cloveringold85 said:

bonatoc said:

Oh my. What the hell are you blabbering about. We've never been so informed.

You said "there is too much going on". That's precisely the result of massive, non-stop information.
You seem to find solace in thinking your government is after you. Well, if it helps...

Except the clown you have for POTUS is actually under investigation,
except we found out about Russia and FB,
except we know about Panama and Paradise Papers...
These are very important things.
Journalists get killed for it, as environmental activists, this is no secret at all.

The world seems like a mess precisely because we know so much nowadays. A secret is never kept for long.
Someone always ends up talking. And there are plenty of platforms to talk on.

As for chemtrails, I feel sorry for you. But I know, now we know about everything that makes the world chaotic,
it feels more comfortable to have an invisible enemy to put the blame to.
Oh wait, I just described paranoia.

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Not true! The media distorts the truth all the time! We are living in the age of misinformation and disinformation. The media is run by the U.S. Government, which tells LIES all the time! They make mistakes all the time and give FAKE NEWS. Just ask Donald.

Clover, I pray to God that your kidding! peace ~~ Debbie

bonatoc said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Not true! The media distorts the truth all the time! We are living in the age of misinformation and disinformation.
The media is run by the U.S. Government, which tells LIES all the time!
They make mistakes all the time and give FAKE NEWS. Just ask Donald.

I suggest a rapid subscription to The Guardian.
Or Axios. Or the BBC, Politico, The Atlantic, The Washington Post...
Keeping on being misinformed in this age and era is your fault, not the "media".
Proper ethical journalism is just a click away. You have left-wing and right-wing suggestions above, if flavour matters to you.

Ask Donald? Surely you meant the duck.
This way of referencing Trump by his first name is highly suspicious,
and does not bode well of your capacity to separate right from wrong. Or true from false.
Unless you were joking. Unfortunately, Donald doesn't make me laugh anymore.

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Unfortunately what his happening now in the US is without regulations (yes I used the word regulation) the media companies are all consolidating, WITH FCC blessing under DT leadershiop ...hence with few exceptions you're now starting to get one view. Don't be fooled. The view they want you to see and hear. So it leaves the rest of us to sort out the noise.... meaningful professional journalist trying to do a good job however have only online presence to do so. How do we pick them and judge them let alone believe them. Talk about a consspiricy? We have one, and how!

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One quick other point on Fluoride (i have no knowledge about Monsanto) but I'm of the generation where our parents had cavities and lost thier teeth by meddle age. Fluoride in the water beginning in the late 40's early 50's.... well I have only about 3 fillings and my children in their mid 30's have zero fillings. I gave them vitamins with fluoride as children because I had well water. Don't discount fluoride. Sorry I had to comment on that.

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kind regards, ~~DD55

bonatoc said:

PeteSilas said:

no, he's his own man, some people don't want to say anything positive whatsoever about him but if he didn't have any positive qualities, he wouldn't be where he is now. not just anyone could pull that off, fluke that it is. Anyway, i'm just making a point, I don't much like labels and I think it's lazy just to call someone a name, argue your point, work to get your point across instead of "oh, he's crazy".

I can't help you there. Seems like you got your head stuck in the sand.
Listen, I know it's kind of frightening having a sociopath running the most potent military in the world, but that's how fucked we are.
"Positive qualities" my ass. There is nothing lazy about the thousands of medical professionals that have observed Trump
and came to this terrible conclusion. You have a dangerous nutcase in the White House.
You'd better give the link I pasted a serious read.

i looked at it, i don't think you realize it but every president of the last 20 years or so has had people call them "narcissist", "sociopath" "sexual deviant" etc..,by either armchair shrinks or even real shrinks, that's my point, just labelling someone because you don't like them, because they rub you the wrong way, because you're jealous or envious of them (a big one) or just because they see things different than you, you tune me out. Is trump dangerous? well, i'll say this, for the first time, we have someone who is reacting about as immaturely as the third world leaders do right back to them, that looks dangerous but if you think the people in dc are going to let him really do anything, even the stupid idea of the wall, you're as delusional as he is. Politics helped create him too because the people of the us are tired of hearing bullshit all the time. If trump were as dangerous as people want to believe they'd kill him i'm sure. right now, i'd call a lot of what he does nothing more than shittalking which is unusual for his office but I really don't even think he believes a lot of the shit he says. It's amusing though watching all the entitled white liberals who didn't get their way whine about it, hopefully they'll learn sometime this lifetime that not everything goes your way.

some conspiracists think fluoride is a dangerous (like trump bona) drug, closes the pineal gland and everything. we got conspiracies for everything. I looked into that one too, I read that the pineal gland calcifies in all animals, it's some sort of vestigal part of the brain, not something we need. but the conspiracists think fluoride keeps us blind and dumbed down.

DD55 said:

bonatoc said:

I suggest a rapid subscription to The Guardian.
Or Axios. Or the BBC, Politico, The Atlantic, The Washington Post...
Keeping on being misinformed in this age and era is your fault, not the "media".
Proper ethical journalism is just a click away. You have left-wing and right-wing suggestions above, if flavour matters to you.

Ask Donald? Surely you meant the duck.
This way of referencing Trump by his first name is highly suspicious,
and does not bode well of your capacity to separate right from wrong. Or true from false.
Unless you were joking. Unfortunately, Donald doesn't make me laugh anymore.

[Edited 1/3/18 16:10pm]

Unfortunately what his happening now in the US is without regulations (yes I used the word regulation) the media companies are all consolidating, WITH FCC blessing under DT leadershiop ...hence with few exceptions you're now starting to get one view. Don't be fooled. The view they want you to see and hear. So it leaves the rest of us to sort out the noise.... meaningful professional journalist trying to do a good job however have only online presence to do so. How do we pick them and judge them let alone believe them. Talk about a consspiricy? We have one, and how!

.

One quick other point on Fluoride (i have no knowledge about Monsanto) but I'm of the generation where our parents had cavities and lost thier teeth by meddle age. Fluoride in the water beginning in the late 40's early 50's.... well I have only about 3 fillings and my children in their mid 30's have zero fillings. I gave them vitamins with fluoride as children because I had well water. Don't discount fluoride. Sorry I had to comment on that.

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kind regards, ~~DD55

PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

i looked at it, i don't think you realize it but every president of the last 20 years or so has had people call them "narcissist", "sociopath" "sexual deviant" etc..,by either armchair shrinks or even real shrinks, that's my point, just labelling someone because you don't like them, because they rub you the wrong way, because you're jealous or envious of them (a big one) or just because they see things different than you, you tune me out. Is trump dangerous? well, i'll say this, for the first time, we have someone who is reacting about as immaturely as the third world leaders do right back to them, that looks dangerous but if you think the people in dc are going to let him really do anything, even the stupid idea of the wall, you're as delusional as he is. Politics helped create him too because the people of the us are tired of hearing bullshit all the time. If trump were as dangerous as people want to believe they'd kill him i'm sure. right now, i'd call a lot of what he does nothing more than shittalking which is unusual for his office but I really don't even think he believes a lot of the shit he says. It's amusing though watching all the entitled white liberals who didn't get their way whine about it, hopefully they'll learn sometime this lifetime that not everything goes your way.

Pete that ^^ is the crux as to why some aren’t as afraid, the entitled ones grimacing at how bad it all is with him is just their entitled view of it all. This is their first go with “bad”. For others not so much, so some of us are like what’s the big deal, it has been worse than this, but it didn’t touch there entitled reality prior.

that's what i've been saying in a nutshell, and bottom line is, he ain't after them and i don't believe they give a fuck about the rest of us enough to have that be the reason they hate him.

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PeteSilas said:

bonatoc said:

I can't help you there. Seems like you got your head stuck in the sand.
Listen, I know it's kind of frightening having a sociopath running the most potent military in the world, but that's how fucked we are.
"Positive qualities" my ass. There is nothing lazy about the thousands of medical professionals that have observed Trump
and came to this terrible conclusion. You have a dangerous nutcase in the White House.
You'd better give the link I pasted a serious read.

i looked at it, i don't think you realize it but every president of the last 20 years or so has had people call them "narcissist", "sociopath" "sexual deviant" etc..,by either armchair shrinks or even real shrinks, that's my point, just labelling someone because you don't like them, because they rub you the wrong way, because you're jealous or envious of them (a big one) or just because they see things different than you, you tune me out. Is trump dangerous? well, i'll say this, for the first time, we have someone who is reacting about as immaturely as the third world leaders do right back to them, that looks dangerous but if you think the people in dc are going to let him really do anything, even the stupid idea of the wall, you're as delusional as he is. Politics helped create him too because the people of the us are tired of hearing bullshit all the time. If trump were as dangerous as people want to believe they'd kill him i'm sure. right now, i'd call a lot of what he does nothing more than shittalking which is unusual for his office but I really don't even think he believes a lot of the shit he says. It's amusing though watching all the entitled white liberals who didn't get their way whine about it, hopefully they'll learn sometime this lifetime that not everything goes your way.

Omg, you DIDN'T just go there and say that. You lost every bit of credibility by making that remark Pete. How ignorant to say that all the shit with Trump is about everything going your way. I don't give a shit about anything going my way, I do care though when the agenda is set on rolling back everything the black man did. Taking things away from the hard-working middle class and giving the fucking rich even more of a free pass than they already have. You've got no fucking idea of how serious this situation is with this moron at the helm. Wtf.

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stop making me laugh while i eat crackers i almost choked.

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

i looked at it, i don't think you realize it but every president of the last 20 years or so has had people call them "narcissist", "sociopath" "sexual deviant" etc..,by either armchair shrinks or even real shrinks, that's my point, just labelling someone because you don't like them, because they rub you the wrong way, because you're jealous or envious of them (a big one) or just because they see things different than you, you tune me out. Is trump dangerous? well, i'll say this, for the first time, we have someone who is reacting about as immaturely as the third world leaders do right back to them, that looks dangerous but if you think the people in dc are going to let him really do anything, even the stupid idea of the wall, you're as delusional as he is. Politics helped create him too because the people of the us are tired of hearing bullshit all the time. If trump were as dangerous as people want to believe they'd kill him i'm sure. right now, i'd call a lot of what he does nothing more than shittalking which is unusual for his office but I really don't even think he believes a lot of the shit he says. It's amusing though watching all the entitled white liberals who didn't get their way whine about it, hopefully they'll learn sometime this lifetime that not everything goes your way.

Omg, you DIDN'T just go there and say that. You lost every bit of credibility by making that remark Pete. How ignorant to say that all the shit with Trump is about everything going your way. I don't give a shit about anything going my way, I do care though when the agenda is set on rolling back everything the black man did. Taking things away from the hard-working middle class and giving the fucking rich even more of a free pass than they already have. You've got no fucking idea of how serious this situation is with this moron at the helm. Wtf.

[Edited 1/5/18 19:49pm]

Mumio said:

purplefam99 said:

Mumio said:

Omg, you DIDN'T just go there and say that. You lost every bit of credibility by making that remark Pete. How ignorant to say that all the shit with Trump is about everything going your way. I don't give a shit about anything going my way, I do care though when the agenda is set on rolling back everything the black man did. Taking things away from the hard-working middle class and giving the fucking rich even more of a free pass than they already have. You've got no fucking idea of how serious this situation is with this moron at the helm. Wtf.

[Edited 1/5/18 19:49pm]

I could be wrong but I think he is saying that people who are upset the most and are now “crying whining complaining “ ( even if justly) are now doing so cause they feel it now. But before they were the ones looking at everyone else “ crying Whining and complaining” (again justly) and thinking “ you guys it isn’t that bad”

I mean both, I like how they aren't getting their way and i like how they are reacting to it, like little brats even though Trump is not going to hurt them one bit. they didn't get their way, learn what the rest of us learned by the time we were five. It's the rest of us who always have to deal with the bullshit and we're told to shutup about it. well, now, they need to shuttup about trump, he's in there, good luck next election. god, i wish i never even brought the dude up.

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I do not like the use of the word "paranoia" to describe Prince because I believe it is an inaccurate description. The words "paranoia" and "paranoid" have connotations of psychiatric illness like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.

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I have an uncle, my father's older brother, who has paranoid schizophrenia. Paranoid schizophrenia is a serious psychiatric disease that has severely affected my uncle's quality of life. My uncle takes medication for his paranoid schizophrenia, and his paranoid schizophrenia is so severe that if he were to be unmedicated, he would have to live in a state psychiatric hospital 24/7/365 because he can exhibit very violent behavior when unmedicated.

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I think that a word or phrase like "unreasonable fear" or "excessively fearful" or "distrustful" would be a better descriptor of Prince than "paranoid." While Prince may have been in serious pain and suffering from an addiction to painkillers during the last months of his life, he was still touring, and by most accounts, presented as mentally sharp and musically brilliant up until his death.

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When I google the word "paranoia" I receive the following definition:

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i think most of us know that Paranoid doesn't necessarily mean violent, schizophrenic or mentally disabled. a lot of people are paranoid, it's a part of our culture really. a country based on slavery and genocide is bound to leave a lot of paranoia in it's wake. It's hardly rare and it isn't close to being limited to just psychotics.

206Michelle said:

I do not like the use of the word "paranoia" to describe Prince because I believe it is an inaccurate description. The words "paranoia" and "paranoid" have connotations of psychiatric illness like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.

.

I have an uncle, my father's older brother, who has paranoid schizophrenia. Paranoid schizophrenia is a serious psychiatric disease that has severely affected my uncle's quality of life. My uncle takes medication for his paranoid schizophrenia, and his paranoid schizophrenia is so severe that if he were to be unmedicated, he would have to live in a state psychiatric hospital 24/7/365 because he can exhibit very violent behavior when unmedicated.

.

I think that a word or phrase like "unreasonable fear" or "excessively fearful" or "distrustful" would be a better descriptor of Prince than "paranoid." While Prince may have been in serious pain and suffering from an addiction to painkillers during the last months of his life, he was still touring, and by most accounts, presented as mentally sharp and musically brilliant up until his death.

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When I google the word "paranoia" I receive the following definition:

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• a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.

• suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.

  "the global paranoia about hackers and viruses"

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It is also important to remember that Prince had serious attachment/abandonment/trust issues due to instability during his childhood, parental abandonment, and experiencing physical abuse as a child (e.g., the song "Papa"). Furthermore, his only child died as an infant due to complications from Pfeiffer Syndrome Type 2. While Prince had the money to receive top-notch therapy/treatment to help him address these attachment/abandonment/trust issues, the loss of his son, difficulties with his marriages, and other challenges, he generally chose not to seek professional help for these challenges. In spite of the trauma he experienced and challenges he faced, he built a legacy as one of the greatest musicians to ever walk the face of the earth. He had millions of fans.

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He may have had some odd or irrational fears, as many people do, and he certainly had some excentricities, but I don't think he was paranoid.

[Edited 1/5/18 23:26pm]

206Michelle said:

I do not like the use of the word "paranoia" to describe Prince because I believe it is an inaccurate description. The words "paranoia" and "paranoid" have connotations of psychiatric illness like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.

.

I have an uncle, my father's older brother, who has paranoid schizophrenia. Paranoid schizophrenia is a serious psychiatric disease that has severely affected my uncle's quality of life. My uncle takes medication for his paranoid schizophrenia, and his paranoid schizophrenia is so severe that if he were to be unmedicated, he would have to live in a state psychiatric hospital 24/7/365 because he can exhibit very violent behavior when unmedicated.

.

I think that a word or phrase like "unreasonable fear" or "excessively fearful" or "distrustful" would be a better descriptor of Prince than "paranoid." While Prince may have been in serious pain and suffering from an addiction to painkillers during the last months of his life, he was still touring, and by most accounts, presented as mentally sharp and musically brilliant up until his death.

.

When I google the word "paranoia" I receive the following definition:

.

• a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.

• suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.

  "the global paranoia about hackers and viruses"

.

It is also important to remember that Prince had serious attachment/abandonment/trust issues due to instability during his childhood, parental abandonment, and experiencing physical abuse as a child (e.g., the song "Papa"). Furthermore, his only child died as an infant due to complications from Pfeiffer Syndrome Type 2. While Prince had the money to receive top-notch therapy/treatment to help him address these attachment/abandonment/trust issues, the loss of his son, difficulties with his marriages, and other challenges, he generally chose not to seek professional help for these challenges. In spite of the trauma he experienced and challenges he faced, he built a legacy as one of the greatest musicians to ever walk the face of the earth. He had millions of fans.

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He may have had some odd or irrational fears, as many people do, and he certainly had some excentricities, but I don't think he was paranoid.

[Edited 1/5/18 23:26pm]

I agree with you about the paranoid label. Unfortunately, people always believe if they label something, they understand it.

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

i looked at it, i don't think you realize it but every president of the last 20 years or so has had people call them "narcissist", "sociopath" "sexual deviant" etc..,by either armchair shrinks or even real shrinks, that's my point, just labelling someone because you don't like them, because they rub you the wrong way, because you're jealous or envious of them (a big one) or just because they see things different than you, you tune me out. Is trump dangerous? well, i'll say this, for the first time, we have someone who is reacting about as immaturely as the third world leaders do right back to them, that looks dangerous but if you think the people in dc are going to let him really do anything, even the stupid idea of the wall, you're as delusional as he is. Politics helped create him too because the people of the us are tired of hearing bullshit all the time. If trump were as dangerous as people want to believe they'd kill him i'm sure. right now, i'd call a lot of what he does nothing more than shittalking which is unusual for his office but I really don't even think he believes a lot of the shit he says. It's amusing though watching all the entitled white liberals who didn't get their way whine about it, hopefully they'll learn sometime this lifetime that not everything goes your way.

Omg, you DIDN'T just go there and say that. You lost every bit of credibility by making that remark Pete. How ignorant to say that all the shit with Trump is about everything going your way. I don't give a shit about anything going my way, I do care though when the agenda is set on rolling back everything the black man did. Taking things away from the hard-working middle class and giving the fucking rich even more of a free pass than they already have. You've got no fucking idea of how serious this situation is with this moron at the helm. Wtf.

[Edited 1/5/18 19:49pm]

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The way people excuse Trump's disgusting behavior is astounding, to me! It has nothing to do with being jealous. Jealous of a sociopath? Huh?

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If you think this man is setting a good example for our children and the world, think again!.

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I think he is Lucifer, himself!!

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[Edited 1/6/18 11:57am]

206Michelle said:

I do not like the use of the word "paranoia" to describe Prince because I believe it is an inaccurate description. The words "paranoia" and "paranoid" have connotations of psychiatric illness like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.

.

I have an uncle, my father's older brother, who has paranoid schizophrenia. Paranoid schizophrenia is a serious psychiatric disease that has severely affected my uncle's quality of life. My uncle takes medication for his paranoid schizophrenia, and his paranoid schizophrenia is so severe that if he were to be unmedicated, he would have to live in a state psychiatric hospital 24/7/365 because he can exhibit very violent behavior when unmedicated.

.

I think that a word or phrase like "unreasonable fear" or "excessively fearful" or "distrustful" would be a better descriptor of Prince than "paranoid." While Prince may have been in serious pain and suffering from an addiction to painkillers during the last months of his life, he was still touring, and by most accounts, presented as mentally sharp and musically brilliant up until his death.

.

When I google the word "paranoia" I receive the following definition:

.

• a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.

• suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.

  "the global paranoia about hackers and viruses"

.

It is also important to remember that Prince had serious attachment/abandonment/trust issues due to instability during his childhood, parental abandonment, and experiencing physical abuse as a child (e.g., the song "Papa"). Furthermore, his only child died as an infant due to complications from Pfeiffer Syndrome Type 2. While Prince had the money to receive top-notch therapy/treatment to help him address these attachment/abandonment/trust issues, the loss of his son, difficulties with his marriages, and other challenges, he generally chose not to seek professional help for these challenges. In spite of the trauma he experienced and challenges he faced, he built a legacy as one of the greatest musicians to ever walk the face of the earth. He had millions of fans.

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He may have had some odd or irrational fears, as many people do, and he certainly had some excentricities, but I don't think he was paranoid.

[Edited 1/5/18 23:26pm]

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cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Omg, you DIDN'T just go there and say that. You lost every bit of credibility by making that remark Pete. How ignorant to say that all the shit with Trump is about everything going your way. I don't give a shit about anything going my way, I do care though when the agenda is set on rolling back everything the black man did. Taking things away from the hard-working middle class and giving the fucking rich even more of a free pass than they already have. You've got no fucking idea of how serious this situation is with this moron at the helm. Wtf.

[Edited 1/5/18 19:49pm]

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The way people excuse Trump's disgusting behavior is astounding, to me! It has nothing to do with being jealous. Jealous of a sociopath? Huh?

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If you think this man is setting a good example for our children and the world, think again!.

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I think he is Lucifer, himself!!

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[Edited 1/6/18 11:57am]

when i say jealous or envious, i'm just telling you what i've seen a lot with other Presidents. Especially obama, a lot of people, white and black had issues with him just out of jealousy. Cornel West and a lot of black people just looked jealous of the man and Trump was too, he was doing things like trying to prove he wasn't american and all this shit. It's largely a man thing I think, it's an alpha male thing, any president has to deal with it, I remember Tony Brown saying he thought clinton was a sociopath and sexual deviant and all this shit, but with experience, when people start talking like that, i start wondering if they just want that seat for themselves. Trump sure wanted obama's seat for himself. My point is, people go off emotion so much and not logic, people use catchwords like "narcissist" or "socialist" like the white guys who hated Obama just because he was black and powerful. Bush Jr. of course was rightly called not too bright a lot. The term "sociopath" is an empty term for anyone in any govt..., governments are sociopathic by design. You can't operate well as a government and not kill, silence, imprison and invade. Maybe we'll evolve past that and maybe we won't.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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The way people excuse Trump's disgusting behavior is astounding, to me! It has nothing to do with being jealous. Jealous of a sociopath? Huh?

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If you think this man is setting a good example for our children and the world, think again!.

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I think he is Lucifer, himself!!

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[Edited 1/6/18 11:57am]

when i say jealous or envious, i'm just telling you what i've seen a lot with other Presidents. Especially obama, a lot of people, white and black had issues with him just out of jealousy. Cornel West and a lot of black people just looked jealous of the man and Trump was too, he was doing things like trying to prove he wasn't american and all this shit. It's largely a man thing I think, it's an alpha male thing, any president has to deal with it, I remember Tony Brown saying he thought clinton was a sociopath and sexual deviant and all this shit, but with experience, when people start talking like that, i start wondering if they just want that seat for themselves. Trump sure wanted obama's seat for himself. My point is, people go off emotion so much and not logic, people use catchwords like "narcissist" or "socialist" like the white guys who hated Obama just because he was black and powerful. Bush Jr. of course was rightly called not too bright a lot. The term "sociopath" is an empty term for anyone in any govt..., governments are sociopathic by design. You can't operate well as a government and not kill, silence, imprison and invade. Maybe we'll evolve past that and maybe we won't.

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I'm not a jealous person, and I'm certainly not jealous of Trump. I just don't like him as President, that's all and I don't think he's a nice person. I do think it is a Male thing, like you said.

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I have no problem with having a white, black, asian, latino President, as long as they do right by the american people, are kind and respectful. Respect is earned, not given.

did i say you were jealous? no, i said some people were and are of anyone in power. I think i'll stop replying to trump, i shoulda never brought him up because people get so fired up by the dude.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

when i say jealous or envious, i'm just telling you what i've seen a lot with other Presidents. Especially obama, a lot of people, white and black had issues with him just out of jealousy. Cornel West and a lot of black people just looked jealous of the man and Trump was too, he was doing things like trying to prove he wasn't american and all this shit. It's largely a man thing I think, it's an alpha male thing, any president has to deal with it, I remember Tony Brown saying he thought clinton was a sociopath and sexual deviant and all this shit, but with experience, when people start talking like that, i start wondering if they just want that seat for themselves. Trump sure wanted obama's seat for himself. My point is, people go off emotion so much and not logic, people use catchwords like "narcissist" or "socialist" like the white guys who hated Obama just because he was black and powerful. Bush Jr. of course was rightly called not too bright a lot. The term "sociopath" is an empty term for anyone in any govt..., governments are sociopathic by design. You can't operate well as a government and not kill, silence, imprison and invade. Maybe we'll evolve past that and maybe we won't.

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I'm not a jealous person, and I'm certainly not jealous of Trump. I just don't like him as President, that's all and I don't think he's a nice person. I do think it is a Male thing, like you said.

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I have no problem with having a white, black, asian, latino President, as long as they do right by the american people, are kind and respectful. Respect is earned, not given.

PeteSilas said:

did i say you were jealous? no, i said some people were and are of anyone in power. I think i'll stop replying to trump, i shoulda never brought him up because people get so fired up by the dude.

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm not a jealous person, and I'm certainly not jealous of Trump. I just don't like him as President, that's all and I don't think he's a nice person. I do think it is a Male thing, like you said.

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I have no problem with having a white, black, asian, latino President, as long as they do right by the american people, are kind and respectful. Respect is earned, not given.

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It's okay, really. I'm not upset at all. I was just saying that I'm not the jealous type. I apologize if I sounded like I was being argumentative.

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Let's keep Trump over in the politics section. They're having a field day over there.

For those who don't believe the cloud seeding thing...

It's going on right now. In the San Fernando Valley. Currently above Woodland Hills, CA... tons of passes and spray.



We just had about 3 days of rain. I believe they're trying to extend it

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2045RadicalMattZ said:

For those who don't believe the cloud seeding thing...

It's going on right now. In the San Fernando Valley. Currently above Woodland Hills, CA... tons of passes and spray.



We just had about 3 days of rain. I believe they're trying to extend it

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Cloud seeding for rain is not what the conspiracy is supposed to be. The conspiracy is that in a clear sky, easily visible planes piloted by secret agents under orders of a secret organization are dosing people with secret unknown chemicals through trails of vapour that stay suspended, CHEMTRAILS, to create illness or mind control of some sort, nevermind that it's a physically impossible way to administer any kind of toxin through the sheer physics of air volume, air flow, and distance... and that everyone lives on the surface including the supposed conspirators. It's like trying to pee on someone diving at the bottom of an ocean while you are swimming back and forth up top. It's just not going to work past a few random molecules... if even that. In fact, you would be getting more of it yourself than your intended targets. The proper way would be to sneak it into air conditioners, or drinking water, or toothpaste.

I think it's a (maybe cute and very human) sign of the uneducated when there is a fervid belief in this all powerful unknown controlling force. It's not unlike Mayans believing in the sun as a god that had judgment on them that they could appease through sacrifice, or that Donald Trump is a godsend who will make America great again (when it fact it is at its greatest ever already if you are knowledgable about history and society.) no matter how he backtracks, lies about stupid things like crowd size or how smart he is, golfs, or belies his true handicapped mentality through his own tweets.

Also nevermind that the trails behind planes are simply white water vapor like suspended frozen steam (like breath on a cold day), called CONTRAILS, and can be recreated in laboratories as one aquaintance of mine (a scientist) who studied them and jet engines at the University of Michigan did. He did not work for the government, or pharmaceutical industry, or aliens, was simply doing a postdoc (that's beyond PHD) and he laughed and said there was no such thing as CHEMTRAILS as the conspiracy paints it.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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The way people excuse Trump's disgusting behavior is astounding, to me! It has nothing to do with being jealous. Jealous of a sociopath? Huh?

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If you think this man is setting a good example for our children and the world, think again!.

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I think he is Lucifer, himself!!

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when i say jealous or envious, i'm just telling you what i've seen a lot with other Presidents. Especially obama, a lot of people, white and black had issues with him just out of jealousy. Cornel West and a lot of black people just looked jealous of the man and Trump was too, he was doing things like trying to prove he wasn't american and all this shit. It's largely a man thing I think, it's an alpha male thing, any president has to deal with it, I remember Tony Brown saying he thought clinton was a sociopath and sexual deviant and all this shit, but with experience, when people start talking like that, i start wondering if they just want that seat for themselves. Trump sure wanted obama's seat for himself. My point is, people go off emotion so much and not logic, people use catchwords like "narcissist" or "socialist" like the white guys who hated Obama just because he was black and powerful. Bush Jr. of course was rightly called not too bright a lot.

The term "sociopath" is an empty term for anyone in any govt..., governments are sociopathic by design.
You can't operate well as a government and not kill, silence, imprison and invade.

Maybe we'll evolve past that and maybe we won't.

That's right.
One of the first economies of the world is all ridden with mass murders.
At the very heart of our continent lies a country of unbelievable savagery. And they speak three languages! A sure sign of their devilishness.
We're filled with misogynistic sickos.
We stand terrified by Russia, and the media are more than complacent for fear of repression.
We're slaves hypnotized by the Silicon Valley minions.
We're powerless, at the mercy of the pharmaceutic industry.
We are slaves to the Oil corporations and their mobs.

Oh wait. That's your country.

"Seat for myself" mon cul.
Give me a call when you bring back civilization to your land, my friend.
Not to mention a sound adult in charge of it.

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Strive said:

coldasice said:

Strive said:

It crossed the line for me in that deleted Ebony(?) interview where he talked about a former employee's life mission was to steal from the vault and release all his music. Conspiracy and thinking a different way isn't that strange. Having a jumbled train of thought and rambling about how people are after you is a whole nother thang.

Come on now that wasn’t paranoia that was most likely meds. He sounded crazy as fuck. I read it before it was retracted and felt so bad for him. I like to think he didn’t remember much of it saw it and had it pulled. It’s funny that you bring that up, looking back...that was the first sign of what was to come.

not how I read that at all, although you could be right. I just thought it was him being honest and open for once, he even said that, "that's why I never fire back" It was like he was doing just that just this once and he still had the class to have it pulled. He didn't sound crazy to me and the references to his being killed, sound to me like a rhetorical thing as in "i could kill you" not a literal thing although maybe he did mean it. I seriously doubt susan rogers would be someone to strike fear in the heart of one of the bravest musicians of modern times. Other people did quote him as saying that though, Morris Hayes said that Prince told him if they found him in a river which person to look for, and Michael Bland and Sonny T I believe said similar things going back to the 90's. so, if it was paranoia, it wasn't merely drug induced he had it for about 25 years, that is if that's what it was. Funny thing, famous men, powerful men often have serious paranoia, sometimes with good reason, a dictator like Mao or Stalin obviously had people who didn't wish them well, Malcolm X was paranoid, Michael Jackson said some crazy shit, Bruce Lee was tormented by paranoia in his last days. I really think that kind of fame or notoriety shortcircuits the brains of some men and they take all the attention and eyes focussed on them and see malevolent intent in them.

this country is violent, was born in violence, it's in this countries dna and I don't think it'll last much longer. However, plenty of other govts operate the same way. Sherman Alexie called governments the biggest serial killers ever, he's right. It's not the common folk who are aching to go fight a govt's wars but that's what we do if they tell us. it isn't just govts though, it's us, we are a violent species. Just look at the things people do when there aren't the civil restraints on them that a peaceful society pretends to have. Problem is, for whatever reason, good, common people still let these assholes run shit.

bonatoc said:

PeteSilas said:

when i say jealous or envious, i'm just telling you what i've seen a lot with other Presidents. Especially obama, a lot of people, white and black had issues with him just out of jealousy. Cornel West and a lot of black people just looked jealous of the man and Trump was too, he was doing things like trying to prove he wasn't american and all this shit. It's largely a man thing I think, it's an alpha male thing, any president has to deal with it, I remember Tony Brown saying he thought clinton was a sociopath and sexual deviant and all this shit, but with experience, when people start talking like that, i start wondering if they just want that seat for themselves. Trump sure wanted obama's seat for himself. My point is, people go off emotion so much and not logic, people use catchwords like "narcissist" or "socialist" like the white guys who hated Obama just because he was black and powerful. Bush Jr. of course was rightly called not too bright a lot.

The term "sociopath" is an empty term for anyone in any govt..., governments are sociopathic by design.
You can't operate well as a government and not kill, silence, imprison and invade.

Maybe we'll evolve past that and maybe we won't.

That's right.
One of the first economies of the world is all ridden with mass murders.
At the very heart of our continent lies a country of unbelievable savagery. And they speak three languages! A sure sign of their devilishness.
We're filled with misogynistic sickos.
We stand terrified by Russia, and the media are more than complacent for fear of repression.
We're slaves hypnotized by the Silicon Valley minions.
We're powerless, at the mercy of the pharmaceutic industry.
We are slaves to the Oil corporations and their mobs.

Oh wait. That's your country.

"Seat for myself" mon cul.
Give me a call when you bring back civilization to your land, my friend.
Not to mention a sound adult in charge of it.

[Edited 1/10/18 19:37pm]

[Edited 1/10/18 22:26pm]

coldasice said:

Strive said:

It crossed the line for me in that deleted Ebony(?) interview where he talked about a former employee's life mission was to steal from the vault and release all his music. Conspiracy and thinking a different way isn't that strange. Having a jumbled train of thought and rambling about how people are after you is a whole nother thang.

Come on now that wasn’t paranoia that was most likely meds. He sounded crazy as fuck. I read it before it was retracted and felt so bad for him. I like to think he didn’t remember much of it saw it and had it pulled. It’s funny that you bring that up, looking back...that was the first sign of what was to come.

Susan Rogers said in the BBC story about the vault that she " might need to go in and get those tapes out" Now she may have said it in a joking manner but she did say it.

Prince was responding to her statement. In addition, music was stolen and bootlegged and we are all aware of this. He was not being paranoid he was keeping it real.

Look at how some of the associates have acted since he passed. Look at Lonnie or Patrick Cousins.

He had rats around him and he knew it. I am quite surprised that many of you are still pretending that shady things have not been occuring from the minute he died. We have seen the worst cash grabbing and fraud imaginable. People are hell bent on going against his wishes.

He had contracts in place and he left plans for Paisley. A certain lawyer tried to destroy both those deals almost immediatly. A certain lawyer sold out UMG and company that Dr. Funkenberry states Prince left because he did not like the manner in which they handled his publishing. So let's take away administration of the publishing in house and give it back to a company that Prince was not happy with in the first place.

Yea, he was paranoid for no reason.

most countries are born in violence... It is in the human DNA, people are violent

from homes-families countries nations and continents

PeteSilas said:

this country is violent, was born in violence, it's in this countries dna and I don't think it'll last much longer. However, plenty of other govts operate the same way. Sherman Alexie called governments the biggest serial killers ever, he's right. It's not the common folk who are aching to go fight a govt's wars but that's what we do if they tell us. it isn't just govts though, it's us, we are a violent species. Just look at the things people do when there aren't the civil restraints on them that a peaceful society pretends to have. Problem is, for whatever reason, good, common people still let these assholes run shit.

bonatoc said:

That's right.
One of the first economies of the world is all ridden with mass murders.
At the very heart of our continent lies a country of unbelievable savagery. And they speak three languages! A sure sign of their devilishness.
We're filled with misogynistic sickos.
We stand terrified by Russia, and the media are more than complacent for fear of repression.
We're slaves hypnotized by the Silicon Valley minions.
We're powerless, at the mercy of the pharmaceutic industry.
We are slaves to the Oil corporations and their mobs.

Oh wait. That's your country.

"Seat for myself" mon cul.
Give me a call when you bring back civilization to your land, my friend.
Not to mention a sound adult in charge of it.

[Edited 1/10/18 19:37pm]

[Edited 1/10/18 22:26pm]

cloveringold85 said:

206Michelle said:

I do not like the use of the word "paranoia" to describe Prince because I believe it is an inaccurate description. The words "paranoia" and "paranoid" have connotations of psychiatric illness like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.

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I have an uncle, my father's older brother, who has paranoid schizophrenia. Paranoid schizophrenia is a serious psychiatric disease that has severely affected my uncle's quality of life. My uncle takes medication for his paranoid schizophrenia, and his paranoid schizophrenia is so severe that if he were to be unmedicated, he would have to live in a state psychiatric hospital 24/7/365 because he can exhibit very violent behavior when unmedicated.

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I think that a word or phrase like "unreasonable fear" or "excessively fearful" or "distrustful" would be a better descriptor of Prince than "paranoid." While Prince may have been in serious pain and suffering from an addiction to painkillers during the last months of his life, he was still touring, and by most accounts, presented as mentally sharp and musically brilliant up until his death.

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When I google the word "paranoia" I receive the following definition:

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• a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.

• suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.

  "the global paranoia about hackers and viruses"

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It is also important to remember that Prince had serious attachment/abandonment/trust issues due to instability during his childhood, parental abandonment, and experiencing physical abuse as a child (e.g., the song "Papa"). Furthermore, his only child died as an infant due to complications from Pfeiffer Syndrome Type 2. While Prince had the money to receive top-notch therapy/treatment to help him address these attachment/abandonment/trust issues, the loss of his son, difficulties with his marriages, and other challenges, he generally chose not to seek professional help for these challenges. In spite of the trauma he experienced and challenges he faced, he built a legacy as one of the greatest musicians to ever walk the face of the earth. He had millions of fans.

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He may have had some odd or irrational fears, as many people do, and he certainly had some excentricities, but I don't think he was paranoid.

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He was not paranoid. Going to repost.

n addition, music was stolen and bootlegged and we are all aware of this. He was not being paranoid he was keeping it real.

Look at how some of the associates have acted since he passed. Look at Lonnie or Patrick Cousins.

He had rats around him and he knew it. I am quite surprised that many of you are still pretending that shady things have not been occuring from the minute he died. We have seen the worst cash grabbing and fraud imaginable. People are hell bent on going against his wishes.

He had contracts in place and he left plans for Paisley. A certain lawyer tried to destroy both those deals almost immediatly. A certain lawyer sold out UMG and company that Dr. Funkenberry states Prince left because he did not like the manner in which they handled his publishing. So let's take away administration of the publishing in house and give it back to a company that Prince was not happy with in the first place.