bonatoc said:

Yes, and much more than that.
For many of us, it's a personal, intimate tragedy and for me, still a source of mild, chronic depression for two years now. Mild because as an adult I have coping mechanisms that help me deal with it, but I can't imagine how brutal it still feels to someone as beautifully naive as, say, KCOOLMUZIQ. For all the fun we made of his (her?) crazy posts, we understood the reasons.

We still suffer about our loss, not because he's gone, but because of lack of explanation.
So would the anonymous or close or medical or legal sources please stand up,
and give us at last the relief we need so badly?

Many of us really need to make peace with Prince's death.
The impact he had on our existence, the moments of grace we experienced, they amount to much more than the sadness for the loss of a great artist. Many have said it felt like losing a family member.

We're like family members who lost a dear one in a plane disaster above the ocean.
No body left, no black box, nothing but a stupid urn, a museoleum, and ugly suspicions.

I need to know, whatever the truth is.
I want to keep nothing but the joy I feel when I hear Prince's music.
Cuz the lingering pain caused by incomprehension, this whirlwind that drags us down,
I wanna letitgo.

Thanks 2 God 4 the music we had when he was there, and the music we got since he passed away. It's been a good reminder that with love, there is no death.

Most of all I want to thank the Orgers that go deep into this shit,
warrants and sordid chemicals and all. I know I couldn't.

Well said...

For me it felt like loosing a part of myself, of those teenage years, where everything surely would turn up to be bright and beautiful. That last puzzle piece, that will always be missing.

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Menes: I have to say, your attention to details is remarkable! If you are not a private investigator, you should be!

Co-sign- and from what Menes posted before taking a well needed haiatus a few weeks ago, Menes has done some serious analyzing/charting. I would love to see his/her investigative findings..

Thanks for the comments.

Doubling back!

1.Prescriptions are placed in Kirk's name on 4-7-2016.The warrant clearly states that "the dates those medications were prescribed to Johnson"... This is exactly the same time that Prince had an actual physical visit with Dr. Schulenberg . On this very day ,(per the warrant dated June 10th), Ondansetron and Oxycodone were prescribed . During the search, these prescription medications were found in different bottles than that actual names on "x" bottle indicated during the search . Dr. Schulenberg admitted to seeing Prince on that same exact day. Either Dr.Schulenberg was prescribing Ondansetron and Oxycodone for Kirk , yet saw Prince for something totally unrelated. Sure.

However, if you understand what is happening between these three men from since this date, it should not come as a surprise as to why things were so hidden in general. Why are these medications prescribed on this day, yet concealed in different bottles at Paisley Park? You would clearly understand what the probabilities are of this being "pancreatic cancer" vs. managing and hiding withdrawals from pain. I guess it could be cancer but this is a very strange protocol for any competent doctor who should know what his patients medical condition is. If he didn't know that Prince had cancer yet was prescribing him medication, this is malpractice. The estate should have sued him or have the D.A. look into prosecuting him. Why isn't he shouldering a part of the blame for giving Prince pain medication without a verified medical reason? Well, the answer is, he did have a valid reason for giving him pain medication and it tells you that in the warrant! This is why Dr. Schulenberg still has a license , is still practicing medicine , and was hired rather quickly with not one single problem.

2. Now on 4-14-2016, another prescription was written for Oxycodone on 4-14-2016 (see September 12th warrant) and placed in the name of Kirk Johnson again. I assume there were already in Atlanta when Kirk made that call. Dr. Schulenberg stated that "he had prescribed Prince a prescription for Oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk's name for privacy". There would be no way to use that prescription until he got back unless he got that filled in Atlanta. Why did Kirk need to call that in on the day Prince was performing?

3. On 4-15-2016 , The doctor in Moline stated that Prince had an opiate overdose. Do you know how many pills of 5mg/325 he would have had to swallow for something as generic as what was found @ Paisley Park to produce the given effect of an overdose? I have calculated that in the last search. He would had to have what I term a "skittles moment" and shovel quite a few in. For those who are interested it is in the last initial search warrant thread.

4. Let's rule out that he was prescribed Watson 853. There were too many and I don't believe a doctor that has developed a patient doctor relationship like this one, would do that to his patient. Its a slow death sentence.

5. I cant rule out the a349( other opiate found) but I think it is unlikely that if he had that many remaining, that it came from Dr. Schulenberg.

6. Now, Kirk, drove Prince to Walgreen to pick up prescribed medications for Prince. In this June 8th warrant Kirk tells investigators that the reason he contacted Dr. Schulenberg for Prince was for hip pain. This is probably a result of a previous conversation prior to 4-20- 2016. Dr. Schulenberg writes prescriptions on that day(20th) for Diazepam, Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate. Imagine that, more prescriptions , no blood test , not a word of cancer in the reports. Shame on him. This is the same day that Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him these medications. There is no mention of opiates, and no mention of having to put anything in Kirk Johnson's name . Anything opiate related, was placed in kirk's name. What is strange is that the warrant on April 21st does not list these three drugs as being found at Paisley Park.

7. a.When you start putting the mix or combination of drugs together ,(especially Oxycodone and Ondansetron, you start realizing the importance of taking 50000 Iu of D2 for mal-absorption. There are gastro-intestinal problems that comes along with that.

b. When you analyze what Buprenorphine is( to include its chemical makeup) you get a clearer picture of why there needed to be a base level test to determine if other opiates may still be present in your system.

c. If there were significant traces of opiates still in his system after Moline, Dr. Schulenberg was smart enough to administer the proper test to inform his client of the risks.

d. When you analyze all of the other additional substances that were in Andrew Kornfeld's bag, the picture gets even clearer.

Menes said:

precioux said:

Co-sign- and from what Menes posted before taking a well needed haiatus a few weeks ago, Menes has done some serious analyzing/charting. I would love to see his/her investigative findings..

Thanks for the comments.

Doubling back!

1.Prescriptions are placed in Kirk's name on 4-7-2016.The warrant clearly states that "the dates those medications were prescribed to Johnson"... This is exactly the same time that Prince had an actual physical visit with Dr. Schulenberg . On this very day ,(per the warrant dated June 10th), Ondansetron and Oxycodone were prescribed . During the search, these prescription medications were found in different bottles than that actual names on "x" bottle indicated during the search . Dr. Schulenberg admitted to seeing Prince on that same exact day. Either Dr.Schulenberg was prescribing Ondansetron and Oxycodone for Kirk , yet saw Prince for something totally unrelated. Sure.

However, if you understand what is happening between these three men from since this date, it should not come as a surprise as to why things were so hidden in general. Why are these medications prescribed on this day, yet concealed in different bottles at Paisley Park? You would clearly understand what the probabilities are of this being "pancreatic cancer" vs. managing and hiding withdrawals from pain. I guess it could be cancer but this is a very strange protocol for any competent doctor who should know what his patients medical condition is. If he didn't know that Prince had cancer yet was prescribing him medication, this is malpractice. The estate should have sued him or have the D.A. look into prosecuting him. Why isn't he shouldering a part of the blame for giving Prince pain medication without a verified medical reason? Well, the answer is, he did have a valid reason for giving him pain medication and it tells you that in the warrant! This is why Dr. Schulenberg still has a license , is still practicing medicine , and was hired rather quickly with not one single problem.

2. Now on 4-14-2016, another prescription was written for Oxycodone on 4-14-2016 (see September 12th warrant) and placed in the name of Kirk Johnson again. I assume there were already in Atlanta when Kirk made that call. Dr. Schulenberg stated that "he had prescribed Prince a prescription for Oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk's name for privacy". There would be no way to use that prescription until he got back unless he got that filled in Atlanta. Why did Kirk need to call that in on the day Prince was performing?

3. On 4-15-2016 , The doctor in Moline stated that Prince had an opiate overdose. Do you know how many pills of 5mg/325 he would have had to swallow for something as generic as what was found @ Paisley Park to produce the given effect of an overdose? I have calculated that in the last search. He would had to have what I term a "skittles moment" and shovel quite a few in. For those who are interested it is in the last initial search warrant thread.

4. Let's rule out that he was prescribed Watson 853. There were too many and I don't believe a doctor that has developed a patient doctor relationship like this one, would do that to his patient. Its a slow death sentence.

5. I cant rule out the a349( other opiate found) but I think it is unlikely that if he had that many remaining, that it came from Dr. Schulenberg.

6. Now, Kirk, drove Prince to Walgreen to pick up prescribed medications for Prince. In this June 8th warrant Kirk tells investigators that the reason he contacted Dr. Schulenberg for Prince was for hip pain. This is probably a result of a previous conversation prior to 4-20- 2016. Dr. Schulenberg writes prescriptions on that day(20th) for Diazepam, Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate. Imagine that, more prescriptions , no blood test , not a word of cancer in the reports. Shame on him. This is the same day that Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him these medications. There is no mention of opiates, and no mention of having to put anything in Kirk Johnson's name . Anything opiate related, was placed in kirk's name. What is strange is that the warrant on April 21st does not list these three drugs as being found at Paisley Park.

7. a.When you start putting the mix or combination of drugs together ,(especially Oxycodone and Ondansetron, you start realizing the importance of taking 50000 Iu of D2 for mal-absorption. There are gastro-intestinal problems that comes along with that.

b. When you analyze what Buprenorphine is( to include its chemical makeup) you get a clearer picture of why there needed to be a base level test to determine if other opiates may still be present in your system.

c. If there were significant traces of opiates still in his system after Moline, Dr. Schulenberg was smart enough to administer the proper test to inform his client of the risks.

d. When you analyze all of the other additional substances that were in Andrew Kornfeld's bag, the picture gets even clearer.

So you think that Prince was just a long term drug addict whose addiction spiraled out of control?

Menes said:

precioux said:

Co-sign- and from what Menes posted before taking a well needed haiatus a few weeks ago, Menes has done some serious analyzing/charting. I would love to see his/her investigative findings..

Thanks for the comments.

Doubling back!

1.Prescriptions are placed in Kirk's name on 4-7-2016.The warrant clearly states that "the dates those medications were prescribed to Johnson"... This is exactly the same time that Prince had an actual physical visit with Dr. Schulenberg . On this very day ,(per the warrant dated June 10th), Ondansetron and Oxycodone were prescribed . During the search, these prescription medications were found in different bottles than that actual names on "x" bottle indicated during the search . Dr. Schulenberg admitted to seeing Prince on that same exact day. Either Dr.Schulenberg was prescribing Ondansetron and Oxycodone for Kirk , yet saw Prince for something totally unrelated. Sure.

However, if you understand what is happening between these three men from since this date, it should not come as a surprise as to why things were so hidden in general. Why are these medications prescribed on this day, yet concealed in different bottles at Paisley Park? You would clearly understand what the probabilities are of this being "pancreatic cancer" vs. managing and hiding withdrawals from pain. I guess it could be cancer but this is a very strange protocol for any competent doctor who should know what his patients medical condition is. If he didn't know that Prince had cancer yet was prescribing him medication, this is malpractice. The estate should have sued him or have the D.A. look into prosecuting him. Why isn't he shouldering a part of the blame for giving Prince pain medication without a verified medical reason? Well, the answer is, he did have a valid reason for giving him pain medication and it tells you that in the warrant! This is why Dr. Schulenberg still has a license , is still practicing medicine , and was hired rather quickly with not one single problem.

2. Now on 4-14-2016, another prescription was written for Oxycodone on 4-14-2016 (see September 12th warrant) and placed in the name of Kirk Johnson again. I assume there were already in Atlanta when Kirk made that call. Dr. Schulenberg stated that "he had prescribed Prince a prescription for Oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk's name for privacy". There would be no way to use that prescription until he got back unless he got that filled in Atlanta. Why did Kirk need to call that in on the day Prince was performing?

3. On 4-15-2016 , The doctor in Moline stated that Prince had an opiate overdose. Do you know how many pills of 5mg/325 he would have had to swallow for something as generic as what was found @ Paisley Park to produce the given effect of an overdose? I have calculated that in the last search. He would had to have what I term a "skittles moment" and shovel quite a few in. For those who are interested it is in the last initial search warrant thread.

4. Let's rule out that he was prescribed Watson 853. There were too many and I don't believe a doctor that has developed a patient doctor relationship like this one, would do that to his patient. Its a slow death sentence.

5. I cant rule out the a349( other opiate found) but I think it is unlikely that if he had that many remaining, that it came from Dr. Schulenberg.

6. Now, Kirk, drove Prince to Walgreen to pick up prescribed medications for Prince. In this June 8th warrant Kirk tells investigators that the reason he contacted Dr. Schulenberg for Prince was for hip pain. This is probably a result of a previous conversation prior to 4-20- 2016. Dr. Schulenberg writes prescriptions on that day(20th) for Diazepam, Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate. Imagine that, more prescriptions , no blood test , not a word of cancer in the reports. Shame on him. This is the same day that Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him these medications. There is no mention of opiates, and no mention of having to put anything in Kirk Johnson's name . Anything opiate related, was placed in kirk's name. What is strange is that the warrant on April 21st does not list these three drugs as being found at Paisley Park.

7. a.When you start putting the mix or combination of drugs together ,(especially Oxycodone and Ondansetron, you start realizing the importance of taking 50000 Iu of D2 for mal-absorption. There are gastro-intestinal problems that comes along with that.

b. When you analyze what Buprenorphine is( to include its chemical makeup) you get a clearer picture of why there needed to be a base level test to determine if other opiates may still be present in your system.

c. If there were significant traces of opiates still in his system after Moline, Dr. Schulenberg was smart enough to administer the proper test to inform his client of the risks.

d. When you analyze all of the other additional substances that were in Andrew Kornfeld's bag, the picture gets even clearer.

^^^^^

Again, suburb work there, Menes!!

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On second thought, you would make a fine prosecuting attorney!!

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Kirk and Dr. S. seem very suspicious, to me. After Dr. S. enters the picture is when things began to go terribly wrong.

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Dr. S. should have known that Prince was not well enough to be at home. He should have been closely monitored after what happened in Moline.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Wow, take a breath, you're not forced to read this thread.

Thanks Menes for opening a second one, the first one got way over board.

Oh yeah, it was very long.

I do want to make one glaring thing clear. I am not saying Prince wasn't in pain because of something . The mystery of why Dr.S was bringing him copies of test that morning is quite tantalizing and could be anything. Of course, I had to go and look into why you would need a battery of test prior to starting withdrawal treatments unless it would've compromised a pre-existing condition.

Hey, Menes...missed you!

Does anyone know what Dr. Schulenberg is doing these days? Last I heard, he left his practice.

Menes said:

msicfan said:

I'm going to chime in based on my experience as a Nurse. It has been over 20 years since I was a Nurse. I worked on a Med./Surg. floor and had many patients on Chemo., Radiation and am very familiar with various cancer treatments.........

Cancer more than likely would've showed up on the autopsy. Several were questioned by the police and someone would've mentioned cancer which would trigger further investigation in to the autopsy.

As a Nurse...on a med/surg floor....I had MANY dealings with opiod addicts. My dealings with these people are one of the reasons I got out of the the medical field. A majority of these addicts, one would not be able to easily tell. They are/were highly intelligent and many are professionals...Lawyers/Accountants/Realtors, etc. As a Nurse.....you have to keep a constant eye on them and EVERYTHING they say and all of their moves. They are incredible at manipulating a situation to get more meds!!!! They even injure themselves to get more meds.

Having prefaced and established my credibility......

A couple of glaring things bothered me on what I've read that just don't jive.....

One thing I read is that a suitcase was found with loose pills....

Another thing is that there were various bottles of pills with lables on them such as a label for tylenol or something to that effect, yet the bottle was filled with narcotics.

These things don't jive with a typical opioid addict......An opioid addict is meticulous about their meds. They wouldn't leave a single loose pill in a suitcase or have various bottles of pills spread out.....If he had all these pills already; then why the visits to the pharmacy? Again, I want to point out that opioid addicts are METICULOUS about their meds.!

Another thing that bothers me is Prince's SEVERAL what I'll call antidrug references in SEVERAL of his songs. Have a hard time with Prince being a hypocrit in this way. Especially in light of his devotion to the Jehovah Witness style of Christianity. He gave up explicit sexual references and curse words for his faith.

What about his overdose resulting in unscheduled emergency landing the week before? That didn't trigger any red flags and investigations? This many people failed?

Now to my conspiracy theory which I hope doesn't sound too whacko or even discredit my above theories....

Prince had a contentious relationship with the record industry. He was breaking ground and innovating ways for artists to make more monies and the blood sucking recording industry making less....I'll leave that where it is......

The thing that bothers me also is in the past couple of years.....the odd deaths of other musicians at young ages.. The funny thing is....these musicians also had issues with record companies.

George Michael, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Tom Petty and there are others which escape my over 50 brain at this moment.

I can't put myself in the shoes of a famous musician. I can't say I understand the mindset or lifestyle. But I just don't understand the neglect and wanting to end it all when you have everything to live for? I also didn't mention...on the med./surg. floor I would sometimes get those who were recovering from attempting suicides. Part of my medical training was in the military. (USMC FMF HM for the verterans here) I saw many suicides and attempted suicides in the military. To be honest I never engaged any of those who attempted suicide in conversation. I was afraid of saying the wrongs things. I did let them know that I cared....

But these musicians that has recently committed suicide are just in entirely different situations then what I observed from suicide patients?

Greetings, not sure if your conspiracy theory is that Prince was murdered by the record label because of his past "contentious relationship " with said entities , or , that because opioid addicts are "meticulous with the meds" , that there is no way he could have been a part of his own death.

1. There is Prince, the public persona, Prince, the private persona and Prince ,the secretive enigma.

2. I am not sure when you have had some time to visit the homes of individuals addicted to opioids , but you cannot quantify all opioid addicts as having the same level of addiction, nor can you determine the behavioral trait of each specific addict that will be exhibited once the addiction modifies how a gene may behave in the brain. In order for you to even make such a statement you would have to have had a mapping of each genetic expression in each brain which is rather complex and unique.

3."Meticulous" about meds is merely a consequence of the function of an addicted brain and is a myopic attempt to breach what science has stated over and over again concerning regions of the brain that are affected.This is a mental disease as opposed to the social stigma attached to it.

4.Suicide, as a consequence of drug use, is not new, unique, or different from suicide related to depression, shame, guilt, or inherent behavioral traits that cannot be gauged by patterns you could readily identify.

5.There is empirical scientific studies/evidence to support that what you may have witnessed with suicides/attempted suicides in the military, does not necessarily correlate to any singular suicide/attempted suicide that may have taken place in a back alley.

6.As to your comment as to why a "red flag" wasn't triggered after the flight in Moline... I suspect that the assumption was that he took too much of a prescribed medication and that was the cause of the overdose as opposed to , Prince had illicit drugs that caused him to overdose.

7.If the investigation had proceeded in the direction of why Prince overdosed on illicit drugs, there was a chance that Prince would have been arrested for having illegal narcotics in his house if a warrant was granted to search Paisley Park. Even if they were not his , he would have to answer for it. This is important because even after the overdose , pills were still found (7) seven full days after the Moline incident . If you believe he was murdered, or that these drugs were planted ,that would mean that Prince had no knowledge of the opiates that were there, had no knowledge that opiates were placed in kirk's name for his consumption,and he had no knowledge of how he ingested opiates in Moline to cause the overdose in the first place. I could go on and on.

Here's another koo-koo possibility: Let's say Kirk is the addict.
Prince is on regular painkillers and so far, manages to take just what's needed.
The P&M Tour strains him though. So he tries something more potent, and OD's on the plane.
Let's say the pills disseminated in PP are Kirk's. Prince taking painkillers is the perfect excuse to hide Kirk's own batch amid the rest.
Prince takes the wrong shit from Kirk's batch.

If it turns out poor Kirk has nothing to do with all of this, I apologize in advance.
Without answers, we can only come up with these lurid scenarios.

paulludvig said:

Menes said:

Thanks for the comments.

Doubling back!

1.Prescriptions are placed in Kirk's name on 4-7-2016.The warrant clearly states that "the dates those medications were prescribed to Johnson"... This is exactly the same time that Prince had an actual physical visit with Dr. Schulenberg . On this very day ,(per the warrant dated June 10th), Ondansetron and Oxycodone were prescribed . During the search, these prescription medications were found in different bottles than that actual names on "x" bottle indicated during the search . Dr. Schulenberg admitted to seeing Prince on that same exact day. Either Dr.Schulenberg was prescribing Ondansetron and Oxycodone for Kirk , yet saw Prince for something totally unrelated. Sure.

However, if you understand what is happening between these three men from since this date, it should not come as a surprise as to why things were so hidden in general. Why are these medications prescribed on this day, yet concealed in different bottles at Paisley Park? You would clearly understand what the probabilities are of this being "pancreatic cancer" vs. managing and hiding withdrawals from pain. I guess it could be cancer but this is a very strange protocol for any competent doctor who should know what his patients medical condition is. If he didn't know that Prince had cancer yet was prescribing him medication, this is malpractice. The estate should have sued him or have the D.A. look into prosecuting him. Why isn't he shouldering a part of the blame for giving Prince pain medication without a verified medical reason? Well, the answer is, he did have a valid reason for giving him pain medication and it tells you that in the warrant! This is why Dr. Schulenberg still has a license , is still practicing medicine , and was hired rather quickly with not one single problem.

2. Now on 4-14-2016, another prescription was written for Oxycodone on 4-14-2016 (see September 12th warrant) and placed in the name of Kirk Johnson again. I assume there were already in Atlanta when Kirk made that call. Dr. Schulenberg stated that "he had prescribed Prince a prescription for Oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk's name for privacy". There would be no way to use that prescription until he got back unless he got that filled in Atlanta. Why did Kirk need to call that in on the day Prince was performing?

3. On 4-15-2016 , The doctor in Moline stated that Prince had an opiate overdose. Do you know how many pills of 5mg/325 he would have had to swallow for something as generic as what was found @ Paisley Park to produce the given effect of an overdose? I have calculated that in the last search. He would had to have what I term a "skittles moment" and shovel quite a few in. For those who are interested it is in the last initial search warrant thread.

4. Let's rule out that he was prescribed Watson 853. There were too many and I don't believe a doctor that has developed a patient doctor relationship like this one, would do that to his patient. Its a slow death sentence.

5. I cant rule out the a349( other opiate found) but I think it is unlikely that if he had that many remaining, that it came from Dr. Schulenberg.

6. Now, Kirk, drove Prince to Walgreen to pick up prescribed medications for Prince. In this June 8th warrant Kirk tells investigators that the reason he contacted Dr. Schulenberg for Prince was for hip pain. This is probably a result of a previous conversation prior to 4-20- 2016. Dr. Schulenberg writes prescriptions on that day(20th) for Diazepam, Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate. Imagine that, more prescriptions , no blood test , not a word of cancer in the reports. Shame on him. This is the same day that Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him these medications. There is no mention of opiates, and no mention of having to put anything in Kirk Johnson's name . Anything opiate related, was placed in kirk's name. What is strange is that the warrant on April 21st does not list these three drugs as being found at Paisley Park.

7. a.When you start putting the mix or combination of drugs together ,(especially Oxycodone and Ondansetron, you start realizing the importance of taking 50000 Iu of D2 for mal-absorption. There are gastro-intestinal problems that comes along with that.

b. When you analyze what Buprenorphine is( to include its chemical makeup) you get a clearer picture of why there needed to be a base level test to determine if other opiates may still be present in your system.

c. If there were significant traces of opiates still in his system after Moline, Dr. Schulenberg was smart enough to administer the proper test to inform his client of the risks.

d. When you analyze all of the other additional substances that were in Andrew Kornfeld's bag, the picture gets even clearer.

So you think that Prince was just a long term drug addict whose addiction spiraled out of control?

I don't know what constitutes long term use. Each person that suffers from this mental disease (addiction) has a different reaction. You could use crack once and become addicted. Some may use it longer and it would not have the same impact.

But here is something for you to ponder on... Let's say that you believe that Prince had hip surgery/hip replacement around 2008-2009. Let's calculate that number as 7 1/2 years between surgery and the time of his death.

In that (7/1/2) year period, figure out how many concerts you could find. Upon finding those concerts, shows, gigs, etc. ,calculate the hours of each show. Calculate any additional after parties you could find in relation to his concerts. I myself had to pay very close attention to what he is was wearing( specifically shoes) and the way he was moving . I discarded shows where he was seated. I paid even closer attention to rotational hip movement and leg movements. Just pretend his torso is missing. I want you tell me how do you think he would be able to pull this off( if he had hip surgery/hip replacement) without pain medication?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Oh yeah, it was very long.

I do want to make one glaring thing clear. I am not saying Prince wasn't in pain because of something . The mystery of why Dr.S was bringing him copies of test that morning is quite tantalizing and could be anything. Of course, I had to go and look into why you would need a battery of test prior to starting withdrawal treatments unless it would've compromised a pre-existing condition.

Hey, Menes...missed you!

Hey Bod, how are ya? Just clearing up a few things 'round these parts.

disch said:

Menes, thanks for trying to keep this conversation (if folks here insist on continuing to have it) to actual facts.

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Look, I'll be frank: If Prince were in the final stages of terminal cancer, and how he chose to address that is by self-medicating the pain with sketchy opioids he acquired illegally, then I'm afraid he had some serious phychologial illness along with the physical. That would simply be an irrational -- and, obviously, dangerous -- deicsion by him, no matter how anyone here would try to explain it away. And the idea that he wouldn't go to a doctor because he wanted to "maintain privacy" is laughable. For one: Every day celebs get treatment from doctors for all kinds of things that we know absolutely nothing about. And if he was THAT paranoid about possible public exposure, he would really feel it was more solidly secret if he got random illegal drugs from some supplier? If that was his actual thought process, then I'm sorry, but there was something very wrong with him.

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But I don't believe that was his thought process because there's simply no factual information that aligns with him having a late-stage terminal illness.

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The fact is, he was addicted to opioids, and all this endless discussion stems from some people's deep rooted prejudice and ignorance about people they consider "junkies," "pill-heads" and other forms of human trash. Some people feel more comfortable thinking of Prince enduring a painful, terrifying terminal diagnosis than thinking of him as struggling with addiction.

Menes said:

The lord is not concerned with this conversation.

Who is to say he needed anything legitimate. You are assuming he had something that required a prescription.

Why was Dr. Schulenberg bringing him test results on the same day Andrew was to arrive and administer additional substances to curb withdrawal? Do you know how buprenorphine reacts with other opiates that are still in your system? Do you know the risk? Furthermore, do you know the tests that are required and how many days to determine the test type? What are they testing for , Laura? I'm sure you know.

Did it occur to you that if he had "x" type of cancer that may have been terminal, the type of drugs that were found is not indicative of anything near what he should have tried to procure for pain? Watson 853's are trash. A bottom feeders way of dealing with serious pain. You could look on the black web right now and procure things that would have a much better impact on pain.

Did it occur to you that there is a counter balance in the mix of drugs found at Paisley Park?

Thanks, Disch, BINGO!

I wonder if Dr. Schulemberg was involved in planning the intervention? In addition, why didn't they rush Prince to a facility in Minneapolis, when that would have been the logical thing to do, given the emergency situation? These questions are like a merry-go-round!!

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And let's not forget Dr. Kornfeld and his son Andrew, who broke several laws and got away with it.

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“Family doctors should not be prescribing opioids aggressively for common conditions. They’re highly addictive and only appropriate for end-of-life care or when used for a few days after major surgery,” Dr. Andrew Kolodny, the New York-based director of Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing, told The News.

TypoQueen said:

Wow the ignorance and misinformation is astounding. With science and good health care these days no need for the loss or dignity. Reading what “some” have written on this thread about cancer or another illness could fear, dishearten someone recently diagnosed or a relative who has a loved in recently diagnosed with a illness. Just stop it and think before you type. Hush up about patients being left to defecate and urinate in a diaper. This is rare to happen. USA is not a third world country. It is one of the most advanced country when it comes to advancement in science, medical science and patient care along with countries in Europe and the UK. Granted you have to have insurance in the USA, monies to pay. Prince had the money to go wherever he pleased for medical care. He also had the monies to have security. Educate urself about Colostomy’s and Urinary indwelling catheters. Many in this world have them and have dignity and a good quality of life. Chemo/radiation/proton beam therapy/monoclonal antibodies etc can and is fine tuned to the individual. By doing so can reduce side effects. Many do receive a low dosage of daily chemo and have lived long pain free life's with dignity. If patients choice or the Doctor’s recommended choice is palliative care everything will be done to give dignity, be it medications, operations, support, care workers etc. You can have dignity in end of life. It’s rather common in UK and other countries for the patient to request to be put on end of life pathway. The patient makes the choice of it happening at home, in a hospice or hospital. Doctors will also place patients on end of life pathway if they deem the patient is suffering, has no dignity. Many have made the choice to go down the route of legalised euthanasia. You do not need to have an incurable illness to go down this route. This is neither costly. The patient decides the time/day and funeral arrangements. Non are privy to the full investigation into Prince’s passing. Limited information provided for public to view. Restriction deliberately done. For now it’s all conjecture, hearsay, gossip. The org turning into the national enquirer or the gutter press providing misinformation when it comes to medical care illnesses pfft. We all lost Prince. For many of us he was a friend, maybe some didn’t actually know him, just known him through his craft etc. People can argue it’s cause we so call care and that they trying to work out what happened. Really! Fact is this. Prince is no longer with us. Knowing how he passed isn’t going to change a thing. What “if’s” is not going to change a thing. He has left this world. The powers that be the authorities are investigating. If wrong was done they will deal with it. If he decided to step out this planet that was his choice, respect it. If an accident due to medications for chronic pain, until the day people walk in the shoes of a chronic pain suffer then hush do not judge, stop with the what “if’s”. People will do whatever to get through the day with a permanent mask on that everything is ok however when alone it’s a different story. Chronic pain is a mind f*%# and sometimes they have no medical cure. Sometimes people go through operations that do not cure or the operations actually make things worse. We do not live in times that medical science can resolve everything. Prince did darn good in his life, his craft, nurturing future generations in industry, an educator on the business, donated to many causes, a philanthropist. And did a lot more. He reached out often to people who was ill, people suffering, not necessary with an illness, paid for medical care, homes for friends/loved ones/ people he didn’t know etc. Prince had and showed much empathy for others so try and understand and show some empathy for him and others. Prince was human and had his flaws like us all. He tried to get through the day like we all have to do. Prince’s life work will be watched and listened to for many generations. How he passed will not be remembered. I know what most I’ve written will be ignored however, please stop and think with the misinformation especially when it comes to dignity and illnesses. Tread carefully so not to upset/harm/dishearten another. Life can be hard enough as it is. Be kind and thoughtful to one another as u do not know what battle some are having. [Edited 1/4/18 6:51am]

Thank you for your compassionate post.

cloveringold85 said:

I wonder if Dr. Schulemberg was involved in planning the intervention? In addition, why didn't they rush Prince to a facility in Minneapolis, when that would have been the logical thing to do, given the emergency situation? These questions are like a merry-go-round!!

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And let's not forget Dr. Kornfeld and his son Andrew, who broke several laws and got away with it.

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“Family doctors should not be prescribing opioids aggressively for common conditions. They’re highly addictive and only appropriate for end-of-life care or when used for a few days after major surgery,” Dr. Andrew Kolodny, the New York-based director of Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing, told The News.

the places in minnesota would have started rumours, that's if you believe the only thing ailing prince was a pill problem and pain. If you think like i do that his days were numbered anyway you cut it, what's the point in fighting? I doubt he wanted to spend his last days having to hear rumours swirling about, people trying to get to him.

bonatoc said:

Menes said:

Greetings, not sure if your conspiracy theory is that Prince was murdered by the record label because of his past "contentious relationship " with said entities , or , that because opioid addicts are "meticulous with the meds" , that there is no way he could have been a part of his own death.

1. There is Prince, the public persona, Prince, the private persona and Prince ,the secretive enigma.

2. I am not sure when you have had some time to visit the homes of individuals addicted to opioids , but you cannot quantify all opioid addicts as having the same level of addiction, nor can you determine the behavioral trait of each specific addict that will be exhibited once the addiction modifies how a gene may behave in the brain. In order for you to even make such a statement you would have to have had a mapping of each genetic expression in each brain which is rather complex and unique.

3."Meticulous" about meds is merely a consequence of the function of an addicted brain and is a myopic attempt to breach what science has stated over and over again concerning regions of the brain that are affected.This is a mental disease as opposed to the social stigma attached to it.

4.Suicide, as a consequence of drug use, is not new, unique, or different from suicide related to depression, shame, guilt, or inherent behavioral traits that cannot be gauged by patterns you could readily identify.

5.There is empirical scientific studies/evidence to support that what you may have witnessed with suicides/attempted suicides in the military, does not necessarily correlate to any singular suicide/attempted suicide that may have taken place in a back alley.

6.As to your comment as to why a "red flag" wasn't triggered after the flight in Moline... I suspect that the assumption was that he took too much of a prescribed medication and that was the cause of the overdose as opposed to , Prince had illicit drugs that caused him to overdose.

7.If the investigation had proceeded in the direction of why Prince overdosed on illicit drugs, there was a chance that Prince would have been arrested for having illegal narcotics in his house if a warrant was granted to search Paisley Park. Even if they were not his , he would have to answer for it. This is important because even after the overdose , pills were still found (7) seven full days after the Moline incident . If you believe he was murdered, or that these drugs were planted ,that would mean that Prince had no knowledge of the opiates that were there, had no knowledge that opiates were placed in kirk's name for his consumption,and he had no knowledge of how he ingested opiates in Moline to cause the overdose in the first place. I could go on and on.

Here's another koo-koo possibility: Let's say Kirk is the addict.
Prince is on regular painkillers and so far, manages to take just what's needed.
The P&M Tour strains him though. So he tries something more potent, and OD's on the plane.
Let's say the pills disseminated in PP are Kirk's. Prince taking painkillers is the perfect excuse to hide Kirk's own batch amid the rest.
Prince takes the wrong shit from Kirk's batch.

If it turns out poor Kirk has nothing to do with all of this, I apologize in advance.
Without answers, we can only come up with these lurid scenarios.

My friend, there is evidence that Prince/Dr.Schulenberg had things placed in Kirk's name for Prince to use. The doctor states that, so...

I think that it is highy probable he was "managing" addiction and pain simultaneously. That I can agree with. The alternative is to think that he had reached a point where he was completely strung out on pills and whether he had pain or not was negligible.

Let's be clear though, if he was so concerned about privacy why not put all medications in Kirk's name? Why just those that contained opiates? You think that he wanted people to know he suffered from bouts of nausea ,possibly soiling himself, high blood pressure, and anxiety (based upon the other prescriptions he had filled) because he altered his private way of doing things just for those things? Very selective, my friend, but not very smart if you've been that private and paranoid all of your life. You don't see that?

bonatoc said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Bonatoc: Everything you stated is quite plausible.

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I think the amount of Fentanyl that was in his system did not allow him to react.
He probably went very quickly, and that is a painful reality to accept; to think he went so tragically really saddens me.

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You are right about the control issue. If he wanted out of this life, he was gonna do it his way.

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But like Dr. Drew said, usually when people commit suicide, they just take a bunch of pills and go to bed.
It seems to me, that he stepped into the elevator, then took the pills, because that is where he was found.

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Prince putting his clothes on backwards could have also been a statement to a certain someone. We just don't know.

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When you think of the incredible life Prince had and all of his success, then he went out like this.....a Greek tragedy.

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Yes, and much more than that.
For many of us, it's a personal, intimate tragedy
and for me, still a source of mild, chronic depression for two years now.
Mild because as an adult I have coping mechanisms that help me deal with it,
but I can't imagine how brutal it still feels to someone as beautifully naive as, say, KCOOLMUZIQ.
For all the fun we made of his (her?) crazy posts, we understood the reasons.

We still suffer about our loss, not because he's gone, but because of lack of explanation.
So would the anonymous or close or medical or legal sources please stand up,
and give us at last the relief we need so badly?

Many of us really need to make peace with Prince's death.
The impact he had on our existence, the moments of grace we experienced, they amount to much more
than the sadness for the loss of a great artist. Many have said it felt like losing a family member.

We're like family members who lost a dear one in a plane disaster above the ocean.
No body left, no black box, nothing but a stupid urn, a museoleum, and ugly suspicions.

I need to know, whatever the truth is.
I want to keep nothing but the joy I feel when I hear Prince's music.
Cuz the lingering pain caused by incomprehension, this whirlwind that drags us down,
I wanna letitgo.

Thanks 2 God 4 the music we had when he was there,
and the music we got since he passed away.
It's been a good reminder that with love, there is no death.

Most of all I want to thank the Orgers that go deep into this shit,
warrants and sordid chemicals and all. I know I couldn't.

Thank you for this...

precioux said:

bonatoc said:

I would add: it's no longer about "free will".

That is why I have a problem with Menes stating he knew what he was risking, based on the Moline incident.
No matter how many warnings, sane advice people are giving you, or even your own flashes of reason,
when your body is screaming for another dose, you take it.

People more versed than I am in medical matters could prove me wrong, but my guess is,
if you add on top of this the fact that he was barely eating, you end up with an organism
that pumps nothing but this awful chemistry. Wouldn't the effects be tenfold then?

I insist on the control freak nature of the man.
Maybe he thought he could control his intakes as he could control the concrete aspects of his life.
This obsession of wanting to be in control could explain the choice of non-classic medical circuits.
It can also be used as a strong argument for leaving on his own terms.
Still, something bothers me. If we consider suicide, this would mean he knew the pill was mislabeled.
And there lies a contradiction: if you're a control freak, and you've decided to go,
you make sure what you take is lethal. And so you don't rely on a pill possibly not being lethal.

I think if Prince was willing to commit suicide, he would have taken a bunch of sleeping pills along with it.
But the elevator, to me, can only mean one of two things, that are pretty much the same.

One is, Prince is willingly taking a street drug which someone has guaranteed him it would take him away for good,
then has a dawning panicking reaction when he feels his brain is going berserk, "oh my God what have I done",
tries to get up, tries to put on some clothes while higher than the highest of kites, and tries to reach for help.

The second is the absurd, stupid accident: Prince takes the usual pill,
except it's this fucking concentrated poison, has a dawning panicking reaction when he feels his brain is going berserk,
"oh my God what is happening to me", tries to get up, tries to put on some clothes while higher than the highest of kites, and tries to reach for help.

There is a third option, similar to the first, but it's just too koo-koo, even for me:
Prince plans the date (SISIA recording anniversary) of his departure, puts on his clothes inside out because of some irish folklore,
and choses the elevator as his departure spot in a last egomaniac reference to drugs in "Let's Go Crazy".

[Edited 1/4/18 17:07pm]

As koo-koo as #3 sounds, it makes total sense on a f*cked up level [Edited 1/4/18 19:26pm]

I agree, precioux.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

I wonder if Dr. Schulemberg was involved in planning the intervention? In addition, why didn't they rush Prince to a facility in Minneapolis, when that would have been the logical thing to do, given the emergency situation? These questions are like a merry-go-round!!

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And let's not forget Dr. Kornfeld and his son Andrew, who broke several laws and got away with it.

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“Family doctors should not be prescribing opioids aggressively for common conditions. They’re highly addictive and only appropriate for end-of-life care or when used for a few days after major surgery,” Dr. Andrew Kolodny, the New York-based director of Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing, told The News.

the places in minnesota would have started rumours, that's if you believe the only thing ailing prince was a pill problem and pain. If you think like i do that his days were numbered anyway you cut it, what's the point in fighting? I doubt he wanted to spend his last days having to hear rumours swirling about, people trying to get to him.

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Pete: I don't think that would be entirely the case if Prince got treatment in MN. It wouldn't be any different if he went to L.A. Word spreads like wildfire in Hollywood. Furthermore, doctors must follow HIPAA laws.

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What would the fear of rumors matter at that point when Prince was in dire need of help? It's your friend there, a family member and they need help. Dial 911 or take them to the closest treatment facility.

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Prince's rep calls Dr. Kornfeld in California, instead of taking him somewhere locally? I say, malarkey! Were they really trying to help Prince, or just trying to cover their tracks?

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Dr. Kornfeld has a horrible track record. Read about Steven Adler; he said Dr. K. almost killed him..........

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After going through detox, Kornfeld wrote Adler doze... at a time including Prozac, Valium, Antabuse, and lithium, his mother recalled. In her book she lists 63 prescriptions Adler received from the doctor in just one month. The first pharmacy bill she received exceeded $2,000, she said.

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https://www.thefix.com/pr...new-memoir

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There is no evidence of two oxy scripts written by Dr. S.

The warrant states that the Minnesota Registry shows that only ONE controlled substance had been prescribed under Kirk's name,

that's the only reason many of us can come up with, someone on here, maybe 5 days after he died had a thread "the moral of the story is shame kills" their theory was his shame of addiction and hiding it killed him because he was trapped by his own pride. I could see that, really could. i still think it's more likely that he had something else, why? well, he was a superman, no sleep, not much to eat, years on end, work, work, work, those kinds of guys usually just bowl right over things that the rest of us would be stopped by. I just have that much faith in prince, and maybe i shouldn't but he's a guy who did nothing but overcome limits. Morris Hayes was stating that Prince warned him that he should never say he couldn't do something around him because he doesn't allow it in his world. I just think he had something terminal, be it aids or cancer or both, i think his days were numbered. Been saying this for awhile and I haven't seen alot to change my mind.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

the places in minnesota would have started rumours, that's if you believe the only thing ailing prince was a pill problem and pain. If you think like i do that his days were numbered anyway you cut it, what's the point in fighting? I doubt he wanted to spend his last days having to hear rumours swirling about, people trying to get to him.

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Pete: I don't think that would be entirely the case if Prince got treatment in MN. It wouldn't be any different if he went to L.A. Word spreads like wildfire in Hollywood. Furthermore, doctors must follow HIPAA laws.

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What would the fear of rumors matter at that point when Prince was in dire need of help? It's your friend there, a family member and they need help. Dial 911 or take them to the closest treatment facility.

.

Prince's rep calls Dr. Kornfeld in California, instead of taking him somewhere locally? I say, malarkey! Were they really trying to help Prince, or just trying to cover their tracks?

.

Dr. Kornfeld has a horrible track record. Read about Steven Adler; he said Dr. K. almost killed him..........

.

After going through detox, Kornfeld wrote Adler doze... at a time including Prozac, Valium, Antabuse, and lithium, his mother recalled. In her book she lists 63 prescriptions Adler received from the doctor in just one month. The first pharmacy bill she received exceeded $2,000, she said.

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https://www.thefix.com/pr...new-memoir

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There is no evidence of two oxy scripts written by Dr. S.

The warrant states that the Minnesota Registry shows that only ONE controlled substance had been prescribed under Kirk's name,

The June 10th warrant states that " one of the pill bottles a vitamin D bottle was found to contain Ondanestron hydrochloride, a second bottle bottle said to contain Ondanestron was found to contain the controlled substance Aceteminphen /Oxycodone. So there are two prescribed medications . The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson according to the pill bottles was 4-7-2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg. Vitamin D was not in the bottle and not a scheduled substance.

The 4-14-2016 prescription was strictly for Oxycodone. So if the prescription program didn't pick up the initial batch that contained Ondanestron or oxycodone in the prescription program, they were prescribed on 4-7-2016 . It clearly states " medications".

What else do you have?

PeteSilas said:

that's the only reason many of us can come up with, someone on here, maybe 5 days after he died had a thread "the moral of the story is shame kills" their theory was his shame of addiction and hiding it killed him because he was trapped by his own pride. I could see that, really could. i still think it's more likely that he had something else, why? well, he was a superman, no sleep, not much to eat, years on end, work, work, work, those kinds of guys usually just bowl right over things that the rest of us would be stopped by. I just have that much faith in prince, and maybe i shouldn't but he's a guy who did nothing but overcome limits. Morris Hayes was stating that Prince warned him that he should never say he couldn't do something around him because he doesn't allow it in his world. I just think he had something terminal, be it aids or cancer or both, i think his days were numbered. Been saying this for awhile and I haven't seen alot to change my mind.

cloveringold85 said:

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Pete: I don't think that would be entirely the case if Prince got treatment in MN. It wouldn't be any different if he went to L.A. Word spreads like wildfire in Hollywood. Furthermore, doctors must follow HIPAA laws.

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What would the fear of rumors matter at that point when Prince was in dire need of help? It's your friend there, a family member and they need help. Dial 911 or take them to the closest treatment facility.

.

Prince's rep calls Dr. Kornfeld in California, instead of taking him somewhere locally? I say, malarkey! Were they really trying to help Prince, or just trying to cover their tracks?

.

Dr. Kornfeld has a horrible track record. Read about Steven Adler; he said Dr. K. almost killed him..........

.

After going through detox, Kornfeld wrote Adler doze... at a time including Prozac, Valium, Antabuse, and lithium, his mother recalled. In her book she lists 63 prescriptions Adler received from the doctor in just one month. The first pharmacy bill she received exceeded $2,000, she said.

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https://www.thefix.com/pr...new-memoir

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So, assuming he had something terminal, was the 21st all planned out for that day, or did it just happen to be that day because something precipitated the action? Curious.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

that's the only reason many of us can come up with, someone on here, maybe 5 days after he died had a thread "the moral of the story is shame kills" their theory was his shame of addiction and hiding it killed him because he was trapped by his own pride. I could see that, really could. i still think it's more likely that he had something else, why? well, he was a superman, no sleep, not much to eat, years on end, work, work, work, those kinds of guys usually just bowl right over things that the rest of us would be stopped by. I just have that much faith in prince, and maybe i shouldn't but he's a guy who did nothing but overcome limits. Morris Hayes was stating that Prince warned him that he should never say he couldn't do something around him because he doesn't allow it in his world. I just think he had something terminal, be it aids or cancer or both, i think his days were numbered. Been saying this for awhile and I haven't seen alot to change my mind.

So, assuming he had something terminal, was the 21st all planned out for that day, or did it just happen to be that day because something precipitated the action? Curious.

you mean the "intervention" I don't know, someone else said something about maybe he wasn't even serious about a rehab, who knows. like i say, if he knew he was dying, what is the point about going through rehab. the blind gossip rumour stated that he'd die by summer, he didn't even make it two weeks past that. If you're asking did he intentionally kill himself on the 21st? i don't know, we don't even know if he did die on the 21st, it might have been on the 20th but, yes, i'm aware that the 21st of april had bad mojo for prince. Maybe it was just fated that way.

PeteSilas said:

Menes said:

So, assuming he had something terminal, was the 21st all planned out for that day, or did it just happen to be that day because something precipitated the action? Curious.

you mean the "intervention" I don't know, someone else said something about maybe he wasn't even serious about a rehab, who knows. like i say, if he knew he was dying, what is the point about going through rehab. the blind gossip rumour stated that he'd die by summer, he didn't even make it two weeks past that. If you're asking did he intentionally kill himself on the 21st? i don't know, we don't even know if he did die on the 21st, it might have been on the 20th but, yes, i'm aware that the 21st of april had bad mojo for prince. Maybe it was just fated that way.

No, just the 21st. Do you think that that day was planned or was it precipitated/triggered by perhaps the event in Moline. You understand.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

you mean the "intervention" I don't know, someone else said something about maybe he wasn't even serious about a rehab, who knows. like i say, if he knew he was dying, what is the point about going through rehab. the blind gossip rumour stated that he'd die by summer, he didn't even make it two weeks past that. If you're asking did he intentionally kill himself on the 21st? i don't know, we don't even know if he did die on the 21st, it might have been on the 20th but, yes, i'm aware that the 21st of april had bad mojo for prince. Maybe it was just fated that way.

No, just the 21st. Do you think that that day was planned or was it precipitated/triggered by perhaps the event in Moline. You understand.

i don't know, i believe that it's possible that his place, the elevator and the manner of death may have been intentional. Prince could have a mean sense of humor so i could see it, i really could, but i don't know if he had that planned for long before he did it. He barely escaped death the week before so i don't know. i do think he was telling us though, in typical prince fashion that he wasn't long for this world, songs like the breakdown and way back home and most alarmingly to me, in retrospect, his revamping of lets go crazy, turning it from an uptempo dance/rock tune into a sludgy, metallic/grunge tune a few years ago.

PeteSilas said:

Menes said:

No, just the 21st. Do you think that that day was planned or was it precipitated/triggered by perhaps the event in Moline. You understand.

i don't know, i believe that it's possible that his place, the elevator and the manner of death may have been intentional. Prince could have a mean sense of humor so i could see it, i really could, but i don't know if he had that planned for long before he did it. He barely escaped death the week before so i don't know. i do think he was telling us though, in typical prince fashion that he wasn't long for this world, songs like the breakdown and way back home and most alarmingly to me, in retrospect, his revamping of lets go crazy, turning it from an uptempo dance/rock tune into a sludgy, metallic/grunge tune a few years ago.

Mmhmm. So if you believe that it is possible that "his place ,the elevator and the manner of death may have been intentional", could you see Prince planning to die in some other alternative fashion/place if you believe he had a terminal illness?

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There is no evidence of two oxy scripts written by Dr. S.

The warrant states that the Minnesota Registry shows that only ONE controlled substance had been prescribed under Kirk's name,

The June 10th warrant states that " one of the pill bottles a vitamin D bottle was found to contain Ondanestron hydrochloride, a second bottle bottle said to contain Ondanestron was found to contain the controlled substance Aceteminphen /Oxycodone. So there are two prescribed medications . The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson according to the pill bottles was 4-7-2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg. Vitamin D was not in the bottle and not a scheduled substance.

The 4-14-2016 prescription was strictly for Oxycodone. So if the prescription program didn't pick up the initial batch that contained Ondanestron or oxycodone in the prescription program, they were prescribed on 4-7-2016 . It clearly states " medications".

What else do you have?

Menes, I am not challenging you.

I dont have anything but what I read in the warrants. We dont have Dr. S's medical records.

The last warrant filed was September 19, 2016 and it states:

On Monday, 05-09-16 I learned that Sgt. Meier had received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel from the Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office. In speaking to Dr. Strobel, we learned that the results from Prince’s toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic Fentanyl in his system. Your affiant along with the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program warrant and learned that Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.

It could very well be Dr. S was confused when interviewed by the detectives as to the date he prescribed the Oxy.

Any doctor who would prescribe two Oxy scripts in 7 days to the same patient would at the very least come under review by the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice for over prescribing on such a high profile case. Dr. S has not.

As you can see Dr. S has never had disciplinary action taken against his license to practice medicine in the State of Minnesota.

It could very well be a script was written for Prince under an assumed name other than Kirk's on another date. I dunno.

But the Minnesota Registry shows one one controlled script for Kirk and none for Prince. The Registry would be the most accurate record.

[Edited 1/6/18 4:51am]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

The June 10th warrant states that " one of the pill bottles a vitamin D bottle was found to contain Ondanestron hydrochloride, a second bottle bottle said to contain Ondanestron was found to contain the controlled substance Aceteminphen /Oxycodone. So there are two prescribed medications . The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson according to the pill bottles was 4-7-2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg. Vitamin D was not in the bottle and not a scheduled substance.

The 4-14-2016 prescription was strictly for Oxycodone. So if the prescription program didn't pick up the initial batch that contained Ondanestron or oxycodone in the prescription program, they were prescribed on 4-7-2016 . It clearly states " medications".

What else do you have?

Menes, I am not challenging you.

I dont have anything but what I read in the warrants. We dont have Dr. S's medical records.

The last warrant filed was September 19, 2016 and it states:

On Monday, 05-09-16 I learned that Sgt. Meier had received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel from the Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office. In speaking to Dr. Strobel, we learned that the results from Prince’s toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic Fentanyl in his system. Your affiant along with the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program warrant and learned that Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.

It could very well be Dr. S was confused when interviewed by the detectives as to the date he prescribed the Oxy.

Any doctor who would prescribe two Oxy scripts in 7 days to the same patient would at the very least come under review by the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice for over prescribing on such a high profile case. Dr. S has not.

https://bmp.hlb.state.mn....<ype=PY

As you can see Dr. S has never had disciplinary action taken against his license to practice medicine in the State of Minnesota.

It could very well be a script was written for Prince under an assumed name other than Kirk's on another date. I dunno.

But the Minnesota Registry shows one one controlled script for Kirk and none for Prince. The Registry would be the most accurate record.

Darling, I didn't take it as a challenge . You are one of the few here that really digs into what is being written and makes sure that the information is as accurate as can be. Shame I cant say that about the many here who post constant questions and give nothing in return.

Yes, I saw that warrant for September, but something is off here.

Did you see the June warrant where it stated that medications were written on 4-7-2016? One has to be the Ondanestron for sure, but that is not showing up in the prescription program The only other medication found was the Oxycodone. The prescriptions were written for that day (4-7)and is wholly separate from 4-14-2016. We know it's not the vitamin D, as that bottle was used as a ruse to house the actual pills that prescriptions were written for.

That is why I stated that these three men in general were hiding something. Remember that this is the same day(4-7-2016) Prince went to see him. How is it nothing is showing up until the 14th for just one thing? I don't get it.

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Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't know, i believe that it's possible that his place, the elevator and the manner of death may have been intentional. Prince could have a mean sense of humor so i could see it, i really could, but i don't know if he had that planned for long before he did it. He barely escaped death the week before so i don't know. i do think he was telling us though, in typical prince fashion that he wasn't long for this world, songs like the breakdown and way back home and most alarmingly to me, in retrospect, his revamping of lets go crazy, turning it from an uptempo dance/rock tune into a sludgy, metallic/grunge tune a few years ago.

Mmhmm. So if you believe that it is possible that "his place ,the elevator and the manner of death may have been intentional", could you see Prince planning to die in some other alternative fashion/place if you believe he had a terminal illness?

i could see him intentionally doing it in an elevator as a sick joke, yes. I don't think the lyrics and his death are coincidental but they could be. If he had a terminal illness, i don't know how someone with that lifestyle, used to being pampered, having things his own way would take to the indignity that we all have to go through. I think he took matters into his own hands, but.., like the rest of you, I don't know much of anything.

PeteSilas said:

i could see him intentionally doing it in an elevator as a sick joke, yes. I don't think the lyrics and his death are coincidental but they could be. If he had a terminal illness, i don't know how someone with that lifestyle, used to being pampered, having things his own way would take to the indignity that we all have to go through. I think he took matters into his own hands, but.., like the rest of you, I don't know much of anything.

Pete, I will reluctantly tell you this is one of the first things I thought of when I learned of his passing.

Menes said: