cloveringold85 said:

I third.

rogifan said:

Is Prince up in heaven laughing at all of us or thinking we’re a bunch of nutters?

He knew that already.

Menes said:

Completely agree, especially that too much time is and has passed.
And thank you for your statements, Menes, i.e., the facts. It's obvious you've put time and effort into it and that says a great deal imho.

PennyPurple said:

We lost him to the fame monster long before drugs happened.
[Edited 2/1/18 18:19pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Completely agree. Like her, hate her, she loved and loves him.
Everyone needs someone to love them no matter what. That calls you on your sh#t and still believes you're the most beautiful person they know. Doesn't have to be a partner, either.
It's not too hard to figure out. Connect the dots. Sometimes it really isn't that complicated, especially when one takes the time to put their ego to the side.

laurarichardson said:

Please forgive the following snark.
It's like a g*d d*mn timer. Mention Mayte and ding ding!
He loved her. She loved him. They got married. Had a baby. Baby didn't make it past a week.
He had everything he wanted at that point in time and POOF it's gone. Just like that. No power. No control.
Having millions, global fame did not and could not save his son.
And it could not, and did not save him in April, 2016, either.

Morgaine said:

PennyPurple said:

And there we have it.

What a damn shame we had to lose another great artist do to drugs.

We lost him to the fame monster long before drugs happened. [Edited 2/1/18 18:19pm]

OMG...what an OUTSTANDUNG observation!!! Thanks, Penny xoxo

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

He did not want to be married to her anymore. He did something he was not happy about. It happens every day. Do you understand Mayte?

Please forgive the following snark. It's like a g*d d*mn timer. Mention Mayte and ding ding! He loved her. She loved him. They got married. Had a baby. Baby didn't make it past a week. He had everything he wanted at that point in time and POOF it's gone. Just like that. No power. No control. Having millions, global fame did not and could not save his son. And it could not, and did not save him in April, 2016, either.

This sums up his life in a profound and meaningful way, IMO. The music/artistry/genius stands on its own for all time...the corrosive/empty/false promises of fame, wealth, power do too....somewhere along the line, I think he got confused.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This sums up his life in a profound and meaningful way, IMO. The music/artistry/genius stands on its own for all time...the corrosive/empty/false promises of fame, wealth, power do too....somewhere along the line, I think he got confused.

I see you are still looking for and taking every opportunity to take shots at Prince.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

New wife and baby, finally free from WB with a 3 CD set that he titled emancipation.
There's nothing like being right there and having what you love most ripped away without being able to do a thing to truly recognize how powerless one really is.
And for someone who publicly stated many times he did not dwell on the past, how does one move on from such a monumental loss?
I read a poll last week that the #1 job teenage girls want is 'fame.'
Thanks, Bodhi 💜

Morgaine said:

So he was human?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

While I can agree with what you bolded as being true (in Morgaines post), I don’t find that it profoundly or meaningfully sums up his life.

Mumio said:

What does saying "I think he got confused sonmwhere along the way have to do with taking shots at Prince?
Why aren't you asking me? He's responding to what I said...
[Edited 2/1/18 20:53pm]

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Shocking huh?
💜

purplefam99 said:

I agree. I do not think those years summed up his life by any means. He lived 20+ years more and had lived almost 40 then.
I'm stating it's almost impossible for that not to affect him for the rest of his life. And it does seem to have been one of several/many turning point(s) in his life. He changed a great deal in the next decade.
I believe he was in extreme physical pain due to performing as much, as often, and as long, and in the manner in which he did.
I believe the 1st OD in Moline was also fentanyl.
I believe he knew he was taking illicit pills the 2nd time, when he passed. I do not believe it was intentional.
And none of it, in any way, shape, or form changes my respect, admiration, or love for the man or his music. I do not expect perfection.
I believe he had a gift. From something else, I'll call it God (easier). I believe God can and does work through anyone. As long as they are willing. And he was.
My perspective about what happened could possibly change if alternate facts/data is ever released. Not someone's opinion, what so and so said, etc. Evidence. Facts. Must corroborate.
But my awe of his brilliance will not ever fade.
💜

Morgaine said:

I agree with that ^ and thanks for the response. I didnt take your post as you saying
In any way that those years summed his life up. I was trying to politely
Disagree with the poster that said it did. We all loved him.

purplefam99 said:

I didn't think you did 💜
I was just stating what I believe based on what's out there so far.
I get why it's hard for some to think he may have been an addict. I have a cousin who was a war hero, everyone loved, etc, he passed away and the truth about some unknown activities came to light. Some people tried to find any answer other than the one they didn't like. To me, that was disrespectful: we are all flawed.
Prince said he was. Because he's a nusical genius he can't have flaws? Isn't that part of the problem.
Somewhat off topic but Gladys Knight was asked about MJs passing. She said (paraphrasing ) 'we didn't let him have a life, we wanted him to be who we wanted him to be.'
Though obviously quite different people in many ways, Prince and MJ had a level of fame few achieve. And it's a lot of pressure, no matter how it's spun. Just the number of people they both employed/took care of financially is a tremendous amount of stress.
Thanks for your reply 💜💜💜

morningsong said:

True. But we keep proving it over and over. Seriously at what point do people get sick of talking about this? It’s the same comments over and over with conspiracy theories and arguing thrown in for good measure. The horse is rolling in it’s grave at this point.

Morgaine said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This sums up his life in a profound and meaningful way, IMO. The music/artistry/genius stands on its own for all time...the corrosive/empty/false promises of fame, wealth, power do too....somewhere along the line, I think he got confused.

New wife and baby, finally free from WB with a 3 CD set that he titled emancipation. There's nothing like being right there and having what you love most ripped away without being able to do a thing to truly recognize how powerless one really is. And for someone who publicly stated many times he did not dwell on the past, how does one move on from such a monumental loss? I read a poll last week that the #1 job teenage girls want is 'fame.' Thanks, Bodhi 💜

We have plenty of evidence he moved on just fine. Dude had many carreer highlights over the next 20 years. The AGE live people said he was a joy to work with and jumped off the ground when the handed him the check from Musicology. He gave money to charities and had himself a good time.

Stop making his every waking day miserable for 20 years because a marrigage did not pan out.

It is absurd and there is no proof to even back it up.

How about this he worked, had carreer success, personal tragedies and got old. Just like millions of other people?

rogifan said:

morningsong said:

He knew that already.

True. But we keep proving it over and over. Seriously at what point do people get sick of talking about this? It’s the same comments over and over with conspiracy theories and arguing thrown in for good measure. The horse is rolling in it’s grave at this point.

I think some of it is hopes at gouding the ones that are still here to come on and just say something, coherent. It ain't worked so far, but who knows maybe, before most of us oldies get dementia, be nice to have one mystery of the universe resolved.

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

We have no proof that Prince was on board with an intervention. We are now hearing he was suppose to be at a holistic healing center. So what is the problem with someone in the last stages of life being addicted to drugs they are dying and should be comfortable. Not sure I follow the problem with that.

For a moment, let's assume Prince had a terminal illness snd did not know of an intervention, but his bff of 30+ years sets it up because he thinks he should what? Suffer? Your pov isn't logical for the same reasons it's illogical that he himself would choose to go to rehab for opiates. Please dont say his 30+ year bff didn't know he had a terminal illness. It doesn't make sense. He had problems with pain from doing thousands upon thousands of performances, many of which had after parties lasting upwards of two hours. It's not rocket science. Imho.

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Yea, and the real kicker is when CBS did that interview with KJ and he was asked: "Was Prince hurting?"......KJ said: "I don't know".

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Morgaine said:

purplefam99 said:

While I can agree with what you bolded as being true (in Morgaines post), I don’t find that it profoundly or meaningfully sums up his life.

I agree. I do not think those years summed up his life by any means. He lived 20+ years more and had lived almost 40 then. I'm stating it's almost impossible for that not to affect him for the rest of his life. And it does seem to have been one of several/many turning point(s) in his life. He changed a great deal in the next decade. I believe he was in extreme physical pain due to performing as much, as often, and as long, and in the manner in which he did. I believe the 1st OD in Moline was also fentanyl. I believe he knew he was taking illicit pills the 2nd time, when he passed. I do not believe it was intentional. And none of it, in any way, shape, or form changes my respect, admiration, or love for the man or his music. I do not expect perfection. I believe he had a gift. From something else, I'll call it God (easier). I believe God can and does work through anyone. As long as they are willing. And he was. My perspective about what happened could possibly change if alternate facts/data is ever released. Not someone's opinion, what so and so said, etc. Evidence. Facts. Must corroborate. But my awe of his brilliance will not ever fade. 💜

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To the bolded:

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They never said the OD in Moline was Fentanyl, it was Percocet. Why do you think that was the case?

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How could someone take illicit pills and not have the OD be intentional?

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I'm just trying to understand your logic.

Morgaine said:

purplefam99 said:

I agree with that ^ and thanks for the response. I didnt take your post as you saying In any way that those years summed his life up. I was trying to politely Disagree with the poster that said it did. We all loved him.

I didn't think you did 💜 I was just stating what I believe based on what's out there so far. I get why it's hard for some to think he may have been an addict. I have a cousin who was a war hero, everyone loved, etc, he passed away and the truth about some unknown activities came to light. Some people tried to find any answer other than the one they didn't like. To me, that was disrespectful: we are all flawed. Prince said he was. Because he's a nusical genius he can't have flaws? Isn't that part of the problem. Somewhat off topic but Gladys Knight was asked about MJs passing. She said (paraphrasing ) 'we didn't let him have a life, we wanted him to be who we wanted him to be.' Though obviously quite different people in many ways, Prince and MJ had a level of fame few achieve. And it's a lot of pressure, no matter how it's spun. Just the number of people they both employed/took care of financially is a tremendous amount of stress. Thanks for your reply 💜💜💜

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Prince enjoyed what he did; I don't think he felt pressured about anything.

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MJ was just living way beyond his means, and got himself into trouble.

cloveringold85 said:

Morgaine said:

purplefam99 said: I agree. I do not think those years summed up his life by any means. He lived 20+ years more and had lived almost 40 then. I'm stating it's almost impossible for that not to affect him for the rest of his life. And it does seem to have been one of several/many turning point(s) in his life. He changed a great deal in the next decade. I believe he was in extreme physical pain due to performing as much, as often, and as long, and in the manner in which he did. I believe the 1st OD in Moline was also fentanyl. I believe he knew he was taking illicit pills the 2nd time, when he passed. I do not believe it was intentional. And none of it, in any way, shape, or form changes my respect, admiration, or love for the man or his music. I do not expect perfection. I believe he had a gift. From something else, I'll call it God (easier). I believe God can and does work through anyone. As long as they are willing. And he was. My perspective about what happened could possibly change if alternate facts/data is ever released. Not someone's opinion, what so and so said, etc. Evidence. Facts. Must corroborate. But my awe of his brilliance will not ever fade. 💜

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To the bolded:

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They never said the OD in Moline was Fentanyl, it was Percocet. Why do you think that was the case?

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How could someone take illicit pills and not have the OD be intentional?

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I'm just trying to understand your logic.

There is no logic to understand. No one said anything about Fentanyl in Moline it actually state "percocets " in the seacrh warrants . Some people here have no problem simply making up things with explanation as to where these ideas come from.

cloveringold85 said:

Morgaine said:

purplefam99 said: I didn't think you did 💜 I was just stating what I believe based on what's out there so far. I get why it's hard for some to think he may have been an addict. I have a cousin who was a war hero, everyone loved, etc, he passed away and the truth about some unknown activities came to light. Some people tried to find any answer other than the one they didn't like. To me, that was disrespectful: we are all flawed. Prince said he was. Because he's a nusical genius he can't have flaws? Isn't that part of the problem. Somewhat off topic but Gladys Knight was asked about MJs passing. She said (paraphrasing ) 'we didn't let him have a life, we wanted him to be who we wanted him to be.' Though obviously quite different people in many ways, Prince and MJ had a level of fame few achieve. And it's a lot of pressure, no matter how it's spun. Just the number of people they both employed/took care of financially is a tremendous amount of stress. Thanks for your reply 💜💜💜

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Prince enjoyed what he did; I don't think he felt pressured about anything.

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MJ was just living way beyond his means, and got himself into trouble.

Thank you their stituations are totally different.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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To the bolded:

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They never said the OD in Moline was Fentanyl, it was Percocet. Why do you think that was the case?

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How could someone take illicit pills and not have the OD be intentional?

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I'm just trying to understand your logic.

There is no logic to understand. No one said anything about Fentanyl in Moline it actually state "percocets " in the seacrh warrants . Some people here have no problem simply making up things with explanation as to where these ideas come from.

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I'm not meaning to be rude here, but I don't know where some of this stuff comes from. It was never stated that Prince took illegal Fentanyl on the airplane in Moline.

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I just think that if someone knows they are taking illegal pills -- they know the outcome won't be good.

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That said, I don't believe that Prince knew what he was taking.

I think most people who take illegal pills -- or illegal drugs generally -- aren't intending to OD. In Prince's case, he might not have realized why he ODed the first time (that the pills were fentanyl-laced). He might not have realized that the same fate would await the next time he took pills from that batch (or maybe he just got the batches mixed up; he had lots of stuff in various bottles).

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The Moline incident still seems really hazy. If I recall the warrant correctly, Prince was reported as saying he took a couple "pain pills," and Kirk mentioned Percocets -- but who knows if that's accurate and/or if those Percocets were real or counterfeit. And we don't now if they did tests in Moline to ID the specific opioid he ODed on; I'm not sure there would have been a reson for them to run a test like that. (Or if Prince would have agreed to it.)

cloveringold85 said:

Morgaine said:

purplefam99 said: I agree. I do not think those years summed up his life by any means. He lived 20+ years more and had lived almost 40 then. I'm stating it's almost impossible for that not to affect him for the rest of his life. And it does seem to have been one of several/many turning point(s) in his life. He changed a great deal in the next decade. I believe he was in extreme physical pain due to performing as much, as often, and as long, and in the manner in which he did. I believe the 1st OD in Moline was also fentanyl. I believe he knew he was taking illicit pills the 2nd time, when he passed. I do not believe it was intentional. And none of it, in any way, shape, or form changes my respect, admiration, or love for the man or his music. I do not expect perfection. I believe he had a gift. From something else, I'll call it God (easier). I believe God can and does work through anyone. As long as they are willing. And he was. My perspective about what happened could possibly change if alternate facts/data is ever released. Not someone's opinion, what so and so said, etc. Evidence. Facts. Must corroborate. But my awe of his brilliance will not ever fade. 💜

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To the bolded:

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They never said the OD in Moline was Fentanyl, it was Percocet. Why do you think that was the case?

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How could someone take illicit pills and not have the OD be intentional?

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I'm just trying to understand your logic.

[Edited 2/2/18 14:20pm]

You honestly think he was so clueless by the 20th even after being in a hospital that he had no idea what was going? He might not have known when he spoke to Adrian before going to Atlanta or when left the stage and spoke to the Atlanta promoter but he knew what was going on after he came down off that plane. They certainly inform you before you leave the hospital.
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disch said:

rogifan said:

True. But we keep proving it over and over. Seriously at what point do people get sick of talking about this? It’s the same comments over and over with conspiracy theories and arguing thrown in for good measure. The horse is rolling in it’s grave at this point.

The REAL question is why is it that you, Sonshine, and others who think this same way continue to come into threads that you know this is being discussed in just to whine about it? Isn't it crystal clear at this point, as if it wasn't long ago , that those who want to continue talking about this don't care if you like it or not? Or do you do it just so you can take shots at people even though you don't want to take part in or add to the conversation? Or do you think you are morally superior to those who discuss these things? Because I sure can't see any reason at all why those who dislike these conversations and think they are the worst.thing.ever. just can't stay the hell away from them.


I don't have any issues with you rogifan but this business is annoying as fuck and I can't figure out why you come into these threads just to whine. Can't you find something else here on prince.org that you actually WANT to participate in? Surely there are other threads that interest you?

He knew he ODed on opioids. He wouldn't have needed a test at the hospital to tell him that (his revival by Narcan would show that). I don’t know one way or the other if he (or the hospital) knew the specific opioid that caused it, especially the OD was from a laced, mislabeled counterfeit pill that actually had a bunch of different opioids in it than its label indicated.


Laurarichardson said:[quote]You honestly think he was so clueless by the 20th even after being in a hospital that he had no idea what was going? He might not have known when he spoke to Adrian before going to Atlanta or when left the stage and spoke to the Atlanta promoter but he knew what was going on after he came down off that plane. They certainly inform you before you leave the hospital.
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disch said:[quote]

I think most people who take illegal pills -- or illegal drugs generally -- aren't intending to OD. In Prince's case, he might not have realized why he ODed the first time (that the pills were fentanyl-laced). He might not have realized that the same fate would await the next time he took pills from that batch (or maybe he just got the batches mixed up; he had lots of stuff in various bottles).

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The Moline incident still seems really hazy. If I recall the warrant correctly, Prince was reported as saying he took a couple "pain pills," and Kirk mentioned Percocets -- but who knows if that's accurate and/or if those Percocets were real or counterfeit. And we don't now if they did tests in Moline to ID the specific opioid he ODed on; I'm not sure there would have been a reson for them to run a test like that. (Or if Prince would have agreed to it.)

cloveringold85 said:

Morgaine said:

purplefam99 said: I agree. I do not think those years summed up his life by any means. He lived 20+ years more and had lived almost 40 then. I'm stating it's almost impossible for that not to affect him for the rest of his life. And it does seem to have been one of several/many turning point(s) in his life. He changed a great deal in the next decade. I believe he was in extreme physical pain due to performing as much, as often, and as long, and in the manner in which he did. I believe the 1st OD in Moline was also fentanyl. I believe he knew he was taking illicit pills the 2nd time, when he passed. I do not believe it was intentional. And none of it, in any way, shape, or form changes my respect, admiration, or love for the man or his music. I do not expect perfection. I believe he had a gift. From something else, I'll call it God (easier). I believe God can and does work through anyone. As long as they are willing. And he was. My perspective about what happened could possibly change if alternate facts/data is ever released. Not someone's opinion, what so and so said, etc. Evidence. Facts. Must corroborate. But my awe of his brilliance will not ever fade. 💜

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To the bolded:

.

They never said the OD in Moline was Fentanyl, it was Percocet. Why do you think that was the case?

.

How could someone take illicit pills and not have the OD be intentional?

.

I'm just trying to understand your logic.

[Edited 2/2/18 17:04pm]