bonatoc said:

morningsong said:

First I don't know if he had cancer or not, but how come it is automatically assumed that since he obviously didn't clear it with his fans he never sought anykind of treatment? He didn't like doctors? Well, there's a rumor going around he had some kind of surgery, I'm guessing he went to some type of doctor to get that done. Maybe if is serious enough he just might, maybe cross a doctor's threshold.

Cancer doesn't just magically go away just because you see a doctor or because you have treatment even in the early stages, it has a tendency in some cases to come back and even have the nerve to show up in other places in the body. That's why it's such a sob. Sneaky bastard.


And why must it be cancer? Everybody leaves this planet by a trillion different ways, and the list of things that'll medically go stage left on you is a mile or 2 long. The same 4 things keep recycling around here.

I think we're going to be surprised, maybe not but given the track record of things we think we've figured out my money's on surprised.

Yea , there would only be one shocker of a thing that would make me shut it down. Cancer , murder, suicide, none of those would shock me.

Menes said:

morningsong said:

First I don't know if he had cancer or not, but how come it is automatically assumed that since he obviously didn't clear it with his fans he never sought anykind of treatment? He didn't like doctors? Well, there's a rumor going around he had some kind of surgery, I'm guessing he went to some type of doctor to get that done. Maybe if is serious enough he just might, maybe cross a doctor's threshold.

Cancer doesn't just magically go away just because you see a doctor or because you have treatment even in the early stages, it has a tendency in some cases to come back and even have the nerve to show up in other places in the body. That's why it's such a sob. Sneaky bastard.


And why must it be cancer? Everybody leaves this planet by a trillion different ways, and the list of things that'll medically go stage left on you is a mile or 2 long. The same 4 things keep recycling around here.

I think we're going to be surprised, maybe not but given the track record of things we think we've figured out my money's on surprised.

Yea , there would only be one shocker of a thing that would make me shut it down. Cancer , murder, suicide, none of those would shock me.

And what would that be?

Did anyone stop to think that maybe his family didn't even know that he had (IF he had) PC until the autopsy? Maybe Prince didn't even know he had it seeing as he rarely went to the Dr.?

PennyPurple said:

precious said:

PennyPurple said:

Did anyone stop to think that maybe his family didn't even know that he had (IF he had) PC until the autopsy? Maybe Prince didn't even know he had it seeing as he rarely went to the Dr.?

Yes,Penny...I thought of that as well and wondered if that's what the test results were that Dr. S was bringing the day he died

disch said:

It seems SUPER unlikely that the doctor was coming to tell him he had pancreatic cancer. Everyone I know whose had cancer was diagnosed by a specialist (not a family doctor) after several different tests.
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I think the doctor was most likely bringing drug test results as a prerequisite for starting treatment.
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Some of this speculation is starting to read like a bizarre variant on fan fiction.

precious said:

Yes,Penny...I thought of that as well and wondered if that's what the test results were that Dr. S was bringing the day he died

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Did anyone stop to think that maybe his family didn't even know that he had (IF he had) PC until the autopsy? Maybe Prince didn't even know he had it seeing as he rarely went to the Dr.?

Yes,Penny...I thought of that as well and wondered if that's what the test results were that Dr. S was bringing the day he died

The chefs said that he was having problems with his stomach and throat and they would make smoothies for him. That could be the beginning symptoms. My guess is he didn't even know and neither did his family and the autopsy told them. That's why other people may be saying there is more to the story.

Editing because I actually don't want to get into spats here. Best wishes to you (oh and the change of the last letter of your name from Z to S in my response was beause was I was on my phone and my autocorrect apparantly took over. I didn't notice until you pointed it out and I see now that it was extremely upsetting to you, and I apologize).

precioux said:

Maybe you have amnesia, or maybe you just didn't realize that Dr.S was also listed as a critical care physician at the hospital in MN...Miss Fan "Fiction" Furthermore, I serious doubt any Dr would NOT make a house call to someone of Prince's stature, especially if it was in regards to something possibly dire...but carry on with your ideas... BTW, I'm reporting your ass for changing the spelling of my name. disch said:

It seems SUPER unlikely that the doctor was coming to tell him he had pancreatic cancer. Everyone I know whose had cancer was diagnosed by a specialist (not a family doctor) after several different tests. - I think the doctor was most likely bringing drug test results as a prerequisite for starting treatment. - Some of this speculation is starting to read like a bizarre variant on fan fiction.

[Edited 1/4/18 21:49pm]

prince was smart, he could make it look anyway he wanted to. what if the aids/leukemia stories are true? what will you guys say then? If he was living on borrowed time what would it matter what he took? I really hope the bullshit about him listening to "some crazy religious people" who told him to stop taking medication for aids isn't true. It does sound like something he'd do honestly. this is a guy who called time a trick and didn't believe in aging.

precioux said:

bonatoc said:

I would add: it's no longer about "free will".

That is why I have a problem with Menes stating he knew what he was risking, based on the Moline incident.
No matter how many warnings, sane advice people are giving you, or even your own flashes of reason,
when your body is screaming for another dose, you take it.

People more versed than I am in medical matters could prove me wrong, but my guess is,
if you add on top of this the fact that he was barely eating, you end up with an organism
that pumps nothing but this awful chemistry. Wouldn't the effects be tenfold then?

I insist on the control freak nature of the man.
Maybe he thought he could control his intakes as he could control the concrete aspects of his life.
This obsession of wanting to be in control could explain the choice of non-classic medical circuits.
It can also be used as a strong argument for leaving on his own terms.
Still, something bothers me. If we consider suicide, this would mean he knew the pill was mislabeled.
And there lies a contradiction: if you're a control freak, and you've decided to go,
you make sure what you take is lethal. And so you don't rely on a pill possibly not being lethal.

I think if Prince was willing to commit suicide, he would have taken a bunch of sleeping pills along with it.
But the elevator, to me, can only mean one of two things, that are pretty much the same.

One is, Prince is willingly taking a street drug which someone has guaranteed him it would take him away for good,
then has a dawning panicking reaction when he feels his brain is going berserk, "oh my God what have I done",
tries to get up, tries to put on some clothes while higher than the highest of kites, and tries to reach for help.

The second is the absurd, stupid accident: Prince takes the usual pill,
except it's this fucking concentrated poison, has a dawning panicking reaction when he feels his brain is going berserk,
"oh my God what is happening to me", tries to get up, tries to put on some clothes while higher than the highest of kites, and tries to reach for help.

There is a third option, similar to the first, but it's just too koo-koo, even for me:
Prince plans the date (SISIA recording anniversary) of his departure, puts on his clothes inside out because of some irish folklore,
and choses the elevator as his departure spot in a last egomaniac reference to drugs in "Let's Go Crazy".

[Edited 1/4/18 17:07pm]

As koo-koo as #3 sounds, it makes total sense on a f*cked up level [Edited 1/4/18 19:26pm]

disch said:

I'm going to chime in based on my experience as a Nurse. It has been over 20 years since I was a Nurse. I worked on a Med./Surg. floor and had many patients on Chemo., Radiation and am very familiar with various cancer treatments.........

Cancer more than likely would've showed up on the autopsy. Several were questioned by the police and someone would've mentioned cancer which would trigger further investigation in to the autopsy.

As a Nurse...on a med/surg floor....I had MANY dealings with opiod addicts. My dealings with these people are one of the reasons I got out of the the medical field. A majority of these addicts, one would not be able to easily tell. They are/were highly intelligent and many are professionals...Lawyers/Accountants/Realtors, etc. As a Nurse.....you have to keep a constant eye on them and EVERYTHING they say and all of their moves. They are incredible at manipulating a situation to get more meds!!!! They even injure themselves to get more meds.

Having prefaced and established my credibility......

A couple of glaring things bothered me on what I've read that just don't jive.....

One thing I read is that a suitcase was found with loose pills....

Another thing is that there were various bottles of pills with lables on them such as a label for tylenol or something to that effect, yet the bottle was filled with narcotics.

These things don't jive with a typical opioid addict......An opioid addict is meticulous about their meds. They wouldn't leave a single loose pill in a suitcase or have various bottles of pills spread out.....If he had all these pills already; then why the visits to the pharmacy? Again, I want to point out that opioid addicts are METICULOUS about their meds.!

Another thing that bothers me is Prince's SEVERAL what I'll call antidrug references in SEVERAL of his songs. Have a hard time with Prince being a hypocrit in this way. Especially in light of his devotion to the Jehovah Witness style of Christianity. He gave up explicit sexual references and curse words for his faith.

What about his overdose resulting in unscheduled emergency landing the week before? That didn't trigger any red flags and investigations? This many people failed?

Now to my conspiracy theory which I hope doesn't sound too whacko or even discredit my above theories....

Prince had a contentious relationship with the record industry. He was breaking ground and innovating ways for artists to make more monies and the blood sucking recording industry making less....I'll leave that where it is......

The thing that bothers me also is in the past couple of years.....the odd deaths of other musicians at young ages.. The funny thing is....these musicians also had issues with record companies.

George Michael, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Tom Petty and there are others which escape my over 50 brain at this moment.

I can't put myself in the shoes of a famous musician. I can't say I understand the mindset or lifestyle. But I just don't understand the neglect and wanting to end it all when you have everything to live for? I also didn't mention...on the med./surg. floor I would sometimes get those who were recovering from attempting suicides. Part of my medical training was in the military. (USMC FMF HM for the verterans here) I saw many suicides and attempted suicides in the military. To be honest I never engaged any of those who attempted suicide in conversation. I was afraid of saying the wrongs things. I did let them know that I cared....

But these musicians that has recently committed suicide are just in entirely different situations then what I observed from suicide patients?

Tom Petty and George Michael died of natural causes. Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington died of suicide and they had long addiction problems. Lot's of artists have problems with their record companies. Chris and Chester was still making mega $$ for their recording labels.

Yes the autopsy would have showed if there was cancer, but we aren't privy to the FULL autopsy.

msicfan said:

I'm going to chime in based on my experience as a Nurse. It has been over 20 years since I was a Nurse. I worked on a Med./Surg. floor and had many patients on Chemo., Radiation and am very familiar with various cancer treatments.........

Cancer more than likely would've showed up on the autopsy. Several were questioned by the police and someone would've mentioned cancer which would trigger further investigation in to the autopsy.

As a Nurse...on a med/surg floor....I had MANY dealings with opiod addicts. My dealings with these people are one of the reasons I got out of the the medical field. A majority of these addicts, one would not be able to easily tell. They are/were highly intelligent and many are professionals...Lawyers/Accountants/Realtors, etc. As a Nurse.....you have to keep a constant eye on them and EVERYTHING they say and all of their moves. They are incredible at manipulating a situation to get more meds!!!! They even injure themselves to get more meds.

Having prefaced and established my credibility......

A couple of glaring things bothered me on what I've read that just don't jive.....

One thing I read is that a suitcase was found with loose pills....

Another thing is that there were various bottles of pills with lables on them such as a label for tylenol or something to that effect, yet the bottle was filled with narcotics.

These things don't jive with a typical opioid addict......An opioid addict is meticulous about their meds. They wouldn't leave a single loose pill in a suitcase or have various bottles of pills spread out.....If he had all these pills already; then why the visits to the pharmacy? Again, I want to point out that opioid addicts are METICULOUS about their meds.!

Another thing that bothers me is Prince's SEVERAL what I'll call antidrug references in SEVERAL of his songs. Have a hard time with Prince being a hypocrit in this way. Especially in light of his devotion to the Jehovah Witness style of Christianity. He gave up explicit sexual references and curse words for his faith.

What about his overdose resulting in unscheduled emergency landing the week before? That didn't trigger any red flags and investigations? This many people failed?

Now to my conspiracy theory which I hope doesn't sound too whacko or even discredit my above theories....

Prince had a contentious relationship with the record industry. He was breaking ground and innovating ways for artists to make more monies and the blood sucking recording industry making less....I'll leave that where it is......

The thing that bothers me also is in the past couple of years.....the odd deaths of other musicians at young ages.. The funny thing is....these musicians also had issues with record companies.

George Michael, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Tom Petty and there are others which escape my over 50 brain at this moment.

I can't put myself in the shoes of a famous musician. I can't say I understand the mindset or lifestyle. But I just don't understand the neglect and wanting to end it all when you have everything to live for? I also didn't mention...on the med./surg. floor I would sometimes get those who were recovering from attempting suicides. Part of my medical training was in the military. (USMC FMF HM for the verterans here) I saw many suicides and attempted suicides in the military. To be honest I never engaged any of those who attempted suicide in conversation. I was afraid of saying the wrongs things. I did let them know that I cared....

But these musicians that has recently committed suicide are just in entirely different situations then what I observed from suicide patients?

msicfan said:

I'm going to chime in based on my experience as a Nurse. It has been over 20 years since I was a Nurse. I worked on a Med./Surg. floor and had many patients on Chemo., Radiation and am very familiar with various cancer treatments.........

Cancer more than likely would've showed up on the autopsy. Several were questioned by the police and someone would've mentioned cancer which would trigger further investigation in to the autopsy.

As a Nurse...on a med/surg floor....I had MANY dealings with opiod addicts. My dealings with these people are one of the reasons I got out of the the medical field. A majority of these addicts, one would not be able to easily tell. They are/were highly intelligent and many are professionals...Lawyers/Accountants/Realtors, etc. As a Nurse.....you have to keep a constant eye on them and EVERYTHING they say and all of their moves. They are incredible at manipulating a situation to get more meds!!!! They even injure themselves to get more meds.

Having prefaced and established my credibility......

A couple of glaring things bothered me on what I've read that just don't jive.....

One thing I read is that a suitcase was found with loose pills....

Another thing is that there were various bottles of pills with lables on them such as a label for tylenol or something to that effect, yet the bottle was filled with narcotics.

These things don't jive with a typical opioid addict......An opioid addict is meticulous about their meds. They wouldn't leave a single loose pill in a suitcase or have various bottles of pills spread out.....If he had all these pills already; then why the visits to the pharmacy? Again, I want to point out that opioid addicts are METICULOUS about their meds.!

Another thing that bothers me is Prince's SEVERAL what I'll call antidrug references in SEVERAL of his songs. Have a hard time with Prince being a hypocrit in this way. Especially in light of his devotion to the Jehovah Witness style of Christianity. He gave up explicit sexual references and curse words for his faith.

What about his overdose resulting in unscheduled emergency landing the week before? That didn't trigger any red flags and investigations? This many people failed?

Now to my conspiracy theory which I hope doesn't sound too whacko or even discredit my above theories....

Prince had a contentious relationship with the record industry. He was breaking ground and innovating ways for artists to make more monies and the blood sucking recording industry making less....I'll leave that where it is......

The thing that bothers me also is in the past couple of years.....the odd deaths of other musicians at young ages.. The funny thing is....these musicians also had issues with record companies.

George Michael, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Tom Petty and there are others which escape my over 50 brain at this moment.

I can't put myself in the shoes of a famous musician. I can't say I understand the mindset or lifestyle. But I just don't understand the neglect and wanting to end it all when you have everything to live for? I also didn't mention...on the med./surg. floor I would sometimes get those who were recovering from attempting suicides. Part of my medical training was in the military. (USMC FMF HM for the verterans here) I saw many suicides and attempted suicides in the military. To be honest I never engaged any of those who attempted suicide in conversation. I was afraid of saying the wrongs things. I did let them know that I cared....

But these musicians that has recently committed suicide are just in entirely different situations then what I observed from suicide patients?

Greetings, not sure if your conspiracy theory is that Prince was murdered by the record label because of his past "contentious relationship " with said entities , or , that because opioid addicts are "meticulous with the meds" , that there is no way he could have been a part of his own death.

1. There is Prince, the public persona, Prince, the private persona and Prince ,the secretive enigma.

2. I am not sure when you have had some time to visit the homes of individuals addicted to opioids , but you cannot quantify all opioid addicts as having the same level of addiction, nor can you determine the behavioral trait of each specific addict that will be exhibited once the addiction modifies how a gene may behave in the brain. In order for you to even make such a statement you would have to have had a mapping of each genetic expression in each brain which is rather complex and unique.

3."Meticulous" about meds is merely a consequence of the function of an addicted brain and is a myopic attempt to breach what science has stated over and over again concerning regions of the brain that are affected.This is a mental disease as opposed to the social stigma attached to it.

4.Suicide, as a consequence of drug use, is not new, unique, or different from suicide related to depression, shame, guilt, or inherent behavioral traits that cannot be gauged by patterns you could readily identify.

5.There is empirical scientific studies/evidence to support that what you may have witnessed with suicides/attempted suicides in the military, does not necessarily correlate to any singular suicide/attempted suicide that may have taken place in a back alley.

6.As to your comment as to why a "red flag" wasn't triggered after the flight in Moline... I suspect that the assumption was that he took too much of a prescribed medication and that was the cause of the overdose as opposed to , Prince had illicit drugs that caused him to overdose.

7.If the investigation had proceeded in the direction of why Prince overdosed on illicit drugs, there was a chance that Prince would have been arrested for having illegal narcotics in his house if a warrant was granted to search Paisley Park. Even if they were not his , he would have to answer for it. This is important because even after the overdose , pills were still found (7) seven full days after the Moline incident . If you believe he was murdered, or that these drugs were planted ,that would mean that Prince had no knowledge of the opiates that were there, had no knowledge that opiates were placed in kirk's name for his consumption,and he had no knowledge of how he ingested opiates in Moline to cause the overdose in the first place. I could go on and on.

TrevorAyer said:

Petty has been open about his long term drug use ... nothing natural about his death ... drugs cause organ failure eventually ... in the new book engineers mention prince staying up for 3 days strait often burning thru engineers working in shifts ... way back in 84 ... sorry but that is drugs .. maybe not heroin or coke but the pharms are just as bad and easy to lie to ones self that they are safe and not real drugs even tho they are worse in some ways

could be but the people around in that era, almost to a person insist there was no drugs at the time. Susan rogers being the most knowledgable and notable. I think it could be done without drugs just doesn't sound very fun.

PeteSilas said:

Menes said:

morningsong said:

First I don't know if he had cancer or not, but how come it is automatically assumed that since he obviously didn't clear it with his fans he never sought anykind of treatment? He didn't like doctors? Well, there's a rumor going around he had some kind of surgery, I'm guessing he went to some type of doctor to get that done. Maybe if is serious enough he just might, maybe cross a doctor's threshold.

Cancer doesn't just magically go away just because you see a doctor or because you have treatment even in the early stages, it has a tendency in some cases to come back and even have the nerve to show up in other places in the body. That's why it's such a sob. Sneaky bastard.


And why must it be cancer? Everybody leaves this planet by a trillion different ways, and the list of things that'll medically go stage left on you is a mile or 2 long. The same 4 things keep recycling around here.

I think we're going to be surprised, maybe not but given the track record of things we think we've figured out my money's on surprised.

Yea , there would only be one shocker of a thing that would make me shut it down. Cancer , murder, suicide, none of those would shock me.

Maybe not shocking but something not even considered. At this point I don't see how it could be surprising but so far everytime we have gotten a itty bitty piece to the puzzle we find out it leads to a totally different scenerio. Remember we had him in the elevator either chewing on fentanyl patches or shooting up with a needle over a year ago. Now it's he had especially planned to procure these specific pills.

bonatoc said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Bonatoc: Everything you stated is quite plausible.

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I think the amount of Fentanyl that was in his system did not allow him to react.
He probably went very quickly, and that is a painful reality to accept; to think he went so tragically really saddens me.

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You are right about the control issue. If he wanted out of this life, he was gonna do it his way.

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But like Dr. Drew said, usually when people commit suicide, they just take a bunch of pills and go to bed.
It seems to me, that he stepped into the elevator, then took the pills, because that is where he was found.

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Prince putting his clothes on backwards could have also been a statement to a certain someone. We just don't know.

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When you think of the incredible life Prince had and all of his success, then he went out like this.....a Greek tragedy.

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Yes, and much more than that.
For many of us, it's a personal, intimate tragedy
and for me, still a source of mild, chronic depression for two years now.
Mild because as an adult I have coping mechanisms that help me deal with it,
but I can't imagine how brutal it still feels to someone as beautifully naive as, say, KCOOLMUZIQ.
For all the fun we made of his (her?) crazy posts, we understood the reasons.

We still suffer about our loss, not because he's gone, but because of lack of explanation.
So would the anonymous or close or medical or legal sources please stand up,
and give us at last the relief we need so badly?

Many of us really need to make peace with Prince's death.
The impact he had on our existence, the moments of grace we experienced, they amount to much more
than the sadness for the loss of a great artist. Many have said it felt like losing a family member.

We're like family members who lost a dear one in a plane disaster above the ocean.
No body left, no black box, nothing but a stupid urn, a museoleum, and ugly suspicions.

I need to know, whatever the truth is.
I want to keep nothing but the joy I feel when I hear Prince's music.
Cuz the lingering pain caused by incomprehension, this whirlwind that drags us down,
I wanna letitgo.

Thanks 2 God 4 the music we had when he was there,
and the music we got since he passed away.
It's been a good reminder that with love, there is no death.

Most of all I want to thank the Orgers that go deep into this shit,
warrants and sordid chemicals and all. I know I couldn't.

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To the bolded above: Very true!! I believe that by not having an explanation, it prolongs the grieving process. I'm still grieving the loss of my Mother, coming up on 4-years now. You come to terms with the loss, but you never really heal from it. You miss the one's you loved and lost. It never goes away. We will always love and miss Prince, but having his music helps us feel close to him.

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

PennyPurple said: Yes,Penny...I thought of that as well and wondered if that's what the test results were that Dr. S was bringing the day he died

The chefs said that he was having problems with his stomach and throat and they would make smoothies for him. That could be the beginning symptoms. My guess is he didn't even know and neither did his family and the autopsy told them. That's why other people may be saying there is more to the story.

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Yes, but going by what Tyka said about knowing Prince was dying, 3-years prior.

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That tells us that Prince was terminally-ill.

cloveringold85 said:

bonatoc said:

Yes, and much more than that.
For many of us, it's a personal, intimate tragedy
and for me, still a source of mild, chronic depression for two years now.
Mild because as an adult I have coping mechanisms that help me deal with it,
but I can't imagine how brutal it still feels to someone as beautifully naive as, say, KCOOLMUZIQ.
For all the fun we made of his (her?) crazy posts, we understood the reasons.

We still suffer about our loss, not because he's gone, but because of lack of explanation.
So would the anonymous or close or medical or legal sources please stand up,
and give us at last the relief we need so badly?

Many of us really need to make peace with Prince's death.
The impact he had on our existence, the moments of grace we experienced, they amount to much more
than the sadness for the loss of a great artist. Many have said it felt like losing a family member.

We're like family members who lost a dear one in a plane disaster above the ocean.
No body left, no black box, nothing but a stupid urn, a museoleum, and ugly suspicions.

I need to know, whatever the truth is.
I want to keep nothing but the joy I feel when I hear Prince's music.
Cuz the lingering pain caused by incomprehension, this whirlwind that drags us down,
I wanna letitgo.

Thanks 2 God 4 the music we had when he was there,
and the music we got since he passed away.
It's been a good reminder that with love, there is no death.

Most of all I want to thank the Orgers that go deep into this shit,
warrants and sordid chemicals and all. I know I couldn't.

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To the bolded above: Very true!! I believe that by not having an explanation, it prolongs the grieving process. I'm still grieving the loss of my Mother, coming up on 4-years now. You come to terms with the loss, but you never really heal from it. You miss the one's you loved and lost. It never goes away. We will always love and miss Prince, but having his music helps us feel close to him.

yup, loss is loss, even with answers, i still mourn my ma everyday and she died 11 years ago, i'm probably the only one who does and that's part of the reason I mourn.

msicfan said:

I'm going to chime in based on my experience as a Nurse. It has been over 20 years since I was a Nurse. I worked on a Med./Surg. floor and had many patients on Chemo., Radiation and am very familiar with various cancer treatments.........

Cancer more than likely would've showed up on the autopsy. Several were questioned by the police and someone would've mentioned cancer which would trigger further investigation in to the autopsy.

As a Nurse...on a med/surg floor....I had MANY dealings with opiod addicts. My dealings with these people are one of the reasons I got out of the the medical field. A majority of these addicts, one would not be able to easily tell. They are/were highly intelligent and many are professionals...Lawyers/Accountants/Realtors, etc. As a Nurse.....you have to keep a constant eye on them and EVERYTHING they say and all of their moves. They are incredible at manipulating a situation to get more meds!!!! They even injure themselves to get more meds.

Having prefaced and established my credibility......

A couple of glaring things bothered me on what I've read that just don't jive.....

One thing I read is that a suitcase was found with loose pills....

Another thing is that there were various bottles of pills with lables on them such as a label for tylenol or something to that effect, yet the bottle was filled with narcotics.

These things don't jive with a typical opioid addict......An opioid addict is meticulous about their meds. They wouldn't leave a single loose pill in a suitcase or have various bottles of pills spread out.....If he had all these pills already; then why the visits to the pharmacy? Again, I want to point out that opioid addicts are METICULOUS about their meds.!

Another thing that bothers me is Prince's SEVERAL what I'll call antidrug references in SEVERAL of his songs. Have a hard time with Prince being a hypocrit in this way. Especially in light of his devotion to the Jehovah Witness style of Christianity. He gave up explicit sexual references and curse words for his faith.

What about his overdose resulting in unscheduled emergency landing the week before? That didn't trigger any red flags and investigations? This many people failed?

Now to my conspiracy theory which I hope doesn't sound too whacko or even discredit my above theories....

Prince had a contentious relationship with the record industry. He was breaking ground and innovating ways for artists to make more monies and the blood sucking recording industry making less....I'll leave that where it is......

The thing that bothers me also is in the past couple of years.....the odd deaths of other musicians at young ages.. The funny thing is....these musicians also had issues with record companies.

George Michael, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Tom Petty and there are others which escape my over 50 brain at this moment.

I can't put myself in the shoes of a famous musician. I can't say I understand the mindset or lifestyle. But I just don't understand the neglect and wanting to end it all when you have everything to live for? I also didn't mention...on the med./surg. floor I would sometimes get those who were recovering from attempting suicides. Part of my medical training was in the military. (USMC FMF HM for the verterans here) I saw many suicides and attempted suicides in the military. To be honest I never engaged any of those who attempted suicide in conversation. I was afraid of saying the wrongs things. I did let them know that I cared....

But these musicians that has recently committed suicide are just in entirely different situations then what I observed from suicide patients?

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I totally agree with your post, and especially the bolded part. All of these questions have been racking our brains for almost 2-years now since Prince passed!!!!

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As you know, from your experience as a Nurse and dealing with someone who is suicidal, these patients are closely-monitored. They aren't allowed to just go back home and resume life as usual.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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To the bolded above: Very true!! I believe that by not having an explanation, it prolongs the grieving process. I'm still grieving the loss of my Mother, coming up on 4-years now. You come to terms with the loss, but you never really heal from it. You miss the one's you loved and lost. It never goes away. We will always love and miss Prince, but having his music helps us feel close to him.

yup, loss is loss, even with answers, i still mourn my ma everyday and she died 11 years ago, i'm probably the only one who does and that's part of the reason I mourn.

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No, you aren't the only one. I have a friend who is the same age as my late Mother would have been, and she still mourns her own Mother. The bond between a parent and child is forever.

Menes said:

msicfan said:

I'm going to chime in based on my experience as a Nurse. It has been over 20 years since I was a Nurse. I worked on a Med./Surg. floor and had many patients on Chemo., Radiation and am very familiar with various cancer treatments.........

Cancer more than likely would've showed up on the autopsy. Several were questioned by the police and someone would've mentioned cancer which would trigger further investigation in to the autopsy.

As a Nurse...on a med/surg floor....I had MANY dealings with opiod addicts. My dealings with these people are one of the reasons I got out of the the medical field. A majority of these addicts, one would not be able to easily tell. They are/were highly intelligent and many are professionals...Lawyers/Accountants/Realtors, etc. As a Nurse.....you have to keep a constant eye on them and EVERYTHING they say and all of their moves. They are incredible at manipulating a situation to get more meds!!!! They even injure themselves to get more meds.

Having prefaced and established my credibility......

A couple of glaring things bothered me on what I've read that just don't jive.....

One thing I read is that a suitcase was found with loose pills....

Another thing is that there were various bottles of pills with lables on them such as a label for tylenol or something to that effect, yet the bottle was filled with narcotics.

These things don't jive with a typical opioid addict......An opioid addict is meticulous about their meds. They wouldn't leave a single loose pill in a suitcase or have various bottles of pills spread out.....If he had all these pills already; then why the visits to the pharmacy? Again, I want to point out that opioid addicts are METICULOUS about their meds.!

Another thing that bothers me is Prince's SEVERAL what I'll call antidrug references in SEVERAL of his songs. Have a hard time with Prince being a hypocrit in this way. Especially in light of his devotion to the Jehovah Witness style of Christianity. He gave up explicit sexual references and curse words for his faith.

What about his overdose resulting in unscheduled emergency landing the week before? That didn't trigger any red flags and investigations? This many people failed?

Now to my conspiracy theory which I hope doesn't sound too whacko or even discredit my above theories....

Prince had a contentious relationship with the record industry. He was breaking ground and innovating ways for artists to make more monies and the blood sucking recording industry making less....I'll leave that where it is......

The thing that bothers me also is in the past couple of years.....the odd deaths of other musicians at young ages.. The funny thing is....these musicians also had issues with record companies.

George Michael, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Tom Petty and there are others which escape my over 50 brain at this moment.

I can't put myself in the shoes of a famous musician. I can't say I understand the mindset or lifestyle. But I just don't understand the neglect and wanting to end it all when you have everything to live for? I also didn't mention...on the med./surg. floor I would sometimes get those who were recovering from attempting suicides. Part of my medical training was in the military. (USMC FMF HM for the verterans here) I saw many suicides and attempted suicides in the military. To be honest I never engaged any of those who attempted suicide in conversation. I was afraid of saying the wrongs things. I did let them know that I cared....

But these musicians that has recently committed suicide are just in entirely different situations then what I observed from suicide patients?

Greetings, not sure if your conspiracy theory is that Prince was murdered by the record label because of his past "contentious relationship " with said entities , or , that because opioid addicts are "meticulous with the meds" , that there is no way he could have been a part of his own death.

1. There is Prince, the public persona, Prince, the private persona and Prince ,the secretive enigma.

2. I am not sure when you have had some time to visit the homes of individuals addicted to opioids , but you cannot quantify all opioid addicts as having the same level of addiction, nor can you determine the behavioral trait of each specific addict that will be exhibited once the addiction modifies how a gene may behave in the brain. In order for you to even make such a statement you would have to have had a mapping of each genetic expression in each brain which is rather complex and unique.

3."Meticulous" about meds is merely a consequence of the function of an addicted brain and is a myopic attempt to breach what science has stated over and over again concerning regions of the brain that are affected.This is a mental disease as opposed to the social stigma attached to it.

4.Suicide, as a consequence of drug use, is not new, unique, or different from suicide related to depression, shame, guilt, or inherent behavioral traits that cannot be gauged by patterns you could readily identify.

5.There is empirical scientific studies/evidence to support that what you may have witnessed with suicides/attempted suicides in the military, does not necessarily correlate to any singular suicide/attempted suicide that may have taken place in a back alley.

6.As to your comment as to why a "red flag" wasn't triggered after the flight in Moline... I suspect that the assumption was that he took too much of a prescribed medication and that was the cause of the overdose as opposed to , Prince had illicit drugs that caused him to overdose.

7.If the investigation had proceeded in the direction of why Prince overdosed on illicit drugs, there was a chance that Prince would have been arrested for having illegal narcotics in his house if a warrant was granted to search Paisley Park. Even if they were not his , he would have to answer for it. This is important because even after the overdose , pills were still found (7) seven full days after the Moline incident . If you believe he was murdered, or that these drugs were planted ,that would mean that Prince had no knowledge of the opiates that were there, had no knowledge that opiates were placed in kirk's name for his consumption,and he had no knowledge of how he ingested opiates in Moline to cause the overdose in the first place. I could go on and on.

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Menes: I have to say, your attention to details is remarkable! If you are not a private investigator, you should be!

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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To the bolded above: Very true!! I believe that by not having an explanation, it prolongs the grieving process. I'm still grieving the loss of my Mother, coming up on 4-years now. You come to terms with the loss, but you never really heal from it. You miss the one's you loved and lost. It never goes away. We will always love and miss Prince, but having his music helps us feel close to him.

yup, loss is loss, even with answers, i still mourn my ma everyday and she died 11 years ago, i'm probably the only one who does and that's part of the reason I mourn.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

yup, loss is loss, even with answers, i still mourn my ma everyday and she died 11 years ago, i'm probably the only one who does and that's part of the reason I mourn.

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No, you aren't the only one. I have a friend who is the same age as my late Mother would have been, and she still mourns her own Mother. The bond between a parent and child is forever.

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Greetings, not sure if your conspiracy theory is that Prince was murdered by the record label because of his past "contentious relationship " with said entities , or , that because opioid addicts are "meticulous with the meds" , that there is no way he could have been a part of his own death.

1. There is Prince, the public persona, Prince, the private persona and Prince ,the secretive enigma.

2. I am not sure when you have had some time to visit the homes of individuals addicted to opioids , but you cannot quantify all opioid addicts as having the same level of addiction, nor can you determine the behavioral trait of each specific addict that will be exhibited once the addiction modifies how a gene may behave in the brain. In order for you to even make such a statement you would have to have had a mapping of each genetic expression in each brain which is rather complex and unique.

3."Meticulous" about meds is merely a consequence of the function of an addicted brain and is a myopic attempt to breach what science has stated over and over again concerning regions of the brain that are affected.This is a mental disease as opposed to the social stigma attached to it.

4.Suicide, as a consequence of drug use, is not new, unique, or different from suicide related to depression, shame, guilt, or inherent behavioral traits that cannot be gauged by patterns you could readily identify.

5.There is empirical scientific studies/evidence to support that what you may have witnessed with suicides/attempted suicides in the military, does not necessarily correlate to any singular suicide/attempted suicide that may have taken place in a back alley.

6.As to your comment as to why a "red flag" wasn't triggered after the flight in Moline... I suspect that the assumption was that he took too much of a prescribed medication and that was the cause of the overdose as opposed to , Prince had illicit drugs that caused him to overdose.

7.If the investigation had proceeded in the direction of why Prince overdosed on illicit drugs, there was a chance that Prince would have been arrested for having illegal narcotics in his house if a warrant was granted to search Paisley Park. Even if they were not his , he would have to answer for it. This is important because even after the overdose , pills were still found (7) seven full days after the Moline incident . If you believe he was murdered, or that these drugs were planted ,that would mean that Prince had no knowledge of the opiates that were there, had no knowledge that opiates were placed in kirk's name for his consumption,and he had no knowledge of how he ingested opiates in Moline to cause the overdose in the first place. I could go on and on.

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Menes: I have to say, your attention to details is remarkable! If you are not a private investigator, you should be!

Co-sign- and from what Menes posted before taking a well needed haiatus a few weeks ago, Menes has done some serious analyzing/charting. I would love to see his/her investigative findings..

TrevorAyer said:

Petty has been open about his long term drug use ... nothing natural about his death ... drugs cause organ failure eventually ... in the new book engineers mention prince staying up for 3 days strait often burning thru engineers working in shifts ... way back in 84 ... sorry but that is drugs .. maybe not heroin or coke but the pharms are just as bad and easy to lie to ones self that they are safe and not real drugs even tho they are worse in some ways

Yes, all 4 artists mentioned above has had addiction issues, but George and Tom, didn't die of unnatural causes. Their past drug abuse might not have helped their health, but they didn't die of od's or anything of the like.

precioux said:

PeteSilas said:

yup, loss is loss, even with answers, i still mourn my ma everyday and she died 11 years ago, i'm probably the only one who does and that's part of the reason I mourn.

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precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Menes: I have to say, your attention to details is remarkable! If you are not a private investigator, you should be!

Co-sign- and from what Menes posted before taking a well needed haiatus a few weeks ago, Menes has done some serious analyzing/charting. I would love to see his/her investigative findings..

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I agree! Very impressive work, I must say!! My husband is very detailed and I always joke with him and say "you missed your calling".