you think that's true? I don't know, a 2000 year old physician don't convince me, but maybe. the chinese have a nice saying "disease enter into the mouth, misfortune issues from it" which i often quote but not for the reason we are discussing.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

autism, alzheimers, cancer all kinds of shit that obviously must be something environmental because the rates are drastically different all over the world. One huge problem is that us americans are pigs, we eat too goddamned much, that's a huge problem.

Not all, but a lot, lol 'we eat to goddam much' totally connected to the gut

PeteSilas said:

you think that's true? I don't know, a 2000 year old physician don't convince me, but maybe. the chinese have a nice saying "disease enter into the mouth, misfortune issues from it" which i often quote but not for the reason we are discussing.

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Not all, but a lot, lol 'we eat to goddam much' totally connected to the gut

PeteSilas said:

you think that's true? I don't know, a 2000 year old physician don't convince me, but maybe. the chinese have a nice saying "disease enter into the mouth, misfortune issues from it" which i often quote but not for the reason we are discussing.

we do eat too much but they say low alzheimers rates in india are linked to the high amounts of hot/spicy foods they eat which does something to the body. I've also heard from a chinese guy, that spicy foods make the stomach more resilient to foods that have bacteria.

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Not all, but a lot, lol 'we eat to goddam much' totally connected to the gut

we do eat too much but they say low alzheimers rates in india are linked to the high amounts of hot/spicy foods they eat which does something to the body. I've also heard from a chinese guy, that spicy foods make the stomach more resilient to foods that have bacteria.

yes, but that is not being a glutton

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Foods and spices etc are good

...we eat too much meat too

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

we do eat too much but they say low alzheimers rates in india are linked to the high amounts of hot/spicy foods they eat which does something to the body. I've also heard from a chinese guy, that spicy foods make the stomach more resilient to foods that have bacteria.

yes, but that is not being a glutton

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Foods and spices etc are good

...we eat too much meat too

way too much meat, i think that may be where some of the alzheimers comes from, and you know what, it's not just too much meat but all the meat products, i don't think i eat that much meat but my cholesterol is high and i don't eat meat every day, i do eat stuff and junk food that does though.

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

yes, but that is not being a glutton

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Foods and spices etc are good

...we eat too much meat too

way too much meat, i think that may be where some of the alzheimers comes from, and you know what, it's not just too much meat but all the meat products, i don't think i eat that much meat but my cholesterol is high and i don't eat meat every day, i do eat stuff and junk food that does though.

I eat smaller portions of meat,

Yes meat products too.

Do you excersive and get good sleep?

illimack said:

But our fucking water (flouride) and food ( Monsanto) is poisoned. Have you checked the latest autism rates? 1 in fucking 36!!!! Prince was not paranoid. He was,what we in the black community refer to as "woke".

Wait what

are you actually being serious on the autism thing lmao

Because last time I checked autism is a developmental disorder and affects people all over the world, not just in America.

The rate of autism being diagnosed is much higher today because it is recognised easier in people these days. It's rumoured that Albert Einstein and many other prolific historic figures were on the spectrum. Our man Prince could quite possibly of been on the spectrum.

I actually personally believe he was high functioning.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

way too much meat, i think that may be where some of the alzheimers comes from, and you know what, it's not just too much meat but all the meat products, i don't think i eat that much meat but my cholesterol is high and i don't eat meat every day, i do eat stuff and junk food that does though.

I eat smaller portions of meat,

Yes meat products too.

Do you excersive and get good sleep?

ya, i probably oversleep a lot, I excercise being an old athlete but it's not enough. even 3or 4 hour workouts or even labor work isn't enough, i struggle with my diet. It started at about 42, the weight just started coming on even though i wasn't eating that much more. I know that a major problem is just getting older plus not cooking and not being able to prepare my own food so I generally live off of a lot of bad stuff, could get away with it a few years ago, can't now. also, here is where poor people really get screwed, the bad food is the cheapest and most filling.

Angelsoncrack said:

illimack said:

But our fucking water (flouride) and food ( Monsanto) is poisoned. Have you checked the latest autism rates? 1 in fucking 36!!!! Prince was not paranoid. He was,what we in the black community refer to as "woke".

Wait what

are you actually being serious on the autism thing lmao

Because last time I checked autism is a developmental disorder and affects people all over the world, not just in America.

The rate of autism being diagnosed is much higher today because it is recognised easier in people these days. It's rumoured that Albert Einstein and many other prolific historic figures were on the spectrum. Our man Prince could quite possibly of been on the spectrum.

I actually personally believe he was high functioning.

i heard someone, actually John Saxon, actor who said autism was linked to not breastfeeding children. I just thought "another kooky old man" old men get wierd, i think that was happening to Prince too.

Angelsoncrack said:

You're just being...paranoid, as usual.

PeteSilas said:

my exp. only, but as a fighter/martial artist, the loss of your ability to think is true but.., you can train to think in that state in fact, i've never been more clear in some of my fights, even ones i've lost, after you go through the panic, their comes clarity but it's something that takes experience so that you can eventually skip over the panic stage. I've never been more focussed than i was in fights/sparring.

Misslink88 said:

Absolutely. Your body is designed for a "moment" of stress, which triggers your flight, fight, flee or freeze response. However, when that happens, your prefrontal cortex shuts down and all the blood pumps into your extremities. You do ALL your thinking/decision making in the prefrontal cortex. So, why do you think the media is constantly overloading your system?

What you're describing is muscle memory, something P had with his playing and dancing, which you have learned to do in a controlled and repetative situation (fights/sparring), therefore, there isn't that FFFF response because you know what situation you are in. As you mentioned, the clarity comes in when you're in the ring and you're responding to things in the moment. The average person isn't trained in any of this and I'm sure you'll agree, this is not a state you can live in or sustain 24/7. The masses are trained in a variety of other things....start with their obsession with their cell phones and you'll see what else is on the list.

2045RadicalMattZ said:

The kinds of "chemtrails" mentioned here by the guy seeing criss cross patterns are real. It's called cloud seeding and has been resumed in SoCal (where'd I'm at) for several years now. Apparently the efforts before ended in the early 80's but there's a desperate concern for making more rainfall out here (*instead of distillation plants which would offend rich neighbors everywhere) I've had people deny them while they were looking at them. They ARE a cause for concern because the substance of them is never truly given an open audience Ruth the public. You can Google search cloudseeding California and you'll get tiny reports about acknowledgements. But until there is a public disclosure of flight plans and "do not be alarmed" memos, one can't say for certain whether they're even "immunizing" or poisoning the public. Most people i know who have a certain amount of money, don't even recognize that it's happening cause they stay in modified air sources all day. Home, office, car. They truly have no idea of the sky above. And though it IS happening. ..what agency is responsible? Why is there no transparency in any of this? It's a fucking public matter? [Edited 1/2/18 18:42pm]

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I'm in SoCal too and I see the trails in the sky. You won't see them for a while, then BOOM....they are all over the damn place!

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I lived in South Florida too, and it happens there too......all over; the Northeast, Southwest......you can watch the video's on YouTube.....some guy filmed in AZ, and by the end of the day, the sun was completely covered up with all the trails (chemtrails) or whatever they were. I don't know what they are putting in the air, but it's not normal.

rogifan said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

The kinds of "chemtrails" mentioned here by the guy seeing criss cross patterns are real. It's called cloud seeding and has been resumed in SoCal (where'd I'm at) for several years now. Apparently the efforts before ended in the early 80's but there's a desperate concern for making more rainfall out here (*instead of distillation plants which would offend rich neighbors everywhere) I've had people deny them while they were looking at them. They ARE a cause for concern because the substance of them is never truly given an open audience Ruth the public. You can Google search cloudseeding California and you'll get tiny reports about acknowledgements. But until there is a public disclosure of flight plans and "do not be alarmed" memos, one can't say for certain whether they're even "immunizing" or poisoning the public. Most people i know who have a certain amount of money, don't even recognize that it's happening cause they stay in modified air sources all day. Home, office, car. They truly have no idea of the sky above. And though it IS happening. ..what agency is responsible? Why is there no transparency in any of this? It's a fucking public matter? [Edited 1/2/18 18:42pm]

I saw this in Palm Springs last year. It would be perfectly clear blue sky and then all of a sudden the sky is full of these criss cross patterns of contrails. It’s definitely different than a commercial jet plane.

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^^^^ ^^^^

illimack said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

The kinds of "chemtrails" mentioned here by the guy seeing criss cross patterns are real. It's called cloud seeding and has been resumed in SoCal (where'd I'm at) for several years now. Apparently the efforts before ended in the early 80's but there's a desperate concern for making more rainfall out here (*instead of distillation plants which would offend rich neighbors everywhere) I've had people deny them while they were looking at them. They ARE a cause for concern because the substance of them is never truly given an open audience Ruth the public. You can Google search cloudseeding California and you'll get tiny reports about acknowledgements. But until there is a public disclosure of flight plans and "do not be alarmed" memos, one can't say for certain whether they're even "immunizing" or poisoning the public. Most people i know who have a certain amount of money, don't even recognize that it's happening cause they stay in modified air sources all day. Home, office, car. They truly have no idea of the sky above. And though it IS happening. ..what agency is responsible? Why is there no transparency in any of this? It's a fucking public matter? [Edited 1/2/18 18:42pm]

Right! I see the fucking things nearly every morning over my job. I work very close to an airport. There are planes flying over me every 5 minutes. The chemtrail planes are only early morning. The sky,higher up than the regular planes,looks like a fucking tic tac toe game early morning. The plane is not coming from or going to the nearby airport. I don't know what the fuck they're spraying but it's doing something! People that believe the American government gives a fuck about us crack me up. Lol. And yes.....I'm a black person.

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I see the same thing you just described. It's jets flying very high up spraying in a back-and-forth pattern until there are dozens of lines up in the sky and they linger for hours on-end. Geo-engineering. Cloud seeding. Messing with mother nature & weather patterns.

bonatoc said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Very true! We are living in the age of misinformation.

Oh my. What the hell are you blabbering about. We've never been so informed.

You said "there is too much going on". That's precisely the result of massive, non-stop information.
You seem to find solace in thinking your government is after you. Well, if it helps...

Except the clown you have for POTUS is actually under investigation,
except we found out about Russia and FB,
except we know about Panama and Paradise Papers...
These are very important things.
Journalists get killed for it, as environmental activists, this is no secret at all.

The world seems like a mess precisely because we know so much nowadays. A secret is never kept for long.
Someone always ends up talking. And there are plenty of platforms to talk on.

As for chemtrails, I feel sorry for you. But I know, now we know about everything that makes the world chaotic,
it feels more comfortable to have an invisible enemy to put the blame to.
Oh wait, I just described paranoia.

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Not true! The media distorts the truth all the time! We are living in the age of misinformation and disinformation. The media is run by the U.S. Government, which tells LIES all the time! They make mistakes all the time and give FAKE NEWS. Just ask Donald.

illimack said:

But our fucking water (flouride) and food ( Monsanto) is poisoned. Have you checked the latest autism rates? 1 in fucking 36!!!! Prince was not paranoid. He was,what we in the black community refer to as "woke".

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Just look at Flint, MI. Look at the drug crisis, look at the rate of poverty, our food being poisoned, GMOs, politicians cozying-up with big pharma, lack of good education for ALL citizens, no matter your race or income.......it goes on and on. Our government has the power to do something about it, but they just sit back on their lazy asses and don't do diddly squat!!

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I'm glad we are having this discussion and being 'woke'. Because of PRINCE, we are talking about this, finally.

PeteSilas said:

udo said:

Re: Can we talk about...

Can we discuss one's ignorance instead?

One needs to be sceptic about anything a government tells you. They work for you so have them back things up by, if possible independent, information.

See JFK.

See 9/11.

See ISIS.

See Iraq.

See Chadaffi's Libya

See Cuba and now the expanded EU

Etc, etc, etc.

i'm with you man, i've looked up a ton of shit, recently i was trying to see if jonestown was a cia experiment, it really doesn't look like it. JFK? that happened so long ago that we'll never know because whatever leftover evidence has been handled by a million people and most of the witnesses are dead. I spent hours a few months ago trying to get to the bottom of the JFK assasination and all i did was go round and round (kinda like we have been with Prince's death) there are so many "experts" and so many loons who point out this inconsistency or that inconsistency. I finally just had to give up but if I had to choose, I'd say Oswald acted alone, just a loser who wanted to make a name for himself, that simple.

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Good points. We could talk about this all day. The doctor (have to look up his name) who was close to find the cure to Cancer, was found shot dead. Unfortunately, with Prince and all this other stuff......we keep going round and round only to end up hitting a brick wall again.

Misslink88 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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That is true. Look at Asia for instance; all sorts of problems there and it's so over-populated.

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I think people in general do not care about the world or what the future holds.

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If you really think about all the problems in the world, it's enough to make you paranoid. I think the media is nothing more than fear mongers. You see the news headlines and it's just depressing.

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Like Prince said: As humans, were are not equipped to deal with all the problems of the world and what we see on CNN. It's just too much information overload.

Absolutely. Your body is designed for a "moment" of stress, which triggers your flight, fight, flee or freeze response. However, when that happens, your prefrontal cortex shuts down and all the blood pumps into your extremities. You do ALL your thinking/decision making in the prefrontal cortex. So, why do you think the media is constantly overloading your system?

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Exactly!! They are trying to desensitize us, LOL

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Not all, but a lot, lol 'we eat to goddam much' totally connected to the gut

we do eat too much but they say low alzheimers rates in india are linked to the high amounts of hot/spicy foods they eat which does something to the body. I've also heard from a chinese guy, that spicy foods make the stomach more resilient to foods that have bacteria.

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In America, it's not so much that we are eating too much food, it's "what" food. American's eat too much saturated fats and sugar, which is the cause for heart disease, obesity and diabetes. Look at the countries with the healtiest population and look at their diets. I love the Mediterranean diet which consists of high Omega-3, fruits and vegetables and low carbs. We all need some carbs, so I don't follow the no-carb diet.

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Some spice in your food is good, but not too much so that you get ulcers.

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Okay, we went from Prince's paranoia to food, LOL

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Well, Prince was mostly vegetarian and was careful of what he ate. He loved curry, and now I eat more curry!

cloveringold85 said:

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Not true! The media distorts the truth all the time! We are living in the age of misinformation and disinformation.
The media is run by the U.S. Government, which tells LIES all the time!
They make mistakes all the time and give FAKE NEWS. Just ask Donald.

I suggest a rapid subscription to The Guardian.
Or Axios. Or the BBC, Politico, The Atlantic, The Washington Post...
Keeping on being misinformed in this age and era is your fault, not the "media".
Proper ethical journalism is just a click away. You have left-wing and right-wing suggestions above, if flavour matters to you.

Ask Donald? Surely you meant the duck.
This way of referencing Trump by his first name is highly suspicious,
and does not bode well of your capacity to separate right from wrong. Or true from false.
Unless you were joking. Unfortunately, Donald doesn't make me laugh anymore.

[Edited 1/3/18 16:10pm]

wouldn't doubt it but i know for a fact if i just ate a 1/3 of the crap i eat i'd live and i'd be healthier.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

we do eat too much but they say low alzheimers rates in india are linked to the high amounts of hot/spicy foods they eat which does something to the body. I've also heard from a chinese guy, that spicy foods make the stomach more resilient to foods that have bacteria.

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In America, it's not so much that we are eating too much food, it's "what" food. American's eat too much saturated fats and sugar, which is the cause for heart disease, obesity and diabetes. Look at the countries with the healtiest population and look at their diets. I love the Mediterranean diet which consists of high Omega-3, fruits and vegetables and low carbs. We all need some carbs, so I don't follow the no-carb diet.

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Some spice in your food is good, but not too much so that you get ulcers.

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Okay, we went from Prince's paranoia to food, LOL

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Well, Prince was mostly vegetarian and was careful of what he ate. He loved curry, and now I eat more curry!

bonatoc said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Not true! The media distorts the truth all the time! We are living in the age of misinformation and disinformation.
The media is run by the U.S. Government, which tells LIES all the time!
They make mistakes all the time and give FAKE NEWS. Just ask Donald.

I suggest a rapid subscription to The Guardian.
Or Axios. Or the BBC, Politico, The Atlantic, The Washington Post...
Keeping on being misinformed in this age and era is your fault, not the "media".
Proper ethical journalism is just a click away. You have left-wing and right-wing suggestions above, if flavour matters to you.

Ask Donald? Surely you meant the duck.
This way of referencing Trump by his first name is highly suspicious,
and does not bode well of your capacity to separate right from wrong. Or true from false.
Unless you were joking. Unfortunately, Donald doesn't make me laugh anymore.

[Edited 1/3/18 16:10pm]

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I didn't say I, myself am misinformed, but most people are because they believe everything the media tells them, no matter who it comes from. Remember when Wolf Blitzer said "Purple Haze".

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Trump is widely known as "The Donald", that goes back to the 80s when he was taking over NYC.

PeteSilas said:

wouldn't doubt it but i know for a fact if i just ate a 1/3 of the crap i eat i'd live and i'd be healthier.

cloveringold85 said:

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In America, it's not so much that we are eating too much food, it's "what" food. American's eat too much saturated fats and sugar, which is the cause for heart disease, obesity and diabetes. Look at the countries with the healtiest population and look at their diets. I love the Mediterranean diet which consists of high Omega-3, fruits and vegetables and low carbs. We all need some carbs, so I don't follow the no-carb diet.

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Some spice in your food is good, but not too much so that you get ulcers.

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Okay, we went from Prince's paranoia to food, LOL

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Well, Prince was mostly vegetarian and was careful of what he ate. He loved curry, and now I eat more curry!

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I lost 40 LBS just by cutting out bad foods, and I wasn't really exercising that much either; just going for 30 minute walks, swimming, biking, etc. You would be surprised how much weight comes off when you stop eating junk food. It's all in moderation. It's about balance. I feel my best when I eat high proteins. I eat egg whites instead of regular eggs, but I will have a slice of cheese with it and season it up a bit or add some curry powder, which is delicious. Okay, food is a whole other topic I can talk about, LOL

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

we do eat too much but they say low alzheimers rates in india are linked to the high amounts of hot/spicy foods they eat which does something to the body. I've also heard from a chinese guy, that spicy foods make the stomach more resilient to foods that have bacteria.

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In America, it's not so much that we are eating too much food, it's "what" food. American's eat too much saturated fats and sugar, which is the cause for heart disease, obesity and diabetes. Look at the countries with the healtiest population and look at their diets. I love the Mediterranean diet which consists of high Omega-3, fruits and vegetables and low carbs. We all need some carbs, so I don't follow the no-carb diet.

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Some spice in your food is good, but not too much so that you get ulcers.

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Okay, we went from Prince's paranoia to food, LOL

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Well, Prince was mostly vegetarian and was careful of what he ate. He loved curry, and now I eat more curry!

well, lets kill two birds with one stone, i think he may have thought he was being poisoned, i do know other people thought that.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

wouldn't doubt it but i know for a fact if i just ate a 1/3 of the crap i eat i'd live and i'd be healthier.

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I lost 40 LBS just by cutting out bad foods, and I wasn't really exercising that much either; just going for 30 minute walks, swimming, biking, etc. You would be surprised how much weight comes off when you stop eating junk food. It's all in moderation. It's about balance. I feel my best when I eat high proteins. I eat egg whites instead of regular eggs, but I will have a slice of cheese with it and season it up a bit or add some curry powder, which is delicious. Okay, food is a whole other topic I can talk about, LOL

i really should stop making excuses, i just eat too damned much, right now i'm pigging out. i used to be able to do this and i'd be literally 70 pounds lighter, I can't do it anymore. I have a problem.

cloveringold85 said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

The kinds of "chemtrails" mentioned here by the guy seeing criss cross patterns are real. It's called cloud seeding and has been resumed in SoCal (where'd I'm at) for several years now. Apparently the efforts before ended in the early 80's but there's a desperate concern for making more rainfall out here (*instead of distillation plants which would offend rich neighbors everywhere) I've had people deny them while they were looking at them. They ARE a cause for concern because the substance of them is never truly given an open audience Ruth the public. You can Google search cloudseeding California and you'll get tiny reports about acknowledgements. But until there is a public disclosure of flight plans and "do not be alarmed" memos, one can't say for certain whether they're even "immunizing" or poisoning the public. Most people i know who have a certain amount of money, don't even recognize that it's happening cause they stay in modified air sources all day. Home, office, car. They truly have no idea of the sky above. And though it IS happening. ..what agency is responsible? Why is there no transparency in any of this? It's a fucking public matter? [Edited 1/2/18 18:42pm]

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I'm in SoCal too and I see the trails in the sky. You won't see them for a while, then BOOM....they are all over the damn place!

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I lived in South Florida too, and it happens there too......all over; the Northeast, Southwest......you can watch the video's on YouTube.....some guy filmed in AZ, and by the end of the day, the sun was completely covered up with all the trails (chemtrails) or whatever they were. I don't know what they are putting in the air, but it's not normal.

It is normal.

You realize that all of the places you named are near very busy airport hubs - Miami, New York, Boston, Los Angeles (along with Ontario and San Diego), Phoenix. More airplanes = more contrails. And the reason you see them sometimes and not at others (as many have already explained) is because of the condition of the atmosphere - temperature, humidity, etc. And again - what's going into the air is water vapor.

There is nothing nefarious going on.

Guys, if chemtrails were real then someone, somewhere reputable would have checked up on them and found substance to the claim. I will never have enough time to read and fact check the 40 poorly written articles you have from conspiracy websites about your own favourite pet conspiracy because the next poster will have 40 more about their own one and so on and so on.

There are plenty of problems with mainstream publications but news does eventually leakout beyond wordpress sites if there's any substance to it. Here in Ireland we've had actual cases where something fairly big happens that isn't reported by a single mainstream news source due to pressure from the rich and powerful people here but, since it was newsworthy, it was covered in UK newspapers and it got out in the end. Newspapers love a good scandal (all those clicks! all that ad revenue!).

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illimack said:

Angelsoncrack said:

Wait what

are you actually being serious on the autism thing lmao

Because last time I checked autism is a developmental disorder and affects people all over the world, not just in America.

The rate of autism being diagnosed is much higher today because it is recognised easier in people these days. It's rumoured that Albert Einstein and many other prolific historic figures were on the spectrum. Our man Prince could quite possibly of been on the spectrum.

I actually personally believe he was high functioning.

Yeah.....cause 1 in 36 adults are walking around disbled. GTF outta here. Flouride is a fucking poison. Monsanto is fucking banned in other countries. Girls ovaries are shutting down from Gardasil. Japan fucking removed it and there's a class action suit in columbia. In the good old US of A,which is run by pharmaceutical companies, it's business as usual. People are so ducking blind. Smdh

Are you honestly kidding? Funny thing you should say that, seen as you know, I'm actually autistic myself and don't class myself as being overly disabled. Most cases of autism are high functioning like myself. We can work. We can function in daily life.

And it is not caused by flouride, you know why? Because I live in the UK where flouride is not in our tap water lmao. I also don't take any medication for autism, because nothing exists to 'cure' it (and not that it should for that matter). So no darn pharmacutical company is taking my money.

I'm not arguing against the fact that addatives to water can be a bad thing, I'm actually quite happy that the UK does not include flouride in its tap water. I might not have the pearliest teeth but I'm glad I'm not putting unnecessary chemicals in my body. I'm just saying you're absolutely crazy if you think autism which is a neurodivergent disorder is caused by chemicals in water.