Perhaps they may even be concerned about the defendant’s competence to practice medicine with a view to prevent others suffering a similar fate at his hands.

I am slightly uneasy that such a case pursued vigorously may have the potential to infringe on Prince’s privacy with regards to his health. I don’t agree that Prince loses that right to privacy simply because he has passed, especially if he was intent on keeping something that he considered personal and sensitive to him (such as serious illness) private from the general public.

In conclusion, rather than Prince being someone "no one cared about" with " a shitty family", I prefer to remember him as greatly loved and cherished first and foremost in person by his nearest & dearest loved ones, and secondly, more remotely by us, his weird and wonderful extended fam-ily of fans.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Well the younger ones are not speaking to the older ones. It appears to be Mattie kids against John's children. So there will no joint press conference. The older ones cannot be bothered to go to the Comerica meetings.

According to Charles they don't say much to other family members who are also irritated.

Charles rambles but he is right it is all about the money and as if no one cared about Prince as a person. He really appears to have had a shitty family.

I can tell they are are at odds just by getting a snaphot of the financial disputes from their respective lawyers. All things being equal, I truly feel that everyone closely associated with Prince in the past, is having their "get back at Prince " moment in one form or another. As much as they praised him, is as much as they secretly feared and loathe him.It's very subtle but you can feel the current.

What on earth are you referring to?

It must be “very subtle” indeed.

Larry and Damaris have as far I am aware have maintained a dignified respect.

Moreover, I don’t recall Kirk, Sheila, Tyka, Omarr, Van, Andy, Shelby and/or Judith having a single bad word to say about Prince, since he passed.

Why would you imagine they “secretly feared and loathed him”?

I don’t feel the current. At all.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, I forgot that he was probaly given something when he was in the hospital. Why so many meds for someone who apparently needed drugs for withdrawing which if he had stayed in the hospital or transfered somewhere else he could have received.

But I do not think this is what the wrongful death suit is about because these actions did not kill him.

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It may have to do with how his doctors did not get him prepped for detox properly. That sounds like negligence to me.

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Why was Dr. S. bringing Prince test results on the 21st? Was it bad news? Doctors usually won't tell you bad news over the phone. Thing is, Dr. S. really shouldn't have been prescribing Prince any more meds until he knew the tests results. I dunno....I'm just talking off the cuff here.

No, you her spot on. I honestly think Dr S did not know what the fuck he was doing concerning the withdrawals and why bring test results. No test results from the night before would be helpful the next day since Dr. S would have no idea what Prince had taken the night before.

It makes no sense whatsoever. I firmly believe another illness was at play which could of course happen if Prince were abusing these pain pills.

GrayDorian said:

laurarichardson said:

Harsh words, Laura, and hopefully completely untrue. Even if it were true that some of his immediate family do not cherish Prince as we do, he referred to us as his ‘fams’, which would lead me to believe that in a way he kinda perceived us (albeit very loosely) to be his extended family.

I hope he didn’t consider us ‘a shitty family’, though I have to wonder, especially when recalling some of the ungrateful bile he used to cop here on the org, whilst he was still somewhere here on earth.

Asides from his thousands of fans who love Prince to bits, I am sure that his private life was a far cry from the barren landscape bereft of love from close friends & family that some folks here seem keen to paint for him.

Off the top of my head, Tyka, Kirk, Van, Judith, Larry, and Sheila have all exhibited genuine, heartfelt grief about Prince’s untimely and shocking, sudden passing. Other loved ones too now come to mind such as Andy, Tamron, Shelby and Damaris.

I’ve no doubt they all love Prince dearly and miss him terribly every day, just as we fans do. Andre and Morris Day must surely also feel Prince’s loss very keenly. I thought Bobby Z spoke with a genuine warmth for Prince at the tribute, and I’d like to think that there may well be oodles of loved ones that are not in the public eye.

Love, prayers and encouragement from Prince’s wider fan ‘family’ would surely be preferable to some of the needless, unwarranted criticism that is sometimes fired their way. After all, I for one at least remain far from convinced any of them share any blame whatsoever in Prince’s passing.


It would be nice if we could collectively take a lesson from the vitriolic flak sometimes directed at Prince by some fellow orgers here before he passed, and look to avoid repeating the mistake with his loved ones.


Anil Dash's revelation that Prince frequented the org may have made caused shame, pain and/or regret for those who posted some surprisingly harsh words prior to his passing (especially considering we are supposedly his diehard fans).

As fans we still struggle to cope and come to terms with Prince’s loss. Even though our relationship with Prince may seem to others remote & tenuous, our love for both our man and his wonderful, funky music has made an indelible imprint on our lives, rendering our relationship with him deeply personal, though perhaps for me at least (as a daydreaming Pisces) fantastical and at times perhaps indistinct from reality. Surely as diehard fans we should be able to empathise with the amplified grief and loss suffered by Prince’s loved ones, and consequently give them our best wishes, love and support.

I don’t know any of Prince’s family from Adam Ant, but I have seen footage of Tyka picking up an award on her brother’s behalf and it was clear to me that she loves her brother dearly. I doubt very much that it is ‘all about the money’ for Tyka; her eyes are looking towards obtaining an eternal crown, and she will be only too aware that it is harder for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than a rich (wo)man enter the kingdom of heaven. I feel optimistic about Omarr too. I like to think that he has a lotta love for Prince and his heart is in the right place too hopefully.

I know very little about the elder siblings, but they are so old now that it beggars belief that they would be chasing money at their stage in life. I am not saying material greed in one’s seventies is impossible, but it does strike me as pretty unlikely.

I don’t even know which siblings are involved in this case, but their motive is not clear to me. It’s not impossible that they may simply be aggrieved about a perceived failure by a medical professional to fulfil his duty of care to their beloved brother and be looking to hold that person responsible accountable for their perceived negligence. Perhaps they may even be concerned about the defendant’s competence to practice medicine with a view to prevent others suffering a similar fate at his hands.

I am slightly uneasy that such a case pursued vigorously may have the potential to infringe on Prince’s privacy with regards to his health. I don’t agree that Prince loses that right to privacy simply because he has passed, especially if he was intent on keeping something that he considered personal and sensitive to him (such as serious illness) private from the general public.

In conclusion, rather than Prince being someone "no one cared about" with " a shitty family", I prefer to remember him as greatly loved and cherished first and foremost in person by his nearest & dearest loved ones, and secondly, more remotely by us, his weird and wonderful extended fam-ily of fans.

"I know very little about the elder siblings, but they are so old now that it beggars belief that they would be chasing money at their stage in life. I am not saying material greed in one’s seventies is impossible, but it does strike me as pretty unlikely."

Read about SNJ in the court docs. They are open about their need for money. According to Charles they tried to ban Omarr and Tyka from the funeral. SNJ has also tried to have Tyka and Omarr kicked out of their homes.

I will not go into Sharon's comments concerning their father's estate.

You are correct they are much to hold caring about this money but they care.

I do think Prince had fans, boyhood friends, and associates that cared about him. I just think he had troubles with the older sibs and we are now seeing it in the public.

GrayDorian said:

Menes said:

I can tell they are are at odds just by getting a snaphot of the financial disputes from their respective lawyers. All things being equal, I truly feel that everyone closely associated with Prince in the past, is having their "get back at Prince " moment in one form or another. As much as they praised him, is as much as they secretly feared and loathe him.It's very subtle but you can feel the current.

What on earth are you referring to?

It must be “very subtle” indeed.

Larry and Damaris have as far I am aware have maintained a dignified respect.

Moreover, I don’t recall Kirk, Sheila, Tyka, Omarr, Van, Andy, Shelby and/or Judith having a single bad word to say about Prince, since he passed.

Why would you imagine they “secretly feared and loathed him”?

I don’t feel the current. At all.

We are not discussing those people.

And we can assume that if he had left them a specific amount in a will or trust that they would be contesting that, unless there was a clause which said they got nothing if they contested the document.

GrayDorian said:

laurarichardson said:

Harsh words, Laura, and hopefully completely untrue. Even if it were true that some of his immediate family do not cherish Prince as we do, he referred to us as his ‘fams’, which would lead me to believe that in a way he kinda perceived us (albeit very loosely) to be his extended family.

I hope he didn’t consider us ‘a shitty family’, though I have to wonder, especially when recalling some of the ungrateful bile he used to cop here on the org, whilst he was still somewhere here on earth.

Asides from his thousands of fans who love Prince to bits, I am sure that his private life was a far cry from the barren landscape bereft of love from close friends & family that some folks here seem keen to paint for him.

Off the top of my head, Tyka, Kirk, Van, Judith, Larry, and Sheila have all exhibited genuine, heartfelt grief about Prince’s untimely and shocking, sudden passing. Other loved ones too now come to mind such as Andy, Tamron, Shelby and Damaris.

I’ve no doubt they all love Prince dearly and miss him terribly every day, just as we fans do. Andre and Morris Day must surely also feel Prince’s loss very keenly. I thought Bobby Z spoke with a genuine warmth for Prince at the tribute, and I’d like to think that there may well be oodles of loved ones that are not in the public eye.

Love, prayers and encouragement from Prince’s wider fan ‘family’ would surely be preferable to some of the needless, unwarranted criticism that is sometimes fired their way. After all, I for one at least remain far from convinced any of them share any blame whatsoever in Prince’s passing.


It would be nice if we could collectively take a lesson from the vitriolic flak sometimes directed at Prince by some fellow orgers here before he passed, and look to avoid repeating the mistake with his loved ones.


Anil Dash's revelation that Prince frequented the org may have made caused shame, pain and/or regret for those who posted some surprisingly harsh words prior to his passing (especially considering we are supposedly his diehard fans).

As fans we still struggle to cope and come to terms with Prince’s loss. Even though our relationship with Prince may seem to others remote & tenuous, our love for both our man and his wonderful, funky music has made an indelible imprint on our lives, rendering our relationship with him deeply personal, though perhaps for me at least (as a daydreaming Pisces) fantastical and at times perhaps indistinct from reality. Surely as diehard fans we should be able to empathise with the amplified grief and loss suffered by Prince’s loved ones, and consequently give them our best wishes, love and support.

I don’t know any of Prince’s family from Adam Ant, but I have seen footage of Tyka picking up an award on her brother’s behalf and it was clear to me that she loves her brother dearly. I doubt very much that it is ‘all about the money’ for Tyka; her eyes are looking towards obtaining an eternal crown, and she will be only too aware that it is harder for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than a rich (wo)man enter the kingdom of heaven. I feel optimistic about Omarr too. I like to think that he has a lotta love for Prince and his heart is in the right place too hopefully.

I know very little about the elder siblings, but they are so old now that it beggars belief that they would be chasing money at their stage in life. I am not saying material greed in one’s seventies is impossible, but it does strike me as pretty unlikely.

I don’t even know which siblings are involved in this case, but their motive is not clear to me. It’s not impossible that they may simply be aggrieved about a perceived failure by a medical professional to fulfil his duty of care to their beloved brother and be looking to hold that person responsible accountable for their perceived negligence. Perhaps they may even be concerned about the defendant’s competence to practice medicine with a view to prevent others suffering a similar fate at his hands.

I am slightly uneasy that such a case pursued vigorously may have the potential to infringe on Prince’s privacy with regards to his health. I don’t agree that Prince loses that right to privacy simply because he has passed, especially if he was intent on keeping something that he considered personal and sensitive to him (such as serious illness) private from the general public.

In conclusion, rather than Prince being someone "no one cared about" with " a shitty family", I prefer to remember him as greatly loved and cherished first and foremost in person by his nearest & dearest loved ones, and secondly, more remotely by us, his weird and wonderful extended fam-ily of fans.

Is this a sermon? What is this "eternal crown" and "kingdom of heaven" business you speak of? There are threads for biblical exegesis debates on the board down the street.

We here are concerned with hate , love , lust, sex , greed, and manner/cause of death. We are doing very well in hashing those things out however painful it may be to read. Some of us are acutely aware of all the good things connected to Prince and his name. There is no dispute about that. We also know where to go when we want to reason about such things.


If you don't know which siblings are involved in the case, and by your admission , know very little about the elder siblings, how did you conclude that they are too old to be chasing money at this stage in life? I wasn't aware that greed had an age limit.

Maybe the "shitty family" comments are based on actual events that are taking place in real time as opposed to some futuristic place clothed in figurative language? Yea, maybe we , who are in tune with the "natural world", are seeing things for what they actually are.

In conclusion, whether it is Prince, or a pontiff, all are subjected to the same elementary principles of human behavior. Posters on the board should not only be exposed to all things love and peace when we know that there is a parallel mechanism of hate and war.

[Edited 2/15/18 6:33am]

1Sasha said:

And we can assume that if he had left them a specific amount in a will or trust that they would be contesting that, unless there was a clause which said they got nothing if they contested the document.

Ray Charles' s children had a clause in his will and his children used Copyright to get around it.

I see a lot of parrells to the two estates but at least Prince did sign the WB contract and his sib will never get their hands on PR and he did assign those last albums to Dreamcorps. I wish he had assigned all of them.

As I stated before, some family members are milking(and getting milked) because of access to Prince's estate(funds). The link below (though (13) months old), is a small excerpt that paints a picture of the simultaneous fleecing. I paired paragraph 9-12( in the link) with some numerical values that I came across .It should come as no surprise that the siblings ( with their lawyers) have devised ways to individually profit from the estate. I'll update and post number at some point.


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Menes said:

GrayDorian said:

Harsh words, Laura, and hopefully completely untrue. Even if it were true that some of his immediate family do not cherish Prince as we do, he referred to us as his ‘fams’, which would lead me to believe that in a way he kinda perceived us (albeit very loosely) to be his extended family.

I hope he didn’t consider us ‘a shitty family’, though I have to wonder, especially when recalling some of the ungrateful bile he used to cop here on the org, whilst he was still somewhere here on earth.

Asides from his thousands of fans who love Prince to bits, I am sure that his private life was a far cry from the barren landscape bereft of love from close friends & family that some folks here seem keen to paint for him.

Off the top of my head, Tyka, Kirk, Van, Judith, Larry, and Sheila have all exhibited genuine, heartfelt grief about Prince’s untimely and shocking, sudden passing. Other loved ones too now come to mind such as Andy, Tamron, Shelby and Damaris.

I’ve no doubt they all love Prince dearly and miss him terribly every day, just as we fans do. Andre and Morris Day must surely also feel Prince’s loss very keenly. I thought Bobby Z spoke with a genuine warmth for Prince at the tribute, and I’d like to think that there may well be oodles of loved ones that are not in the public eye.

Love, prayers and encouragement from Prince’s wider fan ‘family’ would surely be preferable to some of the needless, unwarranted criticism that is sometimes fired their way. After all, I for one at least remain far from convinced any of them share any blame whatsoever in Prince’s passing.


It would be nice if we could collectively take a lesson from the vitriolic flak sometimes directed at Prince by some fellow orgers here before he passed, and look to avoid repeating the mistake with his loved ones.


Anil Dash's revelation that Prince frequented the org may have made caused shame, pain and/or regret for those who posted some surprisingly harsh words prior to his passing (especially considering we are supposedly his diehard fans).

As fans we still struggle to cope and come to terms with Prince’s loss. Even though our relationship with Prince may seem to others remote & tenuous, our love for both our man and his wonderful, funky music has made an indelible imprint on our lives, rendering our relationship with him deeply personal, though perhaps for me at least (as a daydreaming Pisces) fantastical and at times perhaps indistinct from reality. Surely as diehard fans we should be able to empathise with the amplified grief and loss suffered by Prince’s loved ones, and consequently give them our best wishes, love and support.

I don’t know any of Prince’s family from Adam Ant, but I have seen footage of Tyka picking up an award on her brother’s behalf and it was clear to me that she loves her brother dearly. I doubt very much that it is ‘all about the money’ for Tyka; her eyes are looking towards obtaining an eternal crown, and she will be only too aware that it is harder for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than a rich (wo)man enter the kingdom of heaven. I feel optimistic about Omarr too. I like to think that he has a lotta love for Prince and his heart is in the right place too hopefully.

I know very little about the elder siblings, but they are so old now that it beggars belief that they would be chasing money at their stage in life. I am not saying material greed in one’s seventies is impossible, but it does strike me as pretty unlikely.

I don’t even know which siblings are involved in this case, but their motive is not clear to me. It’s not impossible that they may simply be aggrieved about a perceived failure by a medical professional to fulfil his duty of care to their beloved brother and be looking to hold that person responsible accountable for their perceived negligence. Perhaps they may even be concerned about the defendant’s competence to practice medicine with a view to prevent others suffering a similar fate at his hands.

I am slightly uneasy that such a case pursued vigorously may have the potential to infringe on Prince’s privacy with regards to his health. I don’t agree that Prince loses that right to privacy simply because he has passed, especially if he was intent on keeping something that he considered personal and sensitive to him (such as serious illness) private from the general public.

In conclusion, rather than Prince being someone "no one cared about" with " a shitty family", I prefer to remember him as greatly loved and cherished first and foremost in person by his nearest & dearest loved ones, and secondly, more remotely by us, his weird and wonderful extended fam-ily of fans.

Is this a sermon? What is this "eternal crown" and "kingdom of heaven" business you speak of? There are threads for biblical exegesis debates on the board down the street.

We here are concerned with hate , love , lust, sex , greed, and manner/cause of death. We are doing very well in hashing those things out however painful it may be to read. Some of us are acutely aware of all the good things connected to Prince and his name. There is no dispute about that. We also know where to go when we want to reason about such things.


If you don't know which siblings are involved in the case, and by your admission , know very little about the elder siblings, how did you conclude that they are too old to be chasing money at this stage in life? I wasn't aware that greed had an age limit.

Maybe the "shitty family" comments are based on actual events that are taking place in real time as opposed to some futuristic place clothed in figurative language? Yea, maybe we , who are in tune with the "natural world", are seeing things for what they actually are.

In conclusion, whether it is Prince, or a pontiff, all are subjected to the same elementary principles of human behavior. Posters on the board should not only be exposed to all things love and peace when we know that there is a parallel mechanism of hate and war.

[Edited 2/15/18 6:33am]

co-sign...GO, MENES, GO!!!

Co-sign here, too. One of the reasons I've pretty much dropped my Facebook Prince groups is that they are all sunshine and butterflies right now. Celebration this - celebration that, Mayte was the love of his life and the only one who truly loved him, Andy Allo was the last love of his life, his family is the best and they loved him dearly - they don't care about the money, etc., etc. I just want the facts. I don't want any mumbo-jumbo. They have six-inch thick blinders on.

Menes said:

As I stated before, some family members are milking(and getting milked) because of access to Prince's estate(funds). The link below (though (13) months old), is a small excerpt that paints a picture of the simultaneous fleecing. I paired paragraph 9-12( in the link) with some numerical values that I came across .It should come as no surprise that the siblings ( with their lawyers) have devised ways to individually profit from the estate. I'll update and post number at some point.


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Most who follow the estate thread probably recognize the name of Traci V. Bransford( who served as Prince's general counsel during his career). What's the connection to her exorbitant fees? Here is a small snapshot of how each sibling was charged by respective firms for "work" associated with the estate. There are also Entertainment attorney fees , separate from these ,charged for each individual work.